2jz FC3S

[Noremac]

*This build thread is to help keep me motivated and for some input as the car starts to come together*

In my opinion, RX-7's are great cars, and I really like the rotary engines that they come with but I just can't justify the expense of a reliable 500+whp 13b. With that said I've been putting jz's into FC's since 2009 and have had alot of fun doing so. Here is my current project:

Goals:

-500+whp on pump gas, 700+whp on pump + meth
- 10 second quarter mile of some sort
- 3000lb with me in it and all fluids
- capable on the road course
- street legal

Mods to date:

Engine/Trans:

2jz-gte/v160

- gsc s2 cams
- gsc behive springs
- gsc Ti retainers
- gsc viton valve seals
- RMR 90mm throttle body
- Sheetmetal intake manifold
- custom ss exhaust manifold
- -8AN valve covers
- D585 ignition coil conversion
- TiAl mvr44 wg
- Greddy Type R bov
- Mishimoto 24x12x4" intercooler
- koyo rad with AN inlet and outlet
- Megasquirt ms3x
- Greddy T88-34d (billet wheel ready to go in some day)
- - 8 fuel rail
- 1680cc injectors
- dual bosch 044 pumps (-6 line each to y before rail)
- Al fuel cell
- Integrated engineering surge tank

Body/Interior

- All rust cut out and repaired
- cage
- Underside and wheel wells are POR 15'd
- Interior and engine bay are painted white
- Ronin widebody fenders and quarters
- shine fc2000 rep front bumper
- Sparco pro2000 seat
- Cobra Evolution seat
- Stack st8130p
- OMP wheel and quick release

Suspension/Brakes/Wheels

- Front and rear subframes, knuckles etc sandblasted and POR 15'd
- New calipers and porterfield r4 pads
- supernow fd rear rotor conversion
- supernow outer tie rod ends
- Delrin bushings (subframe, control arms, trailing arms, diff)
- ST sway bars with spherical end links
- Panasport c5c2's with custom lips 11x17 front , 275/40/17 Sumitomo HTRZ II (chunky I know) and 11.5x17 rear with 315/35/17 Nitto NT555R's)


I still need to get many things before this is complete but some of the first items will be:

- coilovers
- aem tru boost
- aem failsafe wideband
- wire/relays etc for chassis and starting/charging harness from scratch
- more nozzles for the meth kit (thinking about one in each runner)
- paint for hood, doors, fenders, bumpers, quarters, and the rest of the car
- driveshaft
- brake lines

Here are some pictures:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/GOPR0011_zpsed0804d0.jpg (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/91ImpulseRS/media/GOPR0011_zpsed0804d0.jpg.html)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/GOPR0012_zpsc0bd93af.jpg (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/91ImpulseRS/media/GOPR0012_zpsc0bd93af.jpg.html)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/GOPR0030_zpsfa455463.jpg (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/91ImpulseRS/media/GOPR0030_zpsfa455463.jpg.html)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/GOPR0032_zpsab0a3cef.jpg (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/91ImpulseRS/media/GOPR0032_zpsab0a3cef.jpg.html)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/IMG-20130311-00372_zpsbe2ee060.jpg (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/91ImpulseRS/media/IMG-20130311-00372_zpsbe2ee060.jpg.html)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/IMG-20120815-00161_zps2a27b129.jpg (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/91ImpulseRS/media/IMG-20120815-00161_zps2a27b129.jpg.html)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/imagejpeg_2rea_zps12afccab.jpg (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/91ImpulseRS/media/imagejpeg_2rea_zps12afccab.jpg.html)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/imagejpeg_2kl_zpsd2b7df00.jpg (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/91ImpulseRS/media/imagejpeg_2kl_zpsd2b7df00.jpg.html)
(Taken by RB)

This is where the car is as of this evening:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/GOPR0069_zpsb7faa638.jpg (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/91ImpulseRS/media/GOPR0069_zpsb7faa638.jpg.html)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/GOPR0075_zps58d1b3f1.jpg (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/91ImpulseRS/media/GOPR0075_zps58d1b3f1.jpg.html)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/GOPR0076_zps8eb676b4.jpg (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/91ImpulseRS/media/GOPR0076_zps8eb676b4.jpg.html)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/GOPR0078_zpse3e9b692.jpg (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/91ImpulseRS/media/GOPR0078_zpse3e9b692.jpg.html)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/GOPR0077_zps01402b11.jpg (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/91ImpulseRS/media/GOPR0077_zps01402b11.jpg.html)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/GOPR0081_zps6763cc99.jpg (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/91ImpulseRS/media/GOPR0081_zps6763cc99.jpg.html)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/GOPR0079_zps68d435df.jpg (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/91ImpulseRS/media/GOPR0079_zps68d435df.jpg.html)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/GOPR0080_zps5c7eda18.jpg (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/91ImpulseRS/media/GOPR0080_zps5c7eda18.jpg.html)

[sr20s14zenki]

:thumbsup:

Me rikey!!!

