2015 Subaru WRX STI Officially Breaks Cover

[kenny]

http://www.beyond.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015-subaru-wrx-sti-naias-2014-7.jpg

A one-inch longer wheelbase on the new WRX STI helps provide a roomier cabin in the 2015 model. The windshield is more raked than before, with the A-pillar pulled forward nearly eight inches at the base for better forward visibility, aided by a lower dashboard and narrower A-pillars. Rear seat legroom is increased by nearly two inches, and trunk capacity is now 12 cu. ft., up from 11.3 cu. ft. in the previous WRX STI. Subaru claims that with the completely re-tuned high performance suspension–which reduces body roll by 16%, the 2015 WRX STI is best handling, best performing WRX STI. Ever.

http://www.beyond.ca/2015-subaru-wrx-sti-officially-breaks-cover/32658.html

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Still looks like ass and has a EJ257 it looks like, such dissapoint.

[RickDaTuner]

Why such small wheels?

[Dumbass17]

so it's a honda civic with a scoop, rims and a wing? :barf:

[SkiBum5.0]

Corolla with a wing - the result of no real competition anymore

[kenny]

This reminds me of the Subaru sales guy that once said to me "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" when I mentioned the STI is falling behind.

Looks like more of the same for another generation. Curious to see how well it does with so many more all wheel drive options (and dual clutch transmissions) out there.

[KRyn]

Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo
Still looks like ass and has a EJ257 it looks like, such dissapoint.

This is the ugliest offering of the STI to date hands down. I also concur, keeping the EJ257 for the 2015 MY is a huge disappointment. They need to get a new power plant and a interior / exterior refresh ASAP to breath some life into this vehicle.

[benyl]

It will sell. There are enough fanboys out there. Plus, you can't argue with retained value with Subaru that I would argue is the highest or near highest in the industry.

[ArjayAquino]

well it looks like the WRX will outsell the STi seeing that it has a newer engine

[MalibuStacy]

I remember when Subaru made cool cars... those were the days

[Mibz]

Originally posted by MalibuStacy
I remember when Subaru made cool cars... those were the days http://i.imgur.com/n02LZvL.gif

[heavyD]

Move along, nothing to see here. Same old EJ257, same old drivetrain, same old AWD system as two generations ago. Only new things being the chassis, exterior/interior and crappy brake based torque vectoring.

The WRX is actually a far more compelling car as it has the better engine, two transmission options, and the same brake vectoring so the STI is kind of pointless unless you want the wing and badge.

[Sugarphreak]

...

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
It's a Kia with a wing :dunno:

http://pics.bbzzdd.com/users/mercenaryforhire/riosti_lg.jpg

[ArjayAquino]

Originally posted by heavyD
Move along, nothing to see here. Same old EJ257, same old drivetrain, same old AWD system as two generations ago. Only new things being the chassis, exterior/interior and crappy brake based torque vectoring.

The WRX is actually a far more compelling car as it has the better engine, two transmission options, and the same brake vectoring so the STI is kind of pointless unless you want the wing and badge.

I'm wondering why they even bothered with a 2015 STi, really pointless. They should have just skipped this year or the next until they have a new engine or something that makes it actually better than the WRX.

[schocker]

Do kind of want...
Always the same power though forever until they change that engine :(

[Mibz]

Originally posted by heavyD
Only new things being ... interior Ehhhh, the interior is damn close to the existing one. This really is a mid-generation refresh more than a new generation itself.

[jacky4566]

Sooo.
WRX makes 270hp on the new 2.0L
STI makes 300hp on the old 2.5L

And we pay 20k more for less fuel economy?

Looks like WRX is much better value this year.

[dimi]

Lame. WRX>Sti

[GTS Jeff]

Can't say I'm surprised at all. It's very fitting that the flagship Subaru is still laggy and a pig on gas.

HeavyD what is this brake biased torque vectoring? That just sounds like any usual stability control system to me.

[dimi]

Well instead of having an active rear diff (evo/gtr) that can apply power to the rear outside wheel in a corner, braking is applied to the front inside wheel to "sort of" achieve the same objective.

That's not torque vectoring in my opinion.

[Mibz]

Originally posted by dimi
That's not torque vectoring in my opinion. Agreed, and I hate it.

[Ca_Silvia13]

Originally posted by SkiBum5.0
Corolla with a wing - the result of no real competition anymore

I never thought about this till now. I think you're right, nothing competes with this anymore. But just be happy its not a fucking hybrid

[heavyD]

Originally posted by dimi
Well instead of having an active rear diff (evo/gtr) that can apply power to the rear outside wheel in a corner, braking is applied to the front inside wheel to "sort of" achieve the same objective.

That's not torque vectoring in my opinion.

Ford and VW have been using it on FWD cars and I don't have an issue with them calling it torque vectoring as long as people understand there's the brake method and then the more expensive differential based.

If you go back to the 2015 WRX unveiling they talked about how improved the FA20 is over the outgoing EJ257 as a big selling point and the same guy in this 2015 STI unveiling is trying to prop up the "legendary 2.5L, 305Hp boxer engine".:rofl:

[dimi]

Originally posted by heavyD
I don't have an issue with them calling it torque vectoring as long as people understand there's the brake method and then the more expensive differential based.


Well the term torque vectoring to me implies that torque is being applied, not braking... I know it works in applications such as the ST, but its not torque vectoring, its traction control as previously mentioned.

With that said, the wrx is looking to be a pretty decent value proposition.

[Kloubek]

I know there are big fans of Subaru out there. But honestly, they haven't made a car I'd truly want since the SVX. THAT was a cool car for the time. Since then the cars they make just look plain gimpy, their interiors suck and the paint quality is the shits. Yes, they offer good performance at a decent price, but so do other manufacturers.

IMO, it would do them good to change their design focus. Heck, Volvo managed to do it with their lineup and they used to be literal boxes.

[DeleriousZ]

Feels like it's a lot closer to the old gc8 styling than the recent cars.

http://www.beyond.ca/wp-content/uploads/2015-subaru-wrx-sti-naias-2014-7.jpg

http://www.captainash.com/photos/1995_subaru_impreza_sti_type-ra.jpg

[heavyD]

Originally posted by dimi


Well the term torque vectoring to me implies that torque is being applied, not braking... I know it works in applications such as the ST, but its not torque vectoring, its traction control as previously mentioned.

With that said, the wrx is looking to be a pretty decent value proposition.

Torque vectoring in it's simplest terms is the ability to "vary" power to each wheel not "adding" anywhere and when you use the brakes to stroke the inner wheel into a corner you are varying power from one corner to the other. Not sure why you are arguing with me as I didn't didn't determine this as automakers have been calling all sorts of different variations of brake and differential based yaw control as torque vectoring for years.

[bart]

Originally posted by RickDaTuner
Why such small wheels?

so it looks exactly like an evo down to the wheels lol

[sumguy777]

Originally posted by DeleriousZ
Feels like it's a lot closer to the old gc8 styling than the recent cars.

You can call me crazy but i honestly dont see a resemblance at all. :confused:

[Disoblige]

Totally not feeling this car :(

[hampstor]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eSbNm4SWjaA/UfUcKWeEboI/AAAAAAAAN-s/bIccysadYXM/s1600/nope-badger.gif

What a let down.

So far from the concept that was unveiled
No hatch option
Same motor, no change to HP
6M only

Remember when the WRX and STI were going to drop the Impreza name because it was going to get a dedicated platform? lol.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/subaru-wrx-and-sti-to-get-dedicated-platform-for-2013-drop-%E2%80%9Cimpreza%E2%80%9D-from-their-names/

[buh_buh]

When has a STi ever been a looker?
This is the status quo.

[Mibz]

Originally posted by buh_buh
When has a STi ever been a looker?
This is the status quo. Yeah, usually takes a year or two of seeing them on the road before I say "You know what? It's growing on me". I'm trying not to be too harsh on the exterior until they've been out for a bit.

That said, fuck the interior, fuck the engine, fuck the cost.

[jsn]

Every time Subaru produces a new impreza variation, people bitch and moan about how ugly it is. It always grows on people and it still sells. I think this is the best looking new STI in a while. The interior is also much improved over the outgoing one, which isn't saying that much. That being said, cosmetics seems to be the only thing going for it.

It's a shame they stuck with the old aging engine instead of modifying the new FA20 on the wrx. Also disappointed that they stuck with 300hp but I guess it was just wishful thinking. The STI and EVO has hovered around the 300hp mark for over a decade now and it doesn't look like they plan on changing anytime soon. Even though I like the traditional 6MT, they really need to start offering dual clutch variations like the EVO. There's really not much reason to buy the STI over the WRX at this moment.

Hopefully they'll start to feel abit of pressure now that the German manufacturers are releasing lower priced cars however, I still doubt we'll see an increase in power any time soon.

[max_boost]

Subaru is amazing. Its like they never change a damn thing and their cars still keep selling. AWD FTW?! :nut: :rofl: :rofl:

[faiz999]

Originally posted by max_boost
Subaru is amazing. Its like they never change a damn thing and their cars still keep selling. AWD FTW?! :nut: :rofl: :rofl:

they are like the apple of the automotive world

[CanmoreOrLess]

Without a hatch, this car is dead to me. As for the cosmetic changes, I'd have to see one in person, having seen a photo of a blue version it did look better. At least they kept the hood scoop, happy Yoshi went to the mat over it.

[theken]

lancer/civic/corolla rolled into one shitty package

[benyl]

Originally posted by CanmoreOrLess
Without a hatch, this car is dead to me. As for the cosmetic changes, I'd have to see one in person, having seen a photo of a blue version it did look better. At least they kept the hood scoop, happy Yoshi went to the mat over it.
Really? I would rather it lose the scoop, gain an FMIC so you don't have to deal with all the heat soak.

[ArjayAquino]

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/1017148_10202307513880778_616012116_n.jpg

[rMBA13]

The only car worth considering at the moment by Subaru is the BRZ

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by benyl

Really? I would rather it lose the scoop, gain an FMIC so you don't have to deal with all the heat soak.

+1

[klumsy_tumbler]

Originally posted by CanmoreOrLess
Without a hatch, this car is dead to me.

:werd:

[heavyD]

Originally posted by benyl

Really? I would rather it lose the scoop, gain an FMIC so you don't have to deal with all the heat soak.

Heat soak isn't an issue with the stock turbocharger.

[Mibz]

Originally posted by heavyD
Heat soak isn't an issue with the stock turbocharger. Can't tell if intentional zing.

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by rMBA13
The only car worth considering at the moment by Subaru is the BRZ

:werd:

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Mibz
Can't tell if intentional zing.

Not sure what you mean. As far as the STI goes it's not even worth upgrading to a larger TMIC let alone a FMIC with the stock turbocharger.

[Mibz]

I thought you might be insinuating that the stock turbo isn't adequately sized. I guess not.

[n1zm0]

CDN Pricing:


The entry model of the 2015 Subaru WRX with manual transmission is now available at $29,995, while the 2015 Subaru WRX STI now starts at $37,995. Both will now be available in three trim levels.

http://www.canadianmanufacturing.com/purchasing-and-procurement/canadian-automotive-review/2015-subaru-wrx-pricing-unveiled-132713

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Hopefully that pricing is true, seems like a good price.

[KRyn]

Originally posted by n1zm0
CDN Pricing:



http://www.canadianmanufacturing.com/purchasing-and-procurement/canadian-automotive-review/2015-subaru-wrx-pricing-unveiled-132713


Damn that's cheap. I am likely looking to replace my current vehicle in the coming months. It's just a shame the new WRX and STI are so hideous looking. :barf:

[Aleks]

That's the same pricing for the STI as it is currently.

WRX price seems lower until you realize they created a 3rd trim level whereas there are 2 now.

Either way not bad considering CND$ decline.

[gpomp]

WRX 6MT: $29,995
WRX CVT: $32,495

WRX Sport 6MT: $32,495
WRX Sport CVT: $33,795

WRX Sport-Tech 6MT: $35,495
WRX Sport-Tech CVT: $36,795


Sport Package: Available for WRX
Low-profile rear spoiler
LED low-beam automatic off/on headlights, multi-reflector halogen
high beams
Multi-reflector halogen fog lights
Power-tilting and sliding glass sunroof
8-way power driver’s seat

Sport-tech Package: Available for WRX
Proximity key with push-button start
Voice activated, in-dash GPS navigation system with 6.1-inch high-resolution
touch screen, AM/FM/CD/MP3/WMA/DivX®, WMV, MP4, SMS text messaging
capability, Aha radio, XM® NAVTraffic (subscription required), 3.5mm auxiliary
jack, USB, Bluetooth® mobile phone connectivity with voice activation and
Bluetooth® streaming audio, SiriusXM® Satellite Radio installed
(free 3-month trial subscription included)
Harman Kardon 440-Watt amplifier
Harman Kardon premium speaker system (9 speakers, including subwoofer)
Leather seating surfaces

[schocker]

So now they have three trims like the US does. Base/Premium/Limited. That makes more sense as lots of people could probably go without fogs/sunroof.

[Sorath]

Am i the only one that thinks this looks decent? :dunno:

way better than when the GE came out imo....

[A790]

Originally posted by Sorath
Am i the only one that thinks this looks decent? :dunno:

way better than when the GE came out imo....
No I kind of like it too.

[jacky4566]

gpomp is that USD or CAD?

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by jacky4566
gpomp is that USD or CAD?

Should be CAD, I saw the release on the Subaru Canada website.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by jacky4566
gpomp is that USD or CAD?

That's def Canadian. They would sell 0 WRXs in USA at those prices.

[HiSpec]

Dang... the base is $2500 less than current generation of WRX-base.

[dimi]

Base WRX looks like an awesome deal. 6MT, the new twin-scroll DI turbo engine, even the fake torque vectoring. That's great value for money.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Aleks
That's the same pricing for the STI as it is currently.

WRX price seems lower until you realize they created a 3rd trim level whereas there are 2 now.

Either way not bad considering CND$ decline.

I wasn't aware there is currently a $45k STI? The 2015 Sport Tech package is $44,995.:eek:

[googe]

2005 was the last good STI.

[benyl]

Originally posted by googe
2005 was the last good STI.

I had one of those. Really enjoyed it.

[pf0sh0]

Damn, that pricing doesn't seem too bad for what you get. I actually don't mind them... can't wait to see them in person

[KRyn]

After doing some research the FA20DIT may not be a mod / tune friendly engine. This information is all based on hearsay more than anything but I wouldn't consider purchasing one until tuning companies have had a chance to play with them.

[dimi]

The Japanese Levorg has the exact same engine in a 300hp/300ftlb tune, so I'm sure a bit more than that is easily doable.

[z2two]

Originally posted by rMBA13
The only car worth considering at the moment by Subaru is the BRZ

How? I'm terms of overall performance and practicality. The WRX is a much better choice if you're looking to spend about the same.

[gpomp]

Originally posted by z2two


How? I'm terms of overall performance and practicality. The WRX is a much better choice if you're looking to spend about the same. Don't feed the troll.

This new WRX looks like the real deal, a lot of car for $30k. The early reviews are all positive but I'd like to see some more comparison tests with other cars.

[jacky4566]

Originally posted by KRyn
After doing some research the FA20DIT may not be a mod / tune friendly engine. This information is all based on hearsay more than anything but I wouldn't consider purchasing one until tuning companies have had a chance to play with them.

Id agree. Why else wouldnt they throw it into the STI?
They couldnt get the numbers they wanted out of the plateform. It might be more effiecient but that Direct Injection is limiting the high end.

[dimi]

Originally posted by jacky4566


Id agree. Why else wouldnt they throw it into the STI?
They couldnt get the numbers they wanted out of the plateform. It might be more effiecient but that Direct Injection is limiting the high end.

Why?

Cause there's enough suckers that'll buy the thing with the 10 year old 257...

[benyl]

Originally posted by jacky4566


Id agree. Why else wouldnt they throw it into the STI?
They couldnt get the numbers they wanted out of the plateform. It might be more effiecient but that Direct Injection is limiting the high end.

