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OU812
02-07-2013, 03:25 PM
Crazy shit goin on down there right now


http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2013/02/07/20561266.html


Here is his manifesto:

From: Christopher Jordan Dorner /7648

To: America

Subj: Last resort

Regarding CF# 07-004281

I know most of you who personally know me are in disbelief to hear from media reports that I am suspected of committing such horrendous murders and have taken drastic and shocking actions in the last couple of days. You are saying to yourself that this is completely out of character of the man you knew who always wore a smile wherever he was seen. I know I will be vilified by the LAPD and the media. Unfortunately, this is a necessary evil that I do not enjoy but must partake and complete for substantial change to occur within the LAPD and reclaim my name. The department has not changed since the Rampart and Rodney King days. It has gotten worse. The consent decree should never have been lifted. The only thing that has evolved from the consent decree is those officers involved in the Rampart scandal and Rodney King incidents have since promoted to supervisor, commanders, and command staff, and executive positions.

The question is, what would you do to clear your name?

Name;
A word or set of words by which a person, animal, place, or thing is known, addressed, or referred to.

Name Synonyms;
reputation, title, appellation, denomination, repute.

A name is more than just a noun, verb, or adjective. It’s your life, your legacy, your journey, sacrifices, and everything you’ve worked hard for every day of your life as and adolescent, young adult and adult. Don’t let anybody tarnish it when you know you’ve live up to your own set of ethics and personal ethos.

In 8/07 I reported an officer (Ofcr. XXXX/now a Sergeant), for kicking a suspect (excessive force) during a Use of Force while I was assigned as a patrol officer at LAPD’s Harbor Division. While cuffing the suspect, (XXXX), XXXX kicked the suspect twice in the chest and once in the face. The kick to the face left a visible injury on the left cheek below the eye. Unfortunately after reporting it to supervisors and investigated by PSB (internal affairs investigator Det. XXXX), nothing was done. I had broken their supposed “Blue Line”. Unfortunately, It’s not JUST US, it’s JUSTICE!!! In fact, 10 months later on 6/25/08, after already successfully completing probation, acquiring a basic Post Certificate, and Intermediate Post Certificate, I was relieved of duty by the LAPD while assigned to patrol at Southwest division. It is clear as day that the department retaliated toward me for reporting XXXX for kicking Mr. XXXX. The department stated that I had lied and made up the report that XXXX had kicked the suspect. I later went to a Board of Rights (department hearing for decision of continued employment) from 10/08 to 1/09. During this BOR hearing a video was played for the BOR panel where XXXX stated that he was indeed kicked by Officer XXXX (video sent to multiple news agencies). In addition to XXXX stating he was kicked, his father XXXX, also stated that his son had stated he was kicked by an officer when he was arrested after being released from custody. This was all presented for the department at the BOR hearing. They still found me guilty and terminated me. What they didn’t mention was that the BOR panel made up of Capt. XXXX, Capt. XXXX, and City Attorney XXXX had a significant problem from the time the board was assembled. Capt. XXXX was a personal friend of XXXX from when he was her supervisor at Harbor station. That is a clear conflict of interest and I made my argument for his removal early and was denied. The advocate for the LAPD BOR was Sgt. XXXX. XXXX also had a conflict of interest as she was XXXX friend and former partner from Harbor division where they both worked patrol together. I made my argument for her removal when I discovered her relation to XXXX and it was denied.

During the BOR, the department attempted to label me unsuccessfully as a bully. They stated that I had bullied a recruit, XXXX, in the academy when in reality and unfounded disposition from the official 1.28 formal complaint investigation found that I was the one who stood up for XXXX when other recruits sang nazi hitler youth songs about burning Jewish ghettos in WWII Germany where his father was a survivor of a concentration camp. How fucking dare you attempt to label me with such a nasty vile word. I ask that all earnest journalist investigating this story ask Ofcr. XXXX about the incident when Ofcr. XXXX began singing a nazi youth song about burning jewish ghettos.

The internal affairs investigation in the academy involving XXXX was spurned by a complaint that I had initiated toward two fellow recruit/offifcers. While assigned patrol footbeat in Hollywood Division, Officers XXXX and XXXX (both current LAPD officers) decided that they would voice their personal feelings about the black community. While traveling back to the station in a 12 passenger van I heard XXXX refer to another individual as a nigger. I wasn’t sure if I heard correctly as there were many conversations in the van that was compiled of at least 8 officers and he was sitting in the very rear and me in the very front. Even with the multiple conversations and ambient noise I heard Officer XXXX call an indivdual a nigger again. Now that I had confirmed it, I told XXXX not to use that word again. I explained that it was a well-known offensive word that should not be used by anyone. He replied, “I’ll say it when I want”. Officer XXXX, a friend of his, also stated that he would say nigger when he wanted. At that point I jumped over my front passenger seat and two other officers where I placed my hands around XXXXs’ neck and squeezed. I stated to XXXX, “Don’t fucking say that”. At that point there was pushing and shoving and we were separated by several other officers. What I should have done, was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and Officer XXXX’s skull. The Situation would have been resolved effective, immediately. The sad thing about this incident was that when Detective XXXX from internal affairs investigated this incident only (1) officer (unknown) in the van other than myself had statements constistent with what actually happened. The other six officers all stated they heard nothing and saw nothing. Shame on every one of you. Shame on Detective XXXX (same ethnicity as XXXX) for creating a separate 1.28 formal complaint against me (XXXX complaint) in retaliation for initiating the complaint against XXXX and XXXX. Don’t retaliate against honest officers for breaking your so-called blue line. I hope your son XXXX, who I knew, is a better officer than you, Detective XXXX. The saddest part of this ordeal was that Officer XXXX and XXXX were only given 22 day suspensions and are still LAPD officers to this day. That day, the LAPD stated that it is acceptable for fellow officers to call black officers niggers to their face and you will receive a slap on the wrist. Even sadder is that during that 22 day suspension XXXX and XXXX received is that the LAPPL (Los Angeles Police Protective League) paid the officers their salaries while they were suspended. When I took a two-day suspension for an accidental discharge, I took my suspension and never applied for a league salary. Its called integrity.

Journalist, I want you to investigate every location I resided in growing up. Find any incidents where I was ever accused of being a bully. You won’t, because it doesn’t exist. It’s not in my DNA. Never was. I was the only black kid in each of my elementary school classes from first grade to seventh grade in junior high and any instances where I was disciplined for fighting was in response to fellow students provoking common childhood schoolyard fights, or calling me a nigger or other derogatory racial names. I grew up in neighborhoods where blacks make up less than 1%. My first recollection of racism was in the first grade at Norwalk Christian elementary school in Norwalk, CA. A fellow student, XXXX if I can recall, called me a nigger on the playground. My response was swift and non-lethal. I struck him fast and hard with a punch an kick. He cried and reported it to a teacher. The teacher reported it to the principal. The principal swatted XXXX for using a derogatory word toward me. He then for some unknown reason swatted me for striking XXXX in response to him calling me a nigger. He stated as good Christians we are to turn the other cheek as Jesus did. Problem is, I’m not a fucking Christian and that old book, made of fiction and limited non-fiction, called the bible, never once stated Jesus was called a nigger. How dare you swat me for standing up for my rights for demanding that I be treated as an equal human being. That day I made a life decision that i will not tolerate racial derogatory terms spoken to me. Unfortunately I was swatted multiple times for the same exact reason up until junior high. Terminating me for telling the truth of a Caucasian officer kicking a mentally ill man is disgusting. Don’t ever call me a fucking bully. I want all journalist to utilize every source you have that specializes in collections for your reports. With the discovery and evidence available you will see the truth. Unfortunately, I will not be alive to see my name cleared. That’s what this is about, my name. A man is nothing without his name. Below is a list of locations where I resided from childhood to adulthood.

Cerritos, CA.
Pico Rivera, CA.
La Palma, CA.
Thousand Oaks, CA.
Cedar City, UT.
Pensacola, FL.
Enid, OK.
Yorba Linda, CA.
Las Vegas, NV.

During the BOR an officer named, Sgt. XXXX, from Los Angeles Port Police testified on behalf of the LAPD. XXXX stated for the BOR that he arrived at the location of the UOF shortly before I cuffed the suspect. He also stated that he assisted in cuffing the suspect and that’s old the BOR he told me to fix my tie. All of those statements were LIES!!! XXXX, you arrived at the UOF location up to 30 seconds after I had cuffed Mr.XXXX. All you did was help me lift the suspect to his feet as it was difficult for me to do by myself because of his heavy weight. You did not tell me to fix my tie as the BOR members and everyone else in the room know you lied because the photographic evidence from the UOF scene where XXXX’s injuries were photographed clearly shows me wearing a class B uniform on that day. A class B uniform is a short sleeved uniform blouse. A short sleeved uniform blouse for the LAPD does not have a tie included. This is not Super Troopers uniform, you jackass. Why did you feel the need to embellish and lie about your involvement in the UOF? Are you ashamed that you could not get hired on by any other department other than port police? Do you have delusions of grandeur? What you did was perjury, exactly what XXXX did when she stated she did not kick XXXX.

What they failed to mention in the BOR was XXXX own use of force history during her career on the LAPD. She has admitted that she has a lengthy use of force record and has been flagged several times by risk management. She has a very well known nickname, Chupacabra, which she was very proud to flaunt around the division. She found it very funny and entertaining to draw blood from suspects and arrestees. At one point she even intentionally ripped the flesh off the arm of a woman we had arrested for battery (sprayed her neighbor with a garden water hose). Knowing the woman had thin elastic skin, she performed and Indian burn to the woman’s arm after cuffing her. That woman was in her mid-70’s, a mother and grandmother, and was angry at her tenants who failed to pay rent on time. Something I can completely understand and I am sure many have wanted to do toward tenants who do not pay their rent. XXXX was also demoted from a senior lead officer rank/position for performance issues. During my two months of working patrol with XXXX, I found her as a woman who was very angry that she had been pulled from patrol for a short time because of a domestic violence report made by Long Beach Police Department because of an incident involving her active LAPD officer boyfriend, XXXX, and herself. XXXX is the same officer investigated for witness tampering. She also was visibly angry on a daily basis that she was going to have to file for bankruptcy because her ex-husband, a former LAPD officer and not XXXX, who had left the department, state, and was nowhere to be found had left her with a tax bill and debt that she was unable to pay because of a lack of financial means. XXXX, you are a POS and you lied right to the BOR panel when XXXX asked you if you kicked XXXX. You destroyed my life and name because of your actions. Time is up. The time is now to confess to Chief Beck.

I ask that all journalist investigating this story submit request for FOIA with the LAPD to gain access to the BOR transcripts which occurred from 10/08 to 2/09. There, you will see that a video was played for the BOR members of Mr. XXXX who suffers from Schizophrenia and Dementia stating that he was kicked by a female officer. That video evidence supports my claim that XXXX kicked him twice in the upper body and once in the face. I would like all journalist to also request copies of all reports that I had written while employed by LAPD. Whether in the academy, or during my 3 years as a police officer. There are DR#’s attached to each report (investigative report) that I have ever written so they all exist. A FOIA request will most likely be needed to access these at Parker center or at the Personnel/Records. Judge my writin/grammar skills for yourself. The department attempted to paint me as an officer who could not write reports. Even though Sgt. XXXX a training officer who trained me stated for the BOR panel that there was nothing wrong with my report writing and that I was better than all rookie/probationer officers he has ever trained. Officer XXXX stated the same but refused to testify as he did not want to “get involved” with the BOR’s. Contact Sgt. XXXX ,(now a Captain at Lompoc PD), Sgt. XXXX, and Sgt. XXXX. All will state that my report writing was impeccable. I will tell you this, I always type my reports because I have messy handwriting/penmanship. I never had a single kickback/redlined report at Southwest division and Sgt. XXXX and Sgt. XXXX can testify to that. I never received an UNSATISFACTORY on any day or week. The same can be said within the U.S. Naval Reserves. All commanders will state that my report writing was always clear, concise, and impeccable. Even search my AAR (after action reports),chits, Memorandum’s, IIR’s (Intelligence Information Reports) which were written in the Navy. All were pristine.

I had worked patrol at LAPD’s Harbor Division from 2/06 until 7/06 when I was involuntarily recalled back to active duty (US Navy) for a 12 month mobilization/deployment to Centcom in support of OIF/OEF. I returned back to LAPD’s Harbor division on 7/07 and immediately returned to patrol. I worked at Harbor division until 11/07 where I then transferred to Southwest Division. I worked At Southwest division until 6/25/08 when I was relieved of duty.

I have exhausted all available means at obtaining my name back. I have attempted all legal court efforts within appeals at the Superior Courts and California Appellate courts. This is my last resort. The LAPD has suppressed the truth and it has now lead to deadly consequences. The LAPD’s actions have cost me my law enforcement career that began on 2/7/05 and ended on 1/2/09. They cost me my Naval career which started on 4/02 and ends on 2/13. I had a TS/SCI clearance(Top Secret Sensitive Compartmentalized Information clearance) up until shortly after my termination with LAPD. This is the highest clearance a service member can attain other than a Yankee White TS/SCI which is only granted for those working with and around the President/Vice President of the United States. I lost my position as a Commanding Officer of a Naval Security Forces reserve unit at NAS Fallon because of the LAPD. I’ve lost a relationship with my mother and sister because of the LAPD. I’ve lost a relationship with close friends because of the LAPD. In essence, I’ve lost everything because the LAPD took my name and new I was INNOCENT!!! XXXX, XXXX, XXXX , and XXXX all new I was innocent but decided to terminate me so they could continue Ofcr. XXXX. I know about the meeting between all of you where XXXX attorney, XXXX, confessed that she kicked XXXX (excessive force). Your day has come.

I’m not an aspiring rapper, I’m not a gang member, I’m not a dope dealer, I don’t have multiple babies momma’s. I am an American by choice, I am a son, I am a brother, I am a military service member, I am a man who has lost complete faith in the system, when the system betrayed, slandered, and libeled me. I lived a good life and though not a religious man I always stuck to my own personal code of ethics, ethos and always stuck to my shoreline and true North. I didn’t need the US Navy to instill Honor, Courage, and Commitment in me but I thank them for re-enforcing it. It’s in my DNA.

Luckily I don’t have to live everyday like most of you. Concerned if the misconduct you were apart of is going to be discovered. Looking over your shoulder, scurrying at every phone call from internal affairs or from the Captains office wondering if that is the day PSB comes after you for the suspects you struck when they were cuffed months/years ago or that $500 you pocketed from the narcotics dealer, or when the other guys on your watch beat a transient nearly to death and you never reported the UOF to the supervisor. No, I don’t have that concern, I stood up for what was right but unfortunately have dealt with the reprocussions of doing the right thing and now losing my name and everything I ever stood for. You fuckers knew XXXX was guilty of kicking (excessive force) XXXX and you did nothing but get rid of what you saw as the problem, the whistleblower. XXXX himself stated on video tape ( provided for the BOR and in transcripts) he was kicked and even his father stated that his son said he was kicked by XXXX when he was released from custody. The video was played for the entire BOR to hear. You’re going to see what a whistleblower can do when you take everything from him especially his NAME!!!

Look what you did to Sgt. XXXX (now lieutenant) when he exposed the truth of your lying, racism, and PSB cover-ups to frame and convict an innocent man. You can not police yourselves and the consent decree was unsuccessful. Sgt. XXXX, I met you on the range several times as a recruit and as an officer. You’re a good man and I saw it in your eyes an actions.

Self Preservation is no longer important to me. I do not fear death as I died long ago on 1/2/09. I was told by my mother that sometimes bad things happen to good people. I refuse to accept that.