[Sentry]

2JZ ALL THE THINGS

The rotisserie is friggin sweet. This is gonna be a good build.

[never]

Awesome job so far...it's gonna be sweet!!

[Heru-Farukon]

Subscribed

[DeleriousZ]

Damn who's busted ass z31 is that uglying up the pictures??

[962 kid]

Never thought I'd see a build thread for project "Tribal Bro". Looks good with the engine back in

[KRyn]

Oh this will be an awesome build!

Post some pictures of other cars you have dropped a 2JZs into!

[Noremac]

Damn who's busted ass z31 is that uglying up the pictures??

I think you know him



Never thought I'd see a build thread for project "Tribal Bro". Looks good with the engine back in

Now its your turn to make one for project "Bench racer" :), I agree its finally starting to go back together.




Oh this will be an awesome build!

Post some pictures of other cars you have dropped a 2JZs into!

Thanks man, hopefully it runs at some point. I'll see if I can dig up some pictures.

[Noremac]

Here is my first jz fc:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/DSC_0048.jpg (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/91ImpulseRS/media/DSC_0048.jpg.html)

Idle clip with experimental cams:

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/th_MOV_0036-1.jpg (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/MOV_0036-1.mp4)

1jz with a 60mm hx40

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/IMG_8850.jpg (http://s52.photobucket.com/user/91ImpulseRS/media/IMG_8850.jpg.html)

Old dyno run on the twins

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/th_MVI_1676.jpg (http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/MVI_1676.mp4)

[TurboCarrera]

Wow can't wait to see this out at the shows.

[Noremac]

Originally posted by TurboCarrera
Wow can't wait to see this out at the shows.

Not much of a car show kind of guy, but maybe.

[slammedfc]

nice to see it coming together man!

[Noremac]

Originally posted by slammedfc
nice to see it coming together man!

Slowly. Come over sometime and we'll put you to work on a z31 or an fc :)

[Redlyne_jr]

Originally posted by 962 kid
Never thought I'd see a build thread for project "Tribal Bro".


Originally posted by TurboCarrera
Wow can't wait to see this out at the shows.

Hahahaha, you guys are assholes... :nut:

Looks good cam, been watching over this build for awhile now.. car is going to be a monster!!! Cant wait to see it put multiple car lengths on me..
:(

[Maxx Mazda]

Saw the thread title and immediately thought "such sacralidge!"

But now, I am EXTREMELY impressed!

[Errol.]

Can't wait to see it out Cam!

[Noremac]

Originally posted by Redlyne_jr




Hahahaha, you guys are assholes... :nut:

Looks good cam, been watching over this build for awhile now.. car is going to be a monster!!! Cant wait to see it put multiple car lengths on me..
:(

They are aren't they.


Saw the thread title and immediately thought "such sacrilege!"

But now, I am EXTREMELY impressed!

Thanks dude. I agree that it violates the original idea of the car but to get the same level of performance and reliability you're basically talking about a 20b swap + lots more $$. Its something I'd like to do some day but for now I can't justify the expense.


Can't wait to see it out Cam!

You and me both!! Its come a long way but still has so much further to go.

The plan is to finish the trans mount this evening and move on to the fuel system when time allows. More pictures to come.

[89s1]

Hell yeah, awesome build.

[Maxt]

Originally posted by Noremac



Thanks dude. I agree that it violates the original idea of the car but to get the same level of performance and reliability you're basically talking about a 20b swap + lots more $$. Its something I'd like to do some day but for now I can't justify the expense.

