Nokia Lumia 1020 image samples

[clem24]

Some absolutely stunning image samples from the new Lumia 1020, which finally incorporates their PureView 41MP sensor (originally from the Nokia 808) into a modern OS.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nokia-Lumia-1020-official-samples-from-the-41-megapixel-camera_id45207

Keep in mind that the point of the sensor is to NOT take 41MP images, but instead to make use of 41MP to create better lower res pics. The other benefit is 5MP digital lossless zoom by cropping a 5MP chunk out of a full 41MP image.

Honestly I feel as if this sensor essentially makes obsolete pretty much any low to mid end P&S cameras. Yes there's still some things you can't do (for example, I am pretty sure it still lacks aperture blades) but for what most people do with P&S cams, this can effectively cover off 95% of those activities.

[flipstah]

Time to upgrade lol.

The 920 has a great kit already! :love:

[blitz]

I want one! No idea about Windows Phone though. Would it be weird to buy one, not sign up for a plan and just treat it like a camera? :rofl:

[clem24]

Originally posted by blitz
I want one! No idea about Windows Phone though. Would it be weird to buy one, not sign up for a plan and just treat it like a camera? :rofl:

Yes, buy one, get bored of it, then sell it to me! :D

BTW Windows Phone is freakin' awesome.. It seriously makes every other OS (i.e. iOS and Android) feel completely antiquated. Sure it doesn't have a million useless apps, but the ones they do have are excellent. Then you also get the excellent Nokia Here+ maps and GPS, completely FB, LinkedIn, Email, Skype.. You name it, integration into your phone and contacts. Oh and automatic cloud storage of phone contacts, documents, and whatever else. No more seeing your contacts getting wiped on upgrades like iOS likes to do.

[blitz]

Hmm, I'll have to look into that. My contract is up in a few months.

[flipstah]

Big supporter of the Windows Phone OS! Check out the thread in the Electronics section to know more about it but clem24 already pointed out the perks :-)

I'll need this more than ever now! My 920 accelerometer just broke last night :(

[AccentAE86]

aHHH DROOOOL!!!

I want! Really want! But it doesn't support WIND so I guess I'm SOL and "stuck" with the Lumia 920. (A really really nice compromise... :)

[blitz]

Where did you find that Wind wasn't supported? I haven't see anything on Canadian carriers yet.

[taemo]

pic 14 of 17 - Grimaldi's Pizza :drool:

how much is this going to retail for?
tempted to finally upgrade my Iphone 4

[AccentAE86]

Originally posted by blitz
Where did you find that Wind wasn't supported? I haven't see anything on Canadian carriers yet.

typically, rogers follows suit with whatever at&t is doing. Att is the exclusive carrier in the states for the 1020. So it will likely be rogers that gets the 1020, if at all. And rogers does not use the same bands as wind and mobilicity. In fact, most phones that support wind mobi bands (aws 1700_2100) have a special model just to add support for those bands. Id fall off my chair if wind or mobi bring in the 1020.

The 920 though was a special case. For some odd reason, the rogers version supported wind bands, while the rest of the world's 920's did not. A very rare situation indeed, which i took full advantage of. But i doubt id be that lucky again. Currently, the only Wp8 Lumias to support wind bands are the 810 and 521, and only because they are TMobile exclusives in the states, which also operates on the same AWS band.

I would be in heaven if some odd version of the 1020 supported aws.

[AccentAE86]

Hmmm, I just stumbled upon a Lumia 1020 variant RM-876.

The AT&T version is RM-877, and the international version is RM-875

But the RM-876 is focused on HSPA networks and drops LTE support, which is exactly what works for WIND and Mobilicity up here in Canada.

specs:
RM-876, WCDMA HSPA+ variant: EGSM 850/900/1800/1900, WCDMA 850/900/1900/2100 and 1700/2100, HSDPA+ Cat24 (42.1 Mbps), HSUPA Cat 6 (5.76 Mbps)

So if AT&T sells RM-877, and the rest of the world gets RM-875, then where on earth can you get RM-876?

[taemo]

hey ryan, buy this then sell me your GR :)

[eblend]

Originally posted by flipstah
Big supporter of the Windows Phone OS!

Me too, and it's really picking up steam. I am using a Galaxy Note 2 simply because I wanted a big 5.5" phone to double as a tablet, but if there was a Win Phone equivalent I would definitely go back.

