Film Holders from Better Scanning Order

[msommers]

Going to order some new holders from these guys and get some glass. The owner is fairly quick to reply to email, some things have changed. For example, the 120 holder for the V700 only comes with the holder and glass, no T locks now.

Probably order tomorrow night so have a look and let me know.

http://www.betterscanning.com

[taemo]

hey matt, from my experience but the 120 holder and ANR glass are not worth buying.
I hated using the 120 holder and preferred the Epson one more
I didn't mind using the 120 ANR but you have to tape the film on it to keep the film flat.

I kept the 35mm ANR glasses for when I'm scanning my Xpan shots but sold the 120 holder and glass.

You should look into the Lomography DigitaLIZA, much better 120 holder and cheaper too

[D'z Nutz]

Have you actually used the DigitaLIZA, Earl? If it actually works well, I'd be interested in picking up a set. I have some negs I could never scan properly because they never stayed flat in my Epson holders.

[taemo]

yup all my 120 scans since january have been done with the digitaliza.

you load the film in the holder then the bottom metal plate and top magnet keeps the film flat

thinking of buying the 35mm holder later on for the xpan scans

[msommers]

Interesting, Earl. From my research a lot more people seemed to favour the B/S holders over the DL. Do they perform equally and the loading is just easier? The setup they have now is no T-locks, it's just put the glass on top of the film in the holder. Was the glass not very heavy?

I was looking at getting some 35mm glass as well for the Epson holder because some of the film was still arching a little once clamped down.

[taemo]

Originally posted by msommers
Interesting, Earl. From my research a lot more people seemed to favour the B/S holders over the DL. Do they perform equally and the loading is just easier? The setup they have now is no T-locks, it's just put the glass on top of the film in the holder. Was the glass not very heavy?

I was looking at getting some 35mm glass as well for the Epson holder because some of the film was still arching a little once clamped down.

I had the newer holder with adjustable height, you just put the film and then glass on top.
What I found is that if you just rely on the weight of the glass to keep it flat, you'll be disappointed. Numerous times I've had the film slip out of the holder when lifting the holder up to blow/brush the film and transporting it to the scanner so I would suggest taping the film to the glass.
The construction of the holder itself was average IMO.
I would rather use the Epson holder with glass on top (although it doesn't exactly fit) than the holder.

What I like about the Lomo holder is that when you load the film in the holder, the plate and magnet keeps it flat and stretched, then you lock the film with the top part of the holder.
You can buy my 2 35mm glasses if you want :)

All I can tell you is that I don't mind scanning 120 anymore now that I have the Lomo holder.

Here's how I align the Lomo holder on the V600
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7421/12215068824_097f819261.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/itaemo/12215068824/)
IMG_0592 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/itaemo/12215068824/) by earl.dieta (http://www.flickr.com/people/itaemo/), on Flickr


and comparison scans between the Epson and BS holder
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8382/8555511061_85817f3f58.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/itaemo/8555511061/)
BetterScanning test (http://www.flickr.com/photos/itaemo/8555511061/) by earl.dieta (http://www.flickr.com/people/itaemo/), on Flickr
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8244/8556621834_db40996bcf.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/itaemo/8556621834/)
Better Scanning test 2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/itaemo/8556621834/) by earl.dieta (http://www.flickr.com/people/itaemo/), on Flickr


but who knows, it might be different with your V700

[msommers]

Yeah I'll buy your glass. Think I'll opt for the DL instead, less finicky. Thx Earl.

Derrick did you want one as well? Earl do one or two fit in the scanner?

[taemo]

2 120 or 2 35mm on the scanner?
not exactly sure on the V700 but on the V600 I could only scan 1 120 at a time.
the lomo holders are fairly wide so my bet is that I can scan only 1 35mm strip at a time, on your V700 you might be able to do 2.

here's a mijonju video of the 35mm holder, i think he has a V700 or V750
y15sgp050Qw

[D'z Nutz]

Originally posted by msommers
Derrick did you want one as well?

Yeah, may as well. Grab me one for 35mm and one for 120.


Originally posted by taemo
here's a mijonju video

What the fuck?! Who is this idiot?!

[msommers]

Well Earl gave me the dimensions for the 120 holders and they're 10.2cm wide. Which blows because the scanning area is 20.2cm on the V700!

I'll try to find where they are the cheapest but it might turn into a BH order lol.

[taemo]

Originally posted by D'z Nutz
Yeah, may as well. Grab me one for 35mm and one for 120.

What the fuck?! Who is this idiot?!
a japanese hipster, he used to make youtube videos about film cameras and photography but I think he stopped



Originally posted by msommers
Well Earl gave me the dimensions for the 120 holders and they're 10.2cm wide. Which blows because the scanning area is 20.2cm on the V700!

I'll try to find where they are the cheapest but it might turn into a BH order lol.
are you worried about the top or the bottom part of the scanner?
if top, I wouldn't worry about it as the Lomo holder is wider than my V600's top.
the 10.2 cm includes the holder itself too, so that's about 2cm on each side.

if you are planning on scanning 2 120 holders then 20.2cm is wide enough for both ( 6cm + 2cm + 2cm + 6cm) then about 2cm on each side.

my suggestion.. buy the Lomo holders at TCS, if 2 doesn't work, then return one.
or buy only 1 and I'll lend you mine

[D'z Nutz]

Matt: If TCS sells the holders, I'll just get it from there when I need them. I don't imagine they will be that much more expensive than B&H.

[msommers]

Yeah I was going to call TCS today as see how much they are since I was going to order stuff through B&H anyways.

I'm scared to go down there though. I'm thinking of changing to Canon and it could turn expensive :rofl:

[blitz]

Go in for a film holder, come out with a 1DX :drool:

[msommers]

Just called TCS and they don't stock them, but he said he could special order it in and would need a full deposit. I asked if it was easier to just buy them directly and he let out a big "well..."

So I think I'm going to order them through B&H.

And Ryan, yeah that's actually what I'm eyeing up. That and a 200-400 w/built in TC :drool:

[D'z Nutz]

Originally posted by msommers
I'm thinking of changing to Canon and it could turn expensive :rofl:

Haha damn, you're that jaded from the shitty Nikon service eh?

[msommers]

At the moment, the 1DX is a better camera than the D4 which is what I'm gunning for. I'm still waiting to see how the D4S does against it before I finally decide.

And it's honestly pissed me off that it's a contributing factor.

Anyways, did you want to order the holders separately or with our B&H order?

[D'z Nutz]

Did TCS say how much it'd cost? If it's not much more than ordering from B&H + shipping/duty I'll just get it locally.

[msommers]

All I got out of him was that he'd have to look into it. But it sounded like it was the same price as the Digitliza website so maybe can negate the shipping cost?

For 2 x 120 and 2 x 35mm holders from DL vs. BH: $175 CDN vs $151 USD

[blitz]

Do it Matt!

1DX, 200-400, 85L, 17 TS-E and you'll be set!

[msommers]

Originally posted by blitz
Do it Matt!

1DX, 200-400, 85L, 17 TS-E and you'll be set!

Grand total....:eek:

[blitz]

Haha, I actually when to the TCS website to check. Right around $24k.

Might as well pick up a 135L while you're there :rofl:

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by msommers
At the moment, the 1DX is a better camera than the D4 which is what I'm gunning for. I'm still waiting to see how the D4S does against it before I finally decide.

And it's honestly pissed me off that it's a contributing factor.

Anyways, did you want to order the holders separately or with our B&H order?

Are you looking to start shooting sports or something Matt?

Definitely wait for the D4S before you drop $6K on a camera and see what it brings. Rumor was for announcement last night or today...but I don't see anything yet. Hopefully they work the same magic as they did going from D3 --> D3S.

As for D4 vs 1DX, it's kind of a wash. Basically buy the one which you have the glass for, and you won't be disappointed haha.

Based on the countless "D4 vs 1DX" threads & reviews, consensus seems to be 1DX has better daylight AF, D4 has better low light AF. 1DX locks on faster, D4 tracks better. D4 has a better sensor. 1DX has a faster burst rate. D4 is $1000 cheaper and has double the warranty (probably $2,000 cheaper after D4S announcement). 1DX has better video mode. D4 has twice the buffer. Etc, etc. As you can see it kind of depends what the primary use will be.

Most people just buy the one they have lenses for already haha. Pretty hard to be disappointed with either camera. I'd happily own either.

[msommers]

Originally posted by blitz
Haha, I actually when to the TCS website to check. Right around $24k.

Might as well pick up a 135L while you're there :rofl:

Yeah I'm looking at my kit at home and thinking I'd get around 7-9k on the used market. I think in "vacation dollars" when making large purchases and ~$15k can take you a lot of places instead of switching camera systems.

Would be one sick setup though, love that 17 t/s. $12K just for the 200-400 alone is absolutely ridiculous :nut:

As for the 1Dx, the AF is supposed to be more accurate and quicker (according to wildlife guys I've spoke to on FM) and the colour rendition on Canon is more appealing - ISO performance and FPS/buffer seem adequate and comparable for what I have in mind. The DR on the D800 is hard to beat though right now.

Lots of wildlife and sitting in the bush, Mark! In some ways I'm hoping Nikon can fix whatever is wrong with the 80-400 but I think it's just asking too much of a zoom lens and will have to break down and buy a long prime if I decide to stick with Nikon.

And this has gotten completely off topic :rofl: :banghead:

[Mitsu3000gt]

I see!

Well the D800 is hard to beat for wildlife unless you need crazy FPS. I'd take resolution and DR over speed unless you needed more than 5.5FPS, which it will do at 25MP with a grip.

Switching systems either way is pretty expensive, especially since Canon pro glass & bodies are overpriced right now (I'm sure Nikon will soon be happy to restore the balance haha).

That 80-400 will never be as good as a prime, but it looks like you got some awesome shots with it in Africa. If Nikon gets off their ass and releases a 300/4 VR that will be a nice low cost substitute, or else you're looking at a 200-400 or 500/4 most likely. Primes also do better with subjects at far distances.

Either way, definitely wait for D4S reviews. Clearly the 1DX is what they are aiming to best with that camera.

[D'z Nutz]

Originally posted by msommers
All I got out of him was that he'd have to look into it. But it sounded like it was the same price as the Digitliza website so maybe can negate the shipping cost?

For 2 x 120 and 2 x 35mm holders from DL vs. BH: $175 CDN vs $151 USD

Okay, if you're gonna make an order with B&H, tack mine on too then.

And if you're selling the D800, I'll give you $500 for it. It's the best I can do for an impact damaged camera. If you don't have the box, then $400. CASH!

[msommers]

I hate you

[taemo]

Matt, here's my B&H order

2x Fujifilm RDP-III 120 Fujichrome Provia 100F Professional Color
1x Lomography DigitaLIZA 35mm Scanning Mask
1x Fujifilm instax mini Picture Format Instant Film (20 Shots)
2x Ilford HP5 Plus 120 Black & White Negative (Print) Film (ISO-400)

SubTotal: $60.91
Customs Clearance : $18.15
Shipping: $8.80
Order Total: $87.86

[msommers]

Let me know if this spreadsheet works. And that I'm not high and botched the calculations.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwnNztckAkn5MkcyWG11YlJCeHc/edit?usp=sharing

Shipped out today to Earl downtown. Our rig got delayed for another bloody week so I'll be around as well.

Matt

(How do you PM multiple people?)

[D'z Nutz]

So pay you and pick up the stuff from Earl? Do you do EMT?

My total looks a little light. I'm guessing that means you're not selling the D800 to me? Haha

[taemo]

I have you guys stuff, I'll be back in Calgary Thursday so can meet in downtown then or Friday

[blitz]

How are you guys liking the DigitaLIZA?


Originally posted by msommers
Well Earl gave me the dimensions for the 120 holders and they're 10.2cm wide. Which blows because the scanning area is 20.2cm on the V700!

Does this mean it can't scan 6x12 film, or am I confused?

[taemo]

6x12 is around 56x114mm so it will do just fine on digitaliza holder.
I can squeeze 3 6x6 which are 56x56mm.
if you want, give me a 6x12 or ill bring my digitaliza for you to test it out but it should work no problem.

you may have sold the xpan but you are still hooked on panoramic photography and shooting MF now.
so want to make the jump but it will be hard lugging a GF670, GSW690 and a GX617 when travelling :rofl:

edit: I can also scan 2 6x9 on the digitaliza (56x84mm) so 6x12 will do just fine. even 6x17 might work too

[D'z Nutz]

Oh yeah, you'll have no problems scanning 6x17. I checked before I bought. It won't scan 6x24 though hahaha

[blitz]

Thanks guys, just ordered one. I'm going to make a plywood jig to hold it and use my A7 for 'scanning'. Drew up some plans last night, It'll do 4x5 and 6x12 in a single frame but will also be able to do 645 sized bits so you can stitch together 3 full frames for 6x12.

If it works as expected I'll make a few extras.

[taemo]

sweet! interested, wouldn't mind trying the A7 w/ 50mm macro as scanner.