Civic Type-R Turbo Mega Thread

[A790]

As the the hot hatch market is starting to heat up, Honda is finally showing us the hotly anticipated next generation Civic Type R. The car was revealed today in near production ready form, without any camouflage.

The new Type R shares all of its bodywork with the standard European Civic hatchback. Instead of flaring the bumpers and wings, the added bolt-on flared elements, giving it the look of a racing car. A big rear wing and four very large exhaust pipes ensure nobody will ever be able to ignore this car.

While the Golf GTI or Ford Focus R have been designed to be more mainstream than ever, the new Type R is as ugly as a Subaru. We don't yet know how close the full production model will come to this one, but as you can see, the plastic surgery has been done by a butcher.

Together with lots of photos of the car, Honda also revealed a brand new engine, the so called 2.0 VTEC TURBO. This all-new unit was developed under the Earth Dreams technology initiative. Unlike the old Civic Type R, which only has a naturally aspirated, 200 hp 2-liter, this new turbo unit has almost class-leading output. Over 280 hp will be honed by what will most likely be a limited slip differential.

All that power and the crazy bodywork are there for a reason: Honda is going after the FWD production car lap record at the Nurburgring, which is currently held by Renault's Megane RS 265 Trophy.

Speaking during recent testing at the Nurburgring, Honda’s WTCC driver Gabriele Tarquini, gave his first driving impressions: "The car and the characteristics of the car were fantastic. I was really impressed by the power and the torque of the engine but also by the set-up they achieved…The car is very pointed on the front and very fast to change direction’. ‘This car is very close to my racing car and you can feel very well the DNA of Type R."

Source: http://www.autoevolution.com/news/honda-reveals-new-civic-type-r-with-vtec-turbo-engine-photo-gallery-71288.html

Think this will make it to NA?

[4doorj]

Please come to north america!
:burnout:

[88CRX]

Considering we've never had a CTR in north America I doubt it. But one can hope I guess.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by A790


Think this will make it to NA?

Hell no. They might bump up the HP of the current Si by about 20, and that's it. This IS Honda we're talking about :rofl:

[403ep3]

I wish..

[Mibz]

At least they're trying.

[98type_r]

Finally a Honda worth talking about.

[4doorj]

http://world.honda.com/news/2013/4131119VTEC-TURBO-Gasoline-Turbo-Engine/index.html

[ercchry]

Originally posted by 4doorj
http://world.honda.com/news/2013/4131119VTEC-TURBO-Gasoline-Turbo-Engine/index.html

so that strange gold vertical stack is the turbo? that should be fun for the aftermarket...

[KRyn]

That has got to be the thinnest inter-cooler I have ever laid my eyes on.

[n1zm0]

Originally posted by 4doorj
http://world.honda.com/news/2013/4131119VTEC-TURBO-Gasoline-Turbo-Engine/index.html

All aboard the turbocharged-4 cylinder powerplant-for-the-North-American-market train!

Too bad we didn't get this wave in the early 90's instead, damn the Americans and their influence on engine selections for North America. :(

[LOLzilla]

This will come to North America right after the turbocharged BRz STI.

[Mibz]

Originally posted by n1zm0
Damn the Americans and their influence on engine selections for North America. :( You realize that Ford, Chrysler, GM and Mazda all came out with I4 turbo cars in the early-mid 2000s, half of which are still being produced.

[n1zm0]

Originally posted by Mibz
You realize that Ford, Chrysler, GM and Mazda all came out with I4 turbo cars in the early-mid 2000s, half of which are still being produced.

Of course but nowhere near the availability/selection of what the EU and JDM markets had in the 90s.

[Mibz]

Originally posted by n1zm0
the 90s. Fuck, misread your first post, haha.

[a61z]

Originally posted by ercchry


so that strange gold vertical stack is the turbo? that should be fun for the aftermarket...
looks like just a heatshield over the turbine housing and dp which is normal. as long as the hotside/manifold/dp/head are not cast together or something weird, should be lots of options.

[eglove]

So ugly

[jsn]

I'll believe it when I see it. A near 300 HP production civic from Honda? Yea, right. Even if it does come out, it'll be another model we don't get to see in North America like the previous generations.

