STI Gas Mileage

[KRyn]

I am just curious as to what kind of gas mileage those driving STIs get. My car gets likely some of the worst mileage ever recorded by an STI. I average about 14-16 MPG in the city (assuming I stay out of boost) and have managed about 17-19 MPG on the highway. Is this par for the course with an STI or is mine exceptionally bad?

[arian_ma]

I get about 450km/tank city driving. Haven't tried a full tank on the highway yet. Mine's an 08

[revelations]

Uh, your specs? Stock?

[KRyn]

Originally posted by arian_ma
I get about 450km/tank city driving. Haven't tried a full tank on the highway yet. Mine's an 08

I think if I filled my tank and drove in 6th at 110 with cruise control I could manage to get 450km/tank. I am going to attempt this Friday, when I drive to Edmonton.



Originally posted by revelations
Uh, your specs? Stock?

Not stock, modified.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by arian_ma
I get about 450km/tank city driving. Haven't tried a full tank on the highway yet. Mine's an 08

Do you put in 40, 50, 60L in? Makes a big difference in consumption calcs.

[Sorath]

My stage 3 sti was around 350/a full tank. I forget what that is? 60l?

[kevie88]

450 per tank from my 06 and my 09.

[KRyn]

Originally posted by Aleks


Do you put in 40, 50, 60L in? Makes a big difference in consumption calcs.

Holy shit, my STI has a 60L tank... That means my consumption is even worse!

:barf:

I get about 13-15 MPG in the city and maybe 16-17 on the highway!

[benyl]

on my '05 I got about 400 in the summer and 350 in the winter stock.

I got 300 w/ the FMIC, 20G, injectors, etc...

Do you have a boost gauge? If you don't, you would be surprised how often you are actually in boost, even with light throttle. Boost = eats fuel.

[KRyn]

Originally posted by benyl
on my '05 I got about 400 in the summer and 350 in the winter stock.

I got 300 w/ the FMIC, 20G, injectors, etc...

Do you have a boost gauge? If you don't, you would be surprised how often you are actually in boost, even with light throttle. Boost = eats fuel.


I have a boost gauge and don't make full boost until 4 grand. If I get on it really hard I am obviously making some boost before then. I don't feel so bad now after hearing this, what kind of power did you make?

My car needs to get retuned eventually, but I don't think I need any more power for my first winter in it.

[DeleriousZ]

Highway I get ~10L/100km and between 12-14L/100km in the city, that's with an '05 sti engine but RA gearing/5spd.

[4WARNED]

Your first mistake is that you didn't buy an EVO....:poosie: :D

[Perfect Dark]

I averaged 11.5L/100km in my 07 STi...40% city and 60% highway usually.

[KRyn]

Originally posted by 4WARNED
Your first mistake is that you didn't buy an EVO....:poosie: :D


In another year or so after you have put 3,598 kms on yours in three years (your wife will be telling you 'I told you so') and you want to sell it, let me know. At that point, I will own my first and only Evo!
:D :rofl:

I would ask you what kind of mileage you get out of your newest Evo but I doubt you have even driven it enough to use an entire tank of gas!

[KRyn]

Originally posted by Sorath
My stage 3 sti was around 350/a full tank. I forget what that is? 60l?


How many HPS?

[4WARNED]

Originally posted by KRyn



In another year or so after you have put 3,598 kms on yours in three years (your wife will be telling you 'I told you so') and you want to sell it, let me know. At that point, I will own my first and only Evo!
:D :rofl:

I would ask you what kind of mileage you get out of your newest Evo but I doubt you have even driven it enough to use an entire tank of gas!

It took me 1/2 the summer to drain the tank....so i could finally put a tank of 94 in it..so yeah, i can't comment on the mileage. All i know is that it absolutely loved the 94 octane gas...tons of power and seemingly impossible, but better mileage....

I drove it too much this summer.....a quick trip out to Merritt and another weekend to Storm mountain and i'm now at 2300 miles for the summer....

