2014 CSCC/SASC autoslalom/autox Season Schedule and information

[A2VR6]

Originally posted by benyl
Tire width restriction? Or just stock sizing?

As wide as you can on the rims

[A2VR6]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
If it fits on the rim and within the wheel well without modification (like fender rolling) it is allowed

Is this one a club exception? I don't recall seeing any mention of this in the SCCA rules, but maybe I overlooked it.

I was under the impression you can only use diameters that are offered as factory options for the car

It's in the rulebook:

13.4 WHEELS
Any type wheel may be used provided it complies with the following: 2015 SCCA® NAtioNAl Solo® RuleS — 73
13. Street
A. It is the same width as standard and as installed it does not have an
offset more than ±¼” (±6.35mm) from a standard wheel for the car.
The resultant change in track dimensions is allowed.
B. Wheel (rim) diameter may be increased or decreased 1” from the
standard part.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Is this one a club exception? I don't recall seeing any mention of this in the SCCA rules, but maybe I overlooked it.

I was under the impression you can only use diameters that are offered as factory options for the car

+ - 1" I thought was ok

[Sugarphreak]

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[benyl]

So, if car comes with 15" stock and 16" optional, you can go to 17" provided you have same width and offset as the stock 15 or optional 16.

Going with a 140 wear rating will have you wear out the tires just driving to Ft McLeod from Calgary. haha.

What will the wear rating be for 2015?

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by benyl
So, if car comes with 15" stock and 16" optional, you can go to 17" provided you have same width and offset as the stock 15 or optional 16.

Going with a 140 wear rating will have you wear out the tires just driving to Ft McLeod from Calgary. haha.

What will the wear rating be for 2015?

200

[Sugarphreak]

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[Stuart]

Originally posted by KRyn


I am not going to name any names, but my buddy is running headers plus straight pipe exhaust on his Corvette and hasn't had any issues this year thus far. Even at Castrol race way no one complained, I wouldn't worry about it.

There have been a number of complaints about that Vette, but as of now we have not taken any action. This does not mean that we are going to accept another car that is that loud, but rather we are working on the best way of dealing with the current issue without causing undue hardship to the owner.


Originally posted by Sugarphreak
That is gay... I love my 140w tires :rofl:

The nice thing is that most manufacturers are coming out with "new" compounds that are as sticky as their 140 treadwear tires but somehow are 200 now...got to love sketchy designations and/or testing!

[jacky4566]

With the residence so close I think we should be concerned with noise at Fort MacLeod. It sucks but it sucks even more that we don't have a Calgary Venue because of noise.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

No standardized tire testing means I could go out and make practically an R Comp if I wanted and market it as 200UTG rating :P

[94boosted]

Originally posted by BavarianBeast
1 question..

I want to come and plan on either bringing my E92 S/C M3 or my B5 S4..

The one thing I am worried about is my M3 being too loud.. In the self-declatation form it states that sound levels must be within limits of the event, how loud are these limits?

Thanks.

I believe the rules state 96dB @ 20ft to the side at a section of the course where the car is at Wide Open Throttle. Stuart please correct me if I'm wrong.


Originally posted by KRyn


I am not going to name any names, but my buddy is running headers plus straight pipe exhaust on his Corvette and hasn't had any issues this year thus far. Even at Castrol race way no one complained, I wouldn't worry about it.

The car does have headers but it's certainly not straight piped (factory axle back active exhaust). With the active exhaust valves in the open position (which automatically open and cannot be kept shut past 3600RPM) the exhaust takes a "shortened" path through the mufflers but it is still muffled to some extent.

As for Castrol I was far from the loudest car then considering the road course is right next to the drag strip and there was a top fuel car there on July 27th :rofl:


Originally posted by Stuart


There have been a number of complaints about that Vette, but as of now we have not taken any action. This does not mean that we are going to accept another car that is that loud, but rather we are working on the best way of dealing with the current issue without causing undue hardship to the owner.



:( Still trying to figure out what I could do to quiet it down a bit without having to weld in resonators or add four downward facing tips. I don't know if I'm much louder or even louder at all than the red Corvette though. I'm really curious to see if I'm past the 96dB measurement though.

[94boosted]

Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo
No standardized tire testing means I could go out and make practically an R Comp if I wanted and market it as 200UTG rating :P

And if you sold it in enough quantities and made it available to other competitors it would be legal lol

If you do can you please also make a 345/30/19 :D

[Sugarphreak]

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[KRyn]

Originally posted by 94boosted

The car does have headers but it's certainly not straight piped (factory axle back active exhaust).

Damn, I thought you were cool.

