Supercharger or Turbo for RX-8 [Archive] - Beyond.ca - Car Forums

1badPT

02-18-2004, 12:44 AM

I heard the RX-8 engine's compression made it unsuitable for turbo/supercharging (too high) and yet its fuel efficiency is still ass.

One of the people I work with bought an RX-8 as soon as it came out and the first thing he noticed is it pissed gas away like mad, but he also noticed it was pretty gutless - this after mazda hyped the new engine.

Shortly after he bought it, Mazda contacted him with an apology letter, and offered him $1000 in free aftermarket parts at par or they would buy the car back from him at par. He handed them the keys. Style-wise I love it, I just wish the engine matched the looks of the car.

Akagi Redsuns

02-18-2004, 07:55 AM

This has been discussed before in another thread on beyond which included Dr. Lightspeed.......and that erupted in a flame war...hence why he isn't in the this thread probably.

In either case, the RX-8 is nice, but too much $$$ to make it like the FD3S....I rather just get the FD3S myself. Better handling, better styling and more power :)

Hollywood

02-18-2004, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Akagi Redsuns
This has been discussed before in another thread on beyond which included Dr. Lightspeed.......and that erupted in a flame war...hence why he isn't in the this thread probably.

Originally posted by rage2
Curious, has Dr. Lightspeed built a RX-7 before? Wondering what he's got under his belt.

I always thought MaxT was the resident rotary expert here?

Rage, Your supposed the bringer of peace! For once you are a shit disturber!

Hahahahaha.

Wookey

02-18-2004, 02:01 PM

For the right price anything can be done. Yes, the 13BRenesis has very high compression, yes its exhaust ports can be a problem, but with enough money anything can be accomplished. Theres lots of people out there that say you can't boost an 86-91 13B N/A motor and yet i know of a guy here in edmonton thats boosted his. Also one of my friends has a supercharged 13B in his FB that also runs nitrous. If you have enough knowledge and money it can be done.:thumbsup:

Redlyne_mr2

02-18-2004, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by rage2
Curious, has Dr. Lightspeed built a RX-7 before? Wondering what he's got under his belt.

I always thought MaxT was the resident rotary expert here?
RX7 maybe not Im not sure but when it comes to the rx8 Dr. Lightspeed knows what the hell he's doing

rage2

02-18-2004, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by Hollywood
Rage, Your supposed the bringer of peace! For once you are a shit disturber!
I was curious cuz a friend of mine just picked up an RX-8, and he's looking for a lot more power already. I see a whole lot of recommendation from ppl that don't even own a mazda, just friends of dr lightspeed.

I mean, there's a lot of friends of speedtech on here, and it doesn't make sense if they recommended me to go to speedtech for 944 turbo engine work, because that's not their expertise, they don't work on them regularly.

Just trying to make sure the car goes to the right place, that's all. Not trying to start anything up.

1badPT

02-18-2004, 03:26 PM

Out of curiosity, what power mods does your friend have in mind for his RX-8?

rage2

02-18-2004, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by 1badPT
Out of curiosity, what power mods does your friend have in mind for his RX-8?
I dunno, since I know absolutely nothing about rotories. He asked me for advice, and I've just started doing research for him.

He's got more bling than me tho, crazy enough to rip apart a week old car heh.

Redlyne_mr2

02-18-2004, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by rage2

I was curious cuz a friend of mine just picked up an RX-8, and he's looking for a lot more power already. I see a whole lot of recommendation from ppl that don't even own a mazda, just friends of dr lightspeed.

I mean, there's a lot of friends of speedtech on here, and it doesn't make sense if they recommended me to go to speedtech for 944 turbo engine work, because that's not their expertise, they don't work on them regularly.

Just trying to make sure the car goes to the right place, that's all. Not trying to start anything up.
yah man I get what you're saying, I know nothing about the rx8 as well but Dr. Lightspeed has been busy buildig and tuning the things. Visit www.canzoomer.com for more info

Akagi Redsuns

02-18-2004, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2

yah man I get what you're saying, I know nothing about the rx8 as well but Dr. Lightspeed has been busy buildig and tuning the things. Visit www.canzoomer.com for more info

Interesting I guess...... what does he do beyond the appearance mods and some MazdaSpeed (big $$) parts though? Porting? Headers? All I see for performance is exhausts or the Fuel/Ignition/Air ignition Controller starting at $800, good for 20HP?