From 2/05 to 1/09 I saw some of the most vile things humans can inflict on others as a police officer in Los Angeles. Unfortunately, it wasn’t in the streets of LA. It was in the confounds of LAPD police stations and shops (cruisers). The enemy combatants in LA are not the citizens and suspects, it’s the police officers.

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. How ironic that you utilize a fixed glass structure as your command HQ. You use as a luminous building to symbolize that you are transparent, have nothing to hide, or suppress when in essence, concealing, omitting, and obscuring is your forte.

Chief Beck, this is when you need to have that come to Jesus talk with Sgt. XXXX and everyone else who was involved in the conspiracy to have me terminated for doing the right thing. you also need to speak with her attorney, Rico, and his conversation with the BOR members and her confession of guilt in kicking Mr. XXXX. I’ll be waiting for a PUBLIC response at a press conference. When the truth comes out, the killing stops.

Why didn’t you charge me with filing a false police report when I came forward stating that XXXX kicked Mr. XXXX? You file criminal charges against every other officer who is accused and terminated for filing a false police report. You didn’t because you knew I was innocent and a criminal court would find me innocent and expose your department for suppressing the truth and retaliation, that’s why.

The attacks will stop when the department states the truth about my innocence, PUBLICLY!!! I will not accept any type of currency/goods in exchange for the attacks to stop, nor do i want it. I want my name back, period. There is no negotiation. I am not the state department who states they do not negotiate with terrorist, because anybody with a Secret or TS/SCI has seen IIR’s on SIPR and knows that the US state department always negotiates by using CF countries or independent sovereign/neutral country to mediate and compromising.

This department has not changed from the Daryl Gates and Mark Fuhrman days. Those officers are still employed and have all promoted to Command staff and supervisory positions. I will correct this error. Are you aware that an officer (a rookie/probationer at the time) seen on the Rodney King videotape striking Mr. King multiple times with a baton on 3/3/91 is still employed by the LAPD and is now a Captain on the police department? Captain XXXX is now the commanding officer of a LAPD police station (West LA division). As a commanding officer, he is now responsible for over 200 officers. Do you trust him to enforce department policy and investigate use of force investigations on arrestees by his officers? Are you aware XXXX has since promoted to Sergeant after kicking Mr. XXXX in the face. Oh, you Violated a citizens civil rights? We will promote you. Same as LAPD did with the officers from Metro involved in the May Day melee at MacArthur Park. They promoted them to Sergeant (a supervisor role).

No one is saying you can’t be prejudiced or a bigot. We are all human and hold prejudices. If you state that you don’t have prejudices, your lying! But, when you act on it and victimize innocent citizens and fellow innocen officers, than that is a concern.

For you officers who do the job in the name of JUSTICE, those of you who lost honest officers to this event, look at the name of those on the BOR and the investigating officers from PSB and XXXX and ask them, how come you couldn’t tell the truth? Why did you terminate an honest officer and cover for a dishonest officer who victimized a mentally ill citizen.

Sometimes humans feel a need to prove they are the dominant race of a species and they inadvertently take kindness for weakness from another individual. You chose wrong.

Terminating officers because they expose a culture of lying, racism (from the academy), and excessive use of force will immediately change. PSB can not police their own and that has been proven. The blue line will forever be severed and a cultural change will be implanted. You have awoken a sleeping giant.

I am here to change and make policy. The culture of LAPD versus the community and honest/good officers needs to and will change. I am here to correct and calibrate your morale compasses to true north.

Those Caucasian officers who join South Bureau divisions (77th,SW,SE, an Harbor) with the sole intent to victimize minorities who are uneducated, and unaware of criminal law, civil law, and civil rights. You prefer the South bureau because a use of force/deadly force is likely and the individual you use UOF on will likely not report it. You are a high value target.

Those Black officers in supervisory ranks and pay grades who stay in south bureau (even though you live in the valley or OC) for the sole intent of getting retribution toward subordinate caucasians officers for the pain and hostile work environment their elders inflicted on you as probationers (P-1′s) and novice P-2’s. You are a high value target. You perpetuated the cycle of racism in the department as well. You breed a new generation of bigoted caucasian officer when you belittle them and treat them unfairly.

Those Hispanic officers who victimize their own ethnicity because they are new immigrants to this country and are unaware of their civil rights. You call them wetbacks to their face and demean them in front of fellow officers of different ethnicities so that you will receive some sort of acceptance from your colleagues. I’m not impressed. Most likely, your parents or grandparents were immigrants at one time, but you have forgotten that. You are a high value target.

Those lesbian officers in supervising positions who go to work, day in day out, with the sole intent of attempting to prove your misandrist authority (not feminism) to degrade male officers. You are a high value target.

Those Asian officers who stand by and observe everything I previously mentioned other officers participate in on a daily basis but you say nothing, stand for nothing and protect nothing. Why? Because of your usual saying, ” I……don’t like conflict”. You are a high value target as well.

Those of you who “go along to get along” have no backbone and destroy the foundation of courage. You are the enablers of those who are guilty of misconduct. You are just as guilty as those who break the code of ethics and oath you swore.

Citizens/non-combatants, do not render medical aid to downed officers/enemy combatants. They would not do the same for you. They will let you bleed out just so they can brag to other officers that they had a 187 caper the other day and can’t wait to accrue the overtime in future court subpoenas. As they always say, “that’s the paramedics job…not mine”. Let the balance of loss of life take place. Sometimes a reset needs to occur.

It is endless the amount of times per week officers arrest an individual, label him a suspect-arrestee-defendant and then before arraignment or trial realize that he is innocent based on evidence. You know what they say when they realize an innocent man just had his life turned upside down?. “I guess he should have stayed at home that day he was discovered walking down the street and matching the suspects description. Oh well, he appeared to be a dirtbag anyways”. Meanwhile the falsely accused is left to pick up his life, get a new, family, friends, and sense of self worth.

Don’t honor these fallen officers/dirtbags. When your family members die, they just see you as extra overtime at a crime scene and at a perimeter. Why would you value their lives when they clearly don’t value yours or your family members lives? I’ve heard many officers who state they see dead victims as ATV’s, Waverunners, RV’s and new clothes for their kids. Why would you shed a tear for them when they in return crack a smile for your loss because of the impending extra money they will receive in their next paycheck for sitting at your loved ones crime scene of 6 hours because of the overtime they will accrue. They take photos of your loved ones recently deceased bodies with their cellphones and play a game of who has the most graphic dead body of the night with officers from other divisions. This isn’t just the 20 something year old officers, this is the 50 year old officers with significant time on the job as well who participate.

You allow an officer, XXXX, to attempt to hack into my credit union account and still remain on the job even when Det. XXXX shows the evidence that the IP address (provided by LAPFCU) that attempted to hack into my account and change my username and password leads directly to her residence. You even allow this visibly disgusting looking officer to stay on the job when she perjures (lies) in court (Clark County Family Court) to the judge’s face and denies hacking into my personal credit union online account when I attempted to get my restraint order extended. Det. XXXX provided the evidence and you still do nothing.

How do you know when a police officer is lying??? When he begins his sentence with, “based on my experience and training”.

No one grows up and wants to be a cop killer. It was against everything I’ve ever was. As a young police explorer I found my calling in life. But, As a young police officer I found that the violent suspects on the street are not the only people you have to watch. It is the officer who was hired on to the department (pre-2000) before polygraphs were standard for all new hires and a substantial vetting in a backround investigation.

To those children of the officers who are eradicated, your parent was not the individual you thought they were. As you get older,you will see the evidence that your parent was a tyrant who loss their ethos and instead followed the path of moral corruptness. They conspired to hide and suppress the truth of misconduct on others behalf’s. Your parent will have a name and plaque on the fallen officers memorial in D.C. But, In all honesty, your parents name will be a reminder to other officers to maintain the oath they swore and to stay along the shoreline that has guided them from childhood to that of a local, state, or federal law enforcement officer.

