BMW M2 Anouncement?

[killramos]

Looks like we might have an M2 announcement tomorrow!

The grill looks like a 2 series's (not open at sides like 3 or 4.

I feel my resale tanking...

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/killramos/652C7271-6F94-4C36-8425-51F6A1F59215.png

[Sugarphreak]

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[benyl]

I see 1M prices tanking.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by benyl
I see 1M prices tanking.

i dont, the 1m is rowdy, the m2 won't be. It will be a great car but not savage like the 1m.

[mrsingh]

If it is under $70k, sign me up! :clap:

[Sugarphreak]

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[killramos]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
I knew this would happen.... put in an order for a new car, 3 days later the M2 is announced :rolleyes:

And I already paid for my LSD :cry:


I'm very interested to see what m does to make this an m car. Aside from wide body kit lol.

Should be below 70k, but not below 60 imo.

[JustinMCS]

It apparently was leaked a week ago.

Looks legit to me but who knows.

http://www.motortorque.com/res/images/articles/bmwm2bmwblog_580x0.jpg

[mrsingh]

I should clarify, if it has ~400hp, a 6spd manual, LSD, some tech AND can fit a forward facing child seat for under $70k, THEN sign me up.

[Sugarphreak]

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[killramos]

Originally posted by JustinMCS
It apparently was leaked a week ago.

Looks legit to me but who knows.

http://www.motortorque.com/res/images/articles/bmwm2bmwblog_580x0.jpg

I think this was fake, someone photoshopped it as a concept months ago.

Good news, over in 2addicts they are saying this is an m235i promo drift video. Could be true considering it has the same 18" rims.

[mrsingh]

Originally posted by killramos
Good news, over in 2addicts they are saying this is an m235i promo drift video. Could be true considering it has the same 18" rims.

That'd be lame. :(

[killramos]

Here is the source for that rendering. It's acknowledged as fake. Cut up from an m5 and m4.

http://www.bmwblog.com/2014/03/25/bmw-m2-look-like/

[BavarianBeast]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2


i dont, the 1m is rowdy, the m2 won't be. It will be a great car but not savage like the 1m.

Explain how the 1M is a savage?

It's a tuned N54, big fucking deal.

[Sugarphreak]

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[J.M.]

Originally posted by BavarianBeast


Explain how the 1M is a savage?

It's a tuned N54, big fucking deal.

u mad

[KRyn]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Ahhhh, M3 owners :rofl:



Originally posted by J.M.


u mad




:rofl: :rofl:

[A2VR6]

Originally posted by BavarianBeast


Explain how the 1M is a savage?

It's a tuned N54, big fucking deal.

I guess the suspension with all the M3 bits doesnt mean anything eh? :rolleyes:

[BavarianBeast]

Comparing an E46 M3 to a E92 M3, I would say the E92 is savage.

Comparing the E82 M1 to the F20 M2, there is nothign savage about that.

[killramos]

Originally posted by BavarianBeast
Comparing an E46 M3 to a E92 M3, I would say the E92 is savage.

Comparing the E82 M1 to the F20 M2, there is nothign savage about that.

The shorter wheelbase has a lot to do with it as well as the torque and power to weight.

No one is calling your m3 a sissy car, but the 1m is savage. EVERYONE says this.

Not to mention manual only, less nannies etc.

M2 will likely be much softer due to how the m235i and/or the F series is... Even on the new m3/4.

[A2VR6]

Originally posted by BavarianBeast
Comparing an E46 M3 to a E92 M3, I would say the E92 is savage.

Comparing the E82 M1 to the F20 M2, there is nothign savage about that.


IMHO there is nothing "Savage" about a E9X M3 at all...

[AudiPWR]

^ line up with BB at a light, he will show you how savage they can be.

[rage2]

Savage isn't really the right word. The 1M is a drift car, while other M cars are precision track cars. That's where the difference is, and what makes the 1M so special. Who knows what the M2 will be like.

[killramos]

Originally posted by AudiPWR
^ line up with BB at a light, he will show you how savage they can be.

His car is also not stock... Which changes the scales a bit. The s65 can be very tame (due to low torque and high rpm) when breathing atmosphere.

[CSMRX7]

Originally posted by killramos


His car is also not stock... Which changes the scales a bit. The s65 can be very tame (due to low torque and high rpm) when breathing atmosphere.

It is still pretty tame with a SC as it just shifts the curves instead of changing the shape which is what makes it such a good upgraded.

That being said, although the 1M had a "non-M" engine it was still a very special car. I would imagine that a 2M will affect the value some but I still think it will be in high demand and then prop up the prices quite a bit compared to say the M3 or the upcoming 2M.

[killramos]

Originally posted by CSMRX7


It is still pretty tame with a SC as it just shifts the curves instead of changing the shape which is what makes it such a good upgraded.

That being said, although the 1M had a "non-M" engine it was still a very special car. I would imagine that a 2M will affect the value some but I still think it will be in high demand and then prop up the prices quite a bit compared to say the M3 or the upcoming 2M.

Fair enough I don't know much about the ESS system, just assumed the supercharger would have largely affected low end torque which is a lot of what I was discussing.

[LUCKYSTRIKE]

From what I have read, all the rumors point to the M2 having a tuned N55 engine. Really wish it got a dedicated engine from M division. A detuned S55 would have been nice.

Just rumors thought, guess we will find out tomorrow!

[killramos]

Originally posted by LUCKYSTRIKE
From what I have read, all the rumors point to the M2 having a tuned N55 engine. Really wish it got a dedicated engine from M division. A detuned S55 would have been nice.

Just rumors thought, guess we will find out tomorrow!

I was thinking S55 with a single turbo ( maybe twin scroll?) though that might not be to different from the N55...

[A2VR6]

Originally posted by AudiPWR
^ line up with BB at a light, he will show you how savage they can be.

No doubt the ESS kit is fast but like CMSRX7, even with the S/C the power is still very linear and smooth, not my idea of savage.

Im not saying that not savage = slow btw

[killramos]

False alarm, they were teasing this drift video:

http://m-power.com/_open/b/varlink1.jsp?lang=en&x=3208

If someone wants to link it feel free, don't have the new grey from my cell phone.

[Commanderwiggin]

Originally posted by BavarianBeast
Comparing an E46 M3 to a E92 M3, I would say the E92 is savage.

Comparing the E82 M1 to the F20 M2, there is nothign savage about that.

Comparing an E46 M3 to a E92 M3 stock for stock (DCT or 6MT) the E92 is soft and fat.

Now compare an E46 M3 Turbo to an E92 M3 SC and again you see another level of amazing from the E46...there is a reason I have not bought an E92.

Comparing an E92 M3 DCT to an F82 M4 DCT stock for stock the M4 is a savage beast; there is no comparison.

A 1M is stiffer than an E92 M3 and more comparable to the E46 M3 other than the fact the 1M looks weak. The F80 M3/F82 M4 is stiffer than all of them and looks amazing...albeit looks a bit fat still like the E92 M3.

The S65 motor is awesome and really belongs in a 1M to be honest but the N54/N55 motor is nothing close to the S65 or even the S55. The S55 is on a different wavelength of awesome and once any of you guys drive one on the track you will see.

I'm hoping the technology in the M2 will be similar to the M3/M4 S55 to help eliminate the piggish lag in the N54/N55 and that they will keep it stiff like the F80 M3/F82 M4 as well...which is stiffer than the 1M.

You can already Flash Tune the F80 M3/F82 M4 as the encryption keys have been leaked which will put it above any modded N54/N55 car.

[colinxx235]

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Yah your HPF M3 is on a level above beast from all the reviews/videos I have seen over the years. I have never had the pleasure to sit in or drive one, but the numbers it puts down are insane.