In any case, good luck with that.

silverEL

02-18-2004, 07:18 PM

car is a pos
dont waste your time

2000impreza

02-18-2004, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by silverEL
car is a pos
dont waste your time

care to explain how is it a POS and why is it a waste of time? :rolleyes:

imo its a good car.. just not for all out straight line speed.

Hollywood

02-19-2004, 09:45 AM

I like it. It's light too.

Akagi Redsuns

02-19-2004, 10:02 AM

The styling of the RX-8 does nothing for me, but yet the FD3S RX-7 still stops me in my tracks when I see it.....such a beautuful design and from way back in 1991....aged pretty good. A positive note is that when you are driving the RX-8, you can't see the exterior and the interior is very nice.

The RX-8 is great car for a 4 seater sports car. Handles well, the rotary engine is a blast to rev and drive. Sure it's not fast in acclerating, but plenty quick enough to have fun with and loves the corners. Comparable to the Miata, it never had too much power, but was a blast to drive and was a sales success despite being very slow. The quick turn-in of the RX-8 is something else, but it lacks the edge that the RX-7 has.

I just hope Mazda has all the issues worked out with the new batch of cars. Power is not where Mazda says it is, Fuel Economy still blows, reports of flooding issues still, TSB on the oil pan, issues with rust in the trunk linings...similar to the issues with the rust in the Mazda 6 and even some engines that needed replacing under warranty. The big question is can the Mazda dealerships maintain these cars? Their track record with the RX-7 is pretty horrific.

rage2

02-19-2004, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by silverEL
car is a pos
dont waste your time
I dunno man, I drove the car, and it's really not bad. Other than the lack of power, it's a pretty well rounded package.

Redlyne_mr2

02-19-2004, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by Akagi Redsuns
The styling of the RX-8 does nothing for me, but yet the FD3S RX-7 still stops me in my tracks when I see it.....such a beautuful design and from way back in 1991....aged pretty good. A positive note is that when you are driving the RX-8, you can't see the exterior and the interior is very nice.

The RX-8 is great car for a 4 seater sports car. Handles well, the rotary engine is a blast to rev and drive. Sure it's not fast in acclerating, but plenty quick enough to have fun with and loves the corners. Comparable to the Miata, it never had too much power, but was a blast to drive and was a sales success despite being very slow. The quick turn-in of the RX-8 is something else, but it lacks the edge that the RX-7 has.

I just hope Mazda has all the issues worked out with the new batch of cars. Power is not where Mazda says it is, Fuel Economy still blows, reports of flooding issues still, TSB on the oil pan, issues with rust in the trunk linings...similar to the issues with the rust in the Mazda 6 and even some engines that needed replacing under warranty. The big question is can the Mazda dealerships maintain these cars? Their track record with the RX-7 is pretty horrific.
Yes Ive heard about those problems as well, IMO the rx8 is an americanized sports car, too much hype and too expensive for that type of car

Loose

02-19-2004, 04:37 PM

I like the car. Every magazine shootout I've seen it in it's won beating the Cobra, 350z, G35, S2000, etc.

I guess I'd have to try one out to really see, but it looks like a really fun car. Big disappointment that they make less power than previously advertised.

For 40G's there aren't many other cars I'd preffer. The WRX is just about the most boring car ever albeit a bit cheaper, and the Nissans and Honda's are like $10k more.

:dunno:

WSP

02-19-2004, 04:45 PM

All i can say is for the money that car should not have to be supercharged or turbo'd....it should come with one or the other....mazda f*ck'd up when putting that engine in.

