RIP Mrs. Thatcher

[flipstah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22066982

[Vagabond142]

:cry:

Whilst controversial and at times outright arrogant, she was one of the few politicians that I would put in the "comes with spine included" category.

[jampack]

RIP

[lilmira]

RIP the Iron Lady

That's girl power for ya kids.

[flipstah]

She wasn't a bitch to mess with.

[CanmoreOrLess]

They've got a special place for her and all those like her, at least as I recall from my *history class in university. She supported the dictator Pinochet, was against sanctions against Apartheid in South Africa and supported the Khmer Rouge. For some odd reason people in general gloss over her time in power. Hope she rots.

* I have not touched on all the destruction she directed over the people of her homeland and areas just beyond.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by CanmoreOrLess
They've got a special place for her and all those like her, at least as I recall from my history class in university. She supported the dictator Pinochet, was against sanctions against Apartheid in South Africa and supported the Khmer Rouge. For some odd reason people in general gloss over her time in power. Hope she rots.

Everyone had their ups and downs.

[darthVWader]

RIP

"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left"

Margaret Thatcher

[Xtrema]

At least for Pinochet, I think he helped UK during the Falklands war.

Look, no politician is squeaky clean. It's still debatable if she is good for UK. On one had, she keep UK out of EU and that is vindicated now with EU troubles. The trimming of state services and union busting in the 80s make sense on cutting debt but it also killed off a lot of industries in UK.

[Dren]

RIP

[finboy]

England outlasted her, good for them

http://neilharding.blogspot.co.uk/2005/10/20-reasons-why-i-hate-thatcher.html?m=1

[cam_wmh]

Originally posted by CanmoreOrLess
They've got a special place for her and all those like her, at least as I recall from my *history class in university. She supported the dictator Pinochet, was against sanctions against Apartheid in South Africa and supported the Khmer Rouge. For some odd reason people in general gloss over her time in power. Hope she rots.

* I have not touched on all the destruction she directed over the people of her homeland and areas just beyond.

I'm not a scouse, but her handling of the Hilsborough disaster, was atrocious.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by cam_wmh


I'm not a scouse, but her handling of the Hilsborough disaster, was atrocious.

Was curious about it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster

[Destinova403]

Originally posted by finboy
England outlasted her, good for them

http://neilharding.blogspot.co.uk/2005/10/20-reasons-why-i-hate-thatcher.html?m=1

Read that article until it said that 3000+ Argentinians were killed in the war.

Real number was 649.

Then I stopped reading and the article lost its credibility.

IMO She did what she had to do to protect the country in a very trying time. Eliminating the trade unions and inefficient money-losing industries was necessary in order to streamline the economy and allow it to compete.

[Tik-Tok]

http://i.imgur.com/8i2vh0A.png

[Destinova403]

GDP and
public spending
by functional classification % change in real terms
1979/80 to 1989/90

GDP +23.3

Total government spending +12.9
Law and order +53.3
Employment and training +33.3
Health +31.8
Social security +31.8
Transport −5.8
Trade and industry −38.2
Housing −67.0
Defence −3.3

I just found this table online... It seems to show that the overall impact of her policies were definitely positive over her 10 year rule. She cut the spending on supporting trade unions, increased the countries GDP by 23.3 percent and increased spending on employment, law and order, health, and social security.

Again, I submit that she had to make some very unpopular decisions but ultimately she did what she needed to do to help the country in the long run.

She was an economic conservative that came to power at a time when economic socialism was on its way out. Between her and Reagan, neither of them really had a good time at it.

[lilmira]

http://i.qkme.me/3shp08.jpg

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by Destinova403
BOOM!

That is the sound of knowledge bombs being dropped :clap:

Edit-
So let me get it straight;

Some assholes trampled people, and it is somehow the governments fault?

I mean, it's great to look at the end result and be reactionary to the issue at hand, but if you look at it in a proactive sense, it was the dumbass fans faults as far as I can tell. :dunno: Sure, what was done after is garbage, but still.

England at the time was a socialist waste land, I have friends who grew up during the era prior to Thatcher. What was promised to the people of Britain after WW2 might as well have been Communism, and Communism ain't exactly the hottest form of governing or the style of economy it leads to.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1


That is the sound of knowledge bombs being dropped :clap:


Oh, that's right, this is Alberta, where only profit matters.

[msommers]

This lifted diesel isn't going to pay for itself.

[JAYMEZ]

RIP Thatcher! The PM who was in control when I was born and lived in the UK.. I think she did alright in some stuff.. lol

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by msommers
This lifted diesel isn't going to pay for itself.

Says the guy with the ridiculously overpriced "toy" that isn't good for anything besides commuting in and getting worse mpg than said diesels. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

If you look at that facebook "list" of policies revoked, some of them were insane. The government funded housing they spoke of? It was indexed AGAINST inflation, such that your subsidy grew to keep your payments at the same levels they were when the program was first instituted. (EDIT EVEN THOUGH THE ACTUAL MONETARY VALUE OF THE HOUSING GREW WITH TIME).

Canada is a pretty socialist country, and I am thrilled we are. But Britain was WAY overboard for a long time, and realistically, still is like many other European countries.


Originally posted by Tik-Tok

Oh, that's right, this is Alberta, where only profit matters.

I work as an underpaid government employee doing R&D that puts money back into the government coffers. Sorry, what was that? Go cry over your (free) government spilt milk. :nut:

[black13]

Funny how people not from Britain are remembering her with kind words when from I'm reading most actual British citizens are literally celebrating her death or at least happy about it.

She sure had some balls though.

[ZenOps]

I wonder how close she was to ordering the dropping of nukes on the Falklands instead of regular explosives.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4123598/Argentina-accuses-the-UK-of-deploying-nuclear-weapons-near-the-Falklands.html

[kertejud2]

Originally posted by black13
Funny how people not from Britain are remembering her with kind words when from I'm reading most actual British citizens are literally celebrating her death or at least happy about it.

She sure had some balls though.

Her haters were always more vocal than her supporters. The majority of those supporters didn't always like the policies but still saw them as necessary evils (at least at the time). The fact that all these years later the hurt caused by those policies hasn't healed means that hindsight hasn't treated her legacy well, even if that hurt was necessary. Though many other policies deserved the scorn because they were fucking ridiculous.

So what you're hearing are the people who always hated her rejoicing (Northern Ireland, Northern England, Glasgow etc.), left-wingers (regardless of whether they were alive or conscious or even affected) rejoicing because she is the British Reagan and thus the guiding light of all right wingers so it's a victory I guess.


Obviously the support for her party waned considerably after leaving. Major did win a majority but it was a narrow and surprising one that was mostly fueled by some poor, late tactics by the Labour Party. But Blair's 3 majorities were bigger than any of Thatcher's which show just how much the British people pushed back from those policies.

In the end, Britain is in a better position because of the adjustment that happened. As mentioned the country was unsustainably far to the left, Thatcher shifted the political mindset of the UK so when Labour came in to start moving back, they didn't go as far and we see the Britain we know today. She does deserve a lot of hate she gets for the same reason that Trudeau gets hate out here. Her policies ruined the lives of many people, they increased the violence in Northern Ireland and resulted in a lot of chaos in the working classes. The difference is that Alberta got better. Even Northern Ireland and many industrial centres in England got better. But the most entitled union centres (places in the Northeast and the Midlands especially; or where they like to rag on the most in Top Gear) didn't. They remained shitty and the people still blame Thatcher even though nothing has really gotten going in the 25 years since.

[darthVWader]

Looks like she was well loved :rolleyes:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306165/Margaret-Thatcher-death-parties-The-Lefts-sick-celebration-Brixtons-streets.html?ICO=most_read_module

[finboy]

Lol, daily mail

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by darthVWader
Looks like she was well loved :rolleyes:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306165/Margaret-Thatcher-death-parties-The-Lefts-sick-celebration-Brixtons-streets.html?ICO=most_read_module

Classy.

Most of these punks wasn't born or just babies during Thacher era.

I can see older folks having a grudge but kids? Just an excuse.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by Xtrema


Classy.

Most of these punks wasn't born or just babies during Thacher era.

I can see older folks having a grudge but kids? Just an excuse.

Hatred can be passed down to generations.

[JAYMEZ]

Seems like a bunch of uneducated hooligans being morons. Liverpool is known for its ghettoness so I am not surprised.. What a bunch of disrespectful idiots... Ya an old PM is dead , so lets go destroy our own city . :banghead:

[kertejud2]

Originally posted by flipstah


Hatred can be passed down to generations.

Just look at how many Albertans will never vote Liberal because of Trudeau and the NEP. Most were never alive during his leadership, yet the hate remains. It becomes a cultural thing and any place with a poor, working class population in the UK will have a hate of Thatcher drilled into them. Their parents have been telling them for 20 years that the cause of their shitty life is because of Thatcher.

[black13]

:rofl: The song "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" is climbing up the charts in the UK as its associated with Thatcher. Its from the Wizard of OZ movie soundtrack.

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/music/judy-garlands-ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead-races-up-charts-after-margaret-thatchers-death/story-e6frfn09-1226615599379

Man this kind of hatred is special. Especially after all these years.

[black13]

Originally posted by kertejud2


Just look at how many Albertans will never vote Liberal because of Trudeau and the NEP. Most were never alive during his leadership, yet the hate remains. It becomes a cultural thing and any place with a poor, working class population in the UK will have a hate of Thatcher drilled into them. Their parents have been telling them for 20 years that the cause of their shitty life is because of Thatcher.

Very well said. People still hate Trudeau/mulroney passionately in Alberta especially. It doesn't help that her name is associated with a whole new political style and just for that reason she won't be forgotten. Rarely does a leader get their name remembered like that.

Good points in your previous post as well. I think she tried to change too many things at the same time. Sometime change needs to be done slower.