Your lack of ethics and conspiring to wrong a just individual are over.
Suppressing the truth will leave to deadly consequences for you and your family. There will be an element of surprise where you work, live, eat, and sleep. I will utilize ISR at your home, workplace, and all locations in between. I will utilize OSINT to discover your residences, spouses workplaces, and children’s schools. IMINT to coordinate and plan attacks on your fixed locations. Its amazing whats on NIPR. HUMINT will be utilized to collect personal schedules of targets. I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I’m terminating yours. XXXX, XXXX, XXXX, and BOR members Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead.

Never allow a LAPPL union attorney to be a retired LAPD Captain,(XXXX). He doesn’t work for you, your interest, or your name. He works for the department, period. His job is to protect the department from civil lawsuits being filed and their best interest which is the almighty dollar. His loyalty is to the department, not his client. Even when he knowingly knows your innocent and the BOR also knows your innocent after XXXX stated on videotape that he was kicked and XXXX attorney confessed to the BOR off the record that she kicked XXXX.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants-TJ. This quote is not directed toward the US government which I fully support 100%. This is toward the LAPD who can not monitor itself. The consent decree should not have been lifted, ever.

I know your TTP’s, (techniques, tactics, and procedures). Any threat assessments you generate will be useless. This is simple, I know your TTP’s and PPR’s. I will mitigate any of your attempts at preservation. ORM is my friend. I will mitigate all risks, threats and hazards. I assure you that Incident Command Posts will be target rich environments. KMA-367 license plate frames are great target indicators and make target selection even easier.

I will conduct DA operations to destroy, exploit and seize designated targets. If unsuccessful or unable to meet objectives in these initial small-scale offensive actions, I will reassess my BDA and re-attack until objectives are met. I have nothing to lose. My personal casualty means nothing. Just alike AAF’s, ACM’s, and AIF’s, you can not prevail against an enemy combatant who has no fear of death. An enemy who embraces death is a lose, lose situation for their enemy combatants.

Hopefully you analyst have done your homework. You are aware that I have always been the top shot, highest score, an expert in rifle qualifications in every unit I’ve been in. I will utilize every bit of small arms training, demolition, ordnance, and survival training I’ve been given.

Do you know why we are unsuccessful in asymmetrical and guerrilla warfare in CENTCOM theatre of operations? I’ll tell you. It’s not the inefficiency of our combatant commanders, planning, readiness or training of troops. Much like the Vietnam war, ACM, AAF, foreign fighters, Jihadist, and JAM have nothing to lose. They embrace death as it is a way of life. I simply don’t fear it. I am the walking exigent circumstance you created.

The Violence of action will be HIGH. I am the reason TAC alert was established. I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty. ISR is my strength and your weakness. You will now live the life of the prey. Your RD’s and homes away from work will be my AO and battle space. I will utilize every tool within INT collections that I learned from NMITC in Dam Neck. You have misjudged a sleeping giant. There is no conventional threat assessment for me. JAM, New Ba’ath party, 1920 rev BGE, ACM, AAF, AQAP, AQIM and AQIZ have nothing on me. Do not deploy airships or gunships. SA-7 Manpads will be waiting. As you know I also own Barrett .50′s so your APC are defunct and futile.

You better have all your officers radio/phone muster (code 1) on or off duty every hour, on the hour.
Do not attempt to shadow or conduct any type of ISR on me. I have the inventory listing of all UC vehicles at Piper Tech and the home addresses of any INT analyst at JRIC and detachment locations. My POA is always POI and always true. This will be a war of attrition and a Pyrrhic and Camdean Victory for myself. You may have the resources and manpower but you are reactive and predictable in your op plans and TTP’s. I have the strength and benefits of being unpredictable, unconventional, and unforgiving. Do not waste your time with briefs and tabletops

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GS430
02-07-2013, 03:53 PM
Just finished reading this and wow..

That's pretty crazy.

1barA4
02-07-2013, 03:55 PM
Technically, his body count is only 1 higher than the cops protecting his supposed targets (apparently the protection detail shot two innocent civilians driving by in a Nissan Titan).

rage2
02-07-2013, 04:25 PM
Originally posted by 1barA4
Technically, his body count is only 1 higher than the cops protecting his supposed targets (apparently the protection detail shot two innocent civilians driving by in a Nissan Titan).
haha ya, how can they fuck up that bad? lol


The manhunt also led to the wounding of two bystanders by police before dawn in the town of Torrance, just south of Los Angeles, where officers on one security detail opened fire on a pickup truck resembling the one Dorner was thought to be driving, Beck said. He said the truck was being driven with its headlights out.

“Tragically, we believe this was a case of mistaken identity by the Los Angeles police officers,” the chief said, adding that one victim suffered a minor gunshot wound and the second was listed in stable condition with two gunshot wounds.

Dalking
02-07-2013, 04:26 PM
tldr?http://i.imgur.com/XVmsDXf.jpg

FraserB
02-07-2013, 04:28 PM
Two huge lawsuits and two cops out of a job, good riddance for shooting bystanders.

If what happened leading up to all this is true, I don't blame the guy.

cet
02-07-2013, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Dalking
tldr?http://i.imgur.com/XVmsDXf.jpg

Basically accuses the LAPD of being rasist and corrupt. Blames them for losing his career as a police officer and Naval officer, as well as losing friends and family. He's now targeting all police as well as specific police personnel and their families.


Originally posted by FraserB
If what happened leading up to all this is true, I don't blame the guy.

I can maybe understand going after the officers that you feel wronged you but their families and every other officer?

FixedGear
02-07-2013, 04:36 PM
Coles? No time to read all that lol

rage2
02-07-2013, 04:37 PM
Fired Cop + GTA 4 == this story.

Dave P
02-07-2013, 04:38 PM
SHOOT THE HOSTAGE HARRY!

FraserB
02-07-2013, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by cet


Basically accuses the LAPD of being rasist and corrupt. Blames them for losing his career as a police officer and Naval officer, as well as losing friends and family. He's now targeting all police as well as specific police personnel and their families.



I can maybe understand going after the officers that you feel wronged you but their families and every other officer?

Sorry, not their families.

All those involved, sure.

revelations
02-07-2013, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by Dave P
SHOOT THE HOSTAGE HARRY!

How the hell did SPEED get into this > :rofl:

black13
02-07-2013, 07:37 PM
And people complain about the cops in Calgary. Lol yea I'll take our cops over LAPD anyday.

Sounds like something straight out of those cop movies. Training Day and what not.
This guy won't be caught alive even if he surrendered.

n1zm0
02-07-2013, 07:50 PM
the truck the 2 asian ladies delivering newspaper used :nut: and it says they survived.

http://i.imgur.com/dHkZjQx.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w132/dirtjumper14/IMAG0336.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w132/dirtjumper14/IMAG0337.jpg

Zephyr
02-07-2013, 08:41 PM
Here's the uncensored version of his manifest:
http://boywithgrenade.org/2013/02/07/christopher-dorners-manifesto/

If you take the actual time to read it, it's well written. It has some crazy moments, but for the most part it exposes the silent corruption within the LAPD right now. He was a whistleblower and was kicked out as a result. This is like Training Day, but in real life.

I like how two asian women driving a blue tacoma are shot more than 20 times by officers. How can they mistake that for a charcoal nissan titan driven by a 270 lb black man?

RY213
02-07-2013, 08:44 PM
There is a version of his manifest without the names censored. This dude is a hero...

Supa Dexta
02-07-2013, 08:56 PM
That is a taco, not a titan.. lol

Maybelater
02-07-2013, 11:41 PM
You think this guy would have gone about this a bit different, I mean if he wanted to kill those people why tip the police off in the first place...

WhippWhapp
02-08-2013, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by Zephyr
Here's the uncensored version of his manifest:
http://boywithgrenade.org/2013/02/07/christopher-dorners-manifesto/

If you take the actual time to read it, it's well written. It has some crazy moments, but for the most part it exposes the silent corruption within the LAPD right now. He was a whistleblower and was kicked out as a result. This is like Training Day, but in real life.

I like how two asian women driving a blue tacoma are shot more than 20 times by officers. How can they mistake that for a charcoal nissan titan driven by a 270 lb black man?

They all look the same in the dark!

e31
02-08-2013, 03:08 AM
Anyone seen the movie "Falling Down" with Michael Douglas?


Originally posted by rage2
Fired Cop + GTA 4 == this story.
:rofl:

cycosis
02-08-2013, 04:09 AM
^love that movie. His piece is well written. Hes a nut though for targeting children

OU812
02-08-2013, 07:38 AM
found his truck all burned to shit. Somewhere in Big Bear area wherever that is

1barA4
02-08-2013, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by cycosis
Hes a nut though for targeting children

While I understand what he's doing, I agree that he's just plain old lost it when he tries to make a point by killing children.

The sins of the fathers? Nope, don't believe in that, just target the fathers as it were.

CapnCrunch
02-08-2013, 08:02 AM
Originally posted by RY213
There is a version of his manifest without the names censored. This dude is a hero...

I don't know if its true or not, but if it is, I'm kind of rooting for him lol.

cet
02-08-2013, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by Maybelater
You think this guy would have gone about this a bit different, I mean if he wanted to kill those people why tip the police off in the first place...

By telling everyone about it he has just increased the number of targets that are readily available to him. Every cop in the force is now out there looking for him on the streets and he's already said that if you're a cop you're a target. It's going to make it more difficult to get to the ones he feels wronged him, but at this point I think he's just out to kill as many officers as possible.

Maxx Mazda
02-08-2013, 09:07 AM
Just read this whole thing. That's crazy how he names everybody like that.... Wonder how this is going to pan out.

Xtrema
02-08-2013, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by 1barA4


While I understand what he's doing, I agree that he's just plain old lost it when he tries to make a point by killing children.

The sins of the fathers? Nope, don't believe in that, just target the fathers as it were.

Didn't you guys watch enough Asian gangster movies?

You don't fuck up the person that wronged you. You kill everyone he loves and let him live and suffer.

Death is too easy.

JRSC00LUDE
02-08-2013, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by Maxx Mazda
Just read this whole thing. That's crazy how he names everybody like that.... Wonder how this is going to pan out.

He's going to be killed, no matter what. Even if he walks into somewhere to surrender, with his hands up and completely naked to reveal no weapons they're going to kill him. He'll have so many holes drilled in him that there'll be zero chance of surviving.

Everything he said will be buried and blamed as little more than the ravings of a madman.

I wonder how much is true? This is pretty crazy.

ga16i
02-08-2013, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by Xtrema


Didn't you guys watch enough Asian gangster movies?

You don't fuck up the person that wronged you. You kill everyone he loves and let him live and suffer.

Death is too easy.

Not quite, I think the proper term is hum ga chAN and the person that wronged you has to die too as well as the whole family. Or the OLD skool ancient Chinese way of ju gao jook and take out the parents, uncles, grand parents, kids, grand kids, etc.

GS430
02-08-2013, 10:17 AM
Sometimes it takes an event like this to open the eyes of people, and to expose the truth.

I'm curious as to how this will unfold though, the LAPD is assigning 'protection units' to watch over the names he listed and their families. Apparently the police HQ is on lock down too.

It's interesting that he poses basically no threat to the general population, but the Police do. Fucking ridiculous.. Not once, but TWICE.


LAPD officers guarding a target named in the manifesto shot and wounded two women in suburban Torrance who were in a pickup truck delivering newspapers. Investigators said Maggie Carranza, 47, and her mother, Emma Hernandez, 71, were in a Toyota Tundra, similar to Dorner's Nissan Titan. Carranza had minor hand injuries. Hernandez was hospitalized with a gunshot wound in the back. A lawyer said they had no warning.

Minutes later, Torrance officers responding to a report of gunshots encountered a dark pickup matching the description of Dorner's, police said. A collision occurred and the officers fired on the pickup. The unidentified driver was not hit and it turned out not to be the suspect vehicle, they said.

FixedGear
02-08-2013, 10:35 AM
I can't believe these stupid cops are just opening fire on any pickup truck they see. jesus. i mean usually i'm pretty pro-cop, but this is just fucking ridiculous. shooting a 71 year old woman in the back!?!??!?!

zipdoa
02-08-2013, 10:38 AM
Hopefully ALL police departments go under the microscope after this all plays out.

I support CPS, but I've heard stories of officers getting a free-pass from each other and not being held accountable to their offenses - (Speeding, DUI, etc)

n1zm0
02-08-2013, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by GS430
Minutes later, Torrance officers responding to a report of gunshots encountered a dark pickup matching the description of Dorner's, police said. A collision occurred and the officers fired on the pickup. The unidentified driver was not hit and it turned out not to be the suspect vehicle, they said.


pics of the Taco on front page, the Ridgeline they shot:

http://rt.com/files/usa/news/former-dorner-police-lapd-670/detectives-investigate-shooting-scene.jpg

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site577/2013/0207/20130207_094910_aatruck4_400.JPG

hopefully its true that he burnt his Titan up, so they can stop shooting innocent people in their japanese pickup trucks... i have a feeling he did it on purpose for that very reason maybe

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2013/02/07/AP484547677482_620x350.jpg

http://www.ocregister.com/news/dorner-494956-police-riverside.html

Tik-Tok
02-08-2013, 10:45 AM
Originally posted by n1zm0

]

hopefully its true that he burnt his Titan up, so they can stop shooting innocent people in their japanese pickup trucks... i have a feeling he did it on purpose for that very reason maybe


Probably not. If he wanted to expose their corruption and prove they're idiots, he would never have burnt it. He obviously doesn't care about innocents.

CapnCrunch
02-08-2013, 10:49 AM
They shot up 2 pickups that weren't his? Eventually these idiot cops will just shoot each other lol.

eglove
02-08-2013, 10:50 AM
Watch this be a blockbuster movie in 5 years.

spikerS
02-08-2013, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by eglove
Watch this be a blockbuster movie in 5 years.

with the lead being played by Denzel Washington. :rofl:

ga16i
02-08-2013, 11:12 AM
Wow, that's pretty crazy. What must be their thinking process that led to that? Titan to me is fairly distinguishable from Tundra and Ridgeline. It seems like they're just shooting without looking at all. Seriously, if this keeps up, black people and dark coloured skin people beware. They can't tell large trucks across different manufacturers from each other, just a matter of time until innocent dark people get riddled with bullets.

ga16i
02-08-2013, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by spikers


with the lead being played by Denzel Washington. :rofl:

And narrated by Morgan Freeman.

FraserB
02-08-2013, 11:17 AM
The torched truck above IS a Titan.

Pretty lol that cops can't tell the difference between trucks that are 100% different from each other. Last time I checked these were people who were supposedly considered "experts" in court. Fucking retards.

GS430
02-08-2013, 11:19 AM
Originally posted by ga16i
Wow, that's pretty crazy. What must be their thinking process that led to that? Titan to me is fairly distinguishable from Tundra and Ridgeline. It seems like they're just shooting without looking at all. Seriously, if this keeps up, black people and dark coloured skin people beware. They can't tell large trucks across different manufacturers from each other, just a matter of time until innocent dark people get riddled with bullets.

This just proves how negligent and careless the LAPD is. That wasn't even part of his "master plan" and it unfolded in a way that coincides with Dorner's statements.

FraserB
02-08-2013, 11:29 AM
And you can bet you won't see a single charge of assault being laid, a signle suspension for careless discharge and the people affect will have to drag the LAPD to court to get compensated.

Kg810
02-08-2013, 11:57 AM
Can someone point out where he says he is going to kill children?

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere in his manifesto where he addresses the children of the officers he kills. Why would he write to them and explain how their parent was a corrupt douche if he kills them?

Tik-Tok
02-08-2013, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by Kg810
Can someone point out where he says he is going to kill children?

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere in his manifesto where he addresses the children of the officers he kills. Why would he write to them and explain how their parent was a corrupt douche if he kills them?

He already shot one officers daughter. Not sure if he knew it was her, or just recognized the vehicle as being her dads and opened fire.

GS430
02-08-2013, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by Kg810
Can someone point out where he says he is going to kill children?

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere in his manifesto where he addresses the children of the officers he kills. Why would he write to them and explain how their parent was a corrupt douche if he kills them?



XXXX, XXXX, XXXX, and BOR members Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead.

Kg810
02-08-2013, 12:11 PM
Originally posted by Tik-Tok


He already shot one officers daughter. Not sure if he knew it was her, or just recognized the vehicle as being her dads and opened fire.

She wasn't a child though.

spike98
02-08-2013, 01:12 PM
I was JUST down there and i wondered why there were cops everywhere. Flew out of the John Wayne Airport yesterday at noon and there were cops with assault rifles at all entrances.

vtec4life
02-08-2013, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by ga16i
Wow, that's pretty crazy. What must be their thinking process that led to that? Titan to me is fairly distinguishable from Tundra and Ridgeline. It seems like they're just shooting without looking at all. Seriously, if this keeps up, black people and dark coloured skin people beware. They can't tell large trucks across different manufacturers from each other, just a matter of time until innocent dark people get riddled with bullets.

Doesn't this already happen all the time?

C_Dave45
02-08-2013, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by Kg810


She wasn't a child though.
She was SOMEONE'S child though!!!! What a fucking idiotic point to bring out. What the fuck difference does the age of a victim make.
Fuck me....the intelligence of some posts.
Moron.

Tik-Tok
02-08-2013, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by C_Dave45

She was SOMEONE'S child though!!!! What a fucking idiotic point to bring out. What the fuck difference does the age of a victim make.
Fuck me....the intelligence of some posts.
Moron.

Lol, seriously

children =/= youth.

Im still my parents child even though im 35.

1barA4
02-08-2013, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by Xtrema


Didn't you guys watch enough Asian gangster movies?

You don't fuck up the person that wronged you. You kill everyone he loves and let him live and suffer.

Death is too easy.

Depends on your viewpoint I guess.

From my viewpoint, erasing his existence is much more of a punishment -- in my personal belief system, that is the be-all and end-all of retribution and should be visited only on the target of my vengeance. Killing other people to make them suffer is a waste of life and him continuing to live, suffering or not, is not the serving of 'justice' I would want.

Life is de most precious gift Jah has given us.
- Ali G

GS430
02-08-2013, 02:11 PM
Judging by the bullet holes and approach with the 2 trucks, I think the LAPD has absolutely ZERO interest in apprehending him. They're after blood.

Anonymous just wrote on twitter that "Reports that LAPD has ran a truck off the road and opened fire on innocents, again..."

Who knows how accurate that is, but wow..

sputnik
02-08-2013, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by GS430
Judging by the bullet holes and approach with the 2 trucks, I think the LAPD has absolutely ZERO interest in apprehending him. They're after blood.

Dead men have no voice.

spikerS
02-08-2013, 03:07 PM
man, if any of the allegations this guy is making turn out to be true, this is going to cause a MAJOR shit storm. I mean, if true, I can totally sympathize with this guy. I mean, he followed ALL the proper channels (at least according to his manifesto) and hit corruption and walls at every turn when he tried to do the right thing.

So I give him major props for standing up like that.

However, I do not agree with him targeting every cop out there, I mean, not all of them are going to be corrupt or whatever, and I am sure that the majority of them are model cops, and yet he would kill them just the same as the scum he outs, and for that, any olive branch I would extend him would be withdrawn.

Seriously, this guys ONLY hope, is to flee California all together, walk into another small town police office and turn himself in. If he tries anywhere in or near LA, every cop is going to gun him down as soon as they recognize him, no questions asked.

In this instance, LAPD is in a catch .22 situation. If they kill him, they risk making him a martyr, and if the arrest him, they let him have a voice, and you can believe that the public will be keeping a VERY close eye on him for bruises. For the LAPD, he is better off dead though, so that they can try and cover up things, and tie up loose ends as much as possible, because you can believe, that the feds will be conducting an investigation on this.

Tik-Tok
02-08-2013, 03:11 PM
After reading his manifesto, I honestly feel for the guy. Personally, I would have gone after the people who directly wronged me first though, before I put my intentions out there.

GS430
02-08-2013, 03:32 PM
This just in..

Former LA cop wanted in shooting death of officer sends package to CNN's Anderson Cooper (http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/02/08/former-l-a-cop-wanted-in-shooting-death-of-officer-sends-package-to-cnns-anderson-cooper-as-manhunt-widens/)

FixedGear
02-08-2013, 03:54 PM
Originally posted by GS430
This just in..

Former LA cop wanted in shooting death of officer sends package to CNN's Anderson Cooper (http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/02/08/former-l-a-cop-wanted-in-shooting-death-of-officer-sends-package-to-cnns-anderson-cooper-as-manhunt-widens/)

just in? read about that last night! :D

403Gemini
02-08-2013, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by spikers


with the lead being played by Denzel Washington. :rofl:

He looks more like LL Cool J

Xtrema
02-08-2013, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by spikers
Seriously, this guys ONLY hope, is to flee California all together, walk into another small town police office and turn himself in. If he tries anywhere in or near LA, every cop is going to gun him down as soon as they recognize him, no questions asked.

In this instance, LAPD is in a catch .22 situation. If they kill him, they risk making him a martyr, and if the arrest him, they let him have a voice, and you can believe that the public will be keeping a VERY close eye on him for bruises. For the LAPD, he is better off dead though, so that they can try and cover up things, and tie up loose ends as much as possible, because you can believe, that the feds will be conducting an investigation on this.

They want him dead. Last thing LAPD wants is an inquiry for him to have a stage to rat them out.

Kg810
02-08-2013, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by C_Dave45

She was SOMEONE'S child though!!!! What a fucking idiotic point to bring out. What the fuck difference does the age of a victim make.
Fuck me....the intelligence of some posts.
Moron.

Calm the fuck down.

I briefly read over the OP yesterday and I didn't recall anything about him actually killing a child or children so I was confused when I read the comments on page 2 about him killing children.

Yeah it is absolutely reasonable for a parent to refer to their son and/or daughter as child/children regardless of age, but it is extremely unusual and awkward for the media or people to refer to Dorner as a child killer just because he killed one of the officer's 28 year old daughter.

So according to you, if someone ran you over and killed you, the media and everyone should label the driver as a child killer. :dunno:

BRB let me go inform all the journalists who wrote about Sandy Hook and tell them they can actually write 26 children dead instead of 20 children and 6 adults dead. :rolleyes:

Better yet, let me go tell Children's Hospital that they should treat everyone because we are all "SOMEONE's child though!!!!" :facepalm:

403_Calgary
02-08-2013, 06:34 PM
Originally posted by Kg810




Better yet, let me go tell Children's Hospital that they should treat everyone because we are all "SOMEONE's child though!!!!" :facepalm:

May be bad but I LOL'd pretty hard at this.

It may be wrong to say but if things are still as bad as they were with the Rampart scandal and police brutality that went on with the LAPD it might be a good thing they might finally have their force scrutinized. It just sucks that it had to take something like this for it to happen.

A|pine
02-08-2013, 06:43 PM
I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I’m terminating yours. XXXX, XXXX, XXXX, and BOR members Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead.

The officer that wronged him was a captain and eventually became a police chief. He has since retired, apparently he was one of the first chinese american born police chiefs. With respect to the shootings, it was a targeted kill in the parking lot of a University. He killed the daughter and her fiance as well.

In his manifest, it was retribution of killing someone's children and family, not necessarily when they are in their adolescence or preadolescence. Sorry I'm with Cdave on this one minus the moron comment. You didn't read the manifest or declaration before you posted, scenario of speaking before thinking.

Zephyr
02-08-2013, 08:28 PM
Cops pretty much proved his point by shooting a Tacoma and Ridgeline. Shoot first, ask later. So far none of the cops are being punished and it's being passed as "an accident". If a regular citizen did that, it wouldn't be passed as an "accident".

I recommend people to read the uncensored version of the manifest, not the one with the names blurred out. The family of the victim that was assaulted confirmed Dorners claim in his manifest.

Khyron
02-08-2013, 10:27 PM
Apparently at the time, the only description was "dark blue or grey pickup truck" - they didn't know the make/model. That it was a black titan came out later. Still, 2 old asians or 1 giant black dude?

thetransporter
02-08-2013, 10:42 PM
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130207195516-04-california-manhunt-0207-horizontal-gallery.jpg



At about 5:30 am, Los Angeles Police Department officers on a protection detail of an unnamed LAPD official's residence in the Los Angeles County city of Torrance opened fire on a light blue Toyota Tacoma and shot two female occupants who were delivering newspapers for the Los Angeles Times.[19] The vehicle, according to officers, matched the description of Dorner's 2005 dark gray Nissan Titan and was moving without its headlights on.[18] A neighbor said the truck was used every day to deliver newspapers, and the women who used it kept their headlights off in order not to wake people up.[20] The two women were injured but are expected to survive.[21][22]

eglove
02-08-2013, 10:53 PM
I wonder if anonymous will leak the dvd and documents

gatorade
02-09-2013, 02:34 AM
Originally posted by Tik-Tok
After reading his manifesto, I honestly feel for the guy. Personally, I would have gone after the people who directly wronged me first though, before I put my intentions out there.

This, his manifesto is actually well written and articulated and doesn't even sound like the words of a raving mad man. It is so well written and descriptive that it it I believe his statement of the systematic corruption and racism in the LAPD.

Not saying his actions are justifiable, but the blue truck getting shot the shit up 20 times strengthens his assertions. Too bad he had to choose this method to get his point by.

thetransporter
02-09-2013, 02:47 AM
can someone PLEASE explain the blue truck. (tacoma).... how does that happen? there are bullet holes all over the rear and the front.

AG_Styles
02-09-2013, 03:18 AM
Originally posted by Khyron
Apparently at the time, the only description was "dark blue or grey pickup truck" - they didn't know the make/model. That it was a black titan came out later. Still, 2 old asians or 1 giant black dude?

to the LAPD, seems like not knowing specifics of something they're looking for still justifies shooting the crap out of it first, and then seeing if they got the right person after.

I'd like to do that and get away with making decisions like that at work, but damn my workplace for making me responsible for decisions that I make.

You can so tell they went nuts on the truck with that many bullets shot.

Maxx Mazda
02-09-2013, 07:13 AM
Originally posted by thetransporter
can someone PLEASE explain the blue truck. (tacoma).... how does that happen? there are bullet wholes all over the rear and the front.

What the hell is a "bullet whole?"

Supa Dexta
02-09-2013, 08:17 AM
Wholey shit, your right, there not paying attention to they're words..

VTEXTC
02-09-2013, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by thetransporter
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130207195516-04-california-manhunt-0207-horizontal-gallery.jpg


A neighbor said the truck was used every day to deliver newspapers, and the women who used it kept their headlights off in order not to wake people up.[20] The two women were injured but are expected to survive.[21][22]

Case in point: DRLs save lives.

A

Modelexis
02-09-2013, 10:26 AM
Sami6ovG5OM

That truck and those two innocent women unfortunately became collateral damage of a war between one of the largest and most powerful gangs in the USA and a former gang member.

This situation to me sounds like a one man declaration of war.
Everyone always says that during war the rules change and so maybe the LAPD are now playing by 'war rules' ie. shoot first and never ask questions.

Too bad that truck was not being driven by two drug running gang members both carrying weapons, they could have returned fire and killed the gang members who were attempting to kill them.

These two women experienced a small slice of how thousands of innocent afghan and iraqis have felt over the years being fired on for driving a taxi that vaguely matched the description of a terrorist vehicle.

403_Calgary
02-09-2013, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by Modelexis
Sami6ovG5OM

That truck and those two innocent women unfortunately became collateral damage of a war between one of the largest and most powerful gangs in the USA and a former gang member.

This situation to me sounds like a one man declaration of war.
Everyone always says that during war the rules change and so maybe the LAPD are now playing by 'war rules' ie. shoot first and never ask questions.

Too bad that truck was not being driven by two drug running gang members both carrying weapons, they could have returned fire and killed the gang members who were attempting to kill them.

These two women experienced a small slice of how thousands of innocent afghan and iraqis have felt over the years being fired on for driving a taxi that vaguely matched the description of a terrorist vehicle.

Look at what happened to Sean Bell. The police even took the time to reload.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Bell_shooting_incident

revelations
02-09-2013, 12:05 PM
All I can say is that thank god our members in Canada are trained to a far higher standard and that the police here, while not perfect, act FAR more professional on a consistent basis than many of the clowns down there who wear uniforms.

Our civil liberties still have meaning up here, and while it always doesent appear so, the police here are held on average much more accountable than in the US.

If an incident like where the LAPD started shooting random vehicles happened to the RCMP, the PM would likely get involved and heads would roll.

kaput
02-09-2013, 12:16 PM
.

spikerS
02-09-2013, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by kaput
I'm surprised I haven't seen any calls for the officers to be charged with attempted murder. I'd expect the media to jump all over that. Charges seem justified IMO, how could they possibly defend their actions when the only connection between their suspect and these ladies is that they both drove a truck :dunno:

Your honor, they pointed a newspaper threateningly at me. I know I was looking for a lone 270 black gunman targeting cops, but these 2 chicks were damn ugly, and sitting next to each other, they looked to be around the 300lb mark, driving a completely different make, model and color of truck than what I was supposed to be looking for.

Seriously, mistakes happen your honor!

thetransporter
02-09-2013, 03:32 PM
Originally posted by Maxx Mazda


What the hell is a "bullet whole?"


I use android voice to text. Its not perfect.

I do not like when I say "because" and it types in "coz"

or "Do you want " becomes "Do you wanna"

However, I been enjoying this feature for years on my HTC.

Modelexis
02-09-2013, 03:33 PM
Oh how different LAPD are from CPS or RCMP, this amount of corruption could never be possible here!
We have all kinds of safeguards like internal police investigations and we can vote and make signs begging the politicians to restrict the power of police.
CPS and RCMP have completely different DNA from LAPD cops, they think differently and CPS are not subject to the same human fault that LAPD are.

CPS are trained to not be corrupt and we have nothing to worry about.
Sure they abuse their power from time to time, but I'm sure it won't escalate and it will never develop into something we cannot rein in.

We will never find ourselves asking how we allowed a police force to become so corrupt...

right...

JustGo
02-09-2013, 03:39 PM
Originally posted by Modelexis
Oh how different LAPD are from CPS or RCMP, this amount of corruption could never be possible here!
We have all kinds of safeguards like internal police investigations and we can vote and make signs begging the politicians to restrict the power of police.
CPS and RCMP have completely different DNA from LAPD cops, they think differently and CPS are not subject to the same human fault that LAPD are.

CPS are trained to not be corrupt and we have nothing to worry about.
Sure they abuse their power from time to time, but I'm sure it won't escalate and it will never develop into something we cannot rein in.

We will never find ourselves asking how we allowed a police force to become so corrupt...

right...

It's an entirely different culture down there. And you're an idiot. Probably the smartest idiot I've ever come across, which is probably the saddest part.

Modelexis
02-09-2013, 03:52 PM
So the major thing preventing CPS and RCMP from joining the ranks of LAPD is the swing and whim of culture?

rx7boi
02-09-2013, 05:29 PM
Originally posted by Modelexis
So the major thing preventing CPS and RCMP from joining the ranks of LAPD is the swing and whim of culture?

Someone answer this dolt's question with another question.

Modelexis
02-09-2013, 05:53 PM
That's a bit rude and dismissive, show some love for your fellow human on a journey of life and being curious. :)

OU812
02-09-2013, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by Modelexis
So the major thing preventing CPS and RCMP from joining the ranks of LAPD is the swing and whim of culture?

OMG!! Whats preventing Canadians from being identical to there neighbors to the south?? You know like walking into a theatre or a school and blowing away a few dozen people??