[MGCM]

:barf: who would buy that? the body is beyond nasty, yuck

[clem24]

Originally posted by n1zm0
Too bad we didn't get this wave in the early 90's instead, damn the Americans and their influence on engine selections for North America. :(

I think you can blame cheap gasoline for that. There's a win-lose in there somewhere.

[n1zm0]

Originally posted by clem24
I think you can blame cheap gasoline for that. There's a win-lose in there somewhere.

yeah of course that's the initial reason stemming from the 70s culture of cheap fuel, but then it grew into 'North Americans must generally love large engines no matter how many cylinders are involved.'

I'm sure it's why Nissan shoved a large displacement 2.4L N/A 4 cylinder truck engine into the domestic S-chassis for North America only... for 8 years straight :nut:.

[4doorj]

http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/auto-shows/honda-civic-type-concept-turns-hatchback-heat-geneva-article-1.1710337

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/wp-content/uploads//2014/03/Civic-Type-R-Concept-04.jpg

[Albertosaurus]

Hopefully with all the increased activity in hot hatches here in North America Honda will throw us a bone and release this here.

[Redlined_8000]

I actually think it looks really good. I hope they make it sound like a proper vtec honda also.

I think that chance of NA getting this car zip! lol. It is a great car, but does NA really want a euro styled civic hatch performance car? I dont think so. Honda can swap the power train to the current gen or next gen SI but this would require development since it is a different car. This leads me to believe we wont even be seeing this engine in NA... Sadly.

[EF9 Sedan]

Honda should bring the CTR to North America. I don't really understand why they wouldn't...

[ekguy]

it's too bad honda will never make a civic awd like back in the day again.

[Darkane]

Originally posted by Redlined_8000
I actually think it looks really good. I hope they make it sound like a proper vtec honda also.

I think that chance of NA getting this car zip! lol. It is a great car, but does NA really want a euro styled civic hatch performance car? I dont think so. Honda can swap the power train to the current gen or next gen SI but this would require development since it is a different car. This leads me to believe we wont even be seeing this engine in NA... Sadly.

I was thinking in the next accord, but the honda v6 is just so good still. I can see it going for another generation lol.

[DeleriousZ]

Wasn't there a poll or something to bring the CTR to canada?

[Albertosaurus]

http://img3.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Autosalon-Genf-2014-Honda-Civic-Type-R-Concept-fotoshowBigImage-f86e7bb6-760286.jpg
http://img2.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Autosalon-Genf-2014-Honda-Civic-Type-R-Concept-fotoshowBigImage-5bfb58e-760288.jpg

280 HP, under 8 minute ring time.. The longer I look at this car the more I want one.

It's the hot hatch North America deserves but doesn't need...

[benyl]

Originally posted by EF9 Sedan
Honda should bring the CTR to North America. I don't really understand why they wouldn't...

Cause no one will buy it.

Same reason the A3 is now a sedan and not a hatch.

Same reason we got the cla class and not the a class.

[Albertosaurus]

Originally posted by benyl


Cause no one will buy it.

Same reason the A3 is now a sedan and not a hatch.

Same reason we got the cla class and not the a class.

They'd probably steal sales from STI, Golf-R/GTi, Fiesta/Focus ST and other boy ricer cars.

Hell, if Honda released the Type-R in North America I'd be at the dealership with my Mugen foam finger and a large down payment to get one of the first Championship White models.

[Redlined_8000]

Originally posted by Albertosaurus


They'd probably steal sales from STI, Golf-R/GTi, Fiesta/Focus ST and other boy ricer cars.

Hell, if Honda released the Type-R in North America I'd be at the dealership with my Mugen foam finger and a large down payment to get one of the first Championship White models.

lol
there are quite a few people that would join you im sure. But after the first rush of fanboys how will it sell? I would imagine it to be atleast 40k. This is just way to expensive for a front drive car. No one would buy it

[Darkane]

Originally posted by Redlined_8000


lol
there are quite a few people that would join you im sure. But after the first rush of fanboys how will it sell? I would imagine it to be atleast 40k. This is just way to expensive for a front drive car. No one would buy it

You're right I think.

I'd like to see this car here, really, but as I've said before take the motor and detune it to 250 hp. Throw it In a coupe and call it the SiR.

Sell it a couple grand under a GTI or ST and people will buy it!

Then release the new roadster chassis with the 280hp engine.

