Police search for clues after woman found dead on SW road

[thetransporter]

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/topstories/2013/03/20/hi-sunaltawoman.jpg
Calgary police say they still don't know why a young woman was found dead in the middle of a road near downtown Calgary early this morning.

'We’re going to be canvassing the neighbourhood.'
— Staff Sgt. John McCarthy
A taxi driver called police after discovering the body at 15th Avenue and 15th Street S.W. around 4 a.m. MT.

Duty Insp. Rick Tuza says police also got a call two minutes later about an abandoned beige Cadillac on 12th Avenue and First Street S.W. that had been crashed into two concrete posts.

"It looked like there was significant damage but I can't speak to any evidence that would link either scene to each other at this point," Tuza said.

"Currently, homicide and traffic are investigating these incidents to determine if there are any links."


Traffic investigators are trying to determine if the woman was the victim of a hit and run.

Blood was visible on the road where the woman's body was found and investigators cordoned off several blocks in the area Wednesday.

“We’re going to be canvassing the neighbourhood, looking at the crime scene, if it is a crime scene,” said Staff Sgt. John McCarthy.

“So far we don’t know anything about what happened."


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/story/2013/03/20/calgary-woman-dead-sunalta.html

[Xtrema]

So that's why 12th sucked in the morning.

Hit and run then drive into post and ditch? That pretty smart if the 2 events are related.

[Feruk]

I live in this area. Pedestrian getting hit at that intersection? Big shock... not! Pedestrians don't bother to look both ways before crossing the road because they assume drivers will stop even if there is no crosswalk. To make it worse, drivers stop and propagate this activity. This is the first of many to come.

[heavyfuel]

Originally posted by Xtrema
So that's why 12th sucked in the morning.

Hit and run then drive into post and ditch? That pretty smart if the 2 events are related.

Jails are full of people with akin "pretty smart" ideas.

[dj_patm]

Originally posted by Feruk
I live in this area. Pedestrian getting hit at that intersection? Big shock... not! Pedestrians don't bother to look both ways before crossing the road because they assume drivers will stop even if there is no crosswalk. To make it worse, drivers stop and propagate this activity. This is the first of many to come.

Young teenagers are the worst for this. I almost hit a girl yesterday that was crossing at an intersection with her hood on and head down cause I could not see her as the sun was directly in my eyes and when she finally came into my view, I hit ice. Luckily I was going slow so I stopped but when I honked at her to warn her that I wasn't able to stop she didn't even react.

I could've easily hit her if I was going just 10 over and I'm pretty sure that would ruin my life, even if I stayed.

[clem24]

Originally posted by dj_patm


Young teenagers are the worst for this. I almost hit a girl yesterday that was crossing at an intersection with her hood on and head down cause I could not see her as the sun was directly in my eyes and when she finally came into my view, I hit ice. Luckily I was going slow so I stopped but when I honked her to warn her that I wasn't able to stop she didn't even react.

I could've easily hit her if I was going just 10 over and I'm pretty sure that would ruin my life, even if I stayed.

This right here... Yes it's usually the drivers' fault (like you admit) but at the end of the day, fault is irrelevant if you don't live to see the day. Case in point.. BC has a new campaign out against distracted drivers:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/03/12/bc-pedestrian-video-abbotsford.html

Yes the driver was at fault but I also blame the pedestrian for failing to pay attention as well. Personally I think that campaign is full of fail. I mean, seriously.. The way I see it: you wouldn't walk in front of a moving train; why would you walk in front of a moving car?!?

[doomdealer]

I seriously do not understand why we have this concept of an unmarked crosswalk on major roadways.

For side-streets, I can understand stopping for pedestrian if it's an intersection - I have no problem with that.

But then for major arterial roads like Centre Street North, every intersection is legally a crosswalk. This becomes a major gong-show when you have rush hour lane-reversal in effect and then have the random pedestrian that just walks out into an intersection expecting everyone to stop.

And really, there are already marked crosswalks + traffic light crossings at pretty much every 2-3 blocks interval. Why do we need the unmarked crosswalks?

[thetransporter]

well RIP.

[DEATH2000]

Originally posted by dj_patm



I could've easily hit her if I was going just 10 over and I'm pretty sure that would ruin my life, even if I stayed.
Dash Cam.

Traffic Safety Act states that pedestrians ONLY have the right of way at crosswalks, even if the light is against them. It states that if they are crossing in the middle of the street then they do not have the write of way. This means if you hit them, your not at fault. Their was a thread discussing this a while back.

[Mista Bob]

Originally posted by clem24


The way I see it: you wouldn't walk in front of a moving train; why would you walk in front of a moving car?!?

Are you forgetting how often people manage to get hit by the LRT? :rofl:

If you ask me this whole issue with pedestrians getting hit is largely due to all the efforts in place to ''avoid'' this.
School zones especially, we may as well be teaching kids it's OK to cross without looking because hey! It's a school zone so its safe right?

[Feruk]

Originally posted by doomdealer
every intersection is legally a crosswalk.
Not saying you're wrong here, but I think you are. Got anything to back that up? If this statement was true, it'd be really frightening.

[Mibz]

Originally posted by Feruk

Not saying you're wrong here, but I think you are. Got anything to back that up? If this statement was true, it'd be really frightening. I failed my first driving test because I didn't yield to a pedestrian at an uncontrolled intersection. Not even points, straight up insta-fail. Here's what the ATSA says:

Yielding to pedestrians
41
(1)
A person driving a vehicle shall yield the right of way to a pedestrian crossing the roadway within a crosswalk.
(3)
At any place on a roadway other than at a crosswalk, a person driving a vehicle has the right of way over pedestrians unless otherwise directed by a peace officer or a traffic control device.
Yielding by pedestrians
92
A pedestrian who is crossing a roadway at any point other than within a crosswalk shall yield the right of way to vehicles on the roadway.

Pedestrians’ right of way
93
(1)
At a place where there is a crosswalk, a pedestrian has, unless otherwise directed by a peace officer or a traffic control device, the right of way over vehicles for the purpose of crossing the roadway within the crosswalk.
(2)
Notwithstanding subsection (1), nothing in this section relieves a pedestrian from the duty of exercising due care for the pedestrian’s own safety.
Unfortunately, it doesn't define "crosswalk" anywhere. It does, however, use "crosswalk" in some places and "marked crosswalk" in others so the two could be distinct.

:dunno:

I yield to pedestrians at all intersections, it's just not worth the giant ticket. I'll pull a snowcat on jaywalkers though, haha.

EDIT: http://www.albertacanada.com/immigration/living/transport-traffic-laws.aspx
Pedestrians have the right of way at crosswalks and intersections unless otherwise posted, though caution should be used before stepping on to the street.http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/2046.htm
When a pedestrian has entered a marked or unmarked crosswalk, you must yield the right-of-way.
I'm guessing from those that all intersections, unless otherwise indicated, are unmarked crosswalks and pedestrians have the RoW

[DeleriousZ]

Pedestrians prettymuch always have the right of way. If they walk out into the street and you hit them, it's most likely going to be deemed your fault.

[Thaco]

NE? :dunno: :angel:

[Isaiah]

Originally posted by DEATH2000

Dash Cam.

Traffic Safety Act states that pedestrians ONLY have the right of way at crosswalks, even if the light is against them. It states that if they are crossing in the middle of the street then they do not have the write of way. This means if you hit them, your not at fault. Their was a thread discussing this a while back.
Write their is wear your wrong.

Right =/= Write
Your =/= You're
Their =/= There

Rudimentary.

[speedog]

Originally posted by Isaiah

Write their is wear your wrong.

Right =/= Write
Your =/= You're
Their =/= There

Rudimentary.

Thanx Isiaiah..

Macleod Trail example (google maps link (https://maps.google.ca/?ll=51.014592,-114.065166&spn=0.003982,0.026157&t=h&z=16&layer=c&cbll=51.014598,-114.065162&panoid=AGaXK5A4ELDg70lXMMRVqA&cbp=11,207.4,,0,5.17)), most definitely an uncontrolled and unmarked intersection where a pedestrian would have the right of way when crossing Macleod Trail. No signs prohibiting a pedestrian from crossing such as one sees at some intersections in the city and yet if I was a pedestrian there, I would probably walk to the nearest controlled intersection to cross unless traffic was very light to non-existent. An extra 2-4 minutes out of my life as a pedestrian certainly seems to far outweigh the risk of playing Frogger on Macloed Trail.

[doomdealer]

Originally posted by Feruk

Not saying you're wrong here, but I think you are. Got anything to back that up? If this statement was true, it'd be really frightening.

I wish I was incorrect as well... check this out:

http://www.calgary.ca/Transportation/Roads/Documents/Traffic/Traffic-safety-programs/Traffic-tips-booklet.pdf?noredirect=1

Under the Pedestrian Crosswalk section:



• Unmarked crosswalks exist at every
intersection where there is a sidewalk at both
sides of the intersection. Unmarked crosswalks
extend from the corner of one sidewalk,
across the roadway, to the corner of the
opposite sidewalk.


You can also check out the Alberta Traffic Safety Act:



“crosswalk” means
(i) that part of a roadway at an intersection included
within the connection of the lateral line of the
sidewalks on opposite sides of the highway measured
from the curbs or, in the absence of curbs, from the
edges of the roadway, or
(ii) any part of a roadway at an intersection or elsewhere
distinctly indicated for pedestrian crossing by signs
or by lines or by other markings on the road surface;

[Cos]

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[Xtrema]

#1 2 incidents unrelated.

#2 http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/03/23/woman-found-dead-in-calgary-intersection-identified-by-friend-as-toronto-call-girl

[DEATH2000]

Originally posted by Isaiah

Write their is wear your wrong.

Right =/= Write
Your =/= You're
Their =/= There

Rudimentary.
iPhone only does spell check, and not grammer check. I forgot to proof it before hand. Hopefully the point was made anyway.

[Marsh]

Apparently she was an escort from Toronto. Working in Calgary

[Supa Dexta]

Apparently you didnt read the thread.

[cam_wmh]

Originally posted by Marsh
Apparently she was an escort from Toronto. Working in Calgary


Originally posted by Supa Dexta
Apparently you didnt read the thread.

How so?
You mean he noted a significant piece of information from a news article just posted?

Originally posted by Xtrema
#1 2 incidents unrelated.

#2 http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/03/23/woman-found-dead-in-calgary-intersection-identified-by-friend-as-toronto-call-girl

[BigShow]

I feel much less sympathetic given her choice of lifestyle.

[speedog]

Originally posted by BigShow
I feel much less sympathetic given her choice of lifestyle.

Does this mean that her value as a human being is significantly less because she may have been a prostitute?

Should we have less sympathy for a 70 year old trucker who lives in a rented trailer and has nothing to their name who gets killed by a drunk driver while walking to the 7/11 than a 20 something pointy shoe wearing hipster driving a Mercedes/BMW they own outright to the same 7/11 who also happens to get killed by a drunk driver?

Why is there less sympathy for this young lady and especially so when we don't even know any of the details surrounding her current situation or the situation she might have happened upon that fateful night?

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by BigShow
I feel much less sympathetic given her choice of lifestyle.

This is no different than giving it away for free on Friday night and getting the same fate.

Violence toward women is the same regardless of the circumstance.

[CanmoreOrLess]

Originally posted by BigShow
I feel much less sympathetic given her choice of lifestyle.

Sounds like just what the killer was thinking on that cold winter morning. One hopes all the people in your life have made the "right" choices including making comments which are shared with a murderer.

[Maybelater]

Originally posted by Mista Bob


Are you forgetting how often people manage to get hit by the LRT? :rofl:

If you ask me this whole issue with pedestrians getting hit is largely due to all the efforts in place to ''avoid'' this.
School zones especially, we may as well be teaching kids it's OK to cross without looking because hey! It's a school zone so its safe right?

When I was in High School more then once I caught shit from the police near the school for trying to cross the road instead of walk all the way around.

Teenagers will be teenagers and will do stuff like this just to be general dickheads.

[thetransporter]

Originally posted by BigShow
I feel much less sympathetic given her choice of lifestyle.


:(

[jefferson2]

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[cancer man]

It might be a serial killer