Whats more important? Diet, dedication or money

[nzwasp]

So I go to anytime fitness and I just started a 4 day split weights program a couple of weeks ago. I noticed that the gym didn't have a couple of the leg machines that the program required (its mostly free weights, except for legs). Anyway I asked the admin person who didn't know anything and directed me to a PT.

The PT suggested I come in for a "free" consultation with him, I was a bit hesitant because I just wanted to know which exercise I should use instead. Anyway I met him yesterday, he measured my body fat,waist measurement, height and weight and then asked me my goals.

My goals are pretty modest - currently 213 I'd like to be 200 or less in 3 months - I think with diet and dedication to a plan its quite achievable, I am already down from 218 to 213 within 5 weeks.

Anyway then the PT asks me what my budget is and if I can work with him 3 times a week, I immediately say that I can work independently to a plan to which he says that I wont achieve my goals unless I spend upwards of 700$ per month with him. This totally turned me off to the whole PT thing because I don't think throwing money at a solution provides a result, I'm sure it can but in my situation it doesn't.

Does beyond think that diet and dedication is enough to succeed in your fitness goals or do you need to spend that much money to lose 10 pounds.

[msommers]

That PT needs to be punched in the face. Consistent training and dieting. Done.

What leg exercises did the program call for?

[2Legit2Quit]

Lulz, of course having a personal trainer can/will help but if you're looking to drop weight then diet is going to be the bigger part of the matter opposed to dropping $700 on this guy. If you work out 4 days a week and still eat lots of fast food/sugar/high carb intake then the weight isn't just going to shed away.

10 lbs is not that much depending on how hard you're willing to work.

[Sasuke_Kensai]

Well, a PT would probably keep you accountable and push you, and might teach you something.

On the other hand, people on here can point you to a good routine. And by doing research yourself, you might learn even more of the root basics (rather than mindlessly following a program) which can translate into even better routines later. You can tell Beyond or a friend about your goal, and that'll help keep you accountable. $700 sounds extreme for the goal you're trying to achieve, especially if it's the first bit of weight you're trying to trim - changes tend to happen more easily in the beginning.

[nzwasp]

Yes and especially considering my budget was 0$. Not sure why this guy tried to discuss money etc upfront, I think I prefer people that establish a relationship first before trying it on.

Anyway I follow reddit.com/r/fitness quite a bit and picked up a 4 day split program from there, I looked at the stronglifts program but would prefer proper instruction on how to do a deadlift etc. Whereas the weights program im on now is bicep curls, incline bench, bench, tricep pushdowns, lat pulldowns - lots of things I'm familiar with.

The leg machine they didn't have was a lateral leg raise machine - the exercise he gave me instead was using a swiss ball - of course i'd prefer something I can incorporate weights with.

2Legit2Quit: I havent eaten fast food for 3 weeks, no sugar for 2 weeks, and I seldom eat a tonne of carbs.

[Tik-Tok]

Every time I join a gym, I get a "free consult" with a PT... I have yet to actually take them up on that for this reason.

[JfuckinC]

lol fuck that guy... that's such a stupid thing for him to say, he doesn't know your commitment/potential.

Don't get me wrong, PT's have value of course, but if you're already there putting in the effort, and will continualy put in the effort you'll do fine. You just need a kind soul to advise you on big lifts like deadlifts.


Originally posted by Tik-Tok
Every time I join a gym, I get a "free consult" with a PT... I have yet to actually take them up on that for this reason.

The free consult isn't a bad thing to be honest haha.. it's part of a sales scheme ya, but it's nice to know where you're starting.

[austic]

Diet, Exercise and Dedication... Plain and simple. I lost 65lbs in just over a year doing that alone.

For legs, learn to Squat.

[A790]

Originally posted by nzwasp
So I go to anytime fitness and I just started a 4 day split weights program a couple of weeks ago. I noticed that the gym didn't have a couple of the leg machines that the program required (its mostly free weights, except for legs). Anyway I asked the admin person who didn't know anything and directed me to a PT.

The PT suggested I come in for a "free" consultation with him, I was a bit hesitant because I just wanted to know which exercise I should use instead. Anyway I met him yesterday, he measured my body fat,waist measurement, height and weight and then asked me my goals.

My goals are pretty modest - currently 213 I'd like to be 200 or less in 3 months - I think with diet and dedication to a plan its quite achievable, I am already down from 218 to 213 within 5 weeks.