Had an IOS device for like 4 years, Windows phone 7 device for almost 2 years, and now on Android, and Win Pho is definitely the best interface for me, feels so modern.

This camera on the 1020 is pretty insane.

[AccentAE86]

Originally posted by eblend


Me too, and it's really picking up steam. I am using a Galaxy Note 2 simply because I wanted a big 5.5" phone to double as a tablet, but if there was a Win Phone equivalent I would definitely go back.

Had an IOS device for like 4 years, Windows phone 7 device for almost 2 years, and now on Android, and Win Pho is definitely the best interface for me, feels so modern.

This camera on the 1020 is pretty insane.

WP8 is quite an improvement over WP7! You should give it a whirl! 920's have come down in price a lot, and it's one helluva awesome phone. Rumour states that a WP8 based phablet is on the horizon, as WP8 SDK just added support for 1080 screens.

I never understood the phablet thing though. It's just not pocketable! I'd rather combine my computer and tablet (like the Lenovo HELIX!) than my phone and tablet.

[clem24]

Originally posted by AccentAE86


WP8 is quite an improvement over WP7! You should give it a whirl! 920's have come down in price a lot, and it's one helluva awesome phone.

No kidding.. Prices in the $3xx region for used but the 1020 just made the 920 obsolete! Well maybe except for you Wind losers. For the time being..

[flipstah]

The 920 dropped in price so quick! :(

[taemo]

some shots I saw on flickr taken with the 1020
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bryantphethmanh/9391663184/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bryantphethmanh/9366491973/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bryantphethmanh/9366501211/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bryantphethmanh/9369297648/

[blitz]

So it's coming to Rogers in Oct!

Only problem is that Rogers is a dead zone in my companies field location, which I go occasionally. Will an unlocked AT&T device work on Telus?

[flipstah]

Originally posted by blitz
So it's coming to Rogers in Oct!

Only problem is that Rogers is a dead zone in my companies field location, which I go occasionally. Will an unlocked AT&T device work on Telus?

... AND I'm broke. What spectrum is the Telus iPhone on? If it's on the 1020, then you're gold.

[slick2404]

http://mobilesyrup.com/2013/08/23/nokia-lumia-1020-coming-to-telus-along-with-the-4-7-inch-lumia-625/


We’ve received word directly from TELUS that they will also be carrying the Nokia Lumia 1020, the first time the company has carried a flagship Windows Phone since the Lumia 800 back in early 2012.

So, good news all around. The 41MP Lumia 1020 won’t any longer be a carrier exclusive, and Canadians will have another low-cost smartphone to choose from

[AccentAE86]

Thank God. I hate the idea of carrier exclusives. I'm waiting for some Beyonder to buy one and post up some epic images from it!

[blitz]

I think I'll do it. My iPhone contract is up in Sept, time for something new.

[AccentAE86]

Originally posted by blitz
I think I'll do it. My iPhone contract is up in Sept, time for something new.

Sweet, looking forward to it! I'm tempted to just pick one up just to try out some photoshoots with one! I wish you could rent these things! I'd buy one if it worked on WIND. Who knows, maybe the Rogers or Telus version might support AWS. I lucked out with the Lumia 920, maybe the 1020 will do the same.

[blitz]

I was down in Seattle a few weeks ago and played with one at a Microsoft store. Seemed very intuitive and responsive.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by blitz
I think I'll do it. My iPhone contract is up in Sept, time for something new.

I might as well. The 920 is a great phone so I'll check out the 1020 and see what's what.

[sabad66]

Finally! Does anyone know if you can unlock these yourselves without going through Rogers?

[clem24]

Originally posted by sabad66
Finally! Does anyone know if you can unlock these yourselves without going through Rogers?

I am sure those online places can do it. I unlocked my Telus 620 2 weeks after I got it (which was also 1 week after it was released). Umm... I think I did it through canadagsm.ca

http://unlock.canadagsm.ca/

And it was something like $25? Worked like a charm.

Looks to me like they already have codes for the 1020.

[flipstah]

I wonder how heavy it is. The 920 is a brick and massive.

[clem24]

Originally posted by flipstah
I wonder how heavy it is. The 920 is a brick and massive.

According to GSM Arena (http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Nokia-Lumia-1020,Nokia-Lumia-920/phones/7876,7471), it is 27g lighter than the 920 (which can be verified on Nokia.com), 0.6mm wider, but actually 0.3mm thinner than the 920. Go fig.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by clem24


According to GSM Arena (http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Nokia-Lumia-1020,Nokia-Lumia-920/phones/7876,7471), it is 27g lighter than the 920 (which can be verified on Nokia.com), 0.6mm wider, but actually 0.3mm thinner than the 920. Go fig.