I can ...:bigpimp:

[Noremac]

Originally posted by Maxt

I can ...:bigpimp:

Hahaha yes you can and have. I've lifted your carbon doors, seen your dogbox and stepped over your dyno. Some day I hope :)

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by Noremac


Hahaha yes you can and have. I've lifted your carbon doors, seen your dogbox and stepped over your dyno. Some day I hope :)

Careful, Max has spent a lot of time fostering his image as a lonely hermit without a pot to piss in, he'd hate the truth to get out ;)

Cool build thread!

[Jeff Lange]

Proper FC, even with the lack of rotary.

Good job!

Jeff

[Noremac]

Originally posted by Jeff Lange
Proper FC, even with the lack of rotary.

Good job!

Jeff

I still think a proper FC needs a rotary but thanks.

Those transmission to engine bolts were put to use this evening by the way. I feel much better now that I have a full set.

[slammedfc]

Originally posted by Noremac


Slowly. Come over sometime and we'll put you to work on a z31 or an fc :)

sounds good man!

[Noremac]

Put the intake manifold and exhaust manifold + turbo on.

The exhaust manifold needs to be modified some more so the turbine housing will clear the strut tower and I need to decide on the final position of the wastegate.

As for the intake manifold, the mounting tabs that secure the fuel rail were interfering with the cps sensors (not required with my ems so I'll make blanks at some point). A little cutting and welding solved that problem though. I even got a free TIG lesson out of it (Thanks Mike!)

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/GOPR0089_zps5967e957.jpg

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/91ImpulseRS/GOPR0088_zps95874020.jpg

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[962 kid]

looking good as ever, can't wait to see the charge piping and IC all done up

[Noremac]

Hopefully that can happen soon. Still deciding on what the plan is for my diff. Once that is figured out I can work towards getting this thing off the rotisserie. Hard to know when that will happen as work keeps on getting in the way.

[A3GTiVR6SC]

Sweet build dude! :thumbsup: :drool:
One day i will own a swapped rx7. When i get bored of the current project, that will be my next.

[theFlash]

I've been a rotary RX-7 guy for over a decade, but I still think this is cool. You're kinda SOL for rotaries unless you do your own work anyway so I can see what you mean for reliable high horsepower.

I've kinda been on the fence on the 2jz... I thought the V160 was like unobtanium? Prices I've seen are more than a 13B-T or even some whole FCs. Is there really much cost savings over a 20b setup?

[Noremac]

The v160 is less common than the r154 for sure but you can still get ahold of one if your willing to pay. Prices range from 3-5k typically.

As for the price comparison, consider what it would cost for a 700hp ready 20b with a transmission that can handle 700+ ft.lbs tq attached to it... Or just ask Max :)

[theFlash]

That's not as bad as I thought for a strong 6 speed.

I see you've done a 1jz before in an FC, any comments on the weight distribution? I see a lot of comments in regards to engine swaps in FCs/FDs saying the balance will be all off, etc, etc, but I've never driven one. How's it in the real world?

Either way I'm looking forward to this and would love to check it out in person when it's done.

[Noremac]

I've done a 1jz, 1.5jz and am currently doing a 2jz swap into an fc.

As far as rotary fc vs jz fc, the jz makes it about 90kg heavier overall. I would estimate that about half of this is further forward than with the rotary. While this is a significant increase and a difference you can feel, it doesn't in any way make the car unpleasant to drive. At the limit I would suspect that a jz swap may make the car more prone to understeer but its been so long since I've driven a rotary powered TII its hard to say.

Some other things to consider in this particular swap that help to offset the weight difference are:

- Pop up headlight delete
- relocated battery
- simplified wiring
- fiberglass fenders and bumper
- no a/c
- no ps
- revised hood latch
- lightened Al hood

I'll be interested to see the corner weights when its all done. I suspect it will be less of an imbalance than one would think.

[slammedfc]

looks good cam!

ill get my ass over there one day to help ya wrench!

[theFlash]

Originally posted by Noremac
I've done a 1jz, 1.5jz and am currently doing a 2jz swap into an fc.

As far as rotary fc vs jz fc, the jz makes it about 90kg heavier overall. I would estimate that about half of this is further forward than with the rotary. While this is a significant increase and a difference you can feel, it doesn't in any way make the car unpleasant to drive. At the limit I would suspect that a jz swap may make the car more prone to understeer but its been so long since I've driven a rotary powered TII its hard to say.