I mean if all cops are the same then all ordinary citizens must be as well.

Modelexis
02-09-2013, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by OU812
I mean if all cops are the same then all ordinary citizens must be as well.

This is what I argue, humans are subject to faults and going nuts and doing the wrong thing, whether you wear a badge or not.

This is not as big of a problem with ordinary citizens since they do not have legal authority to use violent force, they cannot legally initiate physical force against a peaceful person.

I'm sure you can see how a corrupt store owner is one thing, but giving that corrupt store owner the legal right to initiate force against peaceful people and you have quite another situation on your hands.

We create these dangerous corruption vacuums when we break up morality and give different moral rules to different humans depending on whether they have a badge pinned to their jacket or not.
That's when you have really initiated the destruction of freedom, when you take a universal moral like 'thou shall not initiate physical force or the threat of force against a peaceful person' and you chop it up and hand it to some people and hand the opposite moral rule to others.

Modelexis
02-09-2013, 06:14 PM
http://images.4chan.org/pol/src/1360448317978.jpg

revelations
02-09-2013, 06:20 PM
Originally posted by Modelexis


This is what I argue, humans are subject to faults and going nuts and doing the wrong thing, whether you wear a badge or not.


There are a couple of reasons why we dont see the level of corruption and the style of policing here that they have in the US.

- far better screening and training for members here (in fact the RCMP model was adopted into several countries)
- different criminal law system
- different constitution which gives every citizen equal rights


No one is going to deny that many mistakes are made by members in uniform here, but the entire issue is that on average, we are far better off.

OU812
02-09-2013, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by Modelexis


This is what I argue, humans are subject to faults and going nuts and doing the wrong thing, whether you wear a badge or not.

This is not as big of a problem with ordinary citizens since they do not have legal authority to use violent force, they cannot legally initiate physical force against a peaceful person.

I'm sure you can see how a corrupt store owner is one thing, but giving that corrupt store owner the legal right to initiate force against peaceful people and you have quite another situation on your hands.

We create these dangerous corruption vacuums when we break up morality and give different moral rules to different humans depending on whether they have a badge pinned to their jacket or not.
That's when you have really initiated the destruction of freedom, when you take a universal moral like 'thou shall not initiate physical force or the threat of force against a peaceful person' and you chop it up and hand it to some people and hand the opposite moral rule to others.


and the solution is??

Modelexis
02-09-2013, 06:58 PM
Originally posted by OU812
and the solution is??

I doubt I have the answer you're looking for, but I would suggest looking at alternative ways of organizing society other than by the barrel of a gun.
Lots of fancy restaurants don't have the ability to threaten their customers with jail time for not dressing up to code, yet somehow people follow the house rules. We can look at how places like this are able to get people to comply with their wishes without guns.

Very interesting topic and this is the most important discussion I think we can have at this point.
I don't really have the ultimate answer to the question, and I think that's a good thing. I don't think any one person can say how society should be run and that's fundamentally why I think we've got such a messed up society full of men in suits trying to tell people how they should live and what they can smoke.
I would be terrible at telling people how they should live their lives, other than to say they should not steal rape murder etc.

Look at voluntary tips given to waiters and waitresses, tens of thousands of Canadians rely almost entirely on voluntary tips from customers for their living income.
How are they able to extract money from people in a peaceful manner and sustain a living without using a gun to force tips?
If there was a country wide law that stated tips must be 10% or you go to jail and someone suggested we remove the law you might argue that without the law and the guns no one would tip.
Of course we know this to be false.
But why is it false? What possible reason could people have for volunteering to give money over and above what their meal cost without any legal obligations or contracts?

(Imagine that there currently is a country wide 10% minimum law)
Here is an example I will use your comment to illustrate my point:

We should look at ways of supporting the wages of waiters and waitresses without using guns.

and the solution is??

I don't really know, we can just start by not using guns?

That's not a solution, what happens when the law is gone and the waiters all lose their jobs?

I dunno, maybe people will just keep giving them tips out of their own free will.

That sounds like wishful thinking, doubt it would happen, too risky.
Try again hippie!


A personal example I could give is one time I was coming home late and it was during the summer. As I was headed down the road in my local area I saw a parking lot full of kids with a projector and it looked like they were having an outdoor movie event.
I shift to neutral and coast by them at 20kms/h and wait until I am past and put it in third gear and idle down the street.

When I got to the end of the street there was a cop car with his lights off waiting on the side of the road to use the threat of force to anyone who tried to grandstand passed and interrupt the event.

There was no law saying I had to drive like this, legally I could have driven 50kms/h and created a disturbance.
Why did I act this way without a law forcing me to?

In Canada, we currently cannot figure out a way to encourage people to save for their retirement without using the threat of jail/death. I know this because I called CRA last year to ask if I could opt out of CPP. She wasn't sure at first and had to check with her superiors since it was not a question she had ever been asked. The answer came back no, you are legally obligated to participate unless you want to risk jail time.

CD007
02-09-2013, 07:33 PM
2 winnipeg cops just got off shooting some guy in the ass, saying he was trying to get the cops gun.

Skidro
02-09-2013, 07:40 PM
Originally posted by Modelexis

Very interesting topic and this is the most important discussion I think we can have at this point.
I don't really have the ultimate answer to the question, and I think that's a good thing. I don't think any one person can say how society should be run and that's fundamentally why I think we've got such a messed up society full of men in suits trying to tell people how they should live and what they can smoke.
I would be terrible at telling people how they should live their lives, other than to say they should not steal rape murder etc.


Also you are not forced to be a part of a restaurant and dine there... but you are forced to be part of society

Modelexis
02-09-2013, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by Skidro
Also you are not forced to be a part of a restaurant and dine there... but you are forced to be part of society

To that point, you could go further and say that I can open my own restaurant if I'm not pleased with any of the choices available.

http://oi45.tinypic.com/308wdg4.jpg

thetransporter
02-09-2013, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by VTEXTC


Case in point: DRLs save lives.

A

I have a USDM Toyota truck it has DRL- do you think they disabled it?

revelations
02-10-2013, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by Modelexis
http://oi45.tinypic.com/308wdg4.jpg

Not gonna lie, but that was some funny shit ....... :rofl:

revelations
02-10-2013, 01:08 AM
Originally posted by CD007
2 winnipeg cops just got off shooting some guy in the ass, saying he was trying to get the cops gun.

You mean like in training day?

guEsIzFOtG4

rx7boi
02-10-2013, 02:13 AM
^ haha funny clip

OU812
02-10-2013, 07:25 AM
Modelexis im guessing reading what youve written on this page that you are a believer in the Freeman on lthe land?

OU812
02-10-2013, 08:18 AM
LAPD to review his case now. Wonder how that will trun out?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/10/us/lapd-attacks/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Tik-Tok
02-10-2013, 12:40 PM
LAPD to review their case where the LAPD reviewed his case about LAPD racism and violence

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I don't know how the feds aren't involved yet.

Modelexis
02-10-2013, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by OU812
Modelexis im guessing reading what youve written on this page that you are a believer in the Freeman on lthe land?

No, the freeman on the land is an attempt to go up against the state and put yourself in a position where you are likely to go to jail.

You're attempting to label the philosophy so that you can dismiss it as fringe or hippie etc. I'm just suggesting that morality is universal and all men are equal.

I don't rail against the state or try to get myself arrested or hire lawyers to play word games with a violent entity.
My fellow man are what stands between a violent society and a peaceful society, people that refuse to reason or listen to arguments. People who dismiss and call names when someone disagrees with them. In terms of productivity, I'd rather spread the ideas to my fellow man than try to take on a cop that is likely to use physical force.

These ideas seem hippie puff puff pass type of stuff, but I'm just telling you that the way you live your life and the way you interact with other people is the right way to live. You don't use a gun to get a job interview or buy groceries etc so what if that behavior is right?

What if the way you live your life is moral?

I'm not saying sell all your property and join me on peace expedition through the Sahara desert wearing home made bead clothing, I'm just giving you an argument for universal morality.