Living in industrial areas

[pfis300]

What zones are we allowed to live in? Something like this would be cool to live in - given the office space on top could be made into a living area. It's zoned (I-G) or whatever for Industrial General - I'm just wondering if it's possible to get approval to live in such places or if it has to be a certain zoning.

http://www.cmsrealestateltd.com/property_listings/index.cfm?ProductID=169&do=detail

Example ^

[CapnCrunch]

It probably sounds like a great idea in your head, but how will you feel when a paint mixing factory opens up on one side of you, an oil recycler opens up on the other,and a 24 hour pork bi-product plant opens up across the street.

[NoMoreG35]

Why would you be not "allowed" to live there?

[jacky4566]

Group buy for the whole building?
Its like a beyond meet everyday!

[bjstare]

Just curious what you think would be cool about living there?

No neighbours, no nightlife, no yard, nearly deserted area outside the hours of 7-6 mon-fri... little vegetation... loud trucks...potentially awful traffic during any business hours/rush hour...

I can think of many negatives, and not many positives.

[n1zm0]

Originally posted by cjblair
Just curious what you think would be cool about living there?

No neighbours, no nightlife, no yard, nearly deserted area outside the hours of 7-6 mon-fri... little vegetation... loud trucks...potentially awful traffic during any business hours/rush hour...

I can think of many negatives, and not many positives.

http://rlv.zcache.com/real_men_live_off_the_grid_t_shirt-rbfe5920459ad4d189373d1a28204638c_vjfex_512.jpg

[lilmira]

You can set up a teleportation lab, bang some girl. While you are doing trial run with yourself, a fly gets into your pod..................that's one negative.

[speedog]

The issue if you're leasing the space is whether or not your lease would allow some one to live there 24/7 - most leases are written up to dis-allow such arrangements. After perusing the city's rules, I'd say that a resiidential unit in an area zoned I-G is a no-no - link (http://lub.calgary.ca/Part8/Division_2_Industrial_General_%28IG%29_District.htm). More info here (http://lub.calgary.ca/).

[jacky4566]

I see the appeal tho. Industrial style bachlor pad would be very cool.
In my young car minded opinion have a garage style living space would be great.

[speedog]

Originally posted by n1zm0
http://rlv.zcache.com/real_men_live_off_the_grid_t_shirt-rbfe5920459ad4d189373d1a28204638c_vjfex_512.jpg
Like this from another thread today???

[Ca_Silvia13]

Check those taxes :eek:

[TomcoPDR]

Those are industrial "condo" bays. The condo bylaws will most likely exclude residential related uses. Probably different if you owned a free standing property yourself and build some hotel style rooms. Not to say there aren't shop owners in condo bays already doing this secretly anyways; but the ones I know are kinda forced (ie divorce).

I see some O&G companies doing it (in AB, not Calgary) build their own 6 bay truck service building, or those OG ambulance medic companies, with 5-6 hotel style rooms above the office. Makes sense considering the amount of $$$ they'd save from booking blocks of hotel rooms.

[jwslam]

http://www.target-realty.com/index.php?option=com_joomanager&view=itemslist&catid=33&Itemid=646

[ercchry]

buy house on big lot, rent it out... build secondary suite over a detached garage, live in it... profit

[pfis300]

I understand the negatives.

But i work outta town 66% of the time. So I don't care for neighbourhood.

I just want a ballin ass garage and calgary blows horse dank for cost of real estate.

[ercchry]

Originally posted by pfis300
I understand the negatives.

But i work outta town 66% of the time. So I don't care for neighbourhood.

I just want a ballin ass garage and calgary blows horse dank for cost of real estate.

you can build a garage with a suite behind my house... if you front all the costs you can live in it for 10 years then it becomes mine... k thx bye

[TomcoPDR]

Originally posted by pfis300
I understand the negatives.

But i work outta town 66% of the time. So I don't care for neighbourhood.

I just want a ballin ass garage and calgary blows horse dank for cost of real estate.

You kinda missed out on these then. http://www.thedens.ca
Maybe wait for phase 2

[speedog]

Originally posted by jwslam
http://www.target-realty.com/index.php?option=com_joomanager&view=itemslist&catid=33&Itemid=646
Not in the know but are there different electricity costs when one has a 600V feed like one of the places listed at the link above? Is 600V an industrial feed?

[ercchry]

Originally posted by TomcoPDR


You kinda missed out on these then. http://www.thedens.ca
Maybe wait for phase 2

still not technically allowed to live in those....

[speedog]

Originally posted by pfis300
I understand the negatives.

But i work outta town 66% of the time. So I don't care for neighbourhood.

I just want a ballin ass garage and calgary blows horse dank for cost of real estate.
So move to Indus or Langdon or Delacour or Shepard.

[TomcoPDR]

Originally posted by ercchry


still not technically allowed to live in those....

Nope. Still under whatever condo bylaw they set.

Op best option if he wants to stay within calgary, with a kickass garage is probably ur deal. 40' by 30' garage, 1,200sqft upper living... Even at $100,000 to build and u let him live there for 10 years land lease. That's still only $10,000/year.

[ercchry]

Originally posted by TomcoPDR


Nope. Still under whatever condo bylaw they set.

Op best option if he wants to stay within calgary, with a kickass garage is probably ur deal. 40' by 30' garage, 1,200sqft upper living... Even at $100,000 to build and u let him live there for 10 years land lease. That's still only $10,000/year.

oh, he better be building something worth at least $250k :rofl:

[speedog]

Originally posted by TomcoPDR
Nope. Still under whatever condo bylaw they set.

Op best option if he wants to stay within calgary, with a kickass garage is probably ur deal. 40' by 30' garage, 1,200sqft upper living... Even at $100,000 to build and u let him live there for 10 years land lease. That's still only $10,000/year.
Yeah, but that means 10 years of no inside parking for ercchry (assuming ercchry has no front drive attached garage).

[ercchry]

Originally posted by speedog

Yeah, but that means 10 years of no inside parking for ercchry (assuming ercchry has no front drive attached garage).

meh, im already there... currently i have a turn of the century single garage that only has the bikes in it

[pfis300]

My budget is 500k.

[ercchry]

Originally posted by pfis300
My budget is 500k.

you can totally do it for that... rent out the main dwelling then build the garage, refinance it all... boom

or just get this

http://beta.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?PropertyId=13952463

[TomcoPDR]

Originally posted by pfis300
My budget is 500k.

Then why not find a 1,000sqft bungalow with developed basement in older communities ($375,000) Then build a big garage??


Or are u looking for 1,500sqft plus worth of garage space?

[pfis300]

My budget may be 500k, but I, looking at hopefully spending 350-425.

This house would be ideal if the garage was bigger/taller.

http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=13948683&PidKey=6058893

I want a big double with enough room for pulling engines and having a hoist on one side, or a triple with the single side higher than the double side.

[ercchry]

Originally posted by pfis300
My budget may be 500k, but I, looking at hopefully spending 350-425.

This house would be ideal if the garage was bigger/taller.

http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=13948683&PidKey=6058893

I want a big double with enough room for pulling engines and having a hoist on one side, or a triple with the single side higher than the double side.

so, here is the thing with garages... they cap out at 75sqm or the size of your dwelling's foot print, whichever is smaller for detached. then you also cant cover up more than 45% of the lot with buildings or decks...

so say you can find a livable house for ~$350k on a 50ft wide lot, its rare, but it happens in some older semi inner city neighborhoods. search for bungalows... or two stories that have at least the footprint of the largest garage you can put up.

now that you have the house... rent it out. 80% of that rent can be added to your income (which you would need for this next step)

now build a garage with a suite on top... it would be about 800sqft, fully customized to your needs and wants and mean while you have a nice sized garage under it. refinance the whole property and then look at the numbers. i bet you would be paying the equivalent mortgage as you would in a $300k house

[speedog]

Posted this up for Cos in another thread about a month ago...

Probably a 80+ year old guy living in this 1956 or so bungalow on a big corner lot - easily enough room for 4 of 5 car garage at the back of this lot that ranges from 130-155 deep by 65 wide, 75 feet from the rear of the house to the alley, even with a huge new garage with an over-suite you wouldn't tough 45% lot coverage. Current assessment is $455,000 but could probably had be for less because it needs work. Even with a 4 or 5 car rear drive or rear/side drive garage, you'd still have room for a very nice sized back yard as the current home is pushed forward on this deep lot and if you chose to renovate, there is room to the rear or front to expand. East facing with mature trees and a fairly sunny back yard, lot slopes W-E but is landscaped so most of yard is flat.

Public K-6 is a short bus ride away in Cambrian Heights, public 7-9 and 10-12 both within 5-6 blocks as well as outdoor public swimming pool, community center and outdoor rink. Make an offer - link (http://goo.gl/maps/p9AjB).

So much potential for this lot.

[ercchry]

or another option.... you'd be so close to derek and jimbo! ... double deep single garage, these things were ~$250k when they went up though

http://beta.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?PropertyId=13948727

[schurchill39]

Originally posted by ercchry


so, here is the thing with garages... they cap out at 75sqm or the size of your dwelling's foot print, whichever is smaller for detached. then you also cant cover up more than 45% of the lot with buildings or decks...


Close yes, but its not 45% everywhere. Its based off of what your lot is zoned at. In the city of Calgary brochure it says 45% but the bylaws change depending on your community and zoning. My lot can be either 60 or 65% (I can't remember off the top of my head). However, that being said you are still limited by the 75m² even if that % yields a higher footprint.

[ercchry]

do you know what zoning allows for the larger foot print percentage? i am RC-2

[speedog]

Originally posted by ercchry
do you know what zoning allows for the larger foot print percentage? i am RC-2
From CoC bylaw 1P2007 on RC-2 zoning...
432 The maximum parcel coverage is 45.0 per cent of the area of a parcel, which must be reduced by 21.0 square metres for each required motor vehicle parking stall that is not provided in a private garage.
Link (http://lub.calgary.ca/Part5/Division5_Residential_Contextual_One_Two_Dwelling_%28R-C2%29_District.htm) to quoted bylaw.

[speedog]

Better yet, search for "parcel coverage" at this link (http://lub.calgary.ca/).

[ercchry]

Originally posted by speedog

From CoC bylaw 1P2007 on RC-2 zoning...
Link (http://lub.calgary.ca/Part5/Division5_Residential_Contextual_One_Two_Dwelling_%28R-C2%29_District.htm) to quoted bylaw.

awe... cant do it anyway... 13m minimum width for a detached garage secondary suite :(