[Murray Peterson]

Originally posted by 94boosted

I don't know if I'm much louder or even louder at all than the red Corvette though.

When your bypass kicks in (out?), your car is much louder than Jay's Corvette, at least to the ears. No idea what a db meter shows.

[94boosted]

Originally posted by Murray Peterson


When your bypass kicks in (out?), your car is much louder than Jay's Corvette, at least to the ears. No idea what a db meter shows.

I guess I've never heard my own car from outside, I think I'm going to have to get someone to take it for a run while I watch from the sidelines.

I'm going to see if there is anything I can do to Jerry-Rig those valves to stay closed at all times.

[A2VR6]

Originally posted by 94boosted


I guess I've never heard my own car from outside, I think I'm going to have to get someone to take it for a run while I watch from the sidelines.



Are you looking for a volunteer? :D J/K, I honestly wouldn't know what to do driving a car that actually had torque :rofl:

[Murray Peterson]

Originally posted by 94boosted


I guess I've never heard my own car from outside, I think I'm going to have to get someone to take it for a run while I watch from the sidelines.

I'm going to see if there is anything I can do to Jerry-Rig those valves to stay closed at all times.

The volume hits when the exhaust is pointing towards the listener. Sounds close to a straigt pipe at that point.

Is there a fuse you can pull in the circuit?

[94boosted]

Originally posted by A2VR6


Are you looking for a volunteer?

Sure bud :thumbsup: will the M3 be there that day ;)



Originally posted by Murray Peterson


The volume hits when the exhaust is pointing towards the listener. Sounds close to a straigt pipe at that point.

Is there a fuse you can pull in the circuit?

If it were that simple I would have done it a long time ago, truth is the valves fail open and rely on engine vacuum to keep them closed.

[A2VR6]

Originally posted by 94boosted


Sure bud :thumbsup: will the M3 be there that day ;)



Maybe... we'll see... Dont think the M3 will be too competitive... the other car on the other hand...

[benyl]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Yeah, they will just change it all to 200 now. The first time I ran RE-11's I couldn't believe how good they were... and they have just gotten more and more sticky ever since. My car wasn't even plowing at corners at the last even, I was just doing 3 wheel stands in the corners, haha.

What size RE-11s are you running? Most websites show that 16" is the smallest diameter.

[Sugarphreak]

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[benyl]

Current RE11s are 200 wear rating.

[Sugarphreak]

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[Redlined_8000]

Cya guys at red deer sunday :) Gonna be lots of fun.

[Kramerica]

Originally posted by benyl


What size RE-11s are you running? Most websites show that 16" is the smallest diameter.

Have you checked for RE-11a's? Theyre the successor to the RE-11s and I just got 15s for my car this year.

[A2VR6]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Not sure what I will run on the Fiesta ST yet... if 200w is required for stock catagory I might look at getting some full out R-comps instead. Also not sure what class that puts me in, or if other mods are allowed in that class.

with R's and the rest of the car stock it would in the Street R class which is more or less the stock class but with R comps.

Only differences i can see beside the tires is that the allowance of 1" larger than stock diameter is not allowed in the Street R class. Looks like you use the same classing as stock (ie. BS) but your pax is slightly different because of R comps.

[Sugarphreak]

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[A2VR6]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Interesting, that must be a new class that was added in the last few years. Good idea to keep it more affordable though.

If I remember correctly, we used to just use a club time modifier of .98 for anybody on street tires before. So this sounds like it is just more or less formalizing that.

Yep I believe the class was added this year. Looks like the index is different for each class (ie. not a blanket .98 multiplier like we did in the past). None the less, interesting.

[Stuart]

To the best of my knowledge the Street R classes are a one year only thing with the exception of SSR. I believe the SCCA was using it to help ease the switch to street tires as there was quite an uproar over the proposal. Just be aware that next year that classes may disapear...or not depending on the whim of the SCCA rulemakers.

[reijo]

The R-compound stock class except for SS will be gone next year as Stuart said.

After that the Street Stock classes will require tires with a thread wear rating of 200 minimum.

R

[Sugarphreak]

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[Murray Peterson]

Your choices are street prepared, street modified, prepared, and modified. For example, if I slap on r-comps next year, my S2000 has to run in BSP. Some cars don't qualify for anything except modified (probable EM if they still have a roof and doors).

[Sugarphreak]

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[Murray Peterson]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
No point then to have a stock car then, I think all of those classes allow for modifications


They do allow for mods, although locally, there are very few people that run a fully prepared vehicle. So, I wouldn't go so far as to say "no point". I still have some r-comps that I hoped to burn off this year, but it is looking like I will still have them next year. BSP, here I come :)


I see why you are running on streets this year Murray

This year still has classes for stock cars on race rubber, they just renamed them. e.g. I am in BSR when I run r-comps. Next year, those classes go away.

I was running on street tires for serveral reasons:
1. Much cheaper
2. Arrive and drive is nice for lazy people like me
3. Street tires are so much better now, and the ones I like give feedback almost as good as Hoosiers.

[xnvy]

Schedule change according to this (http://cscc.speedracer.ca/forums/index.php?topic=12350.msg67399;topicseen#new)?

23rd is a points event and 24th is a practice.

[reijo]

Originally posted by xnvy
Schedule change according to this (http://cscc.speedracer.ca/forums/index.php?topic=12350.msg67399;topicseen#new)?

23rd is a points event and 24th is a practice.

Yes, that is now confirmed.

R

[xnvy]

So who is going where tomorrow? I'm torn... I'm hoping for more runs at Fort Macleod (~10 maybe? :dunno: ), as it's a practice, than compared to Red Deer but the regional seems enticing.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by xnvy
So who is going where tomorrow? I'm torn... I'm hoping for more runs at Fort Macleod (~10 maybe? :dunno: ), as it's a practice, than compared to Red Deer but the regional seems enticing.

We got ten runs today for the points event in Ft. Macleod.

[Redlined_8000]

Couple cell phone vids of Sunday. Super fun event! Had a blast.

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One of my runs in the civic
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[94boosted]

Thanks for posting the video :thumbsup:

PS: It's a C6 Grand Sport not Z06 ;) lol

[k1l4m]

Nice clips of the Corvette, RX7 and the SI. Looked like a fun course.

[Sugarphreak]

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[94boosted]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


^^ Ahhh, another one of Mitsu3000gt's most over-hyped cars!

Not sure I follow lol

[Stuart]

Maybe that the Z06 is over-hyped :dunno:

And now for the an under hyped car, a CSP Miata
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[xnvy]

^Use the youtube tags like you did, just delete in the url before the 2 and the video will show up.

Nice run. I always wanted a ride in that car. Hoosier's Bro!

How's getting into 1st? It's such a PITA in my car that I don't even bother trying it anymore. Noticed how you seemed to drop into it fairly easily.

[Sugarphreak]

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[Stuart]

Originally posted by xnvy
Nice run. I always wanted a ride in that car. Hoosier's Bro!

How's getting into 1st? It's such a PITA in my car that I don't even bother trying it anymore. Noticed how you seemed to drop into it fairly easily.

Getting into first was quite easy in the Miata. I found that in my RX-8 when I had the clutch replaced it made a big difference for the 2-1 downshift. However the Miata has a much better seating and pedal position for heel-toe which is the thing I find helps the most.

And I agree, Hoosier's are awesome hands down!

[94boosted]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Sorry, bad reference, haha. About 15 posts down Mitsu3000gt added the "Grand Sport" to his list:

http://forums.beyond.ca/st/385351/most-overhyped-cars-ever-your-opinions/

Basically any car except the S4 is over-hyped, lol

hahah didn't even see that thread. It's funny he says a "2009 Grand Sport" is overhyped considering there is no such thing as a 2009 Grand Sport (the cars first MY was 2010) which leads me to believe he probably never drove one :rofl:

[Redlined_8000]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Sorry, bad reference, haha. About 15 posts down Mitsu3000gt added the "Grand Sport" to his list:

http://forums.beyond.ca/st/385351/most-overhyped-cars-ever-your-opinions/

Basically any car except the S4 is over-hyped, lol

Dam.... Even my Civic is over hyped.

[Redlined_8000]

Originally posted by Stuart
Maybe that the Z06 is over-hyped :dunno:

And now for the an under hyped car, a CSP Miata
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That looks like such a fun autox car man! Convertible is the way to go. What time did you run?

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[94boosted]

Originally posted by Redlined_8000


Dam.... Even my Civic is over hyped.

I saw you there but didn't see the C63, had no idea it was you in the Civic.

[Stuart]

Originally posted by Redlined_8000 That looks like such a fun autox car man! Convertible is the way to go. What time did you run? That run was a 46.411. The biggest issue driving that car is convincing yourself to take elements without lifting, it just keeps gripping :eek: Thanks to Cam and Jess for letting me drive it again.

[A2VR6]

Fun event... its been way too long since i've been out and it showed... really rusty.

That, and I have to learn how to drive FWD all over again...

[reijo]

2nd to last event of the autox season this coming weekend in Fort Macleod! Weather is looking good too - shorts and sunscreen - forecast is for +25C/+27C ....

