Another new Husky 94 OCT. SW

[JAYMEZ]

Down bowtrail by Westbrook mall , new Husky opened with 94 oct. Thought you guys would want to know if you live in S.W.

Ill get the address tommorow when i go fill up :D

Make a sticky please

[ryder_23]

NICE :thumbsup:

thanks james

[heavyD]

Arghhh!!! When is the Northwest going to get 94?:banghead:

[VWhooligan]

Originally posted by JAYMEZ_STi
Down bowtrail by Westbrook mall , new Husky opened with 94 oct. Thought you guys would want to know if you live in S.W.


sweet! thats my neck of the woods.

[Speed_Dreams]

Sweet...thats right by my work!...they must have JUST gotten it. NICE!!!

[Ichigo]

I noticed a cheveron near Barlow and 32nd... by the hooters.. I wonder if they serve high octane gas there.. Or even gas...

[davidI]

Originally posted by Speed_Dreams
Sweet...thats right by my work!...they must have JUST gotten it. NICE!!!

They just renovated the place so it's a new addition. It's been under construction for the last few months.

[nosegrindR]

Finally, more spoiles for the filthy rich folk in SW

[JAYMEZ]

Lol Nose

[max_boost]

Originally posted by heavyD
Arghhh!!! When is the Northwest going to get 94?:banghead: There is a Huskey Station in Sandstone but whether it carries 94 octane or not, I am unsure.

[googe]

nah, these are the only 2 huskys with 94.
and theres only the 1 mohawk with 94.

us NW folk are SOL for a while yet

[redline]

Gas is CHEAP at the Bow trail Husky! 61.9 this am!:burnout:

[Ben]

58.9 at most places I've seen! ABOUT TIME!

[kevie88]

Awesome! 94 octane less than 1 minute from my house!

[rc2002]

Does this Husky have the same $2.00 off coupon for the 94 Octane? I've only filled up at the Macleod trail Husky since I found out they have a $2 coupon behind the counter...

[redline]

Originally posted by Ben
58.9 at most places I've seen! ABOUT TIME!

I filled up at 69.7 last nite:banghead:

[Ben]

Originally posted by redline


I filled up at 69.7 last nite:banghead:

thats the shits!

[ZorroAMG]

70.4 last night for 94oct on Mac.

[sandman]

:banghead: damnit, we need 94 in the nw

[itsnotaDUB]

38th ST and bow trail.. 24hr.. 94 octain

[nosegrindR]

Originally posted by itsnotaDUB
38th ST and bow trail.. 24hr.. 94 octain

it's 24 hour now!! that's sick they used to close at 8pm

[Ek9Max]

do you find poor gas milage on husky/mohawk gas?

I always found esso to have the best milage.

[nosegrindR]

Originally posted by Ek9Max
doy ou find less poor gas milage on husky/mohawk gas?

I always foudn esso to have the best milage.

holy spelling, batman

[corolla_phil]

i am from penticton bc, i went up to alberta this summer, i got from westbank to lake louise and still had half a tank on chevron 94 octane, on husky i got from lake louise to revelstoke on the same amout of gas going down the hill. i am moving up to alberta this summer, so i hope there is a chevron

[Ben]

I think I get about 50-75km less per tank on husky, but the car runs better *shrug*

[davidI]

Originally posted by nosegrindR


holy spelling, batman

I love the fact he edited his post yet still spelled mileage wrong. :D

[Akagi Redsuns]

Originally posted by corolla_phil
snip......i am moving up to alberta this summer, so i hope there is a chevron

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but I have yet to see a single Chevron gas station in Alberta.

[2.0turbo]

Yah, sorry man, no techron for you. guess you'll have to run a dirty engine like the rest of us Albertans. Too bad really, When I lived in BC I loved Chevron except for the super high price on 94 but I didn't drive a turbo then anyway.

[hyperwhite]

don't u guys have sunoco super 94 there?

[rage2]

Originally posted by hyperwhite
don't u guys have sunoco super 94 there?
Mohawk is the only place in Alberta that has 94 octane. It's limited to 3 stations in Calgary, and 1 in Grand Prairie.