[desto2para]

I have never owned a hatchback before but Id assume that its hard to see anything out the back window? :dunno:
From the angle of that picture it looks like it has the same rear window angle as a bmw x6

[Deetz]

Originally posted by desto2para
I have never owned a hatchback before but Id assume that its hard to see anything out the back window? :dunno:
From the angle of that picture it looks like it has the same rear window angle as a bmw x6

Hard to say in person. I have an old school crx with the weird back window design, yet can see out of the back just fine

It would be a fun car if it came to North America. It's funny, people they won't sell enough of them......well, they sell a hell of a lot more then the crz, and that's on the road here :nut:

[desto2para]

Originally posted by Deetz


Hard to say in person. I have an old school crx with the weird back window design, yet can see out of the back just fine

It would be a fun car if it came to North America. It's funny, people they won't sell enough of them......well, they sell a hell of a lot more then the crz, and that's on the road here :nut:

that's true totally forgot about the crx and crz

[Albertosaurus]

Originally posted by desto2para


that's true totally forgot about the crx and crz

Don't worry, the only thing people remember about the CRZ is that it's garbage.

[n1zm0]

Press R while the video plays (https://www.youtube.com/user/HondaVideo) , the exhaust note is :drool:, but make sure you switch back and forth especially at the end to the beat... ;)

[Tik-Tok]

That'd be a pretty boring video if you didn't mention pushing R, lol.

The exhaust in the tunnel was sweet.

[01RedDX]

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[Redlyne_mr2]

Not many people bought the Mazdaspeed 3 when it was out, probably why honda won't bring this car here.

[Redlined_8000]

Some guy on 8th civic forum just said:


Its been confirmed for Canada which means its been green lit for North America - with a turbo, emissions are not the problem they were with previous high compression type r's which makes this car perfect for north america and the growing 25-30k turbo 4/5 seater market

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/8thcivic-com-site-news/504242-civic-type-r-concept-will-boost-your-faith-honda.html

[rage2]

Nice. Can't beat the accuracy of some guy on the Internet lol.

It's not coming here. Don't get your hopes up.

[01RedDX]

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[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by rage2
Nice. Can't beat the accuracy of some guy on the Internet lol.

It's not coming here. Don't get your hopes up.

Says the guy on the Internet


(I don't think we're getting it, either.)

[88CRX]

We're probably not.... But Honda did bring an overpriced Integra type r here in the 90's.

[benyl]

Originally posted by 88CRX
We're probably not.... But Honda did bring an overpriced Integra type r here in the 90's.

Does honda even sell a hatch anymore in NA? The Fit?

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by 88CRX
We're probably not.... But Honda did bring an overpriced Integra type r here in the 90's.

That was before Honda (and Toyota) realized how much bland and boring sells in North America.

[benyl]

I looked at honda.ca

They sell the CR-Z. Which doesn't sell. As much as the drivetrain sucks, I bet being a hatch has a lot to do with lack of sales.

[88CRX]

Originally posted by benyl
I looked at honda.ca

They sell the CR-Z. Which doesn't sell. As much as the drivetrain sucks, I bet being a hatch has a lot to do with lack of sales.

*cough* Focus ST *cough*

The CRZ is so underpowered and boring no wonder it didn’t sell. On top of that it’s nearly impossible to get one new from Honda. I was reading online that each dealership only got 2 or 3 and once they were gone it was impossible to get one from Honda Canada. Not that anyone would want one but still.

[Aleks]

Even if it comes I can't see it being any better than a GTI PP or Focus ST.

[Darkane]

I'm really hoping it comes.

I can see the engine being the gem here. It'll rev quite high for a turbo using less boost. With tunes we could be seeing 400 hp 2L's. Crazy.

[revelations]

Originally posted by Redlined_8000
Some guy on 8th civic forum just said:



http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/8thcivic-com-site-news/504242-civic-type-r-concept-will-boost-your-faith-honda.html

That guy is a clown without a source. The regular Civic SI Coupe will be for sale here in 2015 - not the CTR.

Until NA sees the base Euro model Civic here, its not going to happen. Meanwhile, to placate the backwards-minded Americans, were stuck with conservative, traditional, bloated and ugly vehicles.



(an actual) source:

http://www.honda.ca/civic_coupe_si#!/en?model_key=civic_coupe_si

http://www.honda.ca/Content/honda.ca/en/2015/civic_coupe_si/si_10316/DefaultGroup_Top_Tout/2015_Civic_Si_Coupe_Hero_EN.png

[benyl]

Originally posted by revelations

Until NA sees the base Euro model Civic here, its not going to happen.

History has proven otherwise. EP3 was a standalone chasis for the hatch only. Still no TypeR, but not based on the USDM civic.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/88crx/blog/type-one_blog_01.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/user/88crx/media/blog/type-one_blog_01.jpg.html)

[revelations]

Originally posted by benyl


History has proven otherwise. EP3 was a standalone chasis for the hatch only. Still no TypeR, but not based on the USDM civic.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a262/88crx/blog/type-one_blog_01.jpg (http://s13.photobucket.com/user/88crx/media/blog/type-one_blog_01.jpg.html)

I have one and love it. IMO the EP3 was an NA market test for Honda - which failed.

[Redlyne_mr2]

EP3 was/is a great car, it's a shame it never went anywhere.

[mikestypes]

Originally posted by benyl


History has proven otherwise. EP3 was a standalone chasis for the hatch only. Still no TypeR, but not based on the USDM civic.


It was not really a stand alone chassis considering it shared almost identical underpinnings from the USDM Civic and RSX.

If they had put the K20A2 in the EP3, it would have been much more successful.

[88CRX]

Originally posted by mikestypes

If they had put the K20A2 in the EP3, it would have been much more successful.

Then it would have been a type R and we wouldn't be second guessing whether or not we're getting the new CTR hatch :nut:

[mikestypes]

Originally posted by 88CRX


Then it would have been a type R and we wouldn't be second guessing whether or not we're getting the new CTR hatch :nut:

Hahaha, yeah I guess it would have been.

[flipstah]

Looks good! Hopefully it'll come. More power for the masses!

[Trinzler]

I'd have cash in hand to buy one if they came out here.

[Redlined_8000]

To be honest... If this came to Canada and had the performance, sound, and driving pleasure of a TRUE modern day Type R, Id probably buy one. lol. 300hp, honda turbo vtec sound. Would be sweet.

We can dream.... But this isnt gonna come. To bad :(

[Sugarphreak]

...

[revelations]

^ minus the 3 door models for us tall folk :(

[AG_Styles]

When the integra R was out here, Honda was losing money on the sale of each car... they only did it willingly to meet their auto sports requirements back during that era. I don't think they're that involved now so there's no real reason to bring the R back here, especially given the backwards appeal the North American crowds have here. The taste here seems to be towards luxury-type experiences, not sport ones.

[Darkane]

^^ could be. But Honda has made super bold claims heralding the civic as the fastest FWD around the ring ever. Americans want that just to say they have it.

[AG_Styles]

^ yah, but as sales are just a numbers game, is there the potential purchase base that would actually purchase this car vs a standard fuel saver? I would, but I can't say that I'm representative of the majority of the car purchasers in North America.

It sucks but as mentioned by other posters above, the previous attempts at gathering numbers in this continent for both Japanese hatchbacks and more performance/sport oriented cars have not proven extremely viable for business it seems. Majority of people here just want coupes and cheaper but luxurious cars. Here's to hoping an R eventually makes it's way here before I move back to Asia.

[heavyD]

The Honda we knew in the 90's is dead. They just aren't the same company today.

[redline]

Originally posted by heavyD
The Honda we knew in the 90's is dead. They just aren't the same company today.

Quoted for truth

But now that they are coming back to f1 we will see... But I am not holding my breath for a change.

I think fuck this car is fitting cause it would never come here :drama:

[AG_Styles]

even more speculation, although this guy obviously has a very terrible grasp of the English language.

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/honda-civic-type-r-finally-will-arrives-at-us-coasts-1653681508

"The much desired Type-R, the hot-hatch version of the euro-spec Civic, will arrive soon at North America. Sources next to Honda revealed to MotoryRacing today that the new +276 hp 2-liter that will equipe the new Civic is in development to a next generation of US-spec Civic."

[rage2]

Originally posted by AG_Styles
even more speculation, although this guy obviously has a very terrible grasp of the English language.

http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/honda-civic-type-r-finally-will-arrives-at-us-coasts-1653681508

"The much desired Type-R, the hot-hatch version of the euro-spec Civic, will arrive soon at North America. Sources next to Honda revealed to MotoryRacing today that the new +276 hp 2-liter that will equipe the new Civic is in development to a next generation of US-spec Civic."
4L turbo too.

btw - I'm pretty sure that anyone can post on jalopnik opposite lock. It's kind of like a forum, in a blog format.

[revelations]

good way to tell an article is garbage - written in the comments section below the article:



Blunion05 drives a pink S2000Sergio J Cabrera
Today 12:18pm

Where are your sources and information on this coming from? No where have you provided a source with credibility that the civic type r is coming to the United states.


Sergio J Cabrera
Today 2:00pm

No, you're right. I'm not provided any info about my sources.


(ie he has none to cite)

[revelations]

So, while 2015 Civic in NA will be as indicated - there are rumours now about 2016.

The originator of a petition (20,000 strong) to bring the CTR to NA has contacted Honda and has this to say:



...I also contacted Honda last week and they replied with "thank you , no
comment right now". I also heard the "no comment" from fellow Honda employees that I socialize with.

What they do not understand is that when you say "NO WAY", it means "NO WAY", but when you say NO COMMENT, it means "I am not allowed to tell you the good news just yet until the car is ready to be marketed" and "we have another civic to sell you until its time to start production on the new generation"


Good time to start saving for a down payment ??? :eek:

[tehwegz]

10th Generation Honda Civic Spied Testing

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2014/11/10th-generation-honda-civic-spied-testing.html

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=1211639



Honda pls

http://honda-tech.com/attachments/general-discussion-debate-40/375671d1408383851-10th-gen-honda-civic-2017-2017-honda-civic-front-640x331.jpg

^I want to believe.

[Redlined_8000]

Well we can confirm one thing. There will be a new gen civic for 2016. We can also assume that Honda will want to keep with the trend of increased efficiency and fuel economy. This leads me to believe this new 10th gen civic could be designed for the new Turbo Vtec Motors.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/11/19/honda-new-turbo-vtec-engines-civic-type-r/
http://o.aolcdn.com/hss/storage/adam/3ddf716fb077ce2ce449801c55b2b88a/628-honda-turbo-vtec-engines.jpg


And if it is designed for the new turbo vtec motors.... We could see the 2.0L turbo in one.

[revelations]

^ all this leads into a strong chance that late 2016, CTR could arrive here .... :burnout:

[speedog]

Originally posted by tehwegz
10th Generation Honda Civic Spied Testing

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2014/11/10th-generation-honda-civic-spied-testing.html

http://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=1211639



Honda pls

http://honda-tech.com/attachments/general-discussion-debate-40/375671d1408383851-10th-gen-honda-civic-2017-2017-honda-civic-front-640x331.jpg

^I want to believe.
Those spy shots look nothing like this render in red.

[Redlined_8000]

Looks like they are bringing the Type R engine to the USA. Might possibly develop it into the 10th gen Civic as the Euro civic type r cannot pass the safety standards here and such...

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/12/15/us-honda-civic-type-r-engine-report/

[Trinzler]

They should just cram all that type-r shit into the CRZ and call it a day

[Redlined_8000]

Originally posted by Trinzler
They should just cram all that type-r shit into the CRZ and call it a day

That would never happen. CRZ would need alot of development for something like that, and it just isnt worth it. CRZ sucks lol.

I think its safe to say we will be getting a 280hp + Civic si in 2016-2017.

[4doorj]

If this happens I would probably upgrade my si

[MGCM]

Originally posted by Redlined_8000


That would never happen. CRZ would need alot of development for something like that, and it just isnt worth it. CRZ sucks lol.

I think its safe to say we will be getting a 280hp + Civic si in 2016-2017.

........wrx, brz, or this........im torn lol

[Ca_Silvia13]

Ford is also bringing the RS to NA so there are fortunately going to be lots of options to choose from. No complaints what so ever :burnout:

[tehwegz]

Focus RS will probably be 45k here. Which is what I'm thinking the full deal CT-R will go for ( Euros converted to CDN ) then there is the Golf R, same deal. And the STi. Evo X headed into last year of production with increased power and little tweaks.

Unless they give us a more tame down CT-R and call it the new CivSi for ~35k CDN which is what I see them doing.

The Nissan IDX has grown on me. I see it coming about '16 or '17. I hear they're dropping the Z, mixing in the S, with the look of a Datsun 510, and you get a direct FRS/BRZ/GT86 fighter. But with 1.6L turbo, 200hp/200lb-ft.

Too many choices is right. I'll wait and see what gets revealed next month.

[Redlined_8000]

Originally posted by tehwegz
Focus RS will probably be 45k here. Which is what I'm thinking the full deal CT-R will go for ( Euros converted to CDN ) then there is the Golf R, same deal. And the STi. Evo X headed into last year of production with increased power and little tweaks.

Unless they give us a more tame down CT-R and call it the new CivSi for ~35k CDN which is what I see them doing.



I agree!


Im looking forward to this tho.. Finally we will see what Honda can bring to the table. Also that European designed Focus RS shouldn't disappoint.

[Tilly]

This car gives me similar vibes to that of the latest generation(s) WRX/STI - the wheel arch treatment.

..not that the civic is AWD and capable of handling such extreme bodywork.

[tehwegz]

the wrx/sti always had those wheel arches. Its just the body proportions this time around make them look out of place. What started on the bug eyes...remains on increasingly bloated looking ones of today. But are by far safer, stiffer, better handling, better steering, etc. than ever before.



We aren't getting the CT-R but some sources on Google News close to Honda indicate the all new 2016 CivSi's to get the 2.0L iVTEC turbo motor in Coupe or Sedan form.

wood buy

[Redlined_8000]

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/20/75d2ce9ebc490ef94bcd90a5ed30443e.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/21/b1077c5cdb6fa2794bc846e35bc55566.jpg

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/21/f529d1169a2fa9e9c2dc8d40290b96c3.jpg



???????? :dunno: :eek:

[MGCM]

:clap: :clap: :clap: so many great new cars to look forward to:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Redlined_8000]

I thought that the Euro spec body style didn't pass crash safety ratings for NA. odd. Not sure what this means. Maybe someone at Honda screwed up and accidentally took this out for a drive lol.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by Redlined_8000
I thought that the Euro spec body style didn't pass crash safety ratings for NA. odd. Not sure what this means. Maybe someone at Honda screwed up and accidentally took this out for a drive lol.

Turbo Civic(s) are coming later this year. Pretty sure there will be a 1.5T and 2.0T. To me those pics still look like sedan with a giant spoiler.

I'm going to be so tempted later this year:

Golf R
Focus RS
Civic Type R?

:burnout:

[A2VR6]

Originally posted by Aleks


Turbo Civic(s) are coming later this year. Pretty sure there will be a 1.5T and 2.0T. To me those pics still look like sedan with a giant spoiler.

I'm going to be so tempted later this year:

Golf R
Focus RS
Civic Type R?

:burnout:

Whatever leases best I guess right? ;)

[Shlade]

I don't care how much power it has it's still horrible looking

[Aleks]

Originally posted by A2VR6


Whatever leases best I guess right? ;)

In that case CTR it is.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by A2VR6


Whatever leases best I guess right? ;) You know it, baller. :bigpimp: :devil: :thumbsup:

[Mibz]

I really don't think the CTR is going to be competing with the Golf R and Focus RS. At least not in terms of performance.

[Redlined_8000]

Originally posted by Mibz
I really don't think the CTR is going to be competing with the Golf R and Focus RS. At least not in terms of performance.

It might be close on the track. They are trying to make the CTR the fastest FWD around the Nurburg.

But I do agree. I think the RS will still beat it not only on the Nurburg but also the AWD is a massive advantage in terms of traction in Calgarys cold wet roads for daily driving.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Shlade
I don't care how much power it has it's still horrible looking

Yeah the current Civic is a styling mess. Adding a big spoiler will only make it look more disjointed than it already is and I simply won't buy one until they improve the interior from the minivan style they have been rolling with for almost a decade now.

[HiSpec]

More details... (http://jalopnik.com/the-new-civic-type-r-has-a-167-mph-top-speed-and-an-ext-1685169961)

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Wow 350mm rotors? Seems a little overkill unless this car is going to have a significant amount of power and weight.