Some other things to consider in this particular swap that help to offset the weight difference are:

- Pop up headlight delete
- relocated battery
- simplified wiring
- fiberglass fenders and bumper
- no a/c
- no ps
- revised hood latch
- lightened Al hood

I'll be interested to see the corner weights when its all done. I suspect it will be less of an imbalance than one would think.

Any updates?!

How you're describing it is interesting me more. Funny thing is I've done everything on that list except I still have power steering and hood latch is stock naturally. Don't know the f/r weight as I'm changing my coilover setup, but it would be interesting to see my current balance #s with the 13B-T.

I see the 1jz clears the FC hood. Does the FC turbo hood clear the 2jz?

Also, I may have missed it but how are you mounting the engine? Tech 2 swap kit or did you do something on your own?

[Noremac]

No real updates due to 84hour weeks at work and other projects. It would be interesting to see your f/r weight distribution so I have some data to compare. The 2j clears the hood with some bracing removed and a modification to the scoop. The engine mounts are of my own design which bolt onto the factory subframe and use the metal portion of the jz mount.

[Noremac]

Bought some Rotora 4 pot calipers and 2 piece 330mm rotors. Should be an improvement with decent pads.

As a result my nearly new TII calipers, rotors, lines and Porterfield pads are now available. PM if interested.

http://imageshack.com/scaled/640x480/14/ndb2.jpg

Fits with a 5mm spacer.

[Noremac]

I played around a bit today with the idea of a v mount setup for the intercooler and radiator. Currently the tb side of the intercooler piping when mounted traditionally is already about 90% finished but I'm still not decided either way.

Any thoughts from those that have ran v-mount and traditional setups?

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/31/8iae.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/716/xc5y.jpg
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http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/716/ye90.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/22/uuoj.jpg

And here are a few pictures with the front fenders, bumper and hood (with a close up of clearance for those that were asking)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1600x1200q90/28/vy61.jpg
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1600x1200q90/11/6gz6.jpg
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[sr20s14zenki]

Looking cool so far man! Will just have to make a few custom end tanks for the intercooler eh?

I have a question more than anything. Why are you using that particular trigger wheel setup. As far as i know the ms3x has no issues reading the stock VR sensors?

[Noremac]

That is what will have to be done if I go with a v mount setup. Ms3x is capable of doing it that way as well. I purchased the entire harness, ecu, coil kit, injectors, rail and map sensor from a guy who used it with great success in both his 2jz powered fc and fox body:

http://www.youtube.com/user/2JZFC/videos

Its the way he liked to run it most. I'll give it a try and see.

[sr20s14zenki]

Oh I see. Was just curious. Cool

[Noremac]

After some consideration I'll be going with a conventional radiator and intercooler layout for this year. Sometime down the road I'd like to experiment with an intercooler/radiator setup that occupies the same space as the factory radiator in an over-under orientation. The reduction in surface area of both cores would be made up for with increased thickness and significant ducting.

On another note I've put all new bearings into the differential housing and am ready to tq the crush sleeve to spec and install the carbonetic 2 way. Has anybody done this before in an s4 or s5 diff?

[01RedDX]

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[Noremac]

Thank you I think?

[Noremac]

It runs. I still need to make a radiator/intercooler mount, exhaust and finish some of the plumbing but the engine bay is nearly done.

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/841/g91hb.jpg

[Toma]

Sick.

That is all.

[Noremac]

^^

Glad you like it. I want to come and see you to refine this tune a bit on the dyno. I had a look at the website and there wasn't any availability in the schedule. Have you gone back to booking by phone?

[theFlash]

Wow. It's looking great. It'll be nice to have the power to match the looks (love the FC2000 front). Ever thought about a diffuser for the rear? Those 11.5 wides might not be enough! 13"? lol

[Noremac]

I'm not sure what I'm going to do with the rear of the car but it will involve both a wing and a diffuser at some point. I hope to finish the exhaust this weekend (4" turbo back in ss with a vibrant resonator and a magnaflow muffler). Updates soon.

[Noremac]

I finished rebuilding the diff and installing the 2 way, the exhaust is built up to the rear tire and final wiring has started. Just waiting on coilovers and some more time to work on it.

[Noremac]

Found a great deal on this so it needed to be done. Needs a few more components to be complete and I'm not sure if I'll use it before building a bottom end but here is a picture anyway:


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/450x450q90/908/9A8uOX.jpg

[AMFH403]

Wow nice, I was thinking about that. Such a good deal on that system. Was this the test fitted one on supraforums?