Sit tight - i'm working on bringing a EVO V over.....;)

[arian_ma]

Originally posted by Aleks


Do you put in 40, 50, 60L in? Makes a big difference in consumption calcs.
Is there a difference in fuel capacity of the STi? I usually put in ~55L (so 60L tank)
Also, Kryn, your car is modified, I think the numbers you are getting sound right.

[94boosted]

I swear there is something whack with your tune KRyn, when I drove your car it felt like it was going WOT when the accelerator was only a 1/3 depressed, the remaining pedal travel wasn't doing much. You should have Airboy adjust that for you. Also I think you are running richer than you should be.

[KRyn]

Originally posted by 4WARNED


It took me 1/2 the summer to drain the tank....so i could finally put a tank of 94 in it..so yeah, i can't comment on the mileage. All i know is that it absolutely loved the 94 octane gas...tons of power and seemingly impossible, but better mileage....

I drove it too much this summer.....a quick trip out to Merritt and another weekend to Storm mountain and i'm now at 2300 miles for the summer....

Sit tight - i'm working on bringing a EVO V over.....;)


Gah, stop driving my future car so much please. I would like it to remain in MINT condition while you are holding it for me! :D

Evo V!? What for, winter beater?


Originally posted by arian_ma

Is there a difference in fuel capacity of the STi? I usually put in ~55L (so 60L tank)
Also, Kryn, your car is modified, I think the numbers you are getting sound right.

That is the conclusion I am starting to draw after hearing the mileage of everyone else with a highly modified STI. The gas mileage goes from bad to non-existant.


Originally posted by 94boosted
I swear there is something whack with your tune KRyn, when I drove your car it felt like it was going WOT when the accelerator was only a 1/3 depressed, the remaining pedal travel wasn't doing much. You should have Airboy adjust that for you. Also I think you are running richer than you should be.

Next summer it will be retuned for sure. Hopefully I can pick up a few MPG and 25-100 WHP!

[4WARNED]

Originally posted by KRyn

Evo V!? What for, winter beater?

by the time it comes around, it'll be summer probably......no reason really...just always wanted one...

[Sorath]

about 340awhp

[Xamim]

I average about 10.4L/100km with Husky 94 on my 2010.

[Darell_n]

Originally posted by KRyn


Holy shit, my STI has a 60L tank... That means my consumption is even worse!

:barf:

I get about 13-15 MPG in the city and maybe 16-17 on the highway!

Dude, the truck in my signature gets better mileage than that. Something is definitely messed up.

[unkicrackie99]

Originally posted by Xamim
I average about 10.4L/100km with Husky 94 on my 2010.

This pretty much sums it up for me, although I'm on Shell 91 and I'm running a Stage 1 map.

[JZS_147]

Originally posted by KRyn



In another year or so after you have put 3,598 kms on yours in three years (your wife will be telling you 'I told you so') and you want to sell it, let me know. At that point, I will own my first and only Evo!
:D :rofl:



Why would you downgrade?

[94boosted]

Originally posted by JZS_147



Why would you downgrade?

Oh oh them be fightin words :rofl:

[heavyfuel]

My 07 STi gets about 360km/tank, on the Cobb stage 2 93 octane tune, with just exhaust and CAI as far as mods go.

[Aleks]

I know some trucks that get 800 kms per tank. Those must be twice as good on gas as STIs???

:dunno:

[a social dsease]

I've got a stock 05 wrx and its get pretty decent mileage compared to you sti guys. Worst mileage I ever got was 12.4L/100km (19mpg) and that was fully loaded with a roof pod and bike rack averaging 150km/hr on the interstate in Montana (lots of hills). A normal tank just driving around town I'm averaging about 9.5L/100km (25mpg).

[KRyn]

Originally posted by JZS_147



Why would you downgrade?


Down grade? The 4G63 is a way superior engine! Also everyone and their dog has a STI, including me! Originally I wanted an Evo but couldn't afford one. I will own one some day.

For a heavily modified STI I think my mileage is about right. Thankfully I don't drive much.