Come out and burn off that old rubber, it ain't going to be as sticky next season anyway! :)

R

[xnvy]

Who's going to this? I think I can make it. Got my car a parking pass this week so it can stay with me.

Now it's just a matter of getting this damn exhaust on before Sunday :D

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by xnvy
Who's going to this? I think I can make it. Got my car a parking pass this week so it can stay with me.

Now it's just a matter of getting this damn exhaust on before Sunday :D

I'll be there along with a bunch of other Subaru/work guys.

[xnvy]

I got a bit of video from today that I'll post later.

Today was good. Ran awesome in the morning. Screwed up the afternoon.


Also, I think I saw Sugarphreak heading south on 2 while I was heading back to Calgary. You were a little late Nick ;)

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Bah, beat by the CSP Miata again today, but this time by three drivers. Maybe I should just codrive that :P

[xnvy]

Argh... 37 out of 44 in PAX.

My fastest afternoon run had 3 cone hits. :banghead:

[jacky4566]

Originally posted by xnvy
Argh... 37 out of 44 in PAX.


How's it feel being beaten by an impreza wagon on all seasons? :rofl:

#30 of 44 here. Great day for the badger.

Results are here if anyone is looking:
http://cscc.speedracer.ca/forums/index.php/topic,12459.0.html

[94boosted]

Originally posted by xnvy


My fastest afternoon run had 3 cone hits. :banghead:

I found the afternoon course more challenging than the morning one.

[xnvy]

Me too. Making it a giant slalom made it harder to get lost but also more difficult to complete.

I psyched myself out. Tried matching my morning time on a slower course. The end result being 11 cones in 3 runs. Frustrating since I know I could have been so much faster. I guess there's always more events. I probably won't make it out to any events next year though.

[Sugarphreak]

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[Murray Peterson]

Originally posted by 94boosted


I found the afternoon course more challenging than the morning one.

Same here, but that made it my favourite course of the day. I love those tight, challenging courses -- they make me think so much more than something where I can just drive through it on autopilot.

[xnvy]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
What, why? Next summer is the summer of the MCAT :cry:

[Sugarphreak]

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[xnvy]

Hopefully. If only to troll Arash :rofl:

I also don't think I ever want to show my face at an autocross again after that terrible afternoon.

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[Murray Peterson]

Originally posted by xnvy

I also don't think I ever want to show my face at an autocross again after that terrible afternoon.


Look at Neal's results (car #71) for the afternoon; you got off lucky :)

[xnvy]

Ouch. That's the guy with the silver one without the wing right? He was pretty fast too.

Thanks for that Murray! :D

[Sugarphreak]

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[Murray Peterson]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
^^ Sign up for race school next spring, I will see you there :thumbsup:

You mean the SoloPro schools? If so, I'll be a student there as well. Amusingly, I was both a student and an instructor last year -- both were a lot of fun!

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

I really want to do the school this year.

[reijo]

The school is always a good idea .... lots to learn ... lots of seat time ... will give you plenty to work on for the future! :)

Also this Sunday's course was difficult to get "right" .... a consequence of so many slaloms unfortunately ... but definitely a skill test as Murray mentioned. Especially in the long slalom, you had to get a good rhythm going and keep it. Tough.

Reijo

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Watching the CSP Miata go through 7 cone slalom was unreal.

[reijo]

Yeah, those CSP Miatae are very fast in corners, slaloms and transitions! 275 Hoosiers do it!

Anyway, there is one more weekend (Saturday practice and Sunday championship/competition) on October 4/5 .... last ones of the year. Burn those old tires off or be slow in the spring! :)

Sign up on Karelo.com here:

http://www.karelo.com/restdetail.php?&BT=10&BID=334

Course design will be by Ryan and Q for Sunday! :)

Cheers!

Reijo (hoping to fix the S2k this weekend!)

[Sugarphreak]

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[xnvy]

Anybody going to Red Deer this Sunday?

I prefer CSCC events but the 6th is super busy for me so I want to leave the 4th and 5th free for studying. Figured I'd go to the RDSCC event on the 28th instead to wrap up this season. If I go it will be my 3rd "final event" of this season :rofl:

Autocross is too fun :D

[Stuart]

Originally posted by xnvy
Anybody going to Red Deer this Sunday?
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Autocross is too fun :D

I'll be up there codriving my RX8 with a potential buyer from Edmonton. It's nice to have a place to "test drive" a car with no plates. Could be my last Autocross in the RX8, my first "race" car. :cry:

[Murray Peterson]

Only 5 people registered for the weekend. Serious seat time this weekend!

[Sugarphreak]

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