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Buster
06-07-2013, 09:05 PM
I did a search but didn't find anything.

What are the RCMP and more importantly those Sheriff dudes in rural Alberta using for detection?

Laser? Radar?

I'm thinking about picking up a V1. I don't speed much around town, so I don't need fancy GPS memory etc.

gpomp
06-07-2013, 09:12 PM
I've seen both. It's mostly radar though.

dubhead
06-07-2013, 09:21 PM
They also use planes.

K3RMiTdot
06-07-2013, 09:27 PM
Both, cept i believe they have one in the front and back of the cruiser.

The V1 would be very handy if you make frequent trips on the highway.

Cooked Rice
06-07-2013, 09:37 PM
Be ready to take on both. I've got picked off by RCMP with laser before and my Beltronics didn't even make a peep.

XXXXXX
06-07-2013, 09:46 PM
It's almost becoming a rice mod to have a radar detector in the car considering how useless they've become.

The only thing I'm alerted of is when Safeway's doors are opening.

I would opt for a laser jammer.

Buster
06-07-2013, 09:48 PM
I'm not that interested in speeding around town. That's
a ricer move
I might find it useful for trips to Edmonton or down south.

But if the RCMP/Sheriffs use laser too, then I'm not sure I'd find it useful.

Boosted131
06-08-2013, 09:12 AM
Some buddy's got a ticket from a plane, they took the time to get from one spot to another and took the average speed required to do that distance

AllGoNoShow
06-08-2013, 10:18 AM
Not useless at all but yes, Radar, Laser and Plane on the QE2, got to cover all your bases :)

Buster
06-09-2013, 01:17 AM
damn, I didn't know they used planes.

Can you notice the lines on the road and adjust speed temporarily?

DEATH2000
06-09-2013, 11:01 AM
RCMP and Sheriff Cruisers have front and rear mounted radar for speed enforcement while on the move. However the primary tool used by Sheriffs is Laser and thats done while stationary.

dubhead
06-09-2013, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by Buster
damn, I didn't know they used planes.

Can you notice the lines on the road and adjust speed temporarily?

The yellow lines are pretty noticeable however they seem to be fairly frequent also, so you'll likely end up just slowing down entirely.

revelations
06-09-2013, 01:49 PM
Basically, if you speed on the QE2 (over 120 kph) during the day, in the summer, in good weather ..... you're an easy target.

Its the most heavily revenued corridor in the province for a good reason - EASY PICKINGS.

Consider:

unmarked traffic vehicles
aircraft patrols
radar traps
lidar traps

sidewaysD
06-10-2013, 10:15 AM
To be honest.. Those dectors are now useless...


Vector radar is how they get you now on the highways via planes.

Typical ground units use both still.

Buster
06-10-2013, 10:22 AM
Planes would create a lot of radio chatter, wouldnt they?

DEATH2000
06-10-2013, 10:41 AM
Originally posted by Buster
Planes would create a lot of radio chatter, wouldnt they?
Depends on the frequency used. You would have to find out if they are using an Encrypted RCMP channel or an aviation one. Most likely an RCMP channel to communicate to ground units.

FullFledgedYYC
06-10-2013, 10:48 AM
About a year ago RCMP was using the Stalker 2 radar. I am sure that hasn't changed. They would also use laser on occasion I would think... but radar is much safer since they can just sit in their car.

I have never seen planes in action, talk about a waste of resources.

Cooked Rice
06-10-2013, 10:53 AM
They can shoot laser from their car as well with the window down, that's how I got my last ticket back in Sept during the long weekend. The Cannmore RCMP crack down pretty hard on the highway, just sitting in the medians in the pitch dark of night. On the way home from the trip it was daylight out and you could see all the different places where they set up in the median that weekend from all the tire tracks left in the grass.

revelations
06-10-2013, 11:21 AM
Originally posted by DEATH2000

Depends on the frequency used. You would have to find out if they are using an Encrypted RCMP channel or an aviation one. Most likely an RCMP channel to communicate to ground units.

The rural RCMP use normal VHF channels right now, I can hear Strathmore units on my scanner.

My guess is that they probably communicate through UNICOMM to the civilian air units.

dirtsniffer
06-10-2013, 11:31 AM
having a radar deteector is pretty helpful on the highways. sure it won't pick up the vary rare laser trap. but you will get all the radar traps and all the on highway units that just drive back and forth with the front and rear radar on.

Wannago
06-10-2013, 08:54 PM
Not sure what this alleged "vector radar" is, but if they're using planes, they're not using radar, they're using VASCAR.

Radar detectors are still VERY effective, as long as you have a decent unit and know how to use it. Cops use instant-on very frequently, so it is important to make sure you always have a "Rabbit" (ie. another car or cars in front of you), and have a sensitive and responsive RD that is capable of picking up weak, very short duration burst, as the cars ahead of you are targeted.

NO detector will save you if you are travelling alone and drive into an instant-on ambush, they'll get your speed before you can even hope to hit the brakes.

Here's an example of the benefit of high-end detectors' ability to pick up weak, distant instant on bursts. The cop was hiding behind the overpass (over 4 miles ahead) shooting cars in the rear as they passed....I'm running a Bel STiR-Plus as well as a V1....if I had a lesser model, I would have missed the first brief signal and driven right into his trap. Trust me, buy the best RD you can afford (ie no Cobras!) you do get what you pay for. I would recommend the most current Escort Redline or V1 with the V1Connection add-on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RQM2qjfGDM

Also, good jammers are very effective with LIDAR traps, but there are new guns out there (Edmonton is using them) that even the best jammers and detectors can't even detect, let alone jam. Hopefully there is new firmware released to counter these guns!

Buster, as a fellow V owner, we NEED protection! LOL
If you like to tinker, the new V1 with the V1Connection (and Android app) will allow you to set custom sweeps and really improve the performance of the V1. However, the new Redline is proving to be probably the best RD ever made, and beats the V1 with the Connection (not by much though). It also allows custom sweeps, and is easier to configure than the V1.

Maxt
06-10-2013, 09:16 PM
Anyone ever try the "bear tracker"?

http://www.uniden.com/scanners/beartracker+153-warning-system-scanner-with-800-mhz-trunktracker-iii/invt/bct8g

XXXXXX
06-10-2013, 09:41 PM
I imagine you would have to scan for a long ass time before you find a channel where they be talkin
their smack and even if you do find it its unlikely they're going to be babbling about sitting on 123 street taking radar.

I think the only decent options are to use a laser jammer for ground and for air you need something that goes faster
than the plane.. an elite Honda civic with a rice cannon is what you need.

schocker
06-10-2013, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by XXXXXX
I imagine you would have to scan for a long ass time before you find a channel where they be talkin
their smack and even if you do find it its unlikely they're going to be babbling about sitting on 123 street taking radar.

I think the only decent options are to use a laser jammer for ground and for air you need something that goes faster
than the plane.. an elite Honda civic with a rice cannon is what you need.
Police: An RX-7 just passed at a high rate of speed, I clocked him at 40 km/h over the limit please advise
Maxt: Ehhhh, it's fine let him go

haha never mind, I don't think it can send but it would I think it would be able to pick up police chatter he is thinking.

revelations
06-10-2013, 11:21 PM
If I'm not mistaken, its also illegal to have a police scanner in a vehicle....BUT you CAN tell how far away the popo are by the signal quality on the scanner - eg. clear transmission from a car radio or portable probably means they are pretty close.

Dispatchers will almost always sound clearer at distance due to their equipment.

Cooked Rice
06-10-2013, 11:26 PM
I think scanning the frequencies is a bit too much. It's not like Gumball 3000 here lol. At that point you could add night vision goggles to the equation and have your DRLs hooked up to a switch.

XXXXXX
06-10-2013, 11:46 PM
Originally posted by revelations
If I'm not mistaken, its also illegal to have a police scanner in a vehicle....BUT you CAN tell how far away the popo are by the signal quality on the scanner

But what are the chances that the cop you're listening to is the same one that's down the road from you ?
Pretty unlikely which makes scanning a near useless tactic to avoid traps.

I think a laser jammer is the only thing worthwhile here.
You can be caught completely off guard and recover from it.
By the time any detector goes off your already clocked.

Fawk I hate editing my posts never comes out like its supposed to. :whipped:

Maxt
06-11-2013, 04:28 AM
Originally posted by revelations
If I'm not mistaken, its also illegal to have a police scanner in a vehicle....BUT you CAN tell how far away the popo are by the signal quality on the scanner - eg. clear transmission from a car radio or portable probably means they are pretty close.

Dispatchers will almost always sound clearer at distance due to their equipment.
I think thats the general idea of it, is to tell proximity to a patrol car rather than listening for specifics, probably the only way to overcome instant on setups is to know a cop is close.


Originally posted by Cooked Rice
I think scanning the frequencies is a bit too much. It's not like Gumball 3000 here lol. At that point you could add night vision goggles to the equation and have your DRLs hooked up to a switch.
I dunno, after what I have seen the last couple of days, the Sheriff's and CPS arent to far away from wearing potted plants on their heads using plastic christmas trees to hide behind..

2BLUE
06-11-2013, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by Wannago
Not sure what this alleged "vector radar" is, but if they're using planes, they're not using radar, they're using VASCAR.

Radar detectors are still VERY effective, as long as you have a decent unit and know how to use it. Cops use instant-on very frequently, so it is important to make sure you always have a "Rabbit" (ie. another car or cars in front of you), and have a sensitive and responsive RD that is capable of picking up weak, very short duration burst, as the cars ahead of you are targeted.

NO detector will save you if you are travelling alone and drive into an instant-on ambush, they'll get your speed before you can even hope to hit the brakes.

Here's an example of the benefit of high-end detectors' ability to pick up weak, distant instant on bursts. The cop was hiding behind the overpass (over 4 miles ahead) shooting cars in the rear as they passed....I'm running a Bel STiR-Plus as well as a V1....if I had a lesser model, I would have missed the first brief signal and driven right into his trap. Trust me, buy the best RD you can afford (ie no Cobras!) you do get what you pay for. I would recommend the most current Escort Redline or V1 with the V1Connection add-on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RQM2qjfGDM

Also, good jammers are very effective with LIDAR traps, but there are new guns out there (Edmonton is using them) that even the best jammers and detectors can't even detect, let alone jam. Hopefully there is new firmware released to counter these guns!

Buster, as a fellow V owner, we NEED protection! LOL
If you like to tinker, the new V1 with the V1Connection (and Android app) will allow you to set custom sweeps and really improve the performance of the V1. However, the new Redline is proving to be probably the best RD ever made, and beats the V1 with the Connection (not by much though). It also allows custom sweeps, and is easier to configure than the V1.

I would like to know which gun you are talking about in Edmonton, I have jammed all guns in all the test runs so far.

One of the members I tested with, works in Sherwood park traffic division and there using ultralite 20/20 with 100pps. LR series.

In less your talking about Dragon Cam aka
http://dragoneyetech.com/DragonCam.html

I have NOT gone against one of those yet. I hear they are a monster and blinder has yet to jam them

Jam those guys no problem

Calgary police is still using 20/20 I thought also? and the stalker 4.2

Twin_Cam_Turbo
06-11-2013, 08:09 PM
I have literally the cheapest shittiest Cobra and even that has saved me a couple times. What I like to use it for is driving around town I like to make some quick acceleration away from lights and police don't like that, so if it goes off with radar I assume there is an officer near by and accelerate sensibly. On the highway its less useful as its a terrible detector, but sometimes it will pick up officers before I come over hills, but I tend not to do more than 10-15 over anyway.

2BLUE
06-11-2013, 08:14 PM
The best investment ever! Jammer! but I would never drive without a detector. I even have the xi9500 and z4 on my bike with a blinder jammer 905 (1 head)

Radar detectors are good if you know how to use them the way they were designed for (expensive detectors that is)

Escort for instance, with z4 hooked up. That's the only way to really detect much faster. Turn auto learn off etc.

These are not my results by any means but this gives you an idea of protection.

http://i768.photobucket.com/albums/xx322/blinder-guy/blindertable.jpg

Hounddog
06-11-2013, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by revelations


The rural RCMP use normal VHF channels right now, I can hear Strathmore units on my scanner.



If you don't have a scanner, you can tune in on your VHF. When I head out West to the mountains, I dial in the Cochrane RCMP freq and you can hear car to car and car to dispatch. They call in to dispatch with their location when they pull someone over and you'll get a pretty good sense where they're set up for speed traps.

Also, it can be pretty entertaining to listen to- dispatch will notify cruisers of call-ins about speeders, aggressive drivers etc. A few weeks ago when I was coming back from Canmore, dispatch was notifying the cruisers of a couple of bikes that were speeding and weaving in and out of traffic. You could listen to the car to car conversations as they were working on a plan to catch them.

Canmore, Cochrane, Strathmore etc, all use different freqs so having a dual receive VHF is nice.

Wannago
06-12-2013, 05:43 AM
Trust me....on the RD forums there are already a couple people who have been tagged with the Laser Ally up in Edmonton. The guns are VPR and the firmware is updated every calibration cycle. The older firmware can be jammed, but the new firmware cannot be beat (yet).

If you drive in Edm with jammers and think you are protected against Lidar...think again!

soupey
06-12-2013, 06:16 AM
I wonder how well/updated the trapster app is. I remember trying it out back when i had a BB, relies on ppl reporting police traps on their phones...

http://www.trapster.com/devices/android/

FullFledgedYYC
06-12-2013, 09:57 AM
All those apps are pretty useless... mainly because, what if you are the first one to see it?

2BLUE
06-12-2013, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by Hounddog


If you don't have a scanner, you can tune in on your VHF. When I head out West to the mountains, I dial in the Cochrane RCMP freq and you can hear car to car and car to dispatch. They call in to dispatch with their location when they pull someone over and you'll get a pretty good sense where they're set up for speed traps.

Also, it can be pretty entertaining to listen to- dispatch will notify cruisers of call-ins about speeders, aggressive drivers etc. A few weeks ago when I was coming back from Canmore, dispatch was notifying the cruisers of a couple of bikes that were speeding and weaving in and out of traffic. You could listen to the car to car conversations as they were working on a plan to catch them.

Canmore, Cochrane, Strathmore etc, all use different freqs so having a dual receive VHF is nice.

VHF you need a licence to have one?

94boosted
06-13-2013, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by Wannago
Not sure what this alleged "vector radar" is, but if they're using planes, they're not using radar, they're using VASCAR.

Radar detectors are still VERY effective, as long as you have a decent unit and know how to use it. Cops use instant-on very frequently, so it is important to make sure you always have a "Rabbit" (ie. another car or cars in front of you), and have a sensitive and responsive RD that is capable of picking up weak, very short duration burst, as the cars ahead of you are targeted.

NO detector will save you if you are travelling alone and drive into an instant-on ambush, they'll get your speed before you can even hope to hit the brakes.

Here's an example of the benefit of high-end detectors' ability to pick up weak, distant instant on bursts. The cop was hiding behind the overpass (over 4 miles ahead) shooting cars in the rear as they passed....I'm running a Bel STiR-Plus as well as a V1....if I had a lesser model, I would have missed the first brief signal and driven right into his trap. Trust me, buy the best RD you can afford (ie no Cobras!) you do get what you pay for. I would recommend the most current Escort Redline or V1 with the V1Connection add-on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RQM2qjfGDM

Also, good jammers are very effective with LIDAR traps, but there are new guns out there (Edmonton is using them) that even the best jammers and detectors can't even detect, let alone jam. Hopefully there is new firmware released to counter these guns!



Totally didn't know they used LIDAR on the QE2 I know they use it on Highway 1 especially in the Banff area but the QE2 aswell :(

As for the Instant-On Radar I've never seen that used in Alberta, all of my experiences thus far have been that the officer has radar on and you can pick it up from a mile away.

Beyond group buy for laser jammers :D ..... seriously.

DEATH2000
06-14-2013, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by 94boosted

Beyond group buy for laser jammers :D ..... seriously.
Laser Jammers are like $1,000 each. Beyond Baller group buy is more like it!

Stealth22
06-14-2013, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by 94boosted
Totally didn't know they used LIDAR on the QE2 I know they use it on Highway 1 especially in the Banff area but the QE2 aswell :(
I've been caught by an RCMP officer who was sitting in the median on the QE2 with a LIDAR gun. He circled and underlined "Laser" on the ticket. This was in November 2011, I believe. So cops using LIDAR on the QE2 isn't anything new. Funnily enough, once I passed the "Welcome to Leduc County" sign, I knew in the back of my mind that he would be there. :(

AFAIK, they all use LIDAR for their median speed traps (basically any time they're stationary), and dash-mounted radar (don't know if its only front-facing, or if there's a rear camera, but most similar agencies in the US have both) for when they're just driving down the highway.

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but LIDAR, to my knowledge, can't be used if you're in motion, whereas radar can. But radar is susceptible to detectors from a fair distance away. LIDAR can be detected (even jammed, although the legality has been debated on Beyond before), but by the time your LIDAR detector goes off, the officer's already got you.

I definitely didn't know that they have aircraft patrols though. I thought the only force doing that was the O.P.P.

Hounddog
06-14-2013, 09:56 PM
Originally posted by 2BLUE


VHF you need a licence to have one?

If you want to transmit, than you should hold a license.

Listening directly to the RCMP on the highway has proven quite effective for advanced speed trap warnings. The downside of it though, is you have to keep switching to the local RCMP freqs as you travel. I try and set up my radio with presets, but sometimes if it's a new route, it can be a bit of a pita to keep dialing in new freqs.

Now, having said all of this, I honestly don't speed...:nut: Like I said before, the chatter is quite entertaining:D

94boosted
06-15-2013, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by DEATH2000

Laser Jammers are like $1,000 each. Beyond Baller group buy is more like it!

I know you can buy a Blinder M27-Extreme for ~$500 + Shipping

http://www.kmph.ca/products/blinder-laser-jammer/blinder-m27-xtreme.html

I don't know how good these are compared to the other jammers on the market though.


Originally posted by Stealth22



AFAIK, they all use LIDAR for their median speed traps (basically any time they're stationary)

Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but LIDAR, to my knowledge, can't be used if you're in motion, whereas radar can.

Correct, LIDAR (Laser) is only stationary.