[Boosted131]

4g63 must be superior then, I know lots of people with talons including my old one running high boost and getting 500km for 60 liters city .

[djmr2]

Average 12L/100km during the time i owned a '11 STi on Husky 94. 100% city. ~11 summer weather, ~13 colder weather.

[Canmorite]

9L/100Kms on the highway, about 11-12L/100kms in the city. Stage II from Airboy.

I'm finding it's worse when the temperature drops...

[Kijho]

I get 300km's on a tank, 320km's if I'm lucky.
$55 to fill up Husky 94.

[KRyn]

Originally posted by Kijho
I get 300km's on a tank, 320km's if I'm lucky.
$55 to fill up Husky 94.


I assume you are no where near stock like my self?

[Kijho]

Originally posted by KRyn



I assume you are no where near stock like my self?

Pretty much stock other than walbro pump / 07' coilpacks & gapped plugs etc.
Nothing crazy but Japan's octane is way higher than ours.
Shit burns so fast.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by Kijho


Nothing crazy but Japan's octane is way higher than ours.
Shit burns so fast.

No it isn't.

Petro/Husky 94octane > Japanese Premium

[Ukyo8]

I briefly owned a 2004 STi with all the Cobb goodies on it and I was getting about 220kms per tank, something must have been wrong with it :dunno:

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by Ukyo8
I briefly owned a 2004 STi with all the Cobb goodies on it and I was getting about 220kms per tank, something must have been wrong with it :dunno:

I dunno, with my 2004 SRT4 (not an STI but still 4 CYL turbo) I only got about ~240-260 kms before the low fuel light came on. Mind you, this is 100% bumper to bumper driving and rarely getting above 2nd gear. I don't know how people are getting these kind of numbers in boost :dunno:

And it had the tiny stock TD04 turbo (similar to STI turbo I think for that gen) and was very well maintained.

[Mibz]

Originally posted by Hallowed_point


I dunno, with my 2004 SRT4 (not an STI but still 4 CYL turbo) I only got about ~240-260 kms before the low fuel light came on. Mind you, this is 100% bumper to bumper driving and rarely getting above 2nd gear. I don't know how people are getting these kind of numbers in boost :dunno:

And it had the tiny stock TD04 turbo (similar to STI turbo I think for that gen) and was very well maintained. Jesus. I'd get 400-450km out of a tank in my SRT4 with only a WGA, and I drove it hard.

[Kijho]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


No it isn't.

Petro/Husky 94octane > Japanese Premium


Japan's octane is higher than 94... If I run anything less than 94 (Let's say 91 Premium from anywhere (eg. Shell, Esso, Co-op) my car runs like shit.

Plenty of research and various forums (jdmvip, rs2.5, nasioc etc.) all has different sources, but majority conclude the octane levels in Japan are between 96-100. So even our 94 isn't high enough..... (Therefor a Robs550 tune can map for 91 here in Canada. )

[Chester]

Maybe 400km per tank? I don't really care though, cost of owning a semi-fast car lol

[DeleriousZ]

Originally posted by Kijho



Japan's octane is higher than 94... If I run anything less than 94 (Let's say 91 Premium from anywhere (eg. Shell, Esso, Co-op) my car runs like shit.

Plenty of research and various forums (jdmvip, rs2.5, nasioc etc.) all has different sources, but majority conclude the octane levels in Japan are between 96-100. So even our 94 isn't high enough..... (Therefor a Robs550 tune can map for 91 here in Canada. )

They use a different octane rating system than north america than most of the world. Most of the world uses RON, vs here in north america we use AKI, which is a combo of RON and MON.

[Tik-Tok]

^^^^

What he said.

Petro/Husky 94 is RON 101.5, Japanese premium is RON 100.


Originally posted by Kijho



Japan's octane is higher than 94... If I run anything less than 94 (Let's say 91 Premium from anywhere (eg. Shell, Esso, Co-op) my car runs like shit.

Plenty of research and various forums (jdmvip, rs2.5, nasioc etc.) all has different sources, but majority conclude the octane levels in Japan are between 96-100. So even our 94 isn't high enough..... (Therefor a Robs550 tune can map for 91 here in Canada. )

[heavyfuel]

Originally posted by Aleks
I know some trucks that get 800 kms per tank. Those must be twice as good on gas as STIs???

:dunno:

My Duramax does 800ish, in town, stop and go. Believe it or not. Mind you it costs $180 to fill lol

[JZS_147]

Originally posted by KRyn



Down grade? The 4G63 is a way superior engine! Also everyone and their dog has a STI, including me! Originally I wanted an Evo but couldn't afford one. I will own one some day.

For a heavily modified STI I think my mileage is about right. Thankfully I don't drive much.

haha, they're just as shitty as the EJ257.

I thought he had a 4B11, that would be a downgrade. Evo X's suck.

[gpomp]

Originally posted by Aleks


Do you put in 40, 50, 60L in? Makes a big difference in consumption calcs. I always drive my car until it runs out of gas and then I push it to the pump.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by JZS_147


haha, they're just as shitty as the EJ257.

I thought he had a 4B11, that would be a downgrade. Evo X's suck.

4B11 is actually a pretty good engine. Makes more power than the 4G63 with simple tunes and only starts to fall behind when you start making more than 400 whp.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by Chester
Maybe 400km per tank? I don't really care though, cost of owning a semi-fast car lol

That sounds about right. Ballpark average haha.

Once you've own an SUV, filling up a sports car is cakewalk. :guns:

[DannyO]

I got a TBE and custom tune from Airboy, I typically get around 450km per tank, max I got once was about 520km, that's with local premium gas from Coop or Gas Bar and filling up around 54L on a 60L tank.

[clem24]

Wow never knew STI's were so thirsty... What's the point of the turbo again? V6 power with V8 consumption. :D

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by clem24
Wow never knew STI's were so thirsty... What's the point of the turbo again? V6 power with V8 consumption. :D

:werd: That's why I switched to v8..I thought to hell with this...if I'm going to get bad city fuel economy, it better be with 8 cylinders! Honestly, there is next to no difference for me mileage wise :rofl:

[benyl]

Yup.

[colinxx235]

Originally posted by clem24
Wow never knew STI's were so thirsty... What's the point of the turbo again? V6 power with V8 consumption. :D


Yah I always thought STI's got pretty good consumption. stage 1 s4 gets me just shy of 500/tank and thats a 60L just like theirs.
Heck that was one big thing I was thinking about between S4 vs C63, mostly because i have a heavy foot and drive a lotttt

[Aleks]

Reason why STIs have bad fuel consumption is because it's an old engine. Nothing has changed since 2004 at least.

New turbo engines on the market are way more efficient. Hopefully the next STI fixes that issue.

[clem24]

Originally posted by colinxx235



Yah I always thought STI's got pretty good consumption. stage 1 s4 gets me just shy of 500/tank and thats a 60L just like theirs.
Heck that was one big thing I was thinking about between S4 vs C63, mostly because i have a heavy foot and drive a lotttt

I usually fill up my C63 with 1/4 left (never know when you want to blast through that 1/4 tank, so I don't take any chances LOL). Probably a little over 350KMs and I throw in about 50L. But that's not the only problem with the C63: they chew through rear tires LOL. 26k KMs on my car, and I am pretty sure I'll need a third set of rears before 30k. On a positive note, the fronts are minty mint!

Not only that but since the snow has fallen, my car with LSD can't even make it up any kind of icy or slushy slight incline with my brand new Micheline X-Ices (like my driveway or by the mailbox). You probably made a good choice with the S4 hahaha. Gawd do I miss studded tires + AWD.

[Canmorite]

15L/100kms in the cold :nut: But the extra power is nice too.

[v8killa]

my STI gives me about 320-350ish for 40/L..full stage 2.

[colinxx235]

Originally posted by clem24


I usually fill up my C63 with 1/4 left (never know when you want to blast through that 1/4 tank, so I don't take any chances LOL). Probably a little over 350KMs and I throw in about 50L. But that's not the only problem with the C63: they chew through rear tires LOL. 26k KMs on my car, and I am pretty sure I'll need a third set of rears before 30k. On a positive note, the fronts are minty mint!

Not only that but since the snow has fallen, my car with LSD can't even make it up any kind of icy or slushy slight incline with my brand new Micheline X-Ices (like my driveway or by the mailbox). You probably made a good choice with the S4 hahaha. Gawd do I miss studded tires + AWD.


Yah after the last few days with winter tires and the S4, ohhhh boy does this car ever rip it. Almost a bad thing how fast you can get speed ripping through heavy slush/snow.

Although I have never driven a rwd only car in the winter so tough to compare.

As for how much tires I will go through, I'll check back with that next summer.... lets hope more than 10K like you get.

[Chandler_Racing]

Originally posted by KRyn


Holy shit, my STI has a 60L tank... That means my consumption is even worse!

:barf:

I get about 13-15 MPG in the city and maybe 16-17 on the highway!

Sounds about the same as mine.

I barely drive the thing and spend $75/week.

[clem24]

I just find this strange as my old 05 Legacy GT turbo 5MT, made 50 HP less and weighs more, but I easily got 22 MPG in the city and about 26 on the hightway.

[KRyn]

Originally posted by Chandler_Racing


Sounds about the same as mine.

I barely drive the thing and spend $75/week.

Yup, that is about how much I spend a week. If I am driving lots on the weekend it is $75.00, if I kick it at home or get picked up / don't drive much I can get away with $50.00 or so. I figured out it costs me roughly $17.00 to get to Red Deer from Calgary at current gas prices.

When my car gets retuned next summer I should be able to keep the same horrible mileage and make another 50-100 WHP! :nut:
This is my first time driving AWD in the winter and it is a lot of fun!
:winter:

[KRyn]

So I am getting my valve cover gaskets done next week as my passanger side is leaking! :eek:

I have been throwing CELs for misfire, so I am going to do coils and plugs at the same time. Don't feel like spending $110.00 a coil at the Stealership! Has anyone ordered from www.rockauto.com if so which coils did you choose?

Thanks!

[heavyfuel]

Originally posted by clem24
Wow never knew STI's were so thirsty... What's the point of the turbo again? V6 power with V8 consumption. :D

Yuuuup next time around it's gonna be a V8 for me too, love the Subie and all but the $$$ involved to get into the 11's is just ridiculous.

[KRyn]

Originally posted by heavyfuel


Yuuuup next time around it's gonna be a V8 for me too, love the Subie and all but the $$$ involved to get into the 11's is just ridiculous.


How much HP did it take to get into the 11s?

[heavyfuel]

Originally posted by KRyn



How much HP did it take to get into the 11s?

Oh fuck lol I'm not even anywhere near there lol just the stuff I been reading on NASIOC, and how much a 500+hp build costs and what it entails, I don't want any part of that lol

[lil brown]

Originally posted by clem24
Wow never knew STI's were so thirsty... What's the point of the turbo again? V6 power with V8 consumption. :D

Its because of full-time AWD, not the motor itself

[heavyfuel]

Originally posted by lil brown


Its because of full-time AWD, not the motor itself

Yup, but the overall bang for your buck with this car is not very good at all.

[Cos]

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[jutes]

Originally posted by heavyfuel
yuuuup next time around it's gonna be a V8 for me too, love the Subie and all but the $$$ involved to get into the 11's is just ridiculous.

You obviously bought the wrong car if you wanted a drag queen. Subaru didn't design the STi for 1320ft times, people can't grasp this concept. It's like buying Yaris and complaining it costs tones of money to increase HP. You want a good handling car with hp, buy a Z06, can't drive it in the snow though.

Back on topic, I get 11.4l/100km in city driving, its around 9L/100km on the highway. My STi is highly modified with a larger turbo, injectors, fuel crap, wide mileage reducing tires and an Airboy tune. You bought an AWD turbo and complain about fuel mileage, did you even do any research before you bought it?

[heavyfuel]

Originally posted by jutes


You obviously bought the wrong car if you wanted a drag queen. Subaru didn't design the STi for 1320ft times, people can't grasp this concept. It's like buying Yaris and complaining it costs tones of money to increase HP. You want a good handling car with hp, buy a Z06, can't drive it in the snow though.

Back on topic, I get 11.4l/100km in city driving, its around 9L/100km on the highway. My STi is highly modified with a larger turbo, injectors, fuel crap, wide mileage reducing tires and an Airboy tune. You bought an AWD turbo and complain about fuel mileage, did you even do any research before you bought it?

Hell yeah I bought the wrong car, and I'm reminded almost every time I meet another Subie owner lol

[colinxx235]

^

:rofl:

[gpomp]

larger turbo and bigger injectors = highly modified subaru? :rofl:

[heavyfuel]

Originally posted by gpomp
larger turbo and bigger injectors = highly modified subaru? :rofl:

Lol didn't wanna be the one to start stirring that pot....

[A3GTiVR6SC]

Originally posted by gpomp
larger turbo and bigger injectors = highly modified subaru? :rofl:


To most Subaru, especially STi owners, It sure is... :poosie: :devil:

[benyl]

Originally posted by jutes


You obviously bought the wrong car if you wanted a drag queen. Subaru didn't design the STi for 1320ft times, people can't grasp this concept. It's like buying Yaris and complaining it costs tones of money to increase HP. You want a good handling car with hp, buy a Z06, can't drive it in the snow though.

Back on topic, I get 11.4l/100km in city driving, its around 9L/100km on the highway. My STi is highly modified with a larger turbo, injectors, fuel crap, wide mileage reducing tires and an Airboy tune. You bought an AWD turbo and complain about fuel mileage, did you even do any research before you bought it?

Subaru put so much under steer in the sti, that I am not sure if it is good for anything other than the 1320.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by heavyfuel


Hell yeah I bought the wrong car, and I'm reminded almost every time I meet another Subie owner lol

Outside of the fragile engines another thing that keeps me from buying a Subaru is the nerdiness of the fan base. They all think AWD is the holy grail of automobiles and Subarus are good handling cars. Subie fans have taken the place of 90's Honda fanboys IMO.

[heavyfuel]

Originally posted by heavyD


Outside of the fragile engines another thing that keeps me from buying a Subaru is the nerdiness of the fan base. They all think AWD is the holy grail of automobiles and Subarus are good handling cars. Subie fans have taken the place of 90's Honda fanboys IMO.

That's what I'm starting to realize lol I'm not scared of RWD in the snow, it takes hella bad weather for me to even put my truck(s) in 4wd lol so for now, it's just a fun car for me and nothing more.

[lil brown]

Originally posted by heavyD


Outside of the fragile engines another thing that keeps me from buying a Subaru is the nerdiness of the fan base. They all think AWD is the holy grail of automobiles and Subarus are good handling cars. Subie fans have taken the place of 90's Honda fanboys IMO.

The way i see it, an STi can be viewed as a jack of all trades rather than a master of any.
its reliable, year round daily driver, can easily be made to go fast in a straight line, can easily be made go fast on the corners, looks decent, large aftermarket support, decently priced.
suby fans have taken over the place of honda boys? no. not at all.

[Cos]

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[Maxt]

Originally posted by lil brown


Its because of full-time AWD, not the motor itself
I dunno about that, some of the mileage numbers posted make my SRT8 Jeep look like a Prius.

[heavyfuel]

Originally posted by Cos


S4 and 335i make the sti and Evo look like a bag of shit.

Sti owners remind me of ek owners.

If you live in Springbank Hill, perhaps lol

[Cos]

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[Perfect Dark]

Originally posted by Cos
Heavy d is right. When I was looking for a new car recently I was disappointed in the sti. For the same money an s4 puts out the same power, rides WAY better, doesn't have such a cheap interior and has huge aftermarket support too.

S4 and 335i make the sti and Evo look like a bag of shit. I love the look of sti's and something about the noise of the subaru flat four sounds awesome but it isnt that great of a car really but sti owners think that nothing else can touch it. Sure when I was in college the sti was the king of cars but now there is so many better cars for 50k.

Sti owners remind me of ek owners.

You're comparing $60k cars with an STi which is a $42-43k car ...not really apples to apples is it?

The Evo is a $55k car though so I guess that's a bit more fair.

Subaru makes a great all season car that's fun to drive. That being said I would much rather have an S4 or a 335 because I'm realistic haha, but it all goes back to bang for your buck and the STi is pretty high up that list.

[Cos]

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[Aleks]

One thing I'll say is STI/EVO seem to hold their value better. I bought my 2008 335 for the same money roughly as used 2008/2009 STIs were going for. Mine is CPO too.

I get 11.2L/100kms pretty much all deerfoot rush hour traffic.
375hp, 415tq.

However it's RWD so that makes a pretty big difference seems like vs Xdrive fuel mileage wise.

[heavyfuel]

Originally posted by Cos


Starting Prices:

- Audi S4 - $53,000
- Evo - $42,000
- STI - $42,000
- BMW 335i - $51,000

I didnt realize that they finally dropped the prices on the Evo and STI. When I was looking they were all $48,000 cars to start so I easily got an Evo up to the mid 50's. Same with the STI I had it up to 53k at one point so they all of these cars are within $5k which at the high 40's is 10% which makes them fair comparison.

Too be fair though I dont know anyone who buys a base Evo or STI. They have less standard features than some $20k cars.

Looking at some of the rims you guys buy for these cars the extra 5k isnt a problem apparently. :devil:

Ya those Volk TE37's seem to be a popular choice in the subie world, I'd NEVER spend that much on rims lol

[Cos]

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[Xamim]

Originally posted by heavyD


Outside of the fragile engines another thing that keeps me from buying a Subaru is the nerdiness of the fan base. They all think AWD is the holy grail of automobiles and Subarus are good handling cars. Subie fans have taken the place of 90's Honda fanboys IMO.

I think every car group has its fanboys. In my experience though, from reading forums and meeting a few STI owners, most people agree that there are better cars out there for the money. Like someone said earlier, it is a good all around car. It does have understeer, weak engine components, shitty fuel economy and it rattles. Once you do your research and and you know what you're getting yourself into, you enjoy the car a lot more.

I know two people personally that bought a brand new STI and sold it within a year due to the reasons that are listed above. They always complained about their cars and how they should have bought something else. I knew about these issues going in and I enjoy driving the car everyday.

[Darell_n]

How are the Audi and BMW cars for durability? ie I wouldn't hesitate to off-road in my WRX and do it regularly. (not talking truck off-road) Will the other 2 hold up or are they strictly pavement princesses?

[jutes]

Originally posted by gpomp
larger turbo and bigger injectors = highly modified subaru? :rofl:

Yes because that's all it has. :facepalm: This is a gas mileage thread, I'm not going to list the mods that aren't pertinent to the discussion. The car is far from stock.


Subaru put so much under steer in the sti, that I am not sure if it is good for anything other than the 1320.

Understeer is easily fixed with a few components. I've seen a stock STi get FTD's in autocross with the right driver.


Heavy d is right. When I was looking for a new car recently I was disappointed in the sti. For the same money an s4 puts out the same power, rides WAY better, doesn't have such a cheap interior and has huge aftermarket support too.

The S4 and BMW also cost more new, cost more to repair, service, modify and maintain. The STI/EVO cars aren't competitors to the S4/335i's, even though the japanese econo boxes are quicker, lighter cars and more fun to toss around.

[Cos]

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[Aleks]

Originally posted by jutes

The S4 and BMW also cost more new, cost more to repair, service, modify and maintain. The STI/EVO cars aren't competitors to the S4/335i's, even though the japanese econo boxes are quicker, lighter cars and more fun to toss around.

Can't comment on Audis but BMWs cost $0 to maintain and service for the first 4 years. It's all free (other than brakes, lightbulbs and similar). From personal experience servicing outside 4 yrs isn't any more expensive when it comes to brake, belt, oil jobs than VWs, Subaru etc.

Where things really get bad is if something major fails outside warranty. That's when things can get pretty expensive. As far as modifying you can get a Cobb tune for $900 that will give you 400hp and 400+ft/lbs. If you want to spend more you can even get a flash that covers first 4 years of warranty with similar power gains.

Having had both Subarus and BMWs they are totaly different cars.

[heavyfuel]

Originally posted by jutes





Understeer is easily fixed with a few components. I've seen a stock STi get FTD's in autocross with the right driver.





Understeer? How so? This is my first AWD car and as far as I'm concerned it handles fine. I rode in a modded EVO at Stratotech this summer and was instantly jealous, but even in the passenger seat it felt like over steer if anything. :dunno:

[jutes]

Originally posted by Aleks
Having had both Subarus and BMWs they are totaly different cars.

Yup, totally different cars in different classes. No one who does their research test drives an STi/EVO and S4/335I in the same day. Obviously the latter would 'feel' better because they are better cars on the street. People who buy STis and EVOs will likely mod them, that is where the fun starts.


Originally posted by heavyfuel
Understeer? How so? This is my first AWD car and as far as I'm concerned it handles fine.

You obviously have never truly pushed a stock STi around corners. Take it to a few SOLO events and you'll quickly see.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by heavyfuel


Understeer? How so? This is my first AWD car and as far as I'm concerned it handles fine. I rode in a modded EVO at Stratotech this summer and was instantly jealous, but even in the passenger seat it felt like over steer if anything. :dunno:

My EVO X oversteered more than my Mustang which is a more neutral handling car. The EVO has the advantage over the STI of torque vectoring. I feel the STI makes for a better daily driver but even with handling mods it's never going to handle as well as a stock EVO which is one of the best handling cars in the world.

Aleks is right about resale. You won't find two better cars at holding resale than EVO's or STI's. I sold my EVO X after two years for considerably more than I owed for it. My Mustang on the other hand after one year is worth substantially less.

[heavyfuel]

Originally posted by jutes






You obviously have never truly pushed a stock STi around corners. Take it to a few SOLO events and you'll quickly see.

Yeah riding in that EVO I think I get what you're saying as far as driving at a track goes.

What a greatly derailed thread lol

[jonnycat]

Originally posted by heavyD


Aleks is right about resale. You won't find two better cars at holding resale than EVO's or STI's. I sold my EVO X after two years for considerably more than I owed for it. My Mustang on the other hand after one year is worth substantially less.

I bought my STi for $39k and it sold a year later for $35K

I bought my Charger for $42K and a year later it is worth $28k (blackbook) lol.

At least, in my mind, the Charger has more value though.

[dumplings]

Originally posted by Cos


Starting Prices:

- Audi S4 - $53,000
- Evo - $42,000
- STI - $42,000
- BMW 335i - $51,000

I didnt realize that they finally dropped the prices on the Evo and STI. When I was looking they were all $48,000 cars to start so I easily got an Evo up to the mid 50's. Same with the STI I had it up to 53k at one point so they all of these cars are within $5k which at the high 40's is 10% which makes them fair comparison.

Too be fair though I dont know anyone who buys a base Evo or STI. They have less standard features than some $20k cars.

Looking at some of the rims you guys buy for these cars the extra 5k isnt a problem apparently. :devil:
There's a difference of 11k between the Sport Tech STI (42k) and the base S4 (53k). That number is upped to 14k when you're comparing a base STI to a base S4. Simply put, you're comparing cars that were never really meant to go head to head (imo).

In my case i got a pretty good deal on my sti. I couldnt justify the almost 20k premium that an audi/bmw/merc commanded over my car.

[gpomp]

I went to look at the s4 a few months ago and they were high 60's out the door. Definitely not in the same price range as a subaru