The Hella Flush Trend

[jaylo]

It is funny how this trend took off when 10 years ago people were making fun of the same stance (was called "mexi-ride" back in the day)

http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_articles/id/2612/hella-fail.aspx

[sr20s14zenki]

Haha "self clearance axles" hahahaha. Too funny. Some guys just take it too damn far. I have a fairly flush appearance on my s14 and im totally happy with its height. I can clear speed bumps for the most part...hah.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t320/ca18det240sx/BE7118A4-30A0-4436-980C-F423B2687403-1227-00000109ADEB67F3.jpg

[urrforce]

wow lol a lot of hate in that thread

im not much into the super modding of things and in all honesty dont know a whole lot but thats crazy to see the damage caused by that i imagine it would be far worse with the kind of roads that we have here in calgary.

but i will add it looks good when its sitting there all pretty in a parking lot or on a instagram picture lol

[Kramerica]

They guy will end up paying more now because he chose to take shortcuts instead of taking his time and doing it right :facepalm:

I can see why somebody wants to do this but you have to accept the fact that there is only so far you can go before you end up like the car in the article. I changed my tire size by like 1% and for about two weeks I would walk around the car and check each tire for rubbing because I'm so paranoid, I dunno how this guy drove around with the sound of his entire car grinding off on to the pavement and didn't think to check if everything was okay.

[Abeo]

This is a "new" thing? People have been stretching tires for years.

Next up, an article about the new "fast and furious" trend

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by Abeo
This is a "new" thing? People have been stretching tires for years.

Next up, an article about the new "fast and furious" trend its more than just stretching, its moddings suspension to lower a car to stupid levels. if you scrape sub frame its too damn low imo. for a daily driver anyways

[AMFH403]

Damn, that car is fucked. I don't know about other cars, but the S Chassis has a lot of aftermarket support to correct suspension geometry and still remain slammed. How do you think Formula D drivers drift with slammed cars and still be functional?

Here's a write up from Zilvia explaining some products that help correct suspension geometry.
http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/296725-roll-center-suspension-pickup-steering-angle-modification-thread.html

You can always have a custom down pipe and exhaust to hug the frame more tightly to avoid scraping. Raising the sub frame, having modified knuckles, and having adjustable arms can correct the negative points stated by MotoIQ. Stretching tires isn't too bad if you purchase tires that can stretch with the correct sidewalls. Most people that have tires debead on them don't correctly inflate the tire or have a brand of tire that doesn't stretch well. Everything i stated above requires more money/labour and or custom parts but allows you to ride super low safely.

To have crazy wheel fitment, it's usually a good idea to go widebody and get tubs for more wheel movement. Your tires are less likely to rub on things. Lots of negative camber also allows your car to drop lower. To deal with camber wear, you can flip the tires before they completely wear on one side. You can also buy Nitto NeoGens which are meant for negative camber with their inner tire design.
http://www.nittotire.com/Tire/neogen#tech

With all that being said, if you just lower your car with coils and don't correct anything, your suspension will eventually break/increased wear. I personally like the "HellaFlush" trend but only the cars with nice parts that don't cheap out on anything.

[Maxx Mazda]

Stanced cars look retarted anyways.

[codetrap]

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[Shlade]

Originally posted by Maxx Mazda
Stanced cars look retarted anyways.

I think my car looks ok? :dunno: haha

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a77/TVNC/527650_10152118565235694_1786319073_n.jpg

[Abeo]

Originally posted by sr20s14zenki
its more than just stretching, its moddings suspension to lower a car to stupid levels. if you scrape sub frame its too damn low imo. for a daily driver anyways

The catback I bought from you was well on its way to looking like that downpipe :P

This article is saying its a recent thing. Its not. I remember a local guy stretching 205's on 9.5" wheels on a widebody slammed s13 in 2006.

Not defending this trend btw. I have always thought it was dumb.

[sr20s14zenki]

Originally posted by Abeo


The catback I bought from you was well on its way to looking like that downpipe :P

This article is saying its a recent thing. Its not. I remember a local guy stretching 205's on 9.5" wheels on a widebody slammed s13 in 2006.

Not defending this trend btw. I have always thought it was dumb.

The speed bumps did it, i take no responsibility :D

[theken]

To each their own

[Maxx Mazda]

Originally posted by theken
To each their own

Exactly. I don't like the "stretched" look on rims one bit. What the hell is the point? If that's your "thang" than all the power to you I guess...

[dj_rice]

I support the Sorta Flush movement. Can't wait to get my coilovers installed so my rim stance will look better

[Boosted131]

_r6ltUgtFWI you guys have nothing on this guy :D

[dj_rice]

Originally posted by Boosted131
_r6ltUgtFWI you guys have nothing on this guy :D


Checkmate

LgIrDyUEBjY

[atgilchrist]

Pfffff, VWs have been doing this for 30 years.

[tirebob]

Originally posted by atgilchrist
Pfffff, VWs have been doing this for 30 years.

^^^THIS^^^

[962 kid]

ztAvcuxy5Io

[sr20s14zenki]

Lol that's fucking stupid

[GS430]

Originally posted by Maxx Mazda
Stanced cars look retarted anyways.

Hey retart , LOOK AT WHAT YOU DRIVE! lol.. :facepalm:

[03ozwhip]

^^id actually look at his build thread before you bash that car. it would take most cars on the road, without a doubt.

he might spell like a retart but he knows his cars!

[GS430]

Originally posted by 03ozwhip
^^id actually look at his build thread before you bash that car. it would take most cars on the road, without a doubt.

You could say the same thing about a lot of these "hella flush" cars.

My comment was based entirely on the aesthetic aspect of his car.

[Maxx Mazda]

Originally posted by GS430


You could say the same thing about a lot of these "hella flush" cars.

My comment was based entirely on the aesthetic aspect of his car.

My phone corrects to "retarted" for some reason instead of "retarded."

My car is lowered on a race suspension setup. For handling performance, not looks. I don't have stretched tires or crazy camber (in fact I did everything in my power to keep the camber within factory limits.)

[03ozwhip]

Originally posted by GS430


You could say the same thing about a lot of these "hella flush" cars.

My comment was based entirely on the aesthetic aspect of his car.

based on the fact that your car probably looks better than his, doesnt mean you wouldnt look like an idiot trying to race him. he doesnt like stanced, you do, whatever. he likes go not show, which is the exact opposite of most of these stanced cars, up to and including my own.

[Maxx Mazda]

Maybe I should just out one of those "stance nation" stickers on my window like the cool kids have? :dunno:

[GS430]

Originally posted by 03ozwhip


based on the fact that your car probably looks better than his, doesnt mean you wouldnt look like an idiot trying to race him. he doesnt like stanced, you do, whatever. he likes go not show, which is the exact opposite of most of these stanced cars, up to and including my own.

My original comment wasn't meant to be taken so seriously guys.

No harm intended, I know what kind of power that thing makes.

I don't necessarily like stance'd cars. I think there should be a balance between performance and looks, but depending on the purpose of the car.

[jaylo]

Originally posted by Maxx Mazda
Maybe I should just out one of those "stance nation" stickers on my window like the cool kids have? :dunno:

I remember back 7 years ago when my car (Integra) was lowered 2" with Tokico Illuminas and Eibach Sportlines, everyone in the forum was trolling that it needs to go lower with little or no gap on the wheel well.

I can only imagine the amount of pressure these new cool kids with their cool cars.

[M.alex]

Originally posted by 962 kid
ztAvcuxy5Io

It almost fits :nut:

[asp integra]

Originally posted by atgilchrist
Pfffff, VWs have been doing this for 30 years.

haha i was just goin to say this lol

[95teetee]

Originally posted by Maxx Mazda
Stanced cars look retarted anyways. even worse is the idiotic fact that they call them 'stanced'.

[Buster]

Originally posted by 03ozwhip
^^id actually look at his build thread before you bash that car. it would take most cars on the road, without a doubt.

he might spell like a retart but he knows his cars!

I hunted that thread down. Awesome read.

Last update was Sept 25...which disappointed me. I wanted to see what happened with the broken trans.

lol @ the guy making fun of his "protege"

/threadjack.

[Maxx Mazda]

Originally posted by Buster


I hunted that thread down. Awesome read.

Last update was Sept 25...which disappointed me. I wanted to see what happened with the broken trans.

lol @ the guy making fun of his "protege"

/threadjack.

Thanks. Will get back on it as soon as the S10 is done, I promise.

[Buster]

Originally posted by Maxx Mazda


Thanks. Will get back on it as soon as the S10 is done, I promise.

Cool beans. Nothing better than a cool build thread.

[Maxx Mazda]

Originally posted by Buster


Cool beans. Nothing better than a cool build thread.

The S-10's won't be as involved, but it will move along quickly.

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&threadid=364157

/threadjack

[DeleriousZ]

Everyone definitely has their own preference. I love low cars with wheels that don't fit, I think bags are for cheaters, and no, I don't care that your car will run a 10.862 on the quarter mile. I used to be all about performance, function over form. I guess I just gave up on it, especially after the track disappeared. Someone will always be faster, which for someone who's a sore loser is tough to deal with lol.

Anyway, anyone who wants to check out a largely hate free environment for 'stanced' cars should check out the stanceworks forums. By far the best online community I've ever been a part of.

[Sugarphreak]

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[ercchry]

honestly, kids could be doing worse things... what they are creating is a car that is low and SLOW, kids cant even get moving fast enough to kill themselves. any uneven surface means they are slowing down, way better than the boy racer fnf shit most of use were exposed to when we were younger :dunno:

[Buster]

Originally posted by ercchry
honestly, kids could be doing worse things... what they are creating is a car that is low and SLOW, kids cant even get moving fast enough to kill themselves. any uneven surface means they are slowing down, way better than the boy racer fnf shit most of use were exposed to when we were younger :dunno:

It's just another trend that people will laugh at in 5 years.

[thinmyster]

Nothing too crazy but my falkens stretched a little more than I would have liked.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7110/8167410885_61d7d5f3fb_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/88856943@N07/8167410885/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8489/8195779756_f5c14ca5c4_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/88856943@N07/8195779756/)

[03ozwhip]

Originally posted by thinmyster
Nothing too crazy but my falkens stretched a little more than I would have liked.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7110/8167410885_61d7d5f3fb_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/88856943@N07/8167410885/)

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8489/8195779756_f5c14ca5c4_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/88856943@N07/8195779756/)

wait....so....wait a minute...you actually have an MR2? that drives? lol

[03ozwhip]

Originally posted by Buster


It's just another trend that people will laugh at in 5 years.

i laugh at it now, when its too overboard. luckily, people(at least in calgary) arent dumb enough to do EVERYTHING the japanese trend setters are doing, but a little poke or camber is an awesome thing to look at when its done right and i dont think its going anywhere.

[03ozwhip]

mine doesnt have as much camber as some, but nonetheless, i dont think it looks bad at all...

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/cory_mr2/036.jpg
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/cory_mr2/037-1.jpg
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s5/cory_mr2/046.jpg

[Buster]

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8489/8195779756_f5c14ca5c4_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/88856943@N07/8195779756/) [/B]

Does that tire says "inside" on it.?

[dj_rice]

Originally posted by Buster


Does that tire says "inside" on it.?


Yes, yes it does. So directional tire mounted wrong way?:confused: :dunno:

[thinmyster]

They arent direction but asymmetrical (google) I noticed that too but I havent actually driven the car this year so I didnt really look into it. I may have to get the tire shop to flip it.

[Buster]

I think it adds to the "flavour"

[DeleriousZ]

Originally posted by Buster


It's just another trend that people will laugh at in 5 years.

That's what people said about it 5 years ago. They also said it will die off like murdered out cars and altezza taillights. Hasn't happened yet, and I don't see it happening for a long time.

[Kramerica]

so long as there are people that need to feel like a special snowflake I suspect this trend will continue to exist. If its not something like this it'll be something as equally ridiculous and undrivable.

[ka-t240sx]

I think it looks decent within reason. Some people take it just a wee bit to far.
Yeah it may "look cool" having a 225 tyre on a 10" rim with -6 degree camber.. but what practicality does it have in this city besides looks?

The car would handle like garbage on a race track.
But everyone has their own tastes is what looks good and what don't.
I prefer function>form any day.

[DeleriousZ]

Originally posted by ka-t240sx
The car would handle like garbage on a race track.


What race track? :(

[03ozwhip]

^thats just it, the people that are racing their cars dont do this as it doesnt make sense. the people that are doing this is the "ricer" generation, by which i mean, all show, no go, generally and thats what this trend is about, low and slow.

[DeleriousZ]

Originally posted by 03ozwhip
generally and thats what this trend is about, low and slow.

Welcome to volkswagens for the last 60 years :)

Hellaflush/slammed is not a new trend, it's just new to north america.

[ercchry]

Originally posted by 03ozwhip
^thats just it, the people that are racing their cars dont do this as it doesnt make sense. the people that are doing this is the "ricer" generation, by which i mean, all show, no go, generally and thats what this trend is about, low and slow.

which is why i dont really have an issue with it for a street car. the biggest safety concern is getting a flat tire... oh noes... or taking out your oil pan. little less of a problem them some fool on r-compounds doing 200km/h+ around a bend and hitting a patch of water/gravel/ice

[Ca_Silvia13]

Originally posted by ka-t240sx
I think it looks decent within reason. Some people take it just a wee bit to far.
Yeah it may "look cool" having a 225 tyre on a 10" rim with -6 degree camber.. but what practicality does it have in this city besides looks?

The car would handle like garbage on a race track.
But everyone has their own tastes is what looks good and what don't.
I prefer function>form any day.

Ive done 240+ @ Race City on the 225 mounted on a 10, handles fine you wussy

Like most things, when done right a lowered car on streched rubber looks great. Most people do it half assed and it looks terrible.

[Buster]

It's a fascinating example of sub-culture group think leading to hilarity.

You see it in other ways. Off the top of my head:

- giant donut ear-rings to create huge ear holes (the bigger the better!)
- dumb looking tattoos.
- ricers
- cosplay/LARP
- college fraternities
- Bieber hair


I could go on.

Basically, it's human tribal instinct, and the need to below to a "club". It's irrelevant to the members that everyone else laughs at it. Acceptance within the sub-culture is tantamount, and the 10,000 other people laughing at a rim sticking out from a tire (because really...no way is that cool), are thought to just not "get it".

[ka-t240sx]

^ hAHAHA bieber hair

Originally posted by 03ozwhip
^thats just it, the people that are racing their cars dont do this as it doesnt make sense. the people that are doing this is the "ricer" generation, by which i mean, all show, no go, generally and thats what this trend is about, low and slow.

Agreed!


Originally posted by Ca_Silvia13


Ive done 240+ @ Race City on the 225 mounted on a 10, handles fine you wussy

Like most things, when done right a lowered car on streched rubber looks great. Most people do it half assed and it looks terrible.

Now go put a proper size tyre on that 10" rim, say a 255-275 and get back to me on what handles better. (time attack/road course not drift)
The problem isn't really having a 225 on a 10" It's the ridiculous amount of camber. why not step down to a 9" If you wanna run a 225? run half the camber and actually have most of the tyre on the ground versus a inch or two :dunno:


I completely agree on the second part.

[thinmyster]

My specs are:

18x9+20 215/35
18x10.5+25 235/35

But falkens run thinner than almost all. I wish they didnt stretch as much as they did. I know urbanX had a hard time mounting the rears but they got them done :thumbsup:

[ercchry]

Originally posted by ka-t240sx
^ hAHAHA bieber hair


Agreed!



Now go put a proper size tyre on that 10" rim, say a 255-275 and get back to me on what handles better. (time attack/road course not drift)
The problem isn't really having a 225 on a 10" It's the ridiculous amount of camber. why not step down to a 9" If you wanna run a 225? run half the camber and actually have most of the tyre on the ground versus a inch or two :dunno:


I completely agree on the second part.

but... its not fun on the street. whats-his-name there with the track prepped s13 is crazy quick around the course. but whats the point on the street? just bigger tickets :dunno:

its like those werdos that love silly old ae86's.... they are not quick, but you can lay into them and reach the cars limits at closer to legal speeds... which is fun. same reason im running a hard compound 255 instead of a big sticky 305... its fuuuuunnnn

[jzz30dk]

Its just a look. Stretched tires for clearance to fit a wider lower offset wheel for more dish ect. People keep saying its bad on the track but its NOT for the track. Its for low ass slow ass cars for the most part.

Its been around for years and i dont think its going anywhere. People who dont like it say it looks stupid and people who like it say big bulgy tires look stupid. To each their own.

[Sugarphreak]

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[Buster]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Yep... also may I point out the irony this post is coming from a guy who drives a muscle wagon around :rofl:

Of course people love this stuff, it is what makes life interesting. I pity anybody who hasn't had the joy of throwing caution to the wind and just indulging a sub culture at one time or another.

Yup. You just gotta own it.

I've always driven wagons and caught lots of flack for it from the 99% of the people who prefer SUVs. Fuck 'em, I say.

I think the stanced cars in this thread look goofy as hell. I sure hope that the owners don't give a shit what I think. If they do, that's pretty sad. Then again, strictly aesthetic mods are actually intended for the consumption by the public. So the desire for public acceptance is implied in their very existence. At some level, people laughing at the cars is not satisfying that inner urge to impress.

(I'm pretty sure CTS-V Wagons don't qualify as a sub-culture, even. There's like 3 of us. :) )

[heavyD]

Originally posted by DeleriousZ

Hellaflush/slammed is not a new trend, it's just new to north america.

LOL you mean it's new to Canada. Hispanics in the US have been contributing to the stereotypes for years now.

[DeleriousZ]

Originally posted by Buster
It's a fascinating example of sub-culture group think leading to hilarity.

You see it in other ways. Off the top of my head:

- giant donut ear-rings to create huge ear holes (the bigger the better!)
- dumb looking tattoos.
- ricers
- cosplay/LARP
- college fraternities
- Bieber hair


I could go on.

I love that when someone doesn't agree with something, or doesn't understand it, they have to go out of their way to put it down. Pretty sure myself and everyone I know that has slammed cars/stretched tires don't fall into any of the categories listed above.


tantamount

damn a big word, you must be smart.

Anyway... it's not really worth arguing over the internet, everyone has their own tastes, it just shows what kind of person they are by how they deal with each others' opinions. I'm out.

http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/wsg/image/1339/46/1339464040829.gif

[Sugarphreak]

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[klumsy_tumbler]

Extreme camber makes the car like it's squatting to pee...

After my boyfriend made that analogy to me, I have never been able to look at one of those cars with a straight face again haha

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

I personally like a well stanced vehicle that isnt super low, but I can appreciate someone who puts a lot of work in to slam their vehicle. S14SR20ZENKI's car is really close to my personal perfect stance, my own car with summer wheels and tires with stock suspension is close, but id like to go about 8mm lower if I could.

[Hallowed_point]

I have 295's on a 9.5" ..I prefer lot's o tire. I can appreciate stanced vehicles to a certain extent but I'm not a fan of crazy camber or an inch of rim lip sticking past the tire :dunno::nut:

[ercchry]

255s on 10.5j and 9.5j rims, no rear camber (duh, solid axle) front has just the natural camber from dropping it a couple inches


http://i.imgur.com/aN5Oo.jpg

perfect for a daily. scrap exhaust on speed bumps some times though

[Sugarphreak]

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[GS430]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


I got 315 on 10”, haha

Waiting for JZS_147 to come in and shit on y'alllllllllllllllllllllll :bigpimp:

[ercchry]

Originally posted by GS430


Waiting for JZS_147 to come in and shit on y'alllllllllllllllllllllll :bigpimp:

psh, he's driving a gay wagon now

[jzz30dk]

Haters gonna hate. Im going with more stretch and camber this time.

[ercchry]

Originally posted by jzz30dk
Haters gonna hate. Im going with more stretch and camber this time.

then make it a prefect car... then right after its perfect part it out?! ;)

[jzz30dk]

you know me all to well eric. This time ill ignore the wisper in my ear that says pull the motor.

[JZS_147]

Originally posted by GS430


Waiting for JZS_147 to come in and shit on y'alllllllllllllllllllllll :bigpimp:

325 tire stretched onto my 13" wide rear

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8449/7983970681_c2f691671a_c.jpg



My other daily isn't as aggressive of fitment, but lower.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8327/8075227119_6683860f75_c.jpg

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8023/7584690444_be1ea908ce_c.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7263/7727646018_c1ee6e9251_c.jpg

[JZS_147]

Originally posted by ercchry


psh, he's driving a gay wagon now


sold the wagon. I have a douche BMW now for a winter beater

[JZS_147]

Originally posted by jzz30dk
you know me all to well eric. This time ill ignore the wisper in my ear that says pull the motor.

Yes, you will listen to the whisper in your ear again, and not pussy out this time.

:poosie:

[ercchry]

Originally posted by JZS_147



sold the wagon. I have a douche BMW now for a winter beater

check your email!

[JZS_147]

Originally posted by Buster


It's just another trend that people will laugh at in 5 years.

Here's my car from 5 years ago

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5185/5641223374_2637c7cc68_z.jpg

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww187/jzs_147/147/P1000678.jpg

[Buster]

You guys made it in at number 5, and number 1!!

http://jalopnik.com/5975175/the-internets-worst-car-advice

:P

[962 kid]

Originally posted by JZS_147


Here's my car from 5 years ago

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5185/5641223374_2637c7cc68_z.jpg

http://i718.photobucket.com/albums/ww187/jzs_147/147/P1000678.jpg

so he's right on schedule :rofl:

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by 962 kid


so he's right on schedule :rofl:

Zing! :rofl:

[ercchry]

yeah, Jimmy is such a hipster

[Gary@UrbanX]

Originally posted by JZS_147



sold the wagon. I am a douche now with BMW a winter beater


Didn't you mean to type this Jimmy?
:thumbsup: :rofl: :thumbsup: :rofl:

[ercchry]

Originally posted by Gary@UrbanX



Didn't you mean to type this Jimmy?
:thumbsup: :rofl: :thumbsup: :rofl:

he ment to write "i broke my new BMW beater already and have over 2 weeks to wait for parts and had to borrow a car as a winter beater" :poosie:

[JZS_147]

Originally posted by Gary@UrbanX



Didn't you mean to type this Jimmy?
:thumbsup: :rofl: :thumbsup: :rofl:

Thanks for that correction! Now I can finally roll with you and Court haha. :poosie:

[JZS_147]

Originally posted by 962 kid


so he's right on schedule :rofl:


OOOOOOOOOoooOOoOOoOOOOOOOOOO




burn

[JZS_147]

Originally posted by ercchry


he ment to write "i broke my new BMW beater already and have over 2 weeks to wait for parts and had to borrow a car as a winter beater" :poosie:


Yeah, i should have bought a GM diesel truck with over 400+k on it instead, because those never break! :rofl:

[ercchry]

Originally posted by JZS_147



Yeah, i should have bought a GM diesel truck with over 400+k on it instead, because those never break! :rofl:

speaking of... what broke?

[ercchry]

oh... blew a hole in a coolant line. parts will be in tomorrow... ohhh... how about your car? huh? :poosie:

[X_EVO_X]

With cars has it not always been do what you like? People are always telling me lower the shit out of my car but I dont really want to be replacing lips every year, or the undertray/engine cover for that matter. So I leave it stock ride height for now. I think the people that slam these cars are aware that they can put it back the way it was or change it so who cares..? If thats what they like that whats the like. Its not a debate about right or a wrong.

[Buster]

Originally posted by X_EVO_X
With cars has it not always been do what you like? People are always telling me lower the shit out of my car but I dont really want to be replacing lips every year, or the undertray/engine cover for that matter. So I leave it stock ride height for now. I think the people that slam these cars are aware that they can put it back the way it was or change it so who cares..? If thats what they like that whats the like. Its not a debate about right or a wrong.

Your right to do what you want isn't mutually exclusive from my right to make fun of it.

:)

[Ukyo8]

BXMyOSHAqd8

[DeleriousZ]

Frame bangin' fabel is my fucking hero.

Replace cracked windshield because you hit too many things? Hell no, zip tie that shit!

http://i1232.photobucket.com/albums/ff366/MylesCTaylor/shows/FABELwindshieldzipties.jpg

bring on the hate lol