That makes no sense. AMG can get 355 HP out of a 2L direct injected turbo motor. Surely Subaru can get 300.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by benyl


That makes no sense. AMG can get 355 HP out of a 2L direct injected turbo motor. Surely Subaru can get 300.

AMG's 2.0 is build up with forged internals, nano-slide coatings, dual intercoolers, etc and costs a pretty penny to make. Subaru would have to price the STI over $50k if they sunk that much money into the engine and nobody would buy it.

[benyl]

Fine, Subaru has made many 2L non DI motors in the past that were near 280hp. The extra compression you can run with DI should allow for at least 300. Forged or not.

[Redlined_8000]

Originally posted by heavyD


AMG's 2.0 is build up with forged internals, nano-slide coatings, dual intercoolers, etc and costs a pretty penny to make. Subaru would have to price the STI over $50k if they sunk that much money into the engine and nobody would buy it.

I think it is possible for subaru to make a 300hp 2.0L happen no problem. The pricing over 50k might be true for Canada for a well equipped STI but in the USA I highly doubt it. Also the CLA45 does not have "dual intercoolers" It has a single water to air unit. And the rods are not forged on that engine only pistons and crank are forged.

But yes I do think Subaru can make that engine happen for not much more money than the old generation STI

[dimi]

They already have.


Originally posted by dimi
The Japanese Levorg has the exact same engine in a 300hp/300ftlb tune

http://blog.caranddriver.com/subarus-levorg-prototype-is-the-2015-wrx-wagon-of-your-dreams-2013-tokyo-auto-show/

[Redlined_8000]

Originally posted by dimi
They already have.



http://blog.caranddriver.com/subarus-levorg-prototype-is-the-2015-wrx-wagon-of-your-dreams-2013-tokyo-auto-show/

Yup there you go.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by heavyD


I wasn't aware there is currently a $45k STI? The 2015 Sport Tech package is $44,995.:eek:

I was looking at base STI price. It's virtually the same as it is now.

It would be hard to choose a 45k STI over a 44K S3 for me.

[gpomp]

Originally posted by Aleks

It would be hard to choose a 45k STI over a 44K S3 for me. I would get a Mustang V6 over both. $23k for 305 hp :burnout:

[Mibz]

Originally posted by Aleks
It would be hard to choose a 45k STI over a 44K S3 for me. S3 pricing still isn't confirmed so your decision may be harder than you think :P

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Redlined_8000


I think it is possible for subaru to make a 300hp 2.0L happen no problem. The pricing over 50k might be true for Canada for a well equipped STI but in the USA I highly doubt it. Also the CLA45 does not have "dual intercoolers" It has a single water to air unit. And the rods are not forged on that engine only pistons and crank are forged.

But yes I do think Subaru can make that engine happen for not much more money than the old generation STI

You are right on the intercooler part as it's the engine that has twin cooling but still an added expense. Bottom line is that there probably it's overbuilt and higher tech compared to Subaru or even the more robust Mitsubishi turbocharged engines. I think Subaru will eventually come out with a FA25DET but it's not going to be more than 310 HP. Subaru has issues building reliable turbocharged engines as it is and they are always going to build their engines to a price point.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Aleks

It would be hard to choose a 45k STI over a 44K S3 for me.

Only a Subaru fanboy with lots of disposable income would choose a 45k STI over 44k S3 especially an STI with the ultra-fragile EJ257.

[Darell_n]

Serious question, are people blowing up STI engines that are 100% unmolested? It seems like they are like Mustang GTs and always f*cked with.

[bart]

Originally posted by gpomp
I would get a Mustang V6 over both. $23k for 305 hp :burnout:

if you like having a 180kph top speed do it hahahahaha

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by bart


if you like having a 180kph top speed do it hahahahaha

None of the hand-wringers on Beyond speed so your argument is invalid.

[Canmorite]

Originally posted by heavyD


Only a Subaru fanboy with lots of disposable income would choose a 45k STI over 44k S3 especially an STI with the ultra-fragile EJ257.

As a Subaru fanboy, I have to agree. No big changes in this 2015 model, not really impressed. Same power, same drivetrain, etc etc...get an earlier used model and save $15K.

[jsn]

Originally posted by heavyD


Only a Subaru fanboy with lots of disposable income would choose a 45k STI over 44k S3 especially an STI with the ultra-fragile EJ257.

I agree. I've always been a subaru fan, but it's been harder and harder to defend the STI, when it hasn't had an increase in power for over 10 years, and it's using an older engine than the new wrx.

[zieg]

give it 2 years and we will see a new engine in it. And I'd take a subaru over an audi any day, but then I do all my own mechanical work so I like to make life easy for myself.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by Mibz
S3 pricing still isn't confirmed so your decision may be harder than you think :P

They released the pricing last year. $44k progresiv and $47.5 technik. They are keeping their announced A3 pricing. I know they pulled their S3 page but why would they change S3 price and keep A3 price the same?


Originally posted by ZiG-87
give it 2 years and we will see a new engine in it. And I'd take a subaru over an audi any day, but then I do all my own mechanical work so I like to make life easy for myself.

Why would you need to do mechanical work on a brand new car? :dunno:

[max_boost]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE


None of the hand-wringers on Beyond speed so your argument is invalid. lol ya haha but they all want fast cars. I guess they slow down at 110kms/h looooool

[Mibz]

Originally posted by Aleks
They released the pricing last year. $44k progresiv and $47.5 technik. They are keeping their announced A3 pricing. I know they pulled their S3 page but why would they change S3 price and keep A3 price the same? They just released the USA dealer brochure and pricing (and power) are still TBD on it. I'm not saying it will definitely be different, I'm saying that it's not confirmed and claiming otherwise is poor form. Poor form that a handful of Beyonders seem keen to maintain.

[gpomp]

http://www.autos.ca/general-news/audi-canada-announces-44000-starting-price-new-s3/

[zieg]

Originally posted by Aleks



Why would you need to do mechanical work on a brand new car? :dunno:

I keep my cars longer than the warranty period? :dunno:

[Aleks]

Originally posted by Mibz
They just released the USA dealer brochure and pricing (and power) are still TBD on it. I'm not saying it will definitely be different, I'm saying that it's not confirmed and claiming otherwise is poor form. Poor form that a handful of Beyonders seem keen to maintain.

Official press releases from Audi Canada are confirmation in my mind.

[Mibz]

Originally posted by gpomp
http://www.autos.ca/general-news/audi-canada-announces-44000-starting-price-new-s3/ Hadn't seen that, haha, that's good enough for me as well.

Can't wait to see the Golf R pricing now.

[Redlined_8000]

Great price for the S3! Definate contender to the Subaru STI and Evo.... Lol the Evo MR costs 8k more! Crazy.

[n1zm0]

I guess the WRX thread is dead so i'll post it here. Besides the marketing, you get to see the WRX at least flex itself a little.



Last October, rallycross driver and pro-skateboarder Bucky Lasek threw down a challenge for Subaru WRX, STI and BRZ owners: he asked them to submit videos showing off their driving chops. Subies responded in droves, proving they can drift, roll, donut, and even drive through fire like pros.

Only five contestants were deemed worthy of joining Bucky for a top secret event at an undisclosed location: Troy "the Killer" Miller, Tim "No Fear" Near, Will "the Widow-Maker" Lucas, "High Speed" Chase Wilson, and "Bobbing" Bobby Whitely. Subaru and DoubleURXXX Productions teamed up to give the winners an epic experience with the 2015 Subaru WRX. It involved building a WRX from parts and plenty of open blacktop.

http://gizmodo.com/watch-five-subies-rallycross-the-2015-wrx-1531922283


Skip to 9:40 for the runs:
msPDas7OKSc

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

In case anyone is interested Centaur Subaru will have 15' WRXs and STis on March 3rd they tell me.

[gpomp]

Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo
In case anyone is interested Centaur Subaru will have 15' WRXs and STis on March 3rd they tell me. And they'll probably want $5k deposit for a test drive. :rolleyes: