Possible new Flames arena

[duaner]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed elsewhere but I just saw this on the CTV site: possible new Flames arena in development.

http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/video-segment-could-hint-at-arena-plans-1.1662902

[ercchry]

thats one ugly rendering...

[duaner]

Originally posted by ercchry
thats one ugly rendering...
lol...sure is. Hopefully it was just a quickie, if it's legit.

[InRich]

Why the fuck do they need a new fucking arena? they FUCKING SUCK! one of the worst teams in the league, and on top of that they have one of the biggest fan bases cheering for them, even though their pure garbage.

Why is the government wasting my money on stupid shit like this? OMG when I hear about things like this I get right pissed off. For them to even spend money on renderings pisses me off..

Theres absolutely nothing wrong with their current arena, and its more then what the flames deserve. I pay so much taxes, it makes me sick. I get really upset when I see propersitions like this that waste my hard earned money.

Money doesnt grow on tree's FFS.

[BigDL]

http://watch.discoverychannel.ca/#clip1064990

4 min mark

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by BigDL
http://watch.discoverychannel.ca/#clip1064990

4 min mark

That's pretty sweet actually.

[Mibz]

Originally posted by InRich
propersitions http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/MaterCars.jpg

[VWEvo]

wow, that would be pretty cool

[speedog]

Originally posted by InRich
Why the fuck do they need a new fucking arena? they FUCKING SUCK! one of the worst teams in the league, and on top of that they have one of the biggest fan bases cheering for them, even though their pure garbage.

Why is the government wasting my money on stupid shit like this? OMG when I hear about things like this I get right pissed off. For them to even spend money on renderings pisses me off..

Theres absolutely nothing wrong with their current arena, and its more then what the flames deserve. I pay so much taxes, it makes me sick. I get really upset when I see propersitions like this that waste my hard earned money.

Money doesnt grow on tree's FFS.
So a big question for you - why are you assuming that there will be any significant tax monies going into any new arena or stadium?

Nenshi been quite clear that he does not want to see an Edmonton type of arrangement down here and a lot of information is out there that suggests that the Calgary Flames group wishes to have their own arena on their own land so as to get away from the Stampede (Flames could make revenue off of parking?).

[duaner]

Originally posted by BigDL
http://watch.discoverychannel.ca/#clip1064990

4 min mark
Nice!

[duaner]

Originally posted by speedog

So a big question for you - why are you assuming that there will be any significant tax monies going into any new arena or stadium?

Nenshi been quite clear that he does not want to see an Edmonton type of arrangement down here and a lot of information is out there that suggests that the Calgary Flames group wishes to have their own arena on their own land so as to get away from the Stampede (Flames could make revenue off of parking?).
Any idea on where this land might be? Far off the LRT line and suddenly more people are driving.

[kvg]

I'm all for it, IF it's privately funded.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by InRich
Why the fuck do they need a new fucking arena? they FUCKING SUCK! one of the worst teams in the league, and on top of that they have one of the biggest fan bases cheering for them, even though their pure garbage.


Tax nonsense aside...

You just answered your own question. They have one of the biggest fan bases, who are willing to pay damn near anything to watch they're team suck. So why not build a new stadium, and charge even more when people are willing to pay?

Add onto that making it more acoustic would draw even more music artist names.

[AudiPWR]

Originally posted by InRich
Why the fuck do they need a new fucking arena? they FUCKING SUCK! one of the worst teams in the league, and on top of that they have one of the biggest fan bases cheering for them, even though their pure garbage.

Why is the government wasting my money on stupid shit like this? OMG when I hear about things like this I get right pissed off. For them to even spend money on renderings pisses me off..

Theres absolutely nothing wrong with their current arena, and its more then what the flames deserve. I pay so much taxes, it makes me sick. I get really upset when I see propersitions like this that waste my hard earned money.

Money doesnt grow on tree's FFS.

Hey, entitled dickhead. Do you know how many jobs this would create and how much money this creates for contractors in the city?

I sure don't mind paying my taxes if my revenue is being generated from a government funded project.

[supe]

Originally posted by InRich
Why the fuck do they need a new fucking arena? they FUCKING SUCK! one of the worst teams in the league, and on top of that they have one of the biggest fan bases cheering for them, even though their pure garbage.

Why is the government wasting my money on stupid shit like this? OMG when I hear about things like this I get right pissed off. For them to even spend money on renderings pisses me off..

Theres absolutely nothing wrong with their current arena, and its more then what the flames deserve. I pay so much taxes, it makes me sick. I get really upset when I see propersitions like this that waste my hard earned money.

Money doesnt grow on tree's FFS.

How good they are has nothing to do with it. Further talent will come in waves, it might take half a decade but it will take that long to build an arena anyway.

Why does the government spend money on this stuff? Perhaps because it spurs business?

I also can't believe you're saying there is nothing wrong with the dome. Its one of the oldest hockey arena's left and its a shit hole compared to other arena's. Many music artists also pass on calgary because the dome isn't accommodating.

I'm all for a new dome. I vote to spend InRich's tax money.

[speedog]

Originally posted by duaner
Any idea on where this land might be? Far off the LRT line and suddenly more people are driving.
West village where Greyhound's terminal is right now and where Jack Carter is. Have also heard that it might be south of the rail road tracks and north of the Stampede grounds.

As far as what an arena (and the Flames organization) brings into the community, there's a lot going behind the scenes that most people are not even vaguely aware of. The Flames organization supports many non-profit organizations through a variety of ways - our non-profit wrestling organization is just one of many non-profits that realizes incomes from activities that we perform on behalf of the Flames organization, incomes that are not controlled by the AGLC (Alberta Gaming and Liquor Commission - IE: casinos). Senior High School football in Calgary - wouldn't be playing a good many of it's games at the Shouldice fields if it weren't for the Flames organization (Stampeders). I know of at least one senior high school band non-profit organization that relies heavily upon activities they do for the Flames organization to support the activities that their band does/participates in.

Do some digging and you'll discover how much Winnipeg not having a NHL team hurt non-profit organizations and minor sports in that city before the NHL came back to town there.

[rage2]

Originally posted by duaner
Any idea on where this land might be? Far off the LRT line and suddenly more people are driving.
I'll quote my post on CP.


Originally posted by rage2
I've been to a couple of season ticket holder events, and someone always asks about the new stadium. The last 2, KK said the location has already been decided, but won't release the details until the time is right. Doubt he'll contribute more by posting here.

The only reason I can think of for withholding info is to ensure that land can be purchased at FMV. Remember the west LRT fiasco in acquiring land after everything was announced and construction started, how much that increased the budget. But that's strictly my opinion.

[max_boost]

What would they do with the Dome? Demo it?! Keep it?

[heavyD]

Originally posted by rage2

I'll quote my post on CP.



1st time I've ever seen you on CP.

[btimbit]

Originally posted by max_boost
What would they do with the Dome? Demo it?! Keep it?

Demo it. Be too expensive to operate without regular nhl games

[sexualbanana]

I would like to see a new arena in Calgary. The problem is always the cost of new stadiums in terms of both private and public money being used because stadiums and arenas are no longer just places where a sports team plays, they have to include so much more that it becomes an entertainment complex all on it's own. We're long past the days when a city could simply build a stadium that would seat 18-20,000 people. They have to include restaurants, large jumbo-trons, suites, etc which has caused the cost of building them to balloon drastically.

As the NHL lockout showed, there are a lot of businesses that rely heavily on the Flames (or the resident sports team, whatever that may be), so I don't see public money being a bad thing. I just want that money to be used wisely, which isn't always the case. My beef with putting the new arena on the west end by the Greyhound station is that, from an infrastructure and roads standpoint, that area needs a MAJOR revamping. Crowchild is terrible in that area now, and I can only imagine how bad it's going to be when we throw an extra stadiums worth of traffic in there.

There's a lot of private money in the city that makes me think the funding for this could come from there. Fortunately the Flames have been around long enough, and have been recently successful enough, that there's enough of a connection with the city to effectively source that money.

[duaner]

Originally posted by rage2

I'll quote my post on CP.

I've been to a couple of season ticket holder events, and someone always asks about the new stadium. The last 2, KK said the location has already been decided, but won't release the details until the time is right. Doubt he'll contribute more by posting here.

The only reason I can think of for withholding info is to ensure that land can be purchased at FMV. Remember the west LRT fiasco in acquiring land after everything was announced and construction started, how much that increased the budget. But that's strictly my opinion.

In keeping with that, the article has already been updated with a response from Ken King:

"According to Flames' brass, a video depicting a high-tech new arena for the team doesn't mean anything about any progress towards a new home for the franchise.
....
Flames president Ken King says it's no secret the franchise is interested in a new arena design, but the video released doesn't mean that plans are imminent."

[speedog]

Originally posted by max_boost
What would they do with the Dome? Demo it?! Keep it?
Don't believe the Flames organization would care as it's not their building, they're only a lessee at the Saddledome - the city of Calgary would determine the Saddledome's future as they own the Saddledome.

[ercchry]

what would the difference be for the dome though? isnt the flame's "rent" all donated to minor sports anyways?

[speedog]

So this whole arena replacement (and McMahon replacement) issue is being bashed around on the Calgary Skyscraper forums - consensus over there is both facility's replacements should either be in the west village or south of the east village south of the CPR tracks and north of the Stampede. Some have suggested Firepark as well but most over there seem to want any new sporting facilities downtown or on the fringes of downtown so as to take advantage of existing transit and road infrastructures as well as the host of accommodation and eating establishments in the downtown core/belt line.

[speedog]

Originally posted by ercchry
what would the difference be for the dome though? isnt the flame's "rent" all donated to minor sports anyways?
After perusing the 2010-11 Saddledome Foundation annual report (link (http://www.scotiabanksaddledome.com/site/saddledome/files/SADDLEDOME_REPORT_2010-11.pdf)), it would appear that maintenance/upkeep of the Saddledome is done through a "Saddledome Foundation Public Facility Fee program" and allrents paid go to three primary recipients, Winsport Canada, Hockey Canada, and Parks Foundation Calgary.

So I guess the question is where the monies come from for this "Saddledome Foundation Public Facility Fee program" - is this part of some hidden ticket surcharge or is it an additional fee that user groups pay to use the Saddledome. By what searching I've done, this is a ticket surcharge and if there is a significant reduction in the number of events being held in the Saddledome, then the income being realized from this "fee" would no doubt seriously affect the bottom line at the Saddledome when it comes to maintaining that facility.

So if this is truly the case with respect to funding maintenance at the Saddledome, then the loss of the Flames as a major lessee would no doubt have serious implications for the CoC in a very short time as I don't see there being anything stepping in to replace that lessee. Major concerts - most would move to any new arena and the Roughnecks and the Hitmen, who knows.

Edmonton - they'll have two arenas before long, will be interesting to see how things work out up there. Maybe the Stampede would take over the Saddledome as it's within their boundaries.

[ExtraSlow]

you can bet that the Stampede has plans for that land, even if they can't use the arena in it's current form.

[duaner]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
you can bet that the Stampede has plans for that land, even if they can't use the arena in it's current form.
Exactly. Where else could they have Shania (?) play?

[ZEDGE]

Originally posted by speedog
So this whole arena replacement (and McMahon replacement) issue is being bashed around on the Calgary Skyscraper forums - consensus over there is both facility's replacements should either be in the west village or south of the east village south of the CPR tracks and north of the Stampede. Some have suggested Firepark as well but most over there seem to want any new sporting facilities downtown or on the fringes of downtown so as to take advantage of existing transit and road infrastructures as well as the host of accommodation and eating establishments in the downtown core/belt line.

Just build it anywhere (around downtown) but not on the Stampede grounds.. Or else it will be some western themed crap shaped like a boot or something again. Ugh.. :rolleyes:

I believe the term is "Stampitecture", Hideous.

[01RedDX]

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[btimbit]

Originally posted by InRich
Why the fuck do they need a new fucking arena? they FUCKING SUCK! one of the worst teams in the league, and on top of that they have one of the biggest fan bases cheering for them, even though their pure garbage.


What does how they're doing this year have to do with an arena? They're among the most valuable teams in the league $ wise, yet have one of the oldest buildings. Only thing the Saddledome has going for it is the large seating capacity, which despite the 'awful team' still averages over 19 000 people a game. The concourse is way too small, the bathrooms are awful, the building is bad for concerts with it's hollow sounding acoustics,


Originally posted by InRich

Why is the government wasting my money on stupid shit like this? OMG when I hear about things like this I get right pissed off. For them to even spend money on renderings pisses me off..

It'll most likely be built with mostly private funds, better in the long run for the team itself to own it themselves.

But you're missing the point. Buildings like this MAKE money.

[bourge73]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


Tax nonsense aside...

You just answered your own question. They have one of the biggest fan bases, who are willing to pay damn near anything to watch they're team suck. So why not build a new stadium, and charge even more when people are willing to pay?

Add onto that making it more acoustic would draw even more music artist names.


Fuck yes. I was pissed Metallica bypassed Calgary to Edmonton

[rage2]

Originally posted by heavyD
1st time I've ever seen you on CP.
I have a decent amount of posts over there I think? I don't post much but have been a mostly lurker for a while.


Originally posted by bourge73
Fuck yes. I was pissed Metallica bypassed Calgary to Edmonton
haha, I drove to Edmonton for that show, and left my car with Darcy cuz I had to fly out for a family vacation the next morning and met everyone at the destination. :rofl:

From that vacation, I went to the Van show with Mibz. Both were :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:.

But yea, it sucks that Edmonton gets better shows than we do because of our damn roof.

[buh_buh]

They won't demo the dome.
Look at the Corral. The Stampede grounds is the graveyard for Calgary arenas.
May as well build the new one on the grounds too.

[btimbit]

Originally posted by buh_buh
They won't demo the dome.
Look at the Corral. The Stampede grounds is the graveyard for Calgary arenas.
May as well build the new one on the grounds too.

Pretty sure they said in an interview this time last year that the dome would be demo'd. Too costly to operate and too prime of a location for something that would then be limited use.

[CanmoreOrLess]

I'd like to see a new hockey arena in Calgary as well, seating should be over 25,000. As well, multi-plex the whole idea with a world class convention set-up, a new outdoor sports stadium and casino. Look to Phoenix as something to duplicate here in Calgary. All the current offerings in this city are so outdated and embarrassing. All in, a couple billion plus.

[btimbit]

Really want to quote this post from CP.


Off the top of my head is the reasons why Flames owners want a new arena.

- Accommodate all types of big act concerts. Lost revenue is now gained revenue.
- More lower bowl seats. Increase of revenue. (Think Flames have the smallest one in the league)
- More and better luxury suites. Increase revenue.
- Implementation of better/more club areas. Increase revenue.
- Bigger/more concourses. Improves efficiency and increases revenue.
- New equals flashy which equals pricy which people are willing to pay. You get the idea.

Most of these mean more costs to the fans, but this is a business after all. Supply and demand.

Aside from direct consumers costs, there's others that they can do with a new venue.

- Build new arena with new football stadium, which rumours indicate.
- Training/practice facility built with arena.
- Ownership of land means they can build hotels, offices, retail, convention space around the arena.
- Gain parking revenue, which they currently don't on Stampede land.
- Negate flood impact if possible.

Those are just off the top of my head. The owners may have more reasons of why they want a new arena. But either way, a lot has changed in 30 years, and the new arenas show just how outdated, and limited the Saddledome is for the owners, and fans.

[BigDL]

More washrooms would be nice.