[Fly Fishin']

This build is crazy! I can't wait to see it on the road.

[Noremac]

Thanks guys, yes this was the Twins Turbo 5 stage kit that was installed on Bjorn's engine as delivered to him.

I'm really tempted to gather the other components (tank,pressure lines,block feed fitting,filter adapter,cooler and possibly a vac limiting valve) and install it on my factory bottom end. It should improve ring seal and provide a greater sump capacity depending on what I can fit.

Something else I'm considering when I go dry sump is to run a mechanical fuel pump off of the rear of the pump. Its the ultimate in simplicity and could make for both a higher flowing and more reliable pump arrangement than I currently have.
The only question is if a surge tank is necessary on a mechanical fuel pump setup if I were to run a check valve inline near to the tank (sumped fuel cell) and the feed line is of appreciable diameter (-10).

Thoughts?

[Glen.C]

Excellent, excellent build so far. Keep up the nice work.

[AMFH403]

Originally posted by Noremac
Thanks guys, yes this was the Twins Turbo 5 stage kit that was installed on Bjorn's engine as delivered to him.

I'm really tempted to gather the other components (tank,pressure lines,block feed fitting,filter adapter,cooler and possibly a vac limiting valve) and install it on my factory bottom end. It should improve ring seal and provide a greater sump capacity depending on what I can fit.

Something else I'm considering when I go dry sump is to run a mechanical fuel pump off of the rear of the pump. Its the ultimate in simplicity and could make for both a higher flowing and more reliable pump arrangement than I currently have.
The only question is if a surge tank is necessary on a mechanical fuel pump setup if I were to run a check valve inline near to the tank (sumped fuel cell) and the feed line is of appreciable diameter (-10).

Thoughts?

Nice, looks to be quality.

I would say you would still need a sumped fuel cell if you are doing any kind of racing. If you are absolutely dead set on a mechanical fuel pump, you can always run it like this for your set up. Proven to be effective.
http://www.powerhouseracing.com/p-4850-phr-2jz-mechanical-fuel-pump-bracket-kit.aspx

[Noremac]

Agreed, I do have a sumped fuel cell in the car already. I've heard of some drag biased setups running without a surge tank with good reliability and not requiring a feeder pump. I think I'll end up integrating some kind of 1 or 2L surge tank upstream of a check valve just to be sure.

As for a mechanical pump I've seen that setup but I think I'd like to run it off of the back of the dry sump pump instead ( a common configuration).

[Noremac]

I'll be the first to say that big wings aren't necessarily to my taste but after having driven a 500hp fc at high speed without a wing, it's something that I feel is required.

With that said here are a few pictures:

Carbon element (I'm told it's an Origin?) and Ronin mounts. Please excuse the current state of disorganization that my garage is in :)

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/400x400q90/674/xjqlK8.jpg

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[strong]

Looking bad ass!! Any new updates?

[Noremac]

They have finally arrived.

A few small issues that I expect the vendor will correct but overall decently made and very light!

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[AMFH403]

Wow great job, this thing is looking better and better each update. Who made your doors if you don't mind me asking?

[Noremac]

Thanks. Still lots of work left.

No problem asking but I think I'll wait until the vendor corrects the outstanding issues before providing any advertising. This is apparently the second set in North America .

[Noremac]

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Update:

-I decided to change the front bumper from a Shine fc2000 rep to a real RE - AMEMIYA full cowl spl._

- ECU has been changed from an ms3x to a ProEFI 128

- The car is back from paint. I went with BMW Carbon black metallic. It looks quite black in the shade or at night and blue in direct sunlight. I really like it._

Lots of small things to address before the car is ready for the road:

- street legal wiring_
- finalize engine harness and interior wiring_
- plumb front and rear brake circuits and mount pedal box
- finalize driveshaft to diff adapter_
- install fd rear brake setup_
- re key hatch lock cylinder_
- install check valve at 044 discharge ports_
- fabricate a cover for the fuel fill port
- mount wing_
- machine shifter bushings_
- alignment_
- complete ecu calibration on dyno_

[Noremac]

One more:

[theFlash]

Nice to see you're still going! My own project hit financial trouble due to job issues, but hopefully can get back at it soon.

That is a great color!

[HomespunLobster]

I wish I never sold my FC. Fun zippy little cars