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?!?111 :rofl:

[blitz]

Went through the apps I use the most and WP8 does pretty well. Only hole for me is there's no Kobo reader app, but is sounds like I might be able to transfer my DRM books into another app. I have to confirm that though, because that could be a dealbreaker for me.

Offline maps rock, I've always hated having to have 3G on with my iPhone when traveling in the US.

[The_Rural_Juror]

Is it easy to tether on the Lumia 1020, or Windows phones in generalÉ

[flipstah]

What sucked is that Asia offline maps are spotty. They had one for Philippines but not for Japan! :banghead:

[AccentAE86]

Originally posted by The_Rural_Juror
Is it easy to tether on the Lumia 1020, or Windows phones in generalÉ

It's easy on Windows Phone. It has it's own entry in the Settings.

But Rogers and AT&T purposely crippled their versions of the Lumia 920 which does not allow wifi sharing. Since I have the Rogers Lumia 920 but using it on WIND, I have no wifi sharing capability, even though the 920 does have that feature. :(

What kind of format does Kobo use? I'm sure there's an equivalent for WP8.

WP8 has some seriously passionate rockstar devs too. Look up Rudy Huyn, all his stuff is absolutely top notch. He is filling in holes where official apps don't exist, but he makes his third party apps so good that they are endorsed by the companies that aren't willing to make the apps, like Wikipedia or Instagram. Often, they are much better than official apps would be anyways. So while WP8 does lack in official stuff, the third party stuff available is so good that an official app wouldn't be as good anyhow.

MetroTube is another one for a great Youtube app (since Google is playing super nasty with microsoft), or even more obscure stuff like Oni (which is a Philips Hue app which goes well beyond the official iPhone Hue app). Oni allows you to control the mood lighting in your house by voice commands, and you can also program NFC tags so you can bump your phone onto an NFC tag you program yourself to preset light setttings you've made... for example you can put an nfc tag by your bed so you just bump your phone when you get into bed and it'll dim the lights to your desired reading level or something. This kind of stuff (voice and NFC), the iPhone is totally incapable of.

That being said, I'm sure there are going to be some holes here and there, but the overall user experience of Windows phone is really hard to beat. It is so well designed and uses a very carefully though out design language for consistency across many apps. iOS7 is actually taking a lot of design cues from WP8.

[Strider]

Are these "official sample images" as fake as the sample video and photos from the Lumia 920? :poosie:

http://forums.beyond.ca/st/359202/nokia-busted-for-faking-images-for-lumia-920/

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_920_sample_images_found_to_be_fake_as_well-news-4769.php

[AccentAE86]

Originally posted by Strider
Are these "official sample images" as fake as the sample video and photos from the Lumia 920? :poosie:

http://forums.beyond.ca/st/359202/nokia-busted-for-faking-images-for-lumia-920/

http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_920_sample_images_found_to_be_fake_as_well-news-4769.php

Well, the 1020 sample images have the EXIF intact, so it definitely looks legit. But in regards to the faked OIS video, it was more a demonstration of OIS than anything else. Commercials do that all the time, constantly. Lots of food photos aren't even edible food, and don't tell me McDonald's food looks ANYTHING like their adverts, and many car commercials use modifed cars to make them look more exciting than their production counterparts. It's typical.

But at the end of the day, the point is, the OIS system works AMAZINGLY well and is VERY capable, as is the low light photography. You actually can expect results similar to those samples.

[clem24]

Originally posted by AccentAE86


Well, the 1020 sample images have the EXIF intact, so it definitely looks legit. But in regards to the faked OIS video, it was more a demonstration of OIS than anything else. Commercials do that all the time, constantly. Lots of food photos aren't even edible food, and don't tell me McDonald's food looks ANYTHING like their adverts, and many car commercials use modifed cars to make them look more exciting than their production counterparts. It's typical.


Here's a good example of really bad advertising (I just pulled this off the Sony.ca site - you can see it for yourself HERE (http://store.sony.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=100803&storeId=20153&langId=200&productId=8198552921666429163) ). I LOL everytime I see something like this: Sony demonstrating their optical stabilization system. I don't see how a slow shutter speed would eliminate blur when someone MOVES THEIR FUCKING body hahahaha.

At least Nokia succeeded in demo'ing by using simulated images. This.. This is just a completely separate issue.

[The_Rural_Juror]

^LOL!!

The no-tethering is a deal breaker for me.

[AccentAE86]

Originally posted by The_Rural_Juror
^LOL!!

The no-tethering is a deal breaker for me.

Don't get me wrong, wifi sharing DOES work well and is easy to use on Windows Phone, but if you decide to buy a Rogers or AT&T locked Lumia 1020, they may have disabled wifi sharing. That way, you have to actually call Rogers/ATT to enable it, which is probably one way they can control wifi sharing and charge you extra for it.

But if you buy the global unlocked version, there should be no such crippling. My 920 is crippled because I chose to buy a Rogers 920 rather than the international unlocked version. I cannot even call Rogers to enable it because I'm not on a Roger's plan, I'm on WIND. But if you are a rogers customer then the idea is that you should be able to enable it.

Regardless, the 1020 isn't even out here in Canada yet, they might surprise us and not disable wifi sharing at all. Who knows? We won't know until it actually comes out and users can report.

[AccentAE86]

Well, it's been done. National Geographic sent veteran NG photographer Stephen Alvarez on assignment with only one Lumia 1020 for stills, and another 1020 to produce the video of the assignment. The only two cameras brought on the assignment.

http://cdn.wpcentral.com/sites/wpcentral.com/files/styles/large/public/field/image/2013/08/Nokia_National_geographic_lumia_1020.JPG

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/nokia/

"It produces quality I couldn't imagine from a smartphone"

"What the Nokia Lumia 1020 does astounds me – these results, from a smartphone, are stunning. I have used a lot of camera phones so when I set out on this assignment I had my doubts, my doubts are gone – nothing else compares.”

"I have 22 inch prints on my wall that look like they came out of a DSLR."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlgGSbkzma4


So don't take our word for it. Take it from the best of the best.

[msommers]

For the average user though, image how long it'll take someone to upload a picture to facebook :rofl:

[clem24]

Originally posted by msommers
For the average user though, image how long it'll take someone to upload a picture to facebook :rofl:

It takes both 41MP and 5MP. The 41MP pics do not sync; only the 5MP ones do.

[clem24]

Originally posted by AccentAE86
Well, it's been done. National Geographic sent veteran NG photographer Stephen Alvarez on assignment with only one Lumia 1020 for stills, and another 1020 to produce the video of the assignment. The only two cameras brought on the assignment.

http://cdn.wpcentral.com/sites/wpcentral.com/files/styles/large/public/field/image/2013/08/Nokia_National_geographic_lumia_1020.JPG

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/nokia/

"It produces quality I couldn't imagine from a smartphone"

"What the Nokia Lumia 1020 does astounds me – these results, from a smartphone, are stunning. I have used a lot of camera phones so when I set out on this assignment I had my doubts, my doubts are gone – nothing else compares.”

"I have 22 inch prints on my wall that look like they came out of a DSLR."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlgGSbkzma4


So don't take our word for it. Take it from the best of the best.

The camera is obviously good but I think the bigger point of the article really, is that it's the photographer, not the gear!

[msommers]

Oh nice! What's the file size roughly for each of those resolution settings?

[flipstah]

Well, I'm sold. :hitit:

[clem24]

Originally posted by msommers
Oh nice! What's the file size roughly for each of those resolution settings?

Looks like about 11MB for full rez (about 38MP in 16:9 mode) and 2MB in 5MP mode. Don't forget the 5MP mode is doing Nokia's "Pixel Oversampling" whereby the pics will blow most other 5MP pics out the window (and in fact, the 5MP final product should actually "look" BETTER than their full rez 41 MP counterparts).

[AccentAE86]

Yeah, the whole goal of the 41mp is for lossless zoom, and to give you the highest quality 5mp file possible. Here is one of the 5mp samples DPReview shot.

http://m.connect.dpreview.com/files/p/cms_posts/8135699821/WP_20130726_20_40_48_Pro.jpg

And the point of the national geo article isn't that it is the photographer that makes the images, the point is that this photographer has used many camera phones and he said nothing comes close, and that it far exceeded his expectations, and that he has made 22" prints that look like they are from a dslr.

[blitz]

I'm sold. Now the waiting game starts.

[flipstah]

For those who aren't sold yet, this is from my 920 when my G10 ran out of juice:

http://doncommando.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/wp_20130809_053.jpg

Steady hand goes a long way. :hitit: