Looking for an oddball hardcorish track/summer car for my father

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

My dad had an accident yesterday and will likely be looking for a car to replace his Z4M, as we can't find an identical Z4M anywhere in Canada at the moment.

He's requirements are: Convertible, manual, RWD, no heavier than the Z4M, faster type of car.

It can be a summer only car, it can be hardcore, his budget is likely under $70000, as he may like to modify it as well with extra money.

So far he likes the Elise and Caterham 7 kit cars, can't find a Z4M replacement, doesn't like the M3, 1M, Boxster, or Corvette.

Any oddball suggestions?

[RickDaTuner]

I was going to suggest a Spyker C8, but those are a little pricey

[03ozwhip]

get him an S2K and mod the living shit out of it for 70k.

[Cody D]

If he's looking for fast he should stay away from the Elise, stock mine was a mid 14 second car, after supercharging and other small things I was running mid to high 12's. Even then you had to be in the power-band to get anything from it.

I think that he should go with a Caterham 7, my Elise weighed 1910lbs, the Caterham is around 1200lbs I believe. They still won't be overly fast in a straight line (low 13's, high 12's) but I think the overall experience will make up for it. If he can swing one of the Hayabusa powered ones with the sequential shifters that is definitely where I would go. He should take a trip to Vancouver and test drive one, see if the incredibly light weight makes up for it`s lack of torque.

I think that a Caterham will be my next car, it is hard to justify the price that they are asking in Canada though.

[rage2]

Ariel Atom should easily fit the budget, even the higher horsepower models. Problem is, you'll have to figure out how to register it as a U-Bilt kit car. There's one in TO for sale, but the owner is asking crack money (100k) for it because he did the kit car legwork himself, and won't share how he did it. There's some specific requirements for where the parts come from for u-bilt registrations.

Or is that too hardcore? haha

[MustangSVT]

I was going to say Boxster, but you ruled that out. The S2000 suggestion isn't bad, those are definitely very moddable. Other cars that come to mind ->

used CLK or SLK AMG convertible (not sure if these are manual)
Viper??

The Viper would probably fit the bill of "hardcore-ish", though it might be heavier than Z4.

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by MustangSVT
Viper?? The Viper would probably fit the bill of "hardcore-ish", though it might be heavier than Z4.

I don't think James's dad is the viper type..although what do I know! But otherwise it's a solid suggestion, and only a couple hundred pounds heavier given the year.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Spyker is a no go, S2000 is a bit old and underpowered and hard to find a nice condition unmodified one, no manual Mercedes, doesn't want a Viper I already asked.

The Lotus he was looking at was a 2009 S/C Elise in Vancouver with 1350km. He's going out there next week to look at that and Caterham Kits I think.

[gretz]

KTM x-bow

I'm not sure if they are legal here... yet

[DeleriousZ]

v8 swapped Miata :thumbsup:

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

KTM X-Bow would be great but impossible to get here much like the Atom.

[KRyn]

370Z + Stillen Supercarger + Stillen Oiler Cooler?

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo
as we can't find an identical Z4M anywhere in Canada at the moment.


Just curious, what was so unique about his, that these Z4M's don't fit the bill?

http://www.autotrader.ca/a/pv/Used/BMW/Z4%20M%20Series/all/?prx=-1&cty=CALGARY&prv=Alberta&r=20&loc=t2h1a6&cat1=2&cat2=7%2c11%2c10%2c9&trans=Manual&st=1

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


Just curious, what was so unique about his, that these Z4M's don't fit the bill?

http://www.autotrader.ca/a/pv/Used/BMW/Z4%20M%20Series/all/?prx=-1&cty=CALGARY&prv=Alberta&r=20&loc=t2h1a6&cat1=2&cat2=7%2c11%2c10%2c9&trans=Manual&st=1

No identical car to his, he will only buy a Interlagos Blue Convertible, no coupe and no other color.

I already checked with Ryan up at the Gallery and he has none listed on any lots across Canada.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by KRyn
370Z + Stillen Supercarger + Stillen Oiler Cooler?

Neither of us were impressed with the 370Z.

[spikerS]

what about picking up a nicely built cobra kit car?

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by spikers
what about picking up a nicely built cobra kit car?

This kind of interested him but neither of us know much about them.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by spikers
what about picking up a nicely built cobra kit car?

My .02 is those are way too played out. Especially with old men.

There's nothing unique or special about a cobra kit car.... :zzz:

(but I'm not the OP's old man!)

[sidewaysD]

Originally posted by DeleriousZ
v8 swapped Miata :thumbsup:


^^^^

Cheapest track car and abundance of parts for cheap.

:werd:

[CanmoreOrLess]

Buy the exact car he wrote off, get it from the USA, father and son road trip. There may be another USA only colour only offered as well if this is important.

I Googled around, none over 30K and more than a few around. Your dad's year is not mentioned.

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by DeleriousZ
v8 swapped Miata :thumbsup:

DING DING DING!! LS3 Miata..there I got my daily
recommend LSx bug out :D

[Zhariak]

Can't comment on the weight,

BUT CTS-V ALL THE MUTHA FUCKIN WAY :D

/that is all

[finboy]

Lsx s2k would be unique

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

We don't want to fuck around buying from the USA, also this isn't a complete project car either, he has a race car he's been building forever on the side that's the real project, this is a every day daily driver that he can run from April-October at the very least and track.

He's willing to go hardcore but not project hardcore.

Also we already have a huge road trip to the USA for this summer planned with lapping days along the way.

[ercchry]

where the hell is alex m with his superlite?! :rofl:

[roll_over]

Late model NSX? I don't know how fast they are. SLC's!!!!^^^ as featured on Stacey David's gearz http://superlitecars.com

[spikerS]

Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo


This kind of interested him but neither of us know much about them.



Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE


My .02 is those are way too played out. Especially with old men.

There's nothing unique or special about a cobra kit car.... :zzz:

(but I'm not the OP's old man!)

See, I disagree. Besides the actual body, each one is going to be different under the hood.

I also remembered a couple kit car companies that put out some pretty sweet cars, under your price range, and allowed you to go to their facility, and help build it over the course of a week, or you could buy one pre built.

let me see if I still got the info on them.

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by ercchry
where the hell is alex m with his superlite?! :rofl:

I'm actually surprised he hasn't chimed in..

[M.alex]

Originally posted by ercchry
where the hell is alex m with his superlite?! :rofl:

More than he can afford :burnout:

Plus if he thinks a cobra is hardcore project car he hasn't seen anything yet when it comes to the superlite :rofl:

[Cody D]

Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo
The Lotus he was looking at was a 2009 S/C Elise in Vancouver with 1350km. He's going out there next week to look at that and Caterham Kits I think.

Just my two cents again but he should look for a normally aspirated Elise and go with an aftermarket supercharger, the factory Elise/Exige supercharger setups are no where near as good as the new TVS kits and going with a kit you spend less money overall.

The S/C Elise is around 220hp, I think he will be disapointed.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by M.alex


More than he can afford :burnout:

Plus if he thinks a cobra is hardcore project car he hasn't seen anything yet when it comes to the superlite :rofl:


His race car is a lot more of a project than a super light, but this isn't something he wants to build from scratch, unless its a Caterham/Lotus 7 cause those are super easy and he can get it running real quick.

[M.alex]

Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo



His race car is a lot more of a project than a super light, but this isn't something he wants to build from scratch, unless its a Caterham/Lotus 7 cause those are super easy and he can get it running real quick.

What is his race car? :burnout:

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by M.alex


What is his race car? :burnout:

It's a custom design tube frame chassis that he designed and welded himself, basically a car from scratch minus shock absorbers, springs, wheels, brakes, windshield, engine and transmission and a few odd bits like steering wheel and seats.

[asp integra]

964/993 porsche turbo cab?

[wtf im nameless]

Ecoboost or Hayabusa turbo Caterham FTW :drool:

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B25qE9WThzY

[Buster]

Can you get Morgan 3-wheelers in Canada?

[M.alex]

Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo


It's a custom design tube frame chassis that he designed and welded himself, basically a car from scratch minus shock absorbers, springs, wheels, brakes, windshield, engine and transmission and a few odd bits like steering wheel and seats.

You can't get much more project hardcore than that :rofl:

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by wtf im nameless
Ecoboost or Hayabusa turbo Caterham FTW :drool:


I want to build a BEC so badly.

[D. Dub]

Caterham/Hayabusa.

[m10-power]

Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo
My dad had an accident yesterday and will likely be looking for a car to replace his Z4M, as we can't find an identical Z4M anywhere in Canada at the moment.

He's requirements are: Convertible, manual, RWD, no heavier than the Z4M, faster type of car.

It can be a summer only car, it can be hardcore, his budget is likely under $70000, as he may like to modify it as well with extra money.

So far he likes the Elise and Caterham 7 kit cars, can't find a Z4M replacement, doesn't like the M3, 1M, Boxster, or Corvette.

Any oddball suggestions?

Hardcorish track and convertible...where is he going to track around here?

Go look at a Ferrari F355 spider with a 6 speed

Or find a 996 Turbo cab, easily for that budget.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by m10-power


Hardcorish track and convertible...where is he going to track around here?

Go look at a Ferrari F355 spider with a 6 speed

Or find a 996 Turbo cab, easily for that budget.

Castrol this summer when it opens and also we are going to the USA this summer for a big road trip with lapping days.

He decided he doesn't want an Elise, doesn't want an S2000, not interested in the Porsches and the Caterham with the 2.3 Cosworth engine is too much because the Hyabusa one only comes with sequential manual and he doesn't want that.

He's thinking he may have to bite the bullet and buy a red Z4M so he can put his supercharger and suspension parts on that.

[MrSector9]

Caterham

I know it is not a convertible but it is bad ass :) factory five type 65

http://www.downshiftmagazine.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/2008-factory-five-racing-type-65-coupe-022312-1920x1200.jpg

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo

He's thinking he may have to bite the bullet and buy a red Z4M so he can put his supercharger and suspension parts on that.

Well, the one in Okotoks is only $40g, and he was willing to spend $70g. So he can change the paint with the savings, lol.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


Well, the one in Okotoks is only $40g, and he was willing to spend $70g. So he can change the paint with the savings, lol.

He says he can live with red, but he really would have liked another Interlagos Blue one. The other colors (grey, silver, black and white) are completely out of the question.

He has about $10000 in aftermarket sitting at home waiting for his other car so ideally another Z4M would work.

[MustangSVT]

Originally posted by asp integra
964/993 porsche turbo cab?
I was going to mention this too.. 993 or even 996 Turbo Cab would be pretty nice.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Well I think my dad has narrowed it down to a 2008 Z4M Roadster with 27000km that's completely dependant on the owner having all service records, and a 1991 Cosworth Caterham 7 with 3000 miles that was rebuilt to factory freshness in 2008.

[MustangSVT]

Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo
Well I think my dad has narrowed it down to a 2008 Z4M Roadster with 27000km that's completely dependant on the owner having all service records, and a 1991 Cosworth Caterham 7 with 3000 miles that was rebuilt to factory freshness in 2008.
AFter reading your last post, if your dad has a ton of stuff to install onto a Z4M, then another Z4M makes the most sense.

[clem24]

2 words.... LADY DRIVEN. RUN!!!!:eek: :D

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by MrSector9
Caterham

I know it is not a convertible but it is bad ass :) factory five type 65

http://www.downshiftmagazine.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/2008-factory-five-racing-type-65-coupe-022312-1920x1200.jpg

Hell, he could just buy a Superformance Brock Coupe.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by clem24
2 words.... LADY DRIVEN. RUN!!!!:eek: :D

She's only owned it for 3000km apparently. Again he won't buy it unless it has all it's service records including the important 2000km service on that car. He knows what it should feel like and drive like so we are confident we can spot any problems.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat


Hell, he could just buy a Superformance Brock Coupe.

I don't think those are legal here, because they're sold as a rolling chassis, not a "starter kit"

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Alright so that Z4M is out. The only thing nicer than my dads old one is the paint condition, other wise it didn't have it's first brake flush for 4 years, front bumper has hit a curb and needs repair and repaint, plastic under tray is damaged, wheels have been refinished and have nasty lug bolts, interior leather is dried out, tires are done, visible metal in engine bay hasn't been cleaned enough and is corroding, and they are asking $40000 which is nuts.

This car has less than 1/3 the km of my dads and its not been taken care of nearly as well.

So this weekend we are going to go to the Knox Hill climb in Kelowna to meet the Super 7 guys and then next week my dad is going to fly to the island and go to their facility to discuss options, a new build will be $80000ish with the Cosworth engine and take a year, or they have a 1991 Super 7 with a hand built Cosworth Engine that was refreshed in 2008 and has only ever done 3669 miles since new, it also won the SCCA championship at one point.

[Sugarphreak]

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[gamman]

I know of a v8 miata in calgary for a smoking price. 26k, fully, fully sorted.

Also, look up exocet miata, do an exocet, v8. 350hp and 2000lbs?

[Hallowed_point]

I might see you at the hill climb james...that's this weekend?
I'm in peachland tomorrow!! :D :burnout:

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Crossfire SRT6http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-2005-Chrysler-Crossfire-SRT6-RARE-SUPEERCHARGED-W0QQAdIdZ485180385
.....hahahahahaha just kidding

Ugghh..I really despise those. Such an old white guy car lol.

[That.Guy.S30]

Originally posted by asp integra
964/993 porsche turbo cab?

No 964 turbo cabs actually exist. 993 yes. Air-cooled is the best.

[gamman]

http://exomotive.com/exocet/

Correction, ~1400 lbs, and the well sorted and documented forged miata v8 I know of is an underbuilt 350-375whp in current state of tune. 26+7k, 100hours (claimed), equals probably the craziest ride evar.

This hack job build was 1700lbs. I know what I would do.
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=460838

I have driven sub 2000lb cars, and it doesn't take much to make them go, this is my dream car.

If he would trade me for any of my BMW collection I would do it in a flash, but he won't.

[gamman]

Posting > me
flic.kr/p/dqPkp9Photo (http://flic.kr/p/dqPkp9)

[clem24]

Repeat:


Originally posted by clem24
2 words.... LADY DRIVEN. RUN!!!!:eek: :D



Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo
Alright so that Z4M is out. The only thing nicer than my dads old one is the paint condition, other wise it didn't have it's first brake flush for 4 years, front bumper has hit a curb and needs repair and repaint, plastic under tray is damaged, wheels have been refinished and have nasty lug bolts, interior leather is dried out, tires are done, visible metal in engine bay hasn't been cleaned enough and is corroding, and they are asking $40000 which is nuts.

This car has less than 1/3 the km of my dads and its not been taken care of nearly as well.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by clem24
Repeat:






Yeah even though she's owned it for 10 months and 5000km it was not nearly as nice as my dads was at 90000km.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by gamman
http://exomotive.com/exocet/

Correction, ~1400 lbs, and the well sorted and documented forged miata v8 I know of is an underbuilt 350-375whp in current state of tune. 26+7k, 100hours (claimed), equals probably the craziest ride evar.

This hack job build was 1700lbs. I know what I would do.
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=460838

I have driven sub 2000lb cars, and it doesn't take much to make them go, this is my dream car.

If he would trade me for any of my BMW collection I would do it in a flash, but he won't.

That is sweet! In gonna pass it on to my dad and let him choose.

[Sugarphreak]

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[Ca_Silvia13]

M3 Cabriolet??

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by Ca_Silvia13
M3 Cabriolet??

As stated earlier he thinks the M3 is too heavy and soft lol.

[That.Guy.S30]

Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo


As stated earlier he thinks the M3 is too heavy and soft lol.

GT3? Any porsche RS?

[amear]

E30 M3 and swap S54 with a maximum psi turbo kit!! one hell of a car!

link to Maxpsi: http://www.maximumpsi.com/products.html

[Cody D]

Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo


As stated earlier he thinks the M3 is too heavy and soft lol.

Aren't all BMW's too heavy and soft.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by That.Guy.S30


GT3? Any porsche RS?

Won't find any under $90k really.



Originally posted by Cody D


Aren't all BMW's too heavy and soft.

Z4M wasn't soft at all, but it was a tad heavy.

He's pretty much set on ordering a Caterham CSR 260 at this point, will take a year to build and deliver unfortunately.

[M.alex]

Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo


Won't find any under $90k really.




Z4M wasn't soft at all, but it was a tad heavy.

He's pretty much set on ordering a Caterham CSR 260 at this point, will take a year to build and deliver unfortunately.

Component vehicle rule #1 - Always double the delivery/build/budget expectations, lol

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


I don't think those are legal here, because they're sold as a rolling chassis, not a "starter kit"

Gah, I'd forgotten what a quagmire Transport Canada's kit car regulations were.

[mgwatson]

Send me a PM if your dad is interested in offloading some of his aftermarket Z4M parts:thumbsup:

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat


Gah, I'd forgotten what a quagmire Transport Canada is

Fixed.

You think those are bad, trying dealing with the Air Regs side :rofl:

[95EagleAWD]

Originally posted by Cody D


Aren't all BMW's too heavy and soft.

Nope! :D :D

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


Fixed.

You think those are bad, trying dealing with the Air Regs side :rofl:

Ignorance is bliss on that one, I think. I can't even imagine. :nut:

[AMFH403]

A 993 convertible with RWB conversion. Vintage, cool, and second RWB in Canada.

[K3RMiTdot]

new gt500?
heavier but cooler?

[jaylo]

Someone must be snooping at this thread and posted an M Coupe with a ridiculous price of $54K or jus coincidence that is its the same color that your dad is looking for

http://m.kijiji.ca/2006-bmw-m-coupe/v?adId=480258504&page=6#bmw%20m3

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by jaylo
Someone must be snooping at this thread and posted an M Coupe with a ridiculous price of $54K or jus coincidence that is its the same color that your dad is looking for

http://m.kijiji.ca/2006-bmw-m-coupe/v?adId=480258504&page=6#bmw%20m3

That as is awful, spelling mistakes, no photos, and they are off their rocker on price.

My dad wouldn't care either way, he refuses to buy a coupe.

Ill get the word tomorrow if he signed for building a Caterham or not.

[bourge73]

Noble M400 still need to import it but rare none the less..
http://calgary.en.craigslist.ca/cto/3818757770.html

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by bourge73
Noble M400 still need to import it but rare none the less..
http://calgary.en.craigslist.ca/cto/3818757770.html

Would be damn near impossible to get into Alberta I bet.

He also found a Exige S260 in Onterrible for $69000, you can actually take the roof off those apparently and basically turn it into a Elise.

[Cody D]

Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo
He also found a Exige S260 in Onterrible for $69000, you can actually take the roof off those apparently and basically turn it into a Elise.

You can take the roof off of any Exige, it is just not an easy job and you have nowhere to store it unless you convert the sides for the Elise soft top.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by Cody D


You can take the roof off of any Exige, it is just not an easy job and you have nowhere to store it unless you convert the sides for the Elise soft top.

That would be the plan to convert it to the Elise soft top if he got one of those.

[gamman]

Here is the donor car for the exocet....

Tell him its a modern tiger.

http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-cars-trucks-1990-Mazda-MX-5-Miata-V8-Convertible-W0QQAdIdZ486027298

The engine was over $10k
The setup has been driving and raced
A national scca autox champ (in a miata) has driven it and said it was like his winning autox car, just way faster.
See car and driver last month, same type of car, but i would argue this has more for the $.

[Tik-Tok]

Would be better to convert a stock miata to exocet, then fit a v8 in, rather than the other way around. Who knows what kind of trouble you would find.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Well my dad went to Super 7 Cars on Vancouver island today.

The price for the CSR260 on their website is completely wrong, it's $17000 more than what it states, the price is actually for the 200HP Duratec model, that pisses me off.

He considered the Hyabusa one in the 70-80k range but its still a year to deliver AND I really don't think either of us would be happy with a sequential transmission.

Saturday we are visiting 7 cars in Red Deer to look at a 2012 model with 600 miles with the 200HP engine and regular sized chassis/body, it's lighter than the CSR260 so it will be similar in performance.

[soloracer]

If it were me I would take this over an overpriced caterham any day

http://www.autotrader.ca/result/AdDetailInfo.aspx?srcID=5&frnID=15525980

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by soloracer
If it were me I would take this over an overpriced caterham any day

http://www.autotrader.ca/result/AdDetailInfo.aspx?srcID=5&frnID=15525980

After talking to the guys a Super 7 Cars I wouldn't call the Caterham overpriced, I originally thought the prices were ridiculous too, but with the amount of custom parts and work and attention to detail that goes into them they aren't that badly priced, and they don't depreciate as much as most cars anyway.

Sounds like my dad is pretty sold on this R400 in Red Deer, we are viewing it Sunday instead of tomorrow.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Well he decided on the R400 in Red Deer, it had less than 550km and we negotiated a little bit on it.

I'm sure he will enjoy it.

[Sugarphreak]

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[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

http://i.imgur.com/fwyg9cm.jpg

[Sugarphreak]

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[ExtraSlow]

what is the tube-framed beast on the left?

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
what is the tube-framed beast on the left?

Project car my dad designed and is building.

It will weigh around 600kg when done and has a S/C 1.8L V6 out of a Mazda MX-3, no doors no roof just climb in, mid engine RWD, used a Cavalier Windshield and Honda Civic Tokico struts that are inboard mounted.

[ExtraSlow]

I like everything about that.

[M.alex]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
I like everything about that.

Except it doesn't have a V8 :(

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Not everything needs a V8, the largest engine we've ever owned was a 4.0L I6.

[Sentry]

I spy an english wheel. Make some body panels for the tube frame car? :D

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by Sentry
I spy an english wheel. Make some body panels for the tube frame car? :D

That's the plan, I should also mention the entire chassis is aluminum as well and my dad welded it all himself.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Photo of the exhaust manifold!

http://i.imgur.com/sxTEGr4.jpg