87gmc4x4

02-19-2004, 05:01 PM

I like turbos best

Dr. Lightspeed

02-19-2004, 10:56 PM

There is actually two different Superchargers systems being developed out there and one turbo system. I know this because we have been contacted about installing their prototype systems on our test car and then do then tune. There are quite a few issues which make supercharging a stock rx8. ONe is the high compression and the other is some rather weak internals. It is going to be a challenge to make them work properly and make some good power.
Rage that was a fair comment that only my friends were replying but that is because they were the only ones that knew what I was doing we kept it under wraps a bit to beat everyone to market. I have personally spent in the neighborhood of 200 hours developing and tuning our ECU mod of that I would have to say there was probally 50 hours of dyno time. There is a product out there that is known as the CANZOOMER ecu mod. If you go on any one of the RX8 forums it is talked quite a bit about. We tuned out a solid 25 horsepower and developed a plug and play module to be sold to the public. After we were done we had it dyno testes in Edmonton so that our posted results were un biased. Just to add to it sometime in the next month this mod will be featured on Speedvision. As well two separate Rotary magazines have done articles. ( RX Tunr, and Rotary News.) I do not know fully what was said as my partner has handled all communications with the Media as well as the public. I will post our out of house dyno sheet as well as some pics of the unit.

JordanLotoski

02-19-2004, 10:58 PM

me personally would say no....then again i buy new cars for the warrenty.....turbo would void it..and i dont need the hassle

Dr. Lightspeed

02-19-2004, 11:03 PM

Here is the dyno sheet

Dr. Lightspeed

02-19-2004, 11:04 PM

Here is the pics of the unit itself.

Dr. Lightspeed

02-19-2004, 11:15 PM

Here are some comments from users.

"HOLY SHIITE MUSLIMS! I just installed CanZoomers Stage I

I must admit I thought the other guys were exaggerating about this mod, but damn! it really packs a punch! The install was not painfull at all (but I broke the wire clips) and when he says the ECU cover will be snug........well, lets just say this was the hardest part of the install. Anyway got it all done, reset the ECU (steering wheel all the way to the left and right) and took it for a spin and headed to AutoBahn 5 (READ NO SPEED LIMIT) with a Sh*& eating grin on my face. Never had a chance to check it out in 2nd or 3rd in town, but 1st got stomped on twice and I was grinnin like the devil himself!

Ok, Made it to the on ramp and waited till a huge break in traffic so I could start out from 0 and move it on through. I thought 1st was good before, but when I slammed second, I thought I was in HEAVEN! The pull in the high Rs is way beyond VTEC. It was truly amazing in 2nd, and well 3rd 4th and 5th! I took her up to a solid 130 MPH and held it a bit before I backed off (my snow tires are H-rated as I mentioned before so I didn't wanna push the limit too much). Anyway, long story short, EVERYONE, save your $$ and get this thing! I would have paid twice as much if I knew it felt this good. "

"Today I was fortunate enough to go for a ride in StealhTL's RX-8, in case you weren't aware he is testing the Stage1 ECU Kit for canzoomer and all I can say is WOW!

We did several 2nd and 3rd gear runs to redline on the highway and I can honestly say there is a huge difference in power over stock. The power comes on nice and strong up to 5k rpm where all of a sudden it feels like a turbo kicks in, you can really feel it push you back into your seat, and it continues this boost of power right to redline nice and smooth without any stumbles. I was expecting a noticeable difference but I didn't think it would be as big a change as it was, I was really shocked, I'm sure I had a really stupid grin on my face.

What really surprised me was that when we hit 5k rpm and the power came on the rear end actually broke loose, I never expected that in a full throttle run from 2k rpm. Granted it is winter here and the cold pavement contributed to this but it was still really surprising.

All in all I can say I was extremely impressed, my RX-8 should arrive any day now and I'm definately getting the stage 1 kit as soon as possible."

" pulled a best Gtech run last evening (actually early this morning) of 13.78 with a nearly perfect launch and reving to 9K. Pretty impressive."

Just some of the comments

Hollywood

02-19-2004, 11:35 PM

Whats with the wierd spikes in the dyno? Does it have spark problems?

Dr. Lightspeed

02-19-2004, 11:41 PM

The major spikes are caused by the switching of the intake tracks. The minor ones in the stock version is because of Mazda's very wild fuel curve. It is probally the worst I have ever seen on a stock vehicle. By the way canzoomer is not me he is my partner and is in charge of all marketing.

vroom, vroom

02-20-2004, 12:18 AM

Godd Info from Dr.Lightspeed thanks for the reply and I'll look for the CanZooomer. Oh yea where is this web site for the CanZooooomer? thx.

Dr. Lightspeed

02-20-2004, 01:04 PM

Oh yes the other spikes in the upper region of the stock tune is being caused by the bridging of the intake runners it seriously affects the af mixture. As you can see we have smoothed it out quite a bit. The one thing that everyone that drives the car in stock tune notices is a slight dip in power around 7100 we have changed that to a nice push over the stock tune. If you have questions of a technical nature please feel free to pm me. Please do not PM for marketing information as I am not handling that at all. The url for Canzoomer was posted above by someone else.

heavyD

02-20-2004, 01:24 PM

Ha Ha Ha Ha! RX-8 is a great all around car, but anyone who buys one for straight line speed is wasting money. Sure the renesis engine has a linear powerband right through 9000 rpm almost like an electric motor but you still end up looking at the rear lecense plate of say an SRT-4 which cost less money and is faster.

The renesis engine wasn't built for turbocharging or supercharging period. The renesis has side exhaust ports and larger intake ports which are N/A features. Forced induction will destroy the intake runners. Plus do to the location of the exhaust manifold, there is no room for a turbo.

Stock RX-8 = good all around car with a bit of personality
Modified RX-8 = waste of money

If you have the money for an RX-8 and want straight line speed, you would be better off upgrading to a 350Z.

rx7_turbo2

02-20-2004, 11:34 PM

Hmm not sure how I missed this thread. Looks like Max missed it too.

I'm not a big fan of the RX-8. I mostly don't like the styling, but I'm also not a fan of the seemingly low power potential of that motor. I don't know enough about the system Dr. Lightspeed has developed so I can't really comment. Other than to say the article in RX Tuner magazine was more of an endorsement written by his partner than it was any kind of unbiased opinion of the product. I also have not lurked around the RX-8 forums enough to see what the buzz on it is. Looks like it's squeezing a bit more power out of that motor. It's my understanding the unit squeezed even more power out of the motor but was "tuned down" a bit for the public's consumption so as not to be popping motors unexpectedly. What has Mazda said about the unit? Will they honor the warranty on car's equiped with this unit? If the warranty is kept in place so people don't need to be pulling the unit in and out everytime they take the car in then I would say this box seems to have serviced a need in the RX-8 community.

My biggest issue is that while it seems 200whp or even slightly higher have been pulled out of the renesis it just doesnt seem to be able to do what the old 13bt or 13brew could do. That being the ability to slap on a massive turbo, take care of the fuel mods and go driving. As was mentioned the renesis just wasnt desigend to run like that for a whole variety of design and component issues.

In the end if I owned an RX-8 and had money to burn, or had a friend in the same position I would or I would reccomend yanking the renesis and dropping in an REW, then bolting a T51 or equivelant to the side. Which brings us to another issue, how much power can the driveline components of the RX-8 handle?

Hollywood

02-21-2004, 01:28 AM

If I was more of a high roller, they look real sharp with the cwest body kit and a nice set of wheels, then throw in the cosmo and a KAI and I would be a happy guy!

Dr. Lightspeed

02-21-2004, 09:57 AM

I do agree this is not an rx7 turbo. I absolutely do agree this engine will not see the power potential of a 13BT even with an exceptional amount of work. However I do think this engine being designed as an NA is an exceptional example of engineering. That a little tuning brings it to 200 whp. I do feeel there is substantially more in this little engine even as an NA engine. I am continuing r&d on smoothing out the power transitions of the switching intake. As for how much the powetrain will take that is a good question havn't broken it yet after I break it I will tell you. The rx8 is not a monster horsepower platform that is for shure. If you want monster horsepower buy an rx7 put the same amount of $$ or less into it as buying a new rx8. The rx8 is a fun car tho for the avrage guy wanting a comfortable little sportscar. I have driven alot of cars and I absolutely love how comfortable this car is. I am 6'6" and I fit comfortably in this car. As for how it handles I was quite impressed it took quite a bit for me to get this car to break loose in a corner but it handled and behaved perfectly. We will be throwing a set of JIC's on this car as soon as the snow goes away and I will be excited to see how that affects the handling. No it is not an rx7 but it is a new car and has warranty and there isn't an rx7 that still has a warranty. As for Mazda honoring warranty with our controller it was made to be installed and removed in 10 mins with no traces of it ever being installed. Even with it installed Mazdas equipment can't detect it. One of the units has been submitted to Mazda for testing by one of our US distributers. If Mazda aproves it all warranites will be honored with it installed so we cross our fingers and wait. I just got my copy yesterday of RX Tunr and it is true my partner did write it this was news to me when I asked Maurice about it he told me that he was approached by the magazine to submit some facts with the trials of the developement of this product he submitted it to them as more of a story of the development with the trials we encountered they liked his story and decided to print it just as he wrote it. As for the Canzoomer name I thought it was a little corny at first but it grew on me being proud to be Canadian. Canzoomer = Canadian Zoom Zoom.

adrianracer

03-07-2004, 11:33 PM

To me it seems crazy to have to put $6000 or so into a $37,000 car to get the engine to match the performance of the rest of the car, and just imagine the gas mileage after you added forced induction to it? Maybe Mazdaspeed will come out with a solution so you won't lose warrenty like Mopar does with its performance parts.

speed_pro

03-09-2004, 11:45 PM

Ya I was looking at buying a RX-8 but it still lacked that 0-60 spec of 7 secs, that does not compare to the old RX-7. Oh well I ended up buying the SRT-4, sorry Mazda lol.

Hollywood

03-10-2004, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by speed_pro
Ya I was looking at buying a RX-8 but it still lacked that 0-60 spec of 7 secs, that does not compare to the old RX-7. Oh well I ended up buying the SRT-4, sorry Mazda lol.

Car and driver back in 95' says 0-60 in 5.5 seconds.

SRT way to go man. Japaneese auto's need to be punished for not going forced induction in this day, excluding subaru.

heavyD

03-10-2004, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by Hollywood

Car and driver back in 95' says 0-60 in 5.5 seconds.

SRT way to go man. Japaneese auto's need to be punished for not going forced induction in this day, excluding subaru.

The VQ35DE V6 in the 350Z is a very smooth and capable engine without a turbo. 3.5L & 287 HP are pretty nice numbers, not too far off what the last 300ZX did with twin turbos. I like turbos too but sometimes I long for a nice linear powerplant as they make for better daily drivers.

ACX

03-10-2004, 06:16 PM

RX8+ mods = STI or Cobra. Just my.02.

I settled on the Turd SRT4 too.:D

Hollywood

03-10-2004, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by heavyD

The VQ35DE V6 in the 350Z is a very smooth and capable engine without a turbo. 3.5L & 287 HP are pretty nice numbers, not too far off what the last 300ZX did with twin turbos. I like turbos too but sometimes I long for a nice linear powerplant as they make for better daily drivers.

Ya but what is the reason why you switched from a honda to a dsm?

1 word....TURBO. You told me your self. You get more bang for your buck in mods with a turbo car over N/A.

If one is searching for a good N/A flat power band, than m3/m5 is the way to go, otherwise give it up for forced induction.

GTS Jeff

03-10-2004, 06:47 PM

someone told me that mazdaspeed is working on a hydraulic s/c for the rx8. anyone else heard this? or is it all bs?

heavyD

03-11-2004, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by Hollywood

Ya but what is the reason why you switched from a honda to a dsm?

1 word....TURBO. You told me your self. You get more bang for your buck in mods with a turbo car over N/A.

If one is searching for a good N/A flat power band, than m3/m5 is the way to go, otherwise give it up for forced induction.

Ha! Ha! You're comparing N/A 4-cylinders to turbo 4-cyl. That's a no-brainer. Honda has a 6-speed Accord coupe with the VTEC V6 engine. It is as fast as an SRT-4 and faster than RSX, WRX, etc. The 2006 Eclipse is rumored to be coming out with a massive 3.8L V6 with over 250hp. If the styling is as beautiful as the recent concept car I would easily drop my 4-cyl Eclipse for one. A good V6 engine (Not including the generic ones GM, Ford & Chrysler make) will always be sweeter than a turbo 4-cyl. Turbo's are great but they will never be a replacement for displacement.

Hollywood

03-11-2004, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
someone told me that mazdaspeed is working on a hydraulic s/c for the rx8. anyone else heard this? or is it all bs?

I heard of that before as a general item nothing specific from Mazda though. But I guess these compressors are super small but extremely effective.

OB1

04-22-2004, 12:50 AM

Question for Dr Lightspeed. I am running a 13BT in a Suzuki SJ410 for 4x4 challenges - toyota autobox. The turbo is a little slow in responding for storming steep hills. Would a supercharger in place of the turbo help and has it been done? Any help/ comments would be appreciated.

Vanilla_AMG

04-22-2004, 01:07 AM

I Still prefer the Mazda RX7. I had the pleasure of witnessing a Mazda RX7 TT on a drag strip.....tell u one thing it made my baby look like a Pinto :-) If u can modify the RX8, let me know and let me know the power....I'll be very interested to know. Good luck!

JAYMEZ

04-22-2004, 01:41 AM

:eek: *whisper* I see dead ....threads......:nut:

DonJuan

04-22-2004, 11:51 AM

WTF is up with these dead threads? put a stake in them already so that they "WON"T RISE AGAIN!!"

cobber112879

04-25-2004, 11:14 PM

Hey Dr. lightspeed, Is that the same RX8 that had the engine replaced at about 6900 kms last fall? Maurice's blue one that blew near Red Deer? Ha ha, thats funny to hear about all this. Maurice was awful tight lipped when asked questions about what he had been doing with this car. The engine was sent to Danny Manning in Ont with the PCM. Did you guys ever get any response from Mazda Canada on this case. The DPSM was real interested in this. Has he had any problems with the new motor?

lam-boy

04-25-2004, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by DonJuan
WTF is up with these dead threads? put a stake in them already so that they "WON"T RISE AGAIN!!"

their writing in these thread for a reason..
they wanan ask questions, if they start a new thread people jump at those guys and try to slash their throats for not using the search button.
but they revive this and everyone wants to choke them to death!

Dr. Lightspeed

04-25-2004, 11:50 PM

Yea everyone was tight lipped just because a wrong conclussion might be drawn on the motor. There was a full mechanical explanation that was given to Maurice I did hear it once but the main thing was I was releieved to find out that it wasn't a result of anything I had done. ( wheeww) I was sweatin bullets pretty hard and had already put in a call to our insurance company to get a claim started. It was really weird we played with the car all night before on the highway doing repeated pulls fine tuning the fuel we are very happy unload all the equipment out of the car and Maurice drives to the Motel gets up drives to the shop we were going to do a final dyno he is backing the car up on the dyno it stalls and won't start. Well we tried for a couple hours I pulled the plugs they were soaked did a quick compresison check and nothing. I believe it was an oil injector that failed but since you brought it up I will ask Maurice tom. Apparantly there is an oil level light that was coming on in some of the origional cars people were correcting the problem merely by swerving the car side to side to turn the sensor off. At the time the engine popped Mazda Canada had apparantly already used up their supply of Renesis Engines. I believe that somewhere around 60 engines had been requested at that time in North America. Point of intrest tho it has been found out that the Renesis has a very very sensitve knock sensor. Matter of fact that the knock control is so good that a couple guys running 15.8 to1 in Austrailia just saw a power drop off as the timing was pulled and that is all if you can believe it. After we found out that we played with it here quite a bit and found out that the engine likes a very lean AFR before it is even close to detonation. The detontation point is very close to a 14.6-1 which was very surprising. The other thing that was intresting is that the fuel delivery is not based upon engine load but is based upon load vs gear which was very interesting and has presented a couple intresting hurdles. If you wanted to know the whole story Maurice was very detailed with the whole thing on the RX8club forum. The new motor has been absolutely flawless the only problem encountered was no block heater and the car was out of commission for a while when the weather hit -35C. In the next couple weeks tho the motor will be pulled a friend of mine is doing up another Renesis with ceramic seal and some experimental porting. We are going to be testing a couple prototype superchargers and then do the tuning for a couple companies and want to have a little stronger motor.

cobber112879

04-26-2004, 06:36 AM

Thats good to hear. To be perfectly honest, I told no one about what I thought you guys had been doing with the car. What happened was the district manager had come down to Red Deer the next week and was looking the car over. Noticed the holes and plugs in the exhaust and started asking questions. Maurice was such a great guy to deal with considering I had to order the Renisis from Japan and it took so long to get there. By the way, I assume that you must be Cameron, the gentleman who came to Mazda with Maurice the day it was towed. Great to hear that the car is running well for him.:thumbsup: