Help me pick: 2nd hand AWD Manual

[deee_wreck]

So here is the situation, the wifey has given me the green light to find a fun car to drive for the next 18 - 24months, before we start the family and then need a SUV.

ONLY keeping the vehicle for Max 2 years.

My wants are:
- AWD
- Sedan 4door
- sun roof
- Manual
- Minimal Maintenance
- Minimal depreciation (Ideally want to sell for $5K less than what i bought it)

So far the contestants are:

2010 Subaru WRX, manual, limited edn, 70K clicks , asking $25K

2010 Audi A4 , manual, 90K clicks, asking $25K

2010 Subaru Legacy 2.5GT, manual , 92K , asking $22K

DQ'd:

2011 BMW 328i xdrive

2007 BMW 335i xdrive, automatic


Questions:
- what do you think i should offer for prices posted?
- which of the vehicles above would meet my "wants" ?
- which would be the most fun to drive?
- known issues for any of the cars?
- which would be the easiest to sell after?
- Did I MISS any other vehicles that fit my requirements ?


I did try to look into Mercedes but AWD only comes in Automatic, same goes for the Infiniti G's

Appreciate the help and comments, looking to pull the trigger on something this week

I looked at leasing, but it'll cost me $12K over two years.
Looked at lease buster as well, nothing great on there.

Typically cars depreciate the most in the first 4-5years correct? but at what rate?

I was looking at the 2015 WRX, $30K base plus taxes, would it depreciate $10K after 2 years?

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[Sugarphreak]

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[rage2]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Why not save yourself some dough in the long run and get a Fun SUV?

Porsche Cayanne for example comes with a manual
Probably because he's looking for the least amount of depreciation (I'm guessing dollar amount and not percentage wise) over 2 years.

Get the cheapest car on the list. I'd say Subaru has the best depreciation % wise of the cars listed, and with it being the cheapest already, it'll be the best depreciation $ wise as well.

[Sugarphreak]

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[Tik-Tok]

My suggestion would be a 06/07 WRX wagon... still usable for infants, and cheap enough that you could use your savings (compared to the other cars on your list), on a SUV for her.

Definitely won't depreciate $5000 in two years either, if you feel it's too small after having kids.

[schocker]

What about TL SH-AWD also

[xnvy]

^Those are hard to find 2nd hand though in comparison to the others. I think I've only seen one with a manual on kijiji.

[deee_wreck]

I'm gonna get a SUV after two years. Don't want one now. Defiantly don't want a wagon, no kids yet.
This will be the daily driver and weekend cruiser into the mountains.

rage2 is correct , I'm looking at something that would only depreciate around $5k in 2 years.

Any thoughts on the new 2015wrx ? Think I could get away with selling it off for $5K less in 2 years?

Anyone know a car cost price on a 2015wrx, or don't bother ?

[flipstah]

2003-2005 Subaru Legacy?

EDIT: Subaru Legacy 2.5 GT spec.B

[rage2]

Originally posted by deee_wreck
rage2 is correct , I'm looking at something that would only depreciate around $5k in 2 years.

Any thoughts on the new 2015wrx ? Think I could get away with selling it off for $5K less in 2 years?
http://heahea.org/img/389-Impossibru.jpg

Honestly, if you want that little depreciation over 2 years, you'd have to buy a 5 year old car in the $15k range, or a 10 year old car in the $20k range (ballpark). Or buy a BMW 1M, those things are still selling at MSRP.

[SkiBum5.0]

I'm voting for the 328xi. May want to look outside Alberta for one as $30k seems high (all BMW's are 6-8% higher in AB)

[benyl]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak

That is my point though, if he gets a fun SUV instead of a fun car, then he won't have to sell it as it would be suitable for the family.

Buy for what you need / want now. No one knows the future. Plan might be to have kids in 2 years, but it could happen before or take longer.

I should be driving a minivan, but FUCK that. haha

[colinxx235]

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/no-long-term-commitment-drive-a-bmw-2011-3-series-328xi/594480764

finish lease, buy-out, sell.... profit...?

[faiz999]

Originally posted by rage2



Honestly, if you want that little depreciation over 2 years, you'd have to buy a 5 year old car in the $15k range, or a 10 year old car in the $20k range (ballpark). Or buy a BMW 1M, those things are still selling at MSRP.

well, he could also add an NSX to his list and somehow make money while driving his car.

[deee_wreck]

Originally posted by faiz999


well, he could also add an NSX to his list and somehow make money while driving his car.

LOL , yeh thats not happening even if i wanted to.

My budget ideally is $25K OTD. But can take out some TFSA to get it higher upto $30K.

I went and test drove the 2007 335xi , 2011 328xi, and 2013 328xi just for comparing.

Even though its AUTO, and older the 335xi is nice and goes pretty well.

Decisions , decisions...

[deee_wreck]

Originally posted by rage2



Honestly, if you want that little depreciation over 2 years, you'd have to buy a 5 year old car in the $15k range, or a 10 year old car in the $20k range (ballpark). Or buy a BMW 1M, those things are still selling at MSRP.

So how about the 2007 335xi for $25K , that's 7 years, not quite 10 years.

ANYONE have feedback on a G37XS AWD (2009-2011) versus the BMW ?

[flipstah]

Originally posted by deee_wreck


So how about the 2007 335xi for $25K , that's 7 years, not quite 10 years.

ANYONE have feedback on a G37XS AWD (2009-2011) versus the BMW ?

I find Infiniti interior nicer than BMW's but unsure how driving would apply in AWD setups. In RWD, BMW hands down.

[euro_racer]

Not sure how much they are these days but mk5 vw r32?

-awd
-comes in 4 doors. I know you said sedan but a hatchback offers similar versatility to an suv
-real nice interior
-respectable car
-fun
-holds value real good (harder to find though)

[CapnCrunch]

Keep whatever you have, then buy a sportbike.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by euro_racer
Not sure how much they are these days but mk5 vw r32?

-awd
-comes in 4 doors. I know you said sedan but a hatchback offers similar versatility to an suv
-real nice interior
-respectable car
-fun
-holds value real good (harder to find though)

MK4 R32's came in 4 doors. MK5 only came in 2 doors.

[deee_wreck]

Originally posted by flipstah


MK4 R32's came in 4 doors. MK5 only came in 2 doors.

found one only on Kijiji. ask $28K

[deee_wreck]

Originally posted by CapnCrunch
Keep whatever you have, then buy a sportbike.

i have no car right now! i ain't lugging grocery on a GSX-R

LOL

[flipstah]

Originally posted by deee_wreck


found one only on Kijiji. ask $28K

LOL so overpriced. :nut:

[euro_racer]

Originally posted by flipstah


MK4 R32's came in 4 doors. MK5 only came in 2 doors.

my bad, you are right...I lost track of all the vw configurations after the mk4 body :cry:

[GTS Jeff]

I've owned multiple variants of all of the above. They all have their problems, but from what you're describing, you are looking for a turbo Subaru of some sort.

328 is a bit slow, 335 is unreliable, both of those depreciate rapidly, A4 is pricey to maintain and the general mentality at Audi dealerships is to be dicks to the customers. Subarus don't break and they don't depreciate, especially if you buy in the summer and sell in the winter. They do have their set of severe downsides, but nothing you've listed as important to you. So turbo Subaru it is.

[deee_wreck]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
I've owned multiple variants of all of the above. They all have their problems, but from what you're describing, you are looking for a turbo Subaru of some sort.

328 is a bit slow, 335 is unreliable, both of those depreciate rapidly, A4 is pricey to maintain and the general mentality at Audi dealerships is to be dicks to the customers. Subarus don't break and they don't depreciate, especially if you buy in the summer and sell in the winter. They do have their set of severe downsides, but nothing you've listed as important to you. So turbo Subaru it is.

yes i would hate to have the A4 break down, so Glenmore and Royal Oak are brother in-laws to each other i searched out, is that true??

Adding one more option to the mix Legacy GT

not much available in the area for 2005-2009. Most are over 100,000km, theres one at 251,000km


But there are some newer 2.5GTs':
- a 2010 at a dealer with 93,000km asking $22K
- a 2011 with 60,000 asking $28K
- a 2012 with 73,000 asking $29,995 (white) CPO
- another 2012 with 50,000 asking $29,995 (silver) CPO

subaru CPO seems like a joke, you get 1 more year up to 80,000km ? and drivetrain stays only up to 100,000km

the attractive one is the silver 2012, with 30K of warranty.

But the price is easier on my wallet for the 2010.

so i read essentially you get a WRX 265 engine in the GT 2.5, I like this quote.

"2.5GT is a WRX for grown-ups, offering all the go-fast goodies in a roomy four-door that doesn't prompt the question, "Is that your son's car?"

feature and tech inside the car sound nice.

anyone have experience with the 2010 -2012 2.5 GT and can comment ?

[max_boost]

Lol your wifey owns you. Legacy gt sounds like it suits your needs.

[deee_wreck]

Originally posted by max_boost
Lol your wifey owns you. Legacy gt sounds like it suits your needs.

"happy wife , happy life"

you'll get there my friend!

i have no car right now, you renting any out of your garage LOL ?

[flipstah]

Originally posted by deee_wreck


"happy wife , happy life"

you'll get there my friend!

i have no car right now, you renting any out of your garage LOL ?

Buy his 911. That + Thule box = winning in life.

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by deee_wreck


yes i would hate to have the A4 break down, so Glenmore and Royal Oak are brother in-laws to each other i searched out, is that true??

Adding one more option to the mix Legacy GT

not much available in the area for 2005-2009. Most are over 100,000km, theres one at 251,000km


But there are some newer 2.5GTs':
- a 2010 at a dealer with 93,000km asking $22K
- a 2011 with 60,000 asking $28K
- a 2012 with 73,000 asking $29,995 (white) CPO
- another 2012 with 50,000 asking $29,995 (silver) CPO

subaru CPO seems like a joke, you get 1 more year up to 80,000km ? and drivetrain stays only up to 100,000km

the attractive one is the silver 2012, with 30K of warranty.

But the price is easier on my wallet for the 2010.

so i read essentially you get a WRX 265 engine in the GT 2.5, I like this quote.

"2.5GT is a WRX for grown-ups, offering all the go-fast goodies in a roomy four-door that doesn't prompt the question, "Is that your son's car?"

feature and tech inside the car sound nice.

anyone have experience with the 2010 -2012 2.5 GT and can comment ? Yeah that's all fine and dandy, get a Legacy. 2005-2009 under 100k should cost around $18k. Forget about the bloated new ones.

[Sugarphreak]

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[deee_wreck]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Older Forester XT w/ a manual :drool:

OEM it does something stupid like 0-100km in 5.4s

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2005-subaru-forester-xt-awd-5-spd-wow-only-139000-km-8995/597068184

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2005-subaru-forester-xt-awd-5-spd-wow-only-139000-km-8995/597068184

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/edmonton/2007-subaru-forester-xt-ltd-suv/586747747



Thanks but not my cup of tea in the looks department. And I want to stick with sedan.

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[clem24]

What I don't get is.. Why the fuck do you need an SUV to start a fucking family?!? What you plan on having like 5 kids at once? I can fit my 3 kids (2, 4, and 6) AND my 2 dogs with myself AND my wife in my 2003 Toyota Matrix just fine (yes 3 car seats in the back). *NO ONE* needs an SUV, ESPECIALLY if you're JUST starting a family with ONE kid. Stupidest thing ever.

Anyway back on topic LOL.. If you had a WRX hatch, you'll find that is more than adequate but the 2010 Legacy GT - you will not believe how massive that car is. I'll bet when you buy that thing, you'll realize it is a perfectly suitable 'family' car.

[cam_wmh]

Originally posted by flipstah


MK4 R32's came in 4 doors. MK5 only came in 2 doors.


Originally posted by euro_racer


my bad, you are right...I lost track of all the vw configurations after the mk4 body :cry:

Incorrect.

In North America, the MK4 & MK5 R32's only came in 2 door variations.

MK6, such as Flip's were sold in Canada in only 4 door configurations, while the USA got the option for either 2 or 4 doors.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by cam_wmh




Incorrect.

In North America, the MK4 & MK5 R32's only came in 2 door variations.

MK6, such as Flip's were sold in Canada in only 4 door configurations, while the USA got the option for either 2 or 4 doors.

Weird. I thought you can buy a MK4 R32 4-door in the USA. Well, I stand corrected.

[deee_wreck]

Originally posted by clem24
What I don't get is.. Why the fuck do you need an SUV to start a fucking family?!? What you plan on having like 5 kids at once? I can fit my 3 kids (2, 4, and 6) AND my 2 dogs with myself AND my wife in my 2003 Toyota Matrix just fine (yes 3 car seats in the back). *NO ONE* needs an SUV, ESPECIALLY if you're JUST starting a family with ONE kid. Stupidest thing ever.

Anyway back on topic LOL.. If you had a WRX hatch, you'll find that is more than adequate but the 2010 Legacy GT - you will not believe how massive that car is. I'll bet when you buy that thing, you'll realize it is a perfectly suitable 'family' car.

LoL , thanks for the post/rant I had a nice laugh.

You are correct no one needs a SUV for starting a family. But it was what the wifey wanted next, so I'm conceding on this instead of a miniVan.

I drove the Legacy today. Yes it is bigger than the WRX. It ain't bad overall. Still has pep with the 6speed MT.

The Audi is much more of a looker inside and out. Has that luxury feel. But like others said can be a money pit if something happens. But hey I'm only keeping it for 24months?

I'll take the weekend to decide. Maybe I'll ride the bus a little longer to find the right deal.

One dealer gave me the legacy for the night to drive around.

[Unknown303]

If you're having kids might as well buy nothing, save money and get a better SUV later on.


Originally posted by benyl

I should be driving a minivan, but FUCK that. haha

Minivans are for poor people!

This is my minivan.....

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f237/Unknown303/IMG_20130902_203537_zpsa4d658a3.jpg


Originally posted by clem24
What I don't get is.. Why the fuck do you need an SUV to start a fucking family?!? What you plan on having like 5 kids at once? I can fit my 3 kids (2, 4, and 6) AND my 2 dogs with myself AND my wife in my 2003 Toyota Matrix just fine (yes 3 car seats in the back). *NO ONE* needs an SUV, ESPECIALLY if you're JUST starting a family with ONE kid. Stupidest thing ever.

Anyway back on topic LOL.. If you had a WRX hatch, you'll find that is more than adequate but the 2010 Legacy GT - you will not believe how massive that car is. I'll bet when you buy that thing, you'll realize it is a perfectly suitable 'family' car.

:werd: to all of that! Although I have a 4 door Jeep and a crew cab truck... But the Legacy GT has shit tonnes of room in the back seat. My sister has one and putting the child seat in the back I was just floored by how much space there was in it.

[clem24]

Originally posted by deee_wreck


LoL , thanks for the post/rant I had a nice laugh.

You are correct no one needs a SUV for starting a family. But it was what the wifey wanted next, so I'm conceding on this instead of a miniVan.

What the wife wants?? So why don't you just cut off your balls now, start shopping at Lululemon, and sign up for naked yoga? Seriously I'll assume you'll need 2 cars so if she wants to drive the SUV, then by all means get one, but I don't think you necessarily need it so why not have an SUV for her and something fun with 4 doors for yourself (and what's wrong with minivans hahaha).


I drove the Legacy today. Yes it is bigger than the WRX. It ain't bad overall. Still has pep with the 6speed MT.

The Audi is much more of a looker inside and out. Has that luxury feel. But like others said can be a money pit if something happens. But hey I'm only keeping it for 24months?

I'll take the weekend to decide. Maybe I'll ride the bus a little longer to find the right deal.

One dealer gave me the legacy for the night to drive around.

I have bad news for you: Subaru only has perceived reliability; in reality, it's not that much better than Audi.

https://pictures.dealer.com/j/jdpower/1048/d113c91c0a0d02b701d3ac6eb051e9f9.jpg

http://autos.jdpower.com/ratings/dependability-press-release.htm

A B8 Audi is going to be reliable as the Subaru. Speaking from experience, my 2005 Legacy GT was by far (like a million miles), the most unreliable car I've ever owned. I had to sink over 1/4 of the value of what I paid for that car into repairs. The turbo Subarus are easily the worst offenders. Whether or not you get something reliable will depend on how well it was built (i.e. did the guy building your Audi down 3 or 6 beers at lunch?).

[deee_wreck]

Can someone recommend an honest reasonably priced shop that will do an independent inspection??
Or is it best to go back to original manufacturer ??

For Audi and Subaru

[colinxx235]

^

I believe Tunedubs? is where most vw/audi guys go for service and support that don't want the dealers

[Tik-Tok]

Although I've never used either myself, I've heard good things about Vex or Allmakes for Subies.

[flipstah]

Tunedub is good for VW :thumbsup:

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by clem24


What the wife wants?? So why don't you just cut off your balls now, start shopping at Lululemon, and sign up for naked yoga? Seriously I'll assume you'll need 2 cars so if she wants to drive the SUV, then by all means get one, but I don't think you necessarily need it so why not have an SUV for her and something fun with 4 doors for yourself (and what's wrong with minivans hahaha).



I have bad news for you: Subaru only has perceived reliability; in reality, it's not that much better than Audi.

https://pictures.dealer.com/j/jdpower/1048/d113c91c0a0d02b701d3ac6eb051e9f9.jpg

http://autos.jdpower.com/ratings/dependability-press-release.htm

A B8 Audi is going to be reliable as the Subaru. Speaking from experience, my 2005 Legacy GT was by far (like a million miles), the most unreliable car I've ever owned. I had to sink over 1/4 of the value of what I paid for that car into repairs. The turbo Subarus are easily the worst offenders. Whether or not you get something reliable will depend on how well it was built (i.e. did the guy building your Audi down 3 or 6 beers at lunch?).

NA Subarus blow headgaskets, whereas turbo Subarus are subject to the same issues as all turbo cars ie. if bagged on, something breaks.

But come on, fuck JD Power...

http://www.autooninfo.net/ReliabilityGPACharts2012/Chart_of_the_2012_GPAs_of_Auto_Makers.gif

[max_boost]

Subaru's are reliable man. 430k on a 2003 Forester. Still going strong lol

[bjstare]

JD Power surveys are a joke. Those problems per 100 vehicles could be any problem. i.e. the knob for the hvac adjustment doesn't work right, ford syc system is shitty, etc., so a car with a minor design flaw can really sway the survey, despite the problem not being that serious.

[xnvy]

I wish there was more services like Edmund's long term reviews. They at least proper outline any issues you'd encounter by dailying the car.

[deee_wreck]

- MAde an offer on the subaru legacy got rejected so did not get it. We were $2000 off in price.

- Booked an appointment for an audi inspection on friday! Thanks for the TUNEDUB recommendation


Anyone can comments on a:

- 2011 C300 4matic , with 60,000km asking $28,400 all-in

brakes have 1 year left (approx $800 to replace incl calipers)
tires have 1 year left ($800 to replace)

car proof has one claim for $5K ) canadian car

so it has roughly one year left on warranty, they gave the option to buy a global extended warranty at cost.

Also Can someone recommend a good independent inspection shop for MB ?

[bjstare]

^I bet the value on that MB plummets over the next year or two.

[Sugarphreak]

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[clem24]

Haha year weird... Sport sedan and manual it is not. Well it's probably considered fun if you were 52 years old.

Though by the same token I'd say it's probably on par with the Legacy GT. And if it were me and I had to choose between the Subaru and the MB, I'd probably take the MB.

[deee_wreck]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
A C300 4matic is your fun car? This did not go the way I though it would.

I though you wanted a manual?


i thought i was done when i made the offer on the legacy.

they rejected it. so now i'm gonna take the audi for inspection.

at the same time im expanding options a little, the availability of whats out there is high mileage in my range.

Ive never had an MB , and this came up in my search looks like a descent deal looking at whats out there.

The seller is driving it over to show me later tonight.

[deee_wreck]

Originally posted by clem24
Haha year weird... Sport sedan and manual it is not. Well it's probably considered fun if you were 52 years old.

Though by the same token I'd say it's probably on par with the Legacy GT. And if it were me and I had to choose between the Subaru and the MB, I'd probably take the MB.

yes i concur, im weird in that im picky, always wanting the best deal out there.

and i got time on my hands right now...

ANYONE got a MB shop for 3rd party inspection to recommend ? or dealer the only option?

[clem24]

Originally posted by deee_wreck


yes i concur, im weird in that im picky, always wanting the best deal out there.

and i got time on my hands right now...

ANYONE got a MB shop for 3rd party inspection to recommend ? or dealer the only option?

To be frank, if you have time on your hands, I'd walk away from this particular C300 because they are literally a dime a dozen. The reason being that it's been in an accident and the price doesn't reflect it compared to what else is out there.

Also, for that price, it seems like you can get into a C350 4Matic..

For example:

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2010-mercedes-benz-c-class-350-4matic-awd-sedan/598749150?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

I got my car inspected by Mercedes and they seemed to do a thorough job, plus they can probably pull the service records to find out any warranty claims/repairs as well, assuming it was serviced at Merc.

[deee_wreck]

Originally posted by clem24


To be frank, if you have time on your hands, I'd walk away from this particular C300 because they are literally a dime a dozen. The reason being that it's been in an accident and the price doesn't reflect it compared to what else is out there.

Also, for that price, it seems like you can get into a C350 4Matic..

For example:

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2010-mercedes-benz-c-class-350-4matic-awd-sedan/598749150?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

I got my car inspected by Mercedes and they seemed to do a thorough job, plus they can probably pull the service records to find out any warranty claims/repairs as well, assuming it was serviced at Merc.

Both dealerships are booking spots 2-3 weeks out, any other shop recommendations please.

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[riander5]

So you created this thread to choose between ~10 cars, went against everyones advice and start looking at over valued cars with accident history...

It must be an event to see you decide how to dress yourself in the morning

[clem24]

Originally posted by riander5
So you created this thread to choose between ~10 cars, went against everyones advice and start looking at over valued cars with accident history...

It must be an event to see you decide how to dress yourself in the morning

Why should he be limited to only what he started out with? People's minds can change; I don't have a problem with that. A car is an expensive commitment and you need to get it right.

So just to throw another car in the loop, I've always been fond of the E91. And they come with AWD and manual. Something like this would still make a perfect family car.

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/2011-bmw-328-i-xdrive-touring-wagon-navi-pano-roof-6-spd-alloys/537402015?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

A few suspension mods and some sticky tires and you've got yourself a fairly fun family oriented machine.

[jaeden]

Originally posted by deee_wreck


Both dealerships are booking spots 2-3 weeks out, any other shop recommendations please.

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You might have luck with some of the shops mentioned here.
BenzWorld thread: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/canada/1446659-ab-calgary.html
Seems like Continental is recommended. I have no history with them myself, but my dad used them years ago with his older SEL. Since then his MB cars have been dealer serviced.

[deee_wreck]

Originally posted by riander5
So you created this thread to choose between ~10 cars, went against everyones advice and start looking at over valued cars with accident history...

It must be an event to see you decide how to dress yourself in the morning

It's a forum for discussion.
I put up my scenario for comments, and I get feedback. If what I had outlined before was not feasible, then I have to change my criteria and expand my selection.... What's wrong with that?

If my clothes cost $25,000 and I was only allowed to buy it once I'd be pretty selective as well.

[ercchry]

Originally posted by deee_wreck



If my clothes cost $25,000 and I was only allowed to buy it once I'd be pretty selective as well.

why can you only buy a car once? cars dont lose much value when already used day to day.... get a new car every 6 months

[max_boost]

i say just go back to a wrx hatch. fast, functional, warranty and some boy racer will wanna buy it in a couple years.

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by clem24
Though by the same token I'd say it's probably on par with the Legacy GT. And if it were me and I had to choose between the Subaru and the MB, I'd probably take the MB. MB is better appointed and rides better, but it's so dull that even the numb Legacy is more fun than it.

Plus with the LGT you get resale value, reliabilitah, and the ability to use a Cobb AP.

[faiz999]

Originally posted by max_boost
i say just go back to a wrx hatch. fast, functional, warranty and some boy racer will wanna buy it in a couple years.

yeah this is your best bet. i think the insurance rates on these are also quite low.

[Cos]

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[max_boost]

Originally posted by faiz999


yeah this is your best bet. i think the insurance rates on these are also quite low. plus he has had one before so he knows what they are all about. otherwise his range is far too great. he might as well just buy whatever car has the BEST deal. there's always someone fire selling a car for whatever reason, divorce, school, marriage, going away etc.

[clem24]

Originally posted by max_boost
plus he has had one before so he knows what they are all about. otherwise his range is far too great. he might as well just buy whatever car has the BEST deal. there's always someone fire selling a car for whatever reason, divorce, school, marriage, going away etc.

I think GTS Jeff's was not a GT, just a regular Legacy though they all the share the same suspension tuning so they should all handle the same. That said, my LGT was fun albeit hampered by it's weight. Very good pickup but most impressive was acceleration on snow. The availability of a manual definitely helps.

One thing I really don't like about the new LGT is that they got rid of the hand operated e-brake in favor of a foot operated one. I personally don't understand how you can drive a manual without a handbrake. I use it all the time.

[max_boost]

Buy this. Looks great. Manual, awd, BMW douche club membership etc.

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread.php?s=&postid=4304159#post4304159

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by clem24


I think GTS Jeff's was not a GT, just a regular Legacy I've owned probably 10 different Subarus...old, new, turbo, NA, wagon, sedan...they're all basically the same car.

[Sugarphreak]

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[mr2mike]

OP must have been the guy I saw on the Ctrain yesterday getting emotionally man handled by his wife or fiancee. She was done up in Tiffany, Coach and whatever other brand Holt Renfrew sells. Clearly buying whatever the eff she wanted.
I recall they were briefly talking about buying a vehicle. He'd suggest a vehicle she didn't approve of.. then he'd be relentlessly saying Sorry while she would turn her back to him and not talk.

That you? OP?:dunno:
Thanks for my evening commute entertainment.