Anyway then the PT asks me what my budget is and if I can work with him 3 times a week, I immediately say that I can work independently to a plan to which he says that I wont achieve my goals unless I spend upwards of 700$ per month with him. This totally turned me off to the whole PT thing because I don't think throwing money at a solution provides a result, I'm sure it can but in my situation it doesn't.

Does beyond think that diet and dedication is enough to succeed in your fitness goals or do you need to spend that much money to lose 10 pounds.
13lbs in 3 months is easy dude. Get your diet in check, learn how to do the big lifts and hit the gym, and have fun.

[Lex350]

Balance of diet and training. You don't even have to train at a gym. Any trainer worth his salt can put you in pain without making you lift a wait. Sounds like a money grab.

I used a trainer at Fitness North West and it was a great experience. I'm now at Edgemont club and their trainers are shit. I rarely see them pushing people and the consultation was all about getting me signed up (money) and not my goals.

[max_boost]

Eat nothing but steamed seafood, chicken breast and vegetables for the next 3months. Get some fiber in there, metamucil or benefiber so you can shit properly. Stay away from simple carbs. Give yourself 1 cheat day a week but don't go crazy.

Cardio and weight lifting is optional.

Watch the weight fall off, thank me later.

:D :D :D

[bleu]

Diet is pretty much everything. Cardio and muscle building accelerates the process. My BF is a certified personal trainer. He has really revamped my eating habits and both of us have been eating really healthy and looking at portion sizes. I am noticing a big difference in body image, how quickly I recover from stress, how I deal with stress and just overall energy.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by max_boost
Eat nothing but steamed seafood, chicken breast and vegetables for the next 3months. Get some fiber in there, metamucil or benefiber so you can shit properly. Stay away from simple carbs. Give yourself 1 cheat day a week but don't go crazy.

Cardio and weight lifting is optional.

Watch the weight fall off, thank me later.

:D :D :D

:thumbsup: except for cardio being optional. You don't want to be the guy that looks good but can't keep up with the ladies.

I actually know people that have this dilemma. It's pretty funny. :rofl:

For me, diet and actually learning proper technique helped the most.

[bigbadboss101]

If the goal is to lose a bit of weight, you don't need a PT. Easy clean, get exercise, sleep well and it will happen. A PT will help you with your form, learn some new exercise, and push you a bit. Anytime Fitness has nice cardio machines. Free weights area is small IMO, at least in the Creekside location.

[wintonyk]

this is the biggest issue with most personal trainers. Not all though, don't blanket it. Most chain gyms like good life, golds, WHC, etc. the trainers make their bucks on selling $2500 bucks worth of training etc. for most people this is an unrealistic amount of money to spend working out.

I used to work for a company called Simply for Life. The founder of the company was a former body builder who straightened shit out to be healthy. When in London he had to do one of these complimentary sessions to use the free week trial. The trainer told him he needed to lose 50 lbs. This is a guy with body fat of around 12%. The trainer was only looking at BMI.

Besides most trainers in this city only have the weekend warrior can fit-pro. My biggest suggestion for anyone considering a trainer is look for Kines PT's and people with university certs or NSCA.

I get told by trainers what my goals should be, when its you that should establish your goals.

[Feruk]

You wanna drop 13 pounds in 12 weeks? I lost about 18 in that time period last year. Same weights (213 to 195). You don't need a PT. Heck, you don't even need to do any sort of crazy dieting. Here is all I did, and it worked wonders for me:
1) Mon/Wed: One hour of intensive boot camp type class (mix of LIGHT weights for toning and cardio but constantly on the go, few breaks). I took a class, but you can easily replicate the effects off most "intense boot camp" videos on Youtube I'm sure.
2) Tue/Thu: Running. Not elliptical, not treadmill, none of that BS. Get your body outside and run 30-45 minutes STRAIGHT, no breaks. Hard to start, but easy within a few weeks.
3) NO processed food for dinner. Only allowed to eat stuff you make from scratch. Doesn't really matter if it's chicken, beef, or whatever type of meat. Veggies/fruits daily, some dairy's alright. I didn't really eat potatoes or pasta (not a big fan), but I had rice when I felt like it with my meat. Cut your lunch portion by ~1/3. NO beer during the week (Sun-Thu). Just stay away from the processed shit and eating out during the week
4) Fri/Sat: Whatever the heck you feel like, I drank like a fish usually once a week and didn't eat too great. It was my break time.

If your goal is STRICTLY to lose weight, as much cardio as possible will get your metabolism burning like nothing else. Get that going, and your dieting restrictions don't have to be as intense as people have suggested because your body is burning calories in overdrive between workouts!

I made no mention of weight training. Lifting weights is great, but if your goal is straight weight loss, you're wasting time on weights that's better spent on cardio. A little bit of weight training with light weights and a lot of reps is great, but weight lifting is a waste of time for weight loss IMO. It helps, but most people I know who speak highly of it for weight loss only do so because they're too lazy to do a lot of cardio.

[scboss]

Originally posted by wintonyk
this is the biggest issue with most personal trainers. Not all though, don't blanket it. Most chain gyms like good life, golds, WHC, etc. the trainers make their bucks on selling $2500 bucks worth of training etc. for most people this is an unrealistic amount of money to spend working out.

I used to work for a company called Simply for Life. The founder of the company was a former body builder who straightened shit out to be healthy. When in London he had to do one of these complimentary sessions to use the free week trial. The trainer told him he needed to lose 50 lbs. This is a guy with body fat of around 12%. The trainer was only looking at BMI.

Besides most trainers in this city only have the weekend warrior can fit-pro. My biggest suggestion for anyone considering a trainer is look for Kines PT's and people with university certs or NSCA.

I get told by trainers what my goals should be, when its you that should establish your goals.

The industry I work in has such a bad rep from can-fit pro guys. I think its pretty sad when I see some of the stuff they say/do.

The reasons to get a trainer
- You are unsure how to reach your goals
- You dont know how to lift
- You are a machine warrior
- The biggest reason (in a health club) Accountability

I would say your goal is very generic and to be honest you should re-think it. Every single person that comes to see me either wants to lose weight or gain weight unless its a special circumstance (sport specific).

The people who think this way usually fail during or directly after hitting there goal. Im not saying its a bad goal but you should have many goals to keep you motivated on a daily basis.

Weight loss is easy tho its basically calories in vs calories out
3500 calories=1lb of fat

[scboss]

Originally posted by Feruk
You wanna drop 13 pounds in 12 weeks? I lost about 18 in that time period last year. Same weights (213 to 195). You don't need a PT. Heck, you don't even need to do any sort of crazy dieting. Here is all I did, and it worked wonders for me:
1) Mon/Wed: One hour of intensive boot camp type class (mix of LIGHT weights for toning and cardio but constantly on the go, few breaks). I took a class, but you can easily replicate the effects off most "intense boot camp" videos on Youtube I'm sure.
2) Tue/Thu: Running. Not elliptical, not treadmill, none of that BS. Get your body outside and run 30-45 minutes STRAIGHT, no breaks. Hard to start, but easy within a few weeks.
3) NO processed food for dinner. Only allowed to eat stuff you make from scratch. Doesn't really matter if it's chicken, beef, or whatever type of meat. Veggies/fruits daily, some dairy's alright. I didn't really eat potatoes or pasta (not a big fan), but I had rice when I felt like it with my meat. Cut your lunch portion by ~1/3. NO beer during the week (Sun-Thu). Just stay away from the processed shit and eating out during the week
4) Fri/Sat: Whatever the heck you feel like, I drank like a fish usually once a week and didn't eat too great. It was my break time.

If your goal is STRICTLY to lose weight, as much cardio as possible will get your metabolism burning like nothing else. Get that going, and your dieting restrictions don't have to be as intense as people have suggested because your body is burning calories in overdrive between workouts!

I made no mention of weight training. Lifting weights is great, but if your goal is straight weight loss, you're wasting time on weights that's better spent on cardio. A little bit of weight training with light weights and a lot of reps is great, but weight lifting is a waste of time for weight loss IMO. It helps, but most people I know who speak highly of it for weight loss only do so because they're too lazy to do a lot of cardio.

When it comes to weight loss I believe weight training makes it way easier. The more muscle you have the higher your metabolic rate, the higher your metabolic rate the more calories you burn doing nothing.

Losing fat is awesome but if you got no muscle underneath then what are you aiming for. Do you only care about the number or how you look?

[JAYMEZ]

Holy shit.. Who the hell is this PT thats chargeing 700 a month LOL???

[scboss]

Originally posted by JAYMEZ
Holy shit.. Who the hell is this PT thats chargeing 700 a month LOL???

Haha I think it all depends on how many time a month you are seeing him. If someone saw me 5 days a week it would be over 1k for one month. Gym takes a massive cut

[nzwasp]

I think he said 3 times a week - 12 times a month - not sure what the average PT through gym charges, I estimated $700. I would think it would be atleast 500$

[BrknFngrs]

I definitely feel bad for the good personal trainers as there a lot of “trainers” with no real knowledge that give everyone else a bad name.

I had a similar issue with a trainer at my gym. We scheduled the complimentary session and she told me to make sure that I ate well, was well hydrated, etc prior to the session so that we could get a good workout in (we discussed my goals in advance) When we get to the “workout”; it’s pretty much a 25 minute walk around the gym with her checking my form on some of the common free weight exercises and telling me that my form looks great and she has no comments (which I’m pretty sure is incorrect on at least some of the more complex motions)

After this pointless “workout” where she tells me I’m doing everything great and she has no comments, she proceeds to suggest that we schedule training for 3 times a week for 6 months. Maybe it’s just me, but I consider the complimentary session basically an interview and I’m expecting to be impressed by a trainer or at least leave feeling they have insight that is valuable.

[nzwasp]

Thats pretty much what happened the first session to me - the 2nd part of the consultation in a couple of days I expect will be him trying to further show me that I need his help. Or atleast thats what it felt like in the first part - pretty much like you're pretty useless at burpees etc if you dont use my help in 3 months you are still going to be useless at burpees.

My goals weren't to be good at burpees though.

Im not buying what hes selling.

[lint]

Originally posted by warcaster
When it comes to weight loss I believe weight training makes it way easier. The more muscle you have the higher your metabolic rate, the higher your metabolic rate the more calories you burn doing nothing.


Let's work out some of the math

1lb of muscle burns ~ 6 cals/day
1lb of fat burns ~ 2 cals/day
difference ~ 4 cal/day


BW BF% FM FC LM LC Cals
200 0.25 50 100 150 900 1000
200 0.2 40 80 160 960 1040
200 0.15 30 60 170 1020 1080
200 0.1 20 40 180 1080 1120
200 0.05 10 20 190 1140 1160


BW = body weight
BF% = body fat percentage (as a decimal)
FM = fat mass
FC = fat calories
LM = lean mass
LC = lean calories
Cals = total cals

The difference between a guy who is 25%BF (150lbs of lean mass) and 10%BF (180lbs lean mass) or ~30lbs of muscle is only 120 cals/day! You smell a jelly donut and you've made up the difference!

[scboss]

Why feel bad for the good trainers? We are all commission at our jobs for the most part, so if you come across as a duchebag and you never sell anything you will fail hard.

Btw if you want to lose weight it comes down to cardio, eating, sleep and muscular endurance. So in general what you should be doing is
Base strength phase (2-3 weeks)
- learn the main lifts, get that solid base, stay injury free
Bodybuilding phase (2-3 weeks)
- increase lean body mass, increase metabolism
Muscular endurance (4-6 weeks)
- almost all bodyweight stuff, circuit work, try to go long periods with no breaks

This is the gameplan I use for almost all clients that only care about weightloss. It works extremely well paired with good eating habits and consistent cardio

[scboss]

Originally posted by lint


Let's work out some of the math

1lb of muscle burns ~ 6 cals/day
1lb of fat burns ~ 2 cals/day
difference ~ 4 cal/day


BW BF% FM FC LM LC Cals
200 0.25 50 100 150 900 1000
200 0.2 40 80 160 960 1040
200 0.15 30 60 170 1020 1080
200 0.1 20 40 180 1080 1120
200 0.05 10 20 190 1140 1160


BW = body weight
BF% = body fat percentage (as a decimal)
FM = fat mass
FC = fat calories
LM = lean mass
LC = lean calories
Cals = total cals

The difference between a guy who is 25%BF (150lbs of lean mass) and 10%BF (180lbs lean mass) or ~30lbs of muscle is only 120 cals/day! You smell a jelly donut and you've made up the difference!

The biggest difference is that you will have burned alot more calories during your training. When I use to do crossfit I literally burned 740 calories (according to my hr monitor) in 1 hour. This I why I could eat 3000-4000 calories plus a day and not gain a pound.
If you can lose the weight all by cardio and eating by all means do it. It just really sucks limiting what you can eat. I'd rather train hard and always be eating

[lint]

Originally posted by warcaster
The biggest difference is that you will have burned alot more calories during your training. When I use to do crossfit I literally burned 740 calories (according to my hr monitor) in 1 hour. This I why I could eat 3000-4000 calories plus a day and not gain a pound.
If you can lose the weight all by cardio and eating by all means do it. It just really sucks limiting what you can eat. I'd rather train hard and always be eating

Now you're just changing your story. You went from calories burned doing nothing to calories burned crossfitting for an hr.

[scboss]

Originally posted by lint


Now you're just changing your story. You went from calories burned doing nothing to calories burned crossfitting for an hr.

I was just giving an example. Increasing your LBM over time will give you alot bigger deficiet then you think. Last September my BMR was 1732 calories and now its 2246. My body now burns an extra 500 calories just to run per day.

[CapnCrunch]

Originally posted by austic


For legs, learn to Squat.

+1. You don't need machines for legs.

[lint]

Originally posted by warcaster
I was just giving an example. Increasing your LBM over time will give you alot bigger deficiet then you think. Last September my BMR was 1732 calories and now its 2246. My body now burns an extra 500 calories just to run per day.

Show me the marth. As stated above in my example:
- 1lb of muscle burns ~ 6 cals/day
- 1lb of fat burns ~ 2 cals/day
- difference ~ 4 cal/day

adding 30lbs of lean mass and losing 30lbs of fat mass for a 200lb man nets him 120cals/day.

how will the increase in lbm give him aiot bigger deficeit that I think?

[scboss]

I'm assuming only adding weight and then doing the cut not switching lbm with fat. You will lose fat regardless but I wasn't saying switching 30 for 30

The most basic way to find your bmr is

BMR Calculation for Men: 66 + (6.23 × weight in pounds) + (12.7 × height in inches) – (6.76 × age in years)

Then depending on how much you exercise
Amount of Exercise Daily Calories Needed
Little to no exercise BMR x 1.2
Light exercise (1 to 3 days per week) BMR x1.375
Moderate exercise (3 to 5 days per week) BMR x 1.55
Heavy exercise (6 to 7 days per week) BMR x 1.725
Very heavy exercise (intense workouts twice per day) BMR x 1.9

This is the way I was taught anyways

[lint]

Originally posted by lint

Originally posted by warcaster
I was just giving an example. Increasing your LBM over time will give you alot bigger deficiet then you think. Last September my BMR was 1732 calories and now its 2246. My body now burns an extra 500 calories just to run per day.

Show me the marth. As stated above in my example:
- 1lb of muscle burns ~ 6 cals/day
- 1lb of fat burns ~ 2 cals/day
- difference ~ 4 cal/day

adding 30lbs of lean mass and losing 30lbs of fat mass for a 200lb man nets him 120cals/day.

how will the increase in lbm give him aiot bigger deficeit that I think?
You implied in the quote above that your BMR went up by 500cals/day BECAUSE of increase in LBM. That's what I was referring to when I said show me the marth. Because based on the calcs, increasing LBM does NOT significantly boost your metabolic rate.

Originally posted by warcaster
I'm assuming only adding weight and then doing the cut not switching lbm with fat. You will lose fat regardless but I wasn't saying switching 30 for 30

The most basic way to find your bmr is

BMR Calculation for Men: 66 + (6.23 × weight in pounds) + (12.7 × height in inches) – (6.76 × age in years)

Then depending on how much you exercise
Amount of Exercise Daily Calories Needed
Little to no exercise BMR x 1.2
Light exercise (1 to 3 days per week) BMR x1.375
Moderate exercise (3 to 5 days per week) BMR x 1.55
Heavy exercise (6 to 7 days per week) BMR x 1.725
Very heavy exercise (intense workouts twice per day) BMR x 1.9

This is the way I was taught anyways
If you'll notice, your BMR formula doesn't take into consideration body composition, just total bw. But let's go with your example, adding muscle only.

Starting with a 200lb individual @ 25% body fat. Say that he doesn't lose a lb of fat and gains 50lbs of lbm. Here's the marth looking at only the calories that fat burns and that muscle burns:

BW BF% FM FC LM LC Cals
200 0.25 50 100 150 900 1000
250 0.2 50 100 200 1200 1300
He'll burn an extra 300cals/day.

Now, lets plug those numbers into your BMR calc:

weight height age BMR
200 72 30 2026.3
250 72 30 2337.8
And we see that he'll burn 311.5cals/day, which for all intent and purposes is the same!


Originally posted by warcaster Increasing your LBM over time will give you alot bigger deficiet then you think. Last September my BMR was 1732 calories and now its 2246. My body now burns an extra 500 calories just to run per day.
So how did YOU increase your BMR by 500 cals? Based on your BMR calc, you would have put on a whopping 80lbs!

Increasing your BMR based on an arbitrary multiplication factor as an estimate of your energy expenditure has NOTHING to do with increasing LBM to boost your metabolism.

[scboss]

Easy I increased my training volume and my weight. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying you can't lose weight without increasing LBM but you will burn more by increasing it.

I went from training 3x per week to 2adays and I put on 20lbs of muscle. But based off of your example and the amount I train now you would actually be looking at going from 3039 cal to 4032 cal.

To you 120 calories is nothing apparently. Try telling that to my client who is 2 lbs short of his goal after a month. 120 calories a day is still 3600 calories a month. When dealing with some of the bodybuilders I train every calorie counts especially when getting close to competition.

IMO a fit body always outweighs a skinny one plus you get a calorie deficit (minimal indeed but still a deficit).

[bigbadboss101]

Now here is a question. Some people here said they lost weight just by eating well. That would mean a calorie deficit, may be it 500 a day or whatever. Now what if the same people do cardio regularly and also eat more. What difference would it make in terms of losing weight? What difference would it make when it comes to strength gain?

People say to grow and gain we need to eat, eat, eat. It might be tricky when it comes to losing fat and yet making gains. Shadowz mentioned he is gaining strength on calorie deficit and he does cardio.

[ZorroAMG]

Ok lemme start by saying that I used an amazing trainer for 8 months last year and the motivation and knowledge and gains were incredible. If one can afford it, a GOOD, TRUE PT will net the best results, hands down, every fucking time. That's why athletes and film/tv stars have them. No mystery there.

That being said, for the average dude with less insane goals can benefit from once a week training with trainer and the balance doing it on your own. That's if you've got willpower to work on your own and learn how to do so properly first by using the trainer.

Here's importance of health & fitness

diet, training/cardio and SLEEP.

Do all three properly and you'll be in rad shape.

[ZorroAMG]

PS I fucking love these threads on beyond. SO motivating. Going to train in an hour. W00t!

[JAYMEZ]

Originally posted by ZorroAMG
Ok lemme start by saying that I used an amazing trainer for 8 months last year and the motivation and knowledge and gains were incredible. If one can afford it, a GOOD, TRUE PT will net the best results, hands down, every fucking time. That's why athletes and film/tv stars have them. No mystery there.

That being said, for the average dude with less insane goals can benefit from once a week training with trainer and the balance doing it on your own. That's if you've got willpower to work on your own and learn how to do so properly first by using the trainer.

Here's importance of health & fitness

diet, training/cardio and SLEEP.

Do all three properly and you'll be in rad shape.


:werd: , ive had a trainer for 15 months now. And I have done one competition , and I am training for 2 more. Having a trainer is an awesome idea.. But Id do alot of research on the trainer you are picking.

[scboss]

Originally posted by JAYMEZ



:werd: , ive had a trainer for 15 months now. And I have done one competition , and I am training for 2 more. Having a trainer is an awesome idea.. But Id do alot of research on the trainer you are picking.

Exactly
When choosing a trainer ask for
- certifications
- game plan based on your goals
- testimonials
- before/after pics

If everyone could afford a trainer they would have one plain and simple. Even I get training (mainly olympic lifts) and I'm a trainer. If you think you know everything you have been sniffing the bro-knowledge way to long.

[austic]

Trainers are awesome for some things, I agree with Warcaster as I started a technical training session a few weeks ago to improve my OLY lifts and the amount I am learing is astounding....

[lint]

coaches != personal trainers

Don't hire a personal trainer who has turned a hobby of wasting time at the gym into a career of wasting time at the gym.

[bigbadboss101]

Austic I don't remember. You train at Westside or a crossfit facility?

[austic]

Both, Westside really only when I dont feel like driving to CFC or want to work on something specific.

[KRyn]

Originally posted by lint
coaches != personal trainers

Don't hire a personal trainer who has turned a hobby of wasting time at the gym into a career of wasting time at the gym.

AKA everyone who works at a commercial gym.

[brucebanner]

Originally posted by ZorroAMG
PS I fucking love these threads on beyond. SO motivating. Going to train in an hour. W00t!

100% agree! Reading others and updating mine keeps me training. It's great seeing others make progress.



Originally posted by warcaster
If you think you know everything you have been sniffing the bro-knowledge way to long.

Fuck, almost had water all over my laptop. :rofl:

[scboss]

Originally posted by KRyn


AKA everyone who works at a commercial gym.

Everyone has to start somewhere. It's harder then you think to get on at a sport specific gym. Gotta have lots of experience.

[KRyn]

Originally posted by warcaster


Everyone has to start somewhere. It's harder then you think to get on at a sport specific gym. Gotta have lots of experience.

Fair enough.

[liquidboi69]

When it comes to powerlifting I'd have to agree. We have two personal trainers in our crew, and they have alot to learn.

The only way to be wise in the sport, is to have years of personal experience doing the specific sport.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by bleu
Diet is pretty much everything. Cardio and muscle building accelerates the process. My BF is a certified personal trainer. He has really revamped my eating habits and both of us have been eating really healthy and looking at portion sizes. I am noticing a big difference in body image, how quickly I recover from stress, how I deal with stress and just overall energy. :werd: :werd: :werd:

I gotta say watching Zyzz videos gets me really motivated.....for about 5mins and then I'll do nothing.

[bigbadboss101]

Nutrition is everything! I know a lot of friends who runs a lot, ski, hike etc etc. They have more endurance than me because they do the activities they like with consistency. However they don't eat well, and eat socially. Hence even though they have better endurance than me, they are big for the sizes.

[zipdoa]

Originally posted by max_boost
:werd: :werd: :werd:

I gotta say watching Zyzz videos gets me really motivated.....for about 5mins and then I'll do nothing.

hahahahaha cmon man, you gotta get in there and train with passion, heart and rage!

[ay fitness]

you must continue in this programe and don't forget to eating healthy nutrition for given a beutifull result

[ay fitness]

Your diet provides the nutrition you need at every life stage for body function and day-to-day health. You can eat healthy foods that fulfill these criteria, or you can indulge in foods that have too much of less-beneficial nutrients at the expense of the good stuff. Your choice may determine how often you get sick, how your children will develop, how much you will weigh and even how long your life will be. A poor diet raises your risk for potentially fatal illnesses, such as heart disease.

[Toma]

Depends on your current bodyfat percent

My buddy Derek just lost 60 pounds in 6 weeks.

Restricted Calorie Atkins.

I did something similar 2 years ago before a Mexico trip.

I Lost 30 pounds in I think it was 5 weeks. Under 1200 calories a day, Atkins style, and at the end of it, I GAINED strength (was training the whole time).

Obviously he had a lot more to lose than I did, so there is your variance.

It's easy to do if you ignore the "gurus".

Atkins done right (lots of greens, and low carb veggies, especially the cruciferous family). And stay away from anything with the word "diet" on it anyway. For both Derek and I, Diet pop greatly decreases our ketosis.

I have done this diet enough times, and put enough people on it, I was thinking of starting a "fat farm" and lock them in my house or a facility I could rent, feed them, and I can guarantee massive results that will have people accusing you of being on steroids or other drugs.

It's also very important to STOP all old school cardio.... and DO NOT over train.

[nzwasp]

Ive been going to the gym for 5 weeks now - been mostly consistent with my diet, not drinking sugary stuff - only change ive really made from before is cutting out all pop (havent had a coke in over a month) and haven't had a starbucks for six weeks.

Ive gone from 221 pounds to 208 pounds while gaining some muscle at the same time as well. Im 6'2" and Im aiming for between 180-185 lbs.

Im pretty happy with my results so far. I have been seeing the trainer once per week for a month - stopped now due to budget restrictions. The trainer came to about $20 per session and his sessions were 1 hour pretty brutal stuff.

[Toma]

Nice work!

I watch trainers "over train" and torture clients, and I often wonder if it's just a ploy to get a high turn around rate lol.

[scboss]

Originally posted by Toma
Nice work!

I watch trainers "over train" and torture clients, and I often wonder if it's just a ploy to get a high turn around rate lol.

So true. The biggest problem is that most trainers only know how to train one way and thats fine, but you have to be able to give up your client to another trainer if you cant help them get to the main goal.

If you have a high turn around rate you will be broke. 80% of my business comes from renewals and referrals.

Yo nzwasp where the hell did you get a trainer for 20 per session?