[hyperwhite]

ouch, we got super 94 comming through our faucets :D jk. almost every sunoco in ontario has super 94

[speed_pro]

not here on the west coast
:dunno:

[hyperwhite]

i thought u guys had all the oil out there

[habsfan]

ya here in nf we got 94 octane, 93 octane, and u can find em everywhere

[crazydriver]

ya we need sum 94 in the NW, its such a pain driving down to the south to get sum good gas

[habsfan]

lol i dont mean to rub it in, but shit i could walk 2 minutes and be at a sunoco that sells super 94 octane.....it's seriously like around the corner and dow the street from my house

[rage2]

Originally posted by habsfan
lol i dont mean to rub it in, but shit i could walk 2 minutes and be at a sunoco that sells super 94 octane.....it's seriously like around the corner and dow the street from my house
Congratulations, you've won yourself a cookie! :thumbsup:

[habsfan]

Originally posted by rage2

Congratulations, you've won yourself a cookie! :thumbsup:

OH MY GOD IM SO HAPPY!!!
First of all, i'd like to thank god.......my mom, my dad, i finally did it guys!! all of my friends, and also, the people of the academy. im so grateful for thie cookie, and i dont knwo what else to say other than THANK YOU SO MUCH! :eek:

[ricosuave]

Originally posted by Ichigo
I noticed a cheveron near Barlow and 32nd... by the hooters.. I wonder if they serve high octane gas there.. Or even gas...

its a cardlock location - so unless youre buying your gas in 500l increments, no dice.

rico

[Holksvagon]

Where is the one in Grand Praire.. I have yet to see it....
Originally posted by rage2

Mohawk is the only place in Alberta that has 94 octane. It's limited to 3 stations in Calgary, and 1 in Grand Prairie.

[CSMRX7]

What is the normal high octain fuel in Calgary?

It would be good to tune my ECU before I get there.

Here the highest we have is 91 at regular staions, but beacuse of the altitude it acts like 94 (6000+ft)

[smin]

it's 91 in edmonton, i assume it's the same in calgary.

[rage2]

91 at most stations, 92 at all Husky/Mohawk, and at select husky/mohawk locations 94 octane.

[Holksvagon]

Originally posted by rage2

Mohawk is the only place in Alberta that has 94 octane. It's limited to 3 stations in Calgary, and 1 in Grand Prairie.

There is 1 Husky and 1 Mohawk in Grande Praire and trust me they do not have 94 octane

[rage2]

Originally posted by Holksvagon
There is 1 Husky and 1 Mohawk in Grande Praire and trust me they do not have 94 octane
:dunno:

Thats what I was told by the Husky/Mohawk rep.

[Holksvagon]

Who knows...

[p1j4k]

that kinda sucks.....
europeans are more lucky.....
regular is 95 octanes and premium is 98 .....

too bad we dont have that here

[googe]

Originally posted by p1j4k
that kinda sucks.....
europeans are more lucky.....
regular is 95 octanes and premium is 98 .....

too bad we dont have that here

youre thinking of RON, its a different measurement system used over there, we use what is called CLC octane ratings...

91 RON = 87 octane here

98 RON = 93 octane here

[QuasarCav]

Originally posted by p1j4k
that kinda sucks.....
europeans are more lucky.....
regular is 95 octanes and premium is 98 .....

too bad we dont have that here


too good we dont pay 1 british pound per litre!!!

My grandma was over here last month and we were all complaining about 88/litre.

[audio1der]

It pays to send polite emails, I guess!!

MACLEOD TRAIL HUSKY MARKET 4201 MACLEOD TRAIL SOUTH CALGARY AB
BOW TRAIL HUSKY MARKET 3824 BOW TRAIL S.W. CALGARY AB
ROBERTSON BULK SALES CALGARY 6811-52 ST.S.E. CALGARY AB
SOUTHILL MOHAWK CALGARY 8200 - 26 STREET S.E. CALGARY AB
ALDERGROVE HUSKY 26426 FRASER HIGHWAY ALDERGROVE BC
SOUTH CAMPBELL RIVER S/S 984 SOUTH ISLAND HIGHWAY CAMPBELL RIVER BC
NORTH CAMPBELL RIVER MOH 1830 ISLAND HIGHWAY NORTH CAMPBELL RIVER BC
CASSIDY MOHAWK VOWELS RD. & ISLAND HIGHWAY CASSIDY BC
COURTENAY MOHAWK 2350 CLIFF AVE. COURTENAY BC
YALE ROAD HUSKY 45900 YALE RD. CHILLIWACK BC
IVY GREEN HUSKY LAD 12615 TRANS CDA HIGHWAY LADYSMITH BC
BOWEN CENTRE MOHAWK #42, 1925 BOWEN RD. NANAIMO BC
PARKSVILLE HUSKY 650 EAST ISLAND HIGHWAY PARKSVILLE BC
QUADRA VICTORIA 2100 QUADRA STREET VICTORIA BC
SOUTH PARKWAY NANAIMO 1271 SOUTH ISLAND HIGHWAY NANAIMO BC
7 ELEVEN MOHAWK 6201 BLUEBACK RD. NANAIMO BC
CANORA ROAD MOHAWK SIDNE 9429 CANORA ROAD SIDNEY BC
PORT ALBERNI HUSKY 3714-3RD.AVE. PORT ALBERNI BC
BIG ROCK HUSKY 906 SOUTH ISLAND HIGHWAY CAMPBELL RIVER BC
CHILLIWACK GAS BAR 45736 OLD YALE RD CHILLIWACK BC
LICKMAN ROAD HUSKY 8032 LICKMAN ROAD CHILLIWACK BC
CHILLIWACK HUSKY 8845 YOUNG RD. CHILLIWACK BC
LOUGHEED HUSKY 685 LOUGHEED HWY COQUITLAM BC
CLEARBROOK HUSKY 31648 S. FRASER WAY CLEARBROOK BC
AUTOGAS PROPANE 8551 CAPSTAN WAY RICHMOND BC
AUTOGAS PROPANE 3390 LK CITY WY BURNABY BC
HUSKY FOOD STORE 1135 CLIFF AVE COURTENAY BC
SUMAS HUSKY UNIT 15, 2047 SUMAS WAY ABBOTSFORD BC
AIRPORT HUSKY MARKET 9060 BRIDGEPORT ROAD RICHMOND BC
BRADNER ROAD MOHAWK 28761 FRASER HIGHWAY ALDERGROVE BC
BRUNETTE NEW WESTMINSTER 465 BRUNETTE AVE. NEW WESTMINSTER BC
CASCADES BURNABY 3826 CANADA WAY BURNABY BC
CEDAR HILLS MOHAWK 10178 128TH STREET SURREY BC
COTTONWOOD MOHAWK 45450 LUCKAKUCK WAY SARDIS BC
COMO LAKE COQUITLAM 603 CLARKE ROAD COQUITLAM BC
CLOVERDALE MOHAWK 5604-175TH STREET SURREY BC
EDMONDS MOHAWK 7274 CANADA WAY BURNABY BC
HOLDOM BURNABY 5720 EAST HASTINGS ST. BURNABY BC
HOPE MOHAWK 63880 FLOOD-HOPE RD. HOPE BC
KENNEDY HEIGHTS DELTA 8781 - 120 STREET DELTA BC
KING GEORGE MOHAWK SURRE 3531 KING GEORGE HWY SURREY BC
SCOTSDALE HUSKY 11996 - 70 AVENUE DELTA BC
TILBURY HUSKY CTR 7389 RIVER ROAD DELTA BC
HI-LO FUELS LTD 11614-96 AVE. DELTA BC
MCCALLUM ROAD MOHAWK 1989 MCCALLUM ROAD ABBOTSFORD BC
MAPLE RIDGE STOP N SHOP 22882 DEWDNEY TRUNK ROAD MAPLE RIDGE BC
NORTH SURREY MOHAWK 15970 - 96 AVENUE SURREY BC
NORTH VANCOUVER MOHAWK 351 WEST 3RD STREET NORTH VANCOUVER BC
ORCHARD PARK MOHAWK 46287 YALE ROAD CHILLIWACK BC
OAK STREET VANCOUVER 1010 WEST KING EDWARD VANCOUVER BC
OLD YALE ROAD MOHAWK 34515 OLD YALE ROAD ABBOTSFORD BC
MOUNT SEYMOUR MOHAWK UNIT 140-3662 MT.SEYMOUR PKWY NORTH VANCOUVER BC
PORT KELLS MOHAWK 19889 -96 AVENUE LANGLEY BC
GRANDVIEW STOP N SHOP VA 2120 GRANDVIEW HWY VANCOUVER BC
POWELL STREET MOHAWK 1955 POWELL STREET VANCOUVER BC
RALEIGH PORT COQUITLAM 2649 LOUGHEED HWY PORT COQUITLAM BC
CLEVELAND HUSKY 38183 CLEVELAND AVE SQUAMISH BC
SARDIS MOHAWK 5977 VEDDER ROAD SARDIS BC
TOWN AND COUNTRY MOHAWK 750 LOUGHEED HIGHWAY COQUITLAM BC
WESTMINSTER CARWASH 716 - 12 STREET NEW WESTMINSTER BC
VALLEYVIEW SURREY 6191 KING GEORGE HWY SURREY BC
VICTORIA DRIVE VANCOUVER 4933 VICTORIA DRIVE VANCOUVER BC
WILLINGDON BURNABY 975 WILLINGDON AVE BURNABY BC
WILLOWBROOK LANGLEY 6295-200TH STREET LANGLEY BC
JAY'S FLOOD HOPE SRVC COMP 1 RR2 HOPE BC
LANGLEY FOOD STORE 19811 FRASER HWY LANGLEY BC
HUSKY FS & SERV. CTR. 19982 - 56 AVENUE LANGLEY BC
LADYSMITH HUSKY 13627 CEDAR RD. RR#3 LADYSMITH BC
MERRITT HUSKY TRAVEL CENTRE 3999 AIRPORT RD. MERRIT BC
HATZIC HUSKY 36671 LOUGHEED HWY. MISSION BC
SILVERDALE HUSKY 29684 LOUGHEED HWY MISSION BC
CEDAR STREET HUSKY 9072 CEDAR STREET MISSION BC
NORTHRIDGE GAS BAR #10-5800 TURNER RD. NANAIMO BC
SEAVIEW HUSKY 76 NORTH TERMINAL AVE. NANAIMO BC
PORT MOODY HUSKY 3001 ST. JOHNS ST. PORT MOODY BC
STEVE'S HUSKY 8011 NO. 3 ROAD RICHMOND BC
SQUAMISH HUSKY 1814 GARIBALDI WAY GARIBALDI HIGHLANDS BC
PORT KELLS HUSKY 19186 96 AVE SURREY BC
SCOTT ROAD HUSKY 7812 120 ST SURREY BC
CLAYTON HILLS HUSKY 18398 FRASER HIGHWAY SURREY BC
SURREY HUSKY 7999 KING GEORGE HIGHWAY SURREY BC
TSAWWASSEN HUSKY 1467-56 ST. DELTA BC
MATSQUI VILLAGE HUSKY 5611 RIVERSIDE RD MATSQUI BC
HUSKY VICTORIA DRIVE 6806 VICTORIA DRIVE VANCOUVER BC
70TH & MARINE HUSKY SRVC 750 WEST 70TH AVE VANCOUVER BC
WHISTLER HUSKY MKT HWY 99 & 2101 WHISTLER BC
NORTH MAIN WINNIPEG 1656 MAIN ST WINNIPEG MB:poosie: :poosie:

[rage2]

Originally posted by audio1der
ROBERTSON BULK SALES CALGARY 6811-52 ST.S.E. CALGARY AB
Woohoo 4th location! Interesting that it's right by the illegal street races! ;)

[///M3]

wow thats alot of BCs

[audio1der]

In the CS's email, they said there are 3 retail locations; not sure if Robertson sells to the public or not.
It would seem strange that they'd have 94 and not tho...:thumbsdow
EDIT- just phoned them; cardlock only, and no they don't carry 94
Stupid list, leading us on...:cry:

[JustinL]

Quesque Fuck? Why is it taking so long to get that stuff to Edmonton pumps?

[chibi_chas]

we need 94 in edmonton

[heavyD]

Originally posted by chibi_chas
we need 94 in edmonton

Only if it isn't that ethanol based shit. Honestly that Mohawk/Husky gas is pure crap no matter what octane. People can hype 94 octane all they want but here are the facts on ethanol based gas:

ethanol = lower btu fuel = less power right off the bat
ethanol = lower btu fuel = ecu retards timing = less power
ethanol = lower btu fuel = poorer fuel economy
ethanol = lower btu fuel = cylinder misfires (bad) & possibly CEL codes
ethanol = lower btu fuel = most auto manufacturers don't recomend

The only plus being the higher octane rating which means if you have a turbocharged car you can turn up the boost a few psi which should give you more power but not necessarily because your ecu retards your timing when you put that shit in your car anyway. It's the only gas that has ever caused CEL's in both of my last two cars for random cylinder misfires. If you want gas that's good for your daily driver for god's sake use Esso or Shell 91 as they are both superior and better for your engine.:whipped:

[googe]

Originally posted by heavyD

ethanol = lower btu fuel = less power right off the bat
ethanol = lower btu fuel = ecu retards timing = less power
ethanol = lower btu fuel = poorer fuel economy
ethanol = lower btu fuel = cylinder misfires (bad) & possibly CEL codes
ethanol = lower btu fuel = most auto manufacturers don't recomend


Haha, way to be redundant in your statements to make it look like theres more reasons not to use it.

Anyway, I think the only thing accurate there, is the lower fuel economy. Feel free to back up the others, cause I call BS on most of that.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by googe


Haha, way to be redundant in your statements to make it look like theres more reasons not to use it.

Anyway, I think the only thing accurate there, is the lower fuel economy. Feel free to back up the others, cause I call BS on most of that.

Why would I go into details with a person who doesn't understand what BTU means as well as how ECU's function. I'm stating facts. Please disprove them if you can. Explain to me how a lower BTU fuel can make more power than a higher BTU fuel. Explain to me how lower BTU fuel can't cause misfires. Explain to me why most auto manufaturers doen't recomend ethanol based fuels. Explain to me how a modern ECU functions. If you're gonna call BS please provide reasons or shut your trap.:rolleyes:

[heavyD]

Originally posted by heavyD


Why would I go into details with a person who doesn't understand what BTU means as well as how ECU's function. I'm stating facts. Please disprove them if you can. Explain to me how a lower BTU fuel can make more power than a higher BTU fuel. Explain to me how lower BTU fuel can't cause misfires (if you know what a misfire is). Explain to me why most auto manufaturers doen't recomend ethanol based fuels. Explain to me how a modern ECU functions. If you're gonna call BS please provide reasons or shut your trap.:rolleyes:

[googe]

Originally posted by heavyD


Why would I go into details with a person who doesn't understand what BTU means as well as how ECU's function. I'm stating facts. Please disprove them if you can. Explain to me how a lower BTU fuel can make more power than a higher BTU fuel. Explain to me how lower BTU fuel can't cause misfires. Explain to me why most auto manufaturers doen't recomend ethanol based fuels. Explain to me how a modern ECU functions. If you're gonna call BS please provide reasons or shut your trap.:rolleyes:

Who said anything about a person that doesnt understand what BTU means or how ECUs function? Do you just decide what people do and dont know before they say anything? Your statements were ignorant, so I didnt want to bother, but here goes

First of all, BTU is essentially a measurement of how much fuel one has to burn to produce a given output.

Ethanol has a lower BTU as you said, which will obviously cause a decrease in mileage, as you need to burn more of it to produce the same power. In this sense every combustion cycle will indeed produce less power.

Now, speaking of "how modern ECUs work", you should know its not as simple as that. That is not the only way to increase power. If you have a non-ethanol blend with a 91 AKI and an ethanol blend with 94 AKI, the combustion of the mixture will be producing more on the 91, but your ability to advance ignition timing as well as increase compression will allow you to recover that power, and then some. Because husky 94 is obviously only of interest to people with performance vehicles, the fact that they are using it to take advantage of higher compression and/or advanced timing should be a given. No, husky 94 is not a good idea for moms grocery getter.

And I havent seen auto manufacturers not recommending ethanol blended fuels for years now. As for an explanation why they didnt previously, well that had nothing to do with anything we just talked about. That was because alcohol oxygenates (read: ethanol) can cause certain seals to dry and crack prematurely.

As for misfires, I have never heard of this being an issue other than cold starts in rare cases, because of the decreased volatility (which is its double-edged sword, its the decreased volatility you take advantage of to gain more power). A misfire during a cold start isnt going to have an adverse affect on your ECUs performance at all. If it were to happen on the highway, yes that would be bad, but its not an issue. I even doubt cold start misfires were a significant problem, some old lady probably put husky 94 in her low compression n/a beater that wants regular 87 and got a CEL once. :D Thats just speculation though I guess

[heavyD]

Here we go,

First of all, BTU is essentially a measurement of how much fuel one has to burn to produce a given output.
Wrong. The british thermal unit is a measurement of the heat energy in a given fuel. It has nothing to do with quantity of fuel. Lower BTU means that the fuel creates less energy. Less energy = less power, end of story.

Ethanol has a lower BTU as you said, which will obviously cause a decrease in mileage, as you need to burn more of it to produce the same power. In this sense every combustion cycle will indeed produce less power.
Which means you are running richer than stoichiometric which means lower efficiency. You said the combustion cycle will create less power, which means the power stroke cycle makes less power, which means.........

Now, speaking of "how modern ECUs work", you should know its not as simple as that. That is not the only way to increase power. If you have a non-ethanol blend with a 91 AKI and an ethanol blend with 94 AKI, the combustion of the mixture will be producing more on the 91, but your ability to advance ignition timing as well as increase compression will allow you to recover that power, and then some. Because husky 94 is obviously only of interest to people with performance vehicles, the fact that they are using it to take advantage of higher compression and/or advanced timing should be a given. No, husky 94 is not a good idea for moms grocery getter.
If you have cam gears and a standalone ECU maybe but for people with factory ECU's with or without piggyback controllers and their base timing set at factory marks, the ECU WILL retard ignition timing to compensate for the lower energy produced in the ignition stroke. We want timing advanced as far as safely possible to make power right. Remember that fuel trims also come into play and you want to keep the long term and short term fuel trims as close to 0% as possible which is impossible to do with Ethanol blended gas.

And I havent seen auto manufacturers not recommending ethanol blended fuels for years now. As for an explanation why they didnt previously, well that had nothing to do with anything we just talked about. That was because ether oxygenates (read: ethanol) can cause certain seals to dry and crack prematurely.
It's not due to just seals. My 98 Eclipse says that you can use 10% max Ethanol based fuel PROVIDING the octane rating meets or PREFFERABLY exceeds the octane requirement of the vehicle. You are right in that it doensn't say you can't but it also states the octane rating should be higher to compensate for poorer combustion qualities of the fuel.

As for misfires, I have never heard of this being an issue other than cold starts in rare cases, because of the decreased volatility (which is its double-edged sword, its the decreased volatility you take advantage of to gain more power). A misfire during a cold start isnt going to have an adverse affect on your ECUs performance at all. If it were to happen on the highway, yes that would be bad, but its not an issue. I even doubt cold start misfires were a significant problem, some old lady probably put husky 94 in her low compression n/a beater that wants regular 87 and got a CEL once. :D Thats just speculation though I guess.
The only time I EVER got the "random misfire in cyl #x" code was using Husky 94 in my Eclipse as well as Mohawk 92 once in my Delsol (which were both modded cars). This is a big problem in any modded car like my Eclipse that has lower compression due to my agressive HKS cam profile and that fact that it is turbocharged which means it doesn't have Honda like compression ratings to begin with (only 8.5:1). I actually have heard stories in the states when a new ethanol based gas station opens up and all of a sudden dealers are flooded with CEL and when the owners switched back the problems were gone.

Listen. It is not my intention to start a flame war. I am just tired of people wetting their pants about the 94 grade Husky fuels. It may have a nice octane rating but it only masks the fuels shortcoming which outweigh the 94 octane rating. You guys that love it, fine, as i am not going to change your mind. I'm just letting other people know that there are better alternatives.

[rage2]

ahh, gotta love the Ethanol myths ;).

While some of heavyd's claims are true, the higher knock threshold of Mohawk/Husky's fuel still outweighs the negatives IF you can tune your car, AND if you can increase cylinder pressure to the point where it can reach the knock limits of the fuel.

Yes ethanol fuels contains less energy than non ethanol blends. It means that if you fill up with 89 octane husky vs 89 octane Shell, you'll get more power with shell fuel, as well as better fuel economy, since you need less throttle to make the same power to maintain your normal speeds.

Misfires? I think there's something wrong with your motor there heavyD. Or your tuning. Wait... you're a DSM'er... you don't tune... just turn up the boost! ;)

Maybe check your spark plugs, or your plug gaps, but if ethanol blended fuel is introducing misfires on your motor, there's something wrong with your setup. Maybe your plugs are of the wrong heat range? Remember, using ethanol blended fuels lowers combustion temps, as well as EGT's, so maybe your plugs are off by one range and getting fouled?

If you read back on posts that I've made regarding the 94 octane fuel, I've recommended stock cars NOT to use it because of fuel economy reasons.

Retarding timing because you use ethanol blended fuels on a stock car? Maybe at first, when the ECU fuel trims gets re-adjusted because the car's running lean and introducing knock at part throttle. Once the fuel trims are recalibrated for the fuel, timing would IMPROVE (assuming it was pulled back on the previous fuel). At our altitudes, you'll rarely see 0% long term trim on stock OBD2 cars.

Finally, if you think that Mohawk 94 will make less power than Shell 91 on a car tuned for both fuels, you really need to get on a dyno and tune for both fuels. Shell91, I'll run a max of 12psi. Mohawk 94 at 12psi will be off by about 5whp, but it can sustain 15psi, which more than makes up for it.

But hey, numbers speak for itself:

12psi Shell 91 dyno run at knock threshold (http://www.virgeweb.com/rage2/944t/20040504-12psi951-28mustangdyno1.jpg)

15psi Mohawk/Husky 94 dyno run at knock threshold (http://www.virgeweb.com/rage2/dyno/rage2_951_dyno_15psi2.jpg)

[googe]

Originally posted by heavyD
Here we go,

xxxWrong. The british thermal unit is a measurement of the heat energy in a given fuel. It has nothing to do with quantity of fuel. Lower BTU means that the fuel creates less energy. Less energy = less power, end of story.xxx

Dont you realize those mean the exact same thing? Its the measurement of heat energy in a fuel. That has everything to do with quantity of fuel required to achieve a given output. That means if you have a lower BTU you have to burn more to release the same amount of energy as a smaller quantity of a higher btu fuel.

to be more specific it is the amount of heat energy needed to raise the temperature of one pound of water by one degree F when the temp of the water is 32.9 degrees. as a simple example, say you wanted to raise the temperature of water 5 degrees. you could use a 5 BTU fuel, or use 5 times as much of a 1 BTU fuel. higher quantity to acheive the same result, due to less heat energy in the weaker fuel.

Originally posted by heavyD

xxxWhich means you are running richer than stoichiometric which means lower efficiency. You said the combustion cycle will create less power, which means the power stroke cycle makes less power, which means.........xxx

sure, thats what i just said. less power from the combustion cycle, we both agree on this. my point was that you make up for this loss by taking advantage of the higher knock. although i think youre out to lunch on the running richer part, your ecu will maintain stoic regardless, which is a static number. it doesnt know you have ethanol in there so its going to maintain the same stoic a/f regardless

Originally posted by heavyD

xxxIf you have cam gears and a standalone ECU maybe but for people with factory ECU's with or without piggyback controllers and their base timing set at factory marks, the ECU WILL retard ignition timing to compensate for the lower energy produced in the ignition stroke. We want timing advanced as far as safely possible to make power right. Remember that fuel trims also come into play and you want to keep the long term and short term fuel trims as close to 0% as possible which is impossible to do with Ethanol blended gas.xxx

well, we DO have cam gears and standalones and piggybacks and boost controllers to take advantage of this. of course a stock car isnt going to capitalize on a higher octane fuel than its intended for. the reason we are "wetting our pants" is because we have configurations that take advantage of it. if you can increase your boost by 2 psi you more than offset the loss from the weaker combustion.

the point of ethanol 94 isnt to put it in a stock car as magic horsepower juice, just like it isnt for any other 94 octane fuel.

as for retarding timing because of the decreased power...what are you talking about :dunno: that doesnt make sense to me, it sounds just plain wrong. moderns ecus will advance timing, because the knock threshold is higher.

Originally posted by heavyD

xxxIt's not due to just seals. My 98 Eclipse says that you can use 10% max Ethanol based fuel PROVIDING the octane rating meets or PREFFERABLY exceeds the octane requirement of the vehicle. You are right in that it doensn't say you can't but it also states the octane rating should be higher to compensate for poorer combustion qualities of the fuel.xxx

well, husky 94
a) is 10%
AND b) exceeds the octane requirements for the vehicle

Originally posted by heavyD

Listen. It is not my intention to start a flame war. I am just tired of people wetting their pants about the 94 grade Husky fuels. It may have a nice octane rating but it only masks the fuels shortcoming which outweigh the 94 octane rating. You guys that love it, fine, as i am not going to change your mind. I'm just letting other people know that there are better alternatives.

better alternatives? not really. i mean we could carry around toluene and drop it in every tank, but thats not so practical. this is the best we got. sure its not the be-all-end-all, and a non-ethanol 94 is clearly better, but we dont have that option.

[rage2]

Originally posted by googe
well, husky 94
a) is 10%
AND b) exceeds the octane requirements for the vehicle
It's actually around 3% for 94 octane, as compared to 4-5% for 92 octane. The 94 blend starts with a better fuel, and needs less ethanol to raise the octane up to the 94 mark. Info from a Husky engineer I spoke with a while ago.

[googe]

Originally posted by rage2

It's actually around 3% for 94 octane, as compared to 4-5% for 92 octane. The 94 blend starts with a better fuel, and needs less ethanol to raise the octane up to the 94 mark. Info from a Husky engineer I spoke with a while ago.

oh, cool. even better then :) i have a doc that says their premium plus uses 10% in alberta and BC but its dated 1997. glad its not that far off a real 94 now.

[JCX]

I don't know if this deserves it's own thread, but it appears that the Mohawk on 14th St SW has Husky 94. They just renovated and have the new pumps.

I'm not exactly sure what avenue it's on, but it's about a few blocks South of 16th ave. Right by the Regal Beagle. There is a carwash as well.

:drama: :hitit: :whocares:

[Tha VZA]

Originally posted by ZorroAMG
70.4 last night for 94oct on Mac.

are you guys talking cents a litre?
i filled last night at 82.7

regular


yeesh

[sexy_sunshine]

My dad's Husky on Sunvalley Blvd is currently going through renovations........I asked him whether or not we are getting 94 octone, he thinks we are but is going to double check.........make that maybe another SE location with 94!

[silky]

theres LOT more :bigpimp:

[2002civic]

Originally posted by Tha VZA


are you guys talking cents a litre?
i filled last night at 82.7

regular


yeesh
did u notice that was posted like 6 months ago too?

[sexy_sunshine]

It's Official........Husky in Sundance (75 Sun Valley BLVD) WILL have 94 OCTANE!

[wrxmat]

i live in new england and i cant find 94.... hmmmm

[lude_grl]

there is a 94 octane on 16th ave,, near peters
WHE!
:burnout:

[zboost]

Originally posted by max_boost
There is a Huskey Station in Sandstone but whether it carries 94 octane or not, I am unsure.
no it dosent i think it has 92 not 94

[JAYMEZ]

Originally posted by wrxmat
i live in new england and i cant find 94.... hmmmm


Why would you want 94? Isnt your crappy gas better than 94 , where I come from in Sheffield , everything is high 90's

[rage2]

Our octane measurements are different than theirs. In europe, the octane # is research octane #. In North America, its an average of research octane and motor octane (RON+MON/2).

[C4S]

Originally posted by rage2
Our octane measurements are different than theirs. In europe, the octane # is research octane #. In North America, its an average of research octane and motor octane (RON+MON/2).

um .. so .. how do we convert it ? if oct 94 here, is like what oct # over there ? 96 ? 97 ? :confused:

[rage2]

You'd have to ask the fuel supplier for the RON numbers. We just get the average between the 2, called the AKI (anti-knock index).

For example, if husky 94 is 100RON and 88MON, it'd be 94AKI here and 100RON in europe. But if Husky is 103RON and 85MON, it'd still be 94AKI here but 103RON in europe.

[benyl]

From what I have heard, it is better to have a higher MON number than RON, is that correct?

Jamez, that guys is from new england... (USA)

[rage2]

MON is always lower than RON. MON is the stricter test.

[benyl]

Sorry, what I meant to say was given your example, the 94 octane with the 88 MON value will produce more power without knock than the 83 MON 94 octane fuel.

Does that make sense?

[Khyron]

And since it's lesson time, is Chevron in BC ethenol blend? If it's not, why doesn't AB Shell/Esso have non-eth 94?

Khyron

[benyl]

http://www.chevron.ca/ProductsServices/Retail/Gasolines.htm

[JAYMEZ]

so whos oil is better lol , MON or RON's? :D

[rage2]

Nothing to do with better. Each fuel has both a RON and MON rating. RON and MON are just industry standard octane testing and rating. We just use a different measurement. Kinda like difference between km/h and mph.

As for what makes more power, RON, MON, AKI ratings only tells you knock index. There are still tons of variables (oxygenated fuels, different aromatics, etc) that gives different power outputs for the same burn.

[Khyron]

Originally posted by benyl
http://www.chevron.ca/ProductsServices/Retail/Gasolines.htm

... all that talks about is the cleaning power of Techron - nothing is mentioned about how they increase the octane. My guess is they don't use Ethanol - but if that's the case, then my original question about why Esso and Shell do not remains. I vaguely remember reading that is was some governement rule on additives that limited higher octane fuels in AB. Fuk I wish Chevron would come here...

Khyron

[rage2]

Most companies don't use ethanol because of the bad rap it's had years ago with compatibility issues, older cars, retuning carbs, etc. Since then the amount is regulated, no more than 10% at the pumps.