Going through those forums on the M4 with the JB tune were very surprising what it delivered with a quick tune. But you will most likely never have the ceiling that the HPF kit gave to the e46. That aside, I'm sure a new M4 tuned with a few goodies will be an absolute blast to drive

[BavarianBeast]

Soft, no. Fat, yeah sure.

Stock for stock, the E92 M3 is 30 seconds faster around the ring than the E46.

IMO it's pretty evident which car is savage in comparison.

I'll just leave this here.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpwGeNUZVD4

[benyl]

Originally posted by BavarianBeast
Soft, no. Fat, yeah sure.

Stock for stock, the E92 M3 is 30 seconds faster around the ring than the E46.

IMO it's pretty evident which car is savage in comparison.

I'll just leave this here.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpwGeNUZVD4

What is your definition of savage?

The E46 is raw. The E92, no where close. The E92 has nearly 90 more horsepower. If it wasn't faster, something would be wrong.

[killramos]

This is what this thread arguing feels like to me:

http://treasure.diylol.com/uploads/post/image/216904/resized_dwight-schrute-meme-generator-question-which-bear-is-best-false-black-bear-ea360e.jpg

:drama:

[Sugarphreak]

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[killramos]

An r8 is also pretty fast around the ring but no one would call it savage btw...

[SkiBum5.0]

Have we heard if the M Driving people are coming to Alberta yet? Usually they have events where you can drive the new car (F80/82).

On another note - saw a Yas Marina Blue sedan downtown - really like the colour but I think they are going to be everywhere due to it being a launch colour.

[roopi]

Savage? Raw? :rofl:

[CSMRX7]

I think the as far as rawness goes each generation of M car has been less raw than the previous. Honestly most of that progression has been a good thing as M Cars are generally focused as street cars that perform amazingly well on a track. So there is a balance of speed and comfort.

Raw and savage are two different things.

A GTR is pretty savage but I wouldn't call it raw.
An S2000 sure isn't savage but it is pretty raw for a modern car.

Hopefully the M2 being the smaller car will be a bit more raw than the new M3/M4.

[Commanderwiggin]

A GTR isn't savage nor raw...it's a precision instrument meant for going fast...it has no feel...even at 1100hp it's boring.

An S2000 is fun and raw.

The new F82 M4 is fun, savage, raw...w/e you want to call it...just a wicked car. You take a corner at 140km/h and you feel connected and you say hey...I can drive even faster next lap.

Drove the F80 and F82 back to back...F82 is better as all the BMW DTM/Professional drivers I was with attested to. Not mind blowingly different but definitely noticeable in feel.

And yes the E92 M3 is faster stock than an E46 M3...I should hope it is with 2 extra cylinders but the feel is like others have said...soft. It's a great daily driver I will agree to that but nothing I would want to daily drive with the shitty MPG it gets lol.

My E46 gets like 26mpg on the highway still...and an F82 M4 may be in my future if it ever comes in red lol.

I want the M2 to be good...so we will see. I think the M2 with an S55 in it would be epic.

[Commanderwiggin]

Originally posted by colinxx235
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Yah your HPF M3 is on a level above beast from all the reviews/videos I have seen over the years. I have never had the pleasure to sit in or drive one, but the numbers it puts down are insane.

Going through those forums on the M4 with the JB tune were very surprising what it delivered with a quick tune. But you will most likely never have the ceiling that the HPF kit gave to the e46. That aside, I'm sure a new M4 tuned with a few goodies will be an absolute blast to drive

Thanks man, it's not even close to HPF anymore with the exception of the exhaust manifold/intercooler. Everything else has been upgraded now.

This is a nice video recently at only 20psi and about 800rwhp...full tilt is around 26psi at 900rwhp:
http://youtu.be/aUA-ygldLSo

The new M4 JB tune has made great power but I'd rather go with the flash tune...doesn't trick the ecu and will likely yield more reliability.

The JB tune likely was tuned directly to make a lot more power aggressively. I've met both tuners directly...I can attest the flash tune is very conservative.

[CSMRX7]

It's interesting we have different views on what savage is. The GTR isn't what I would call a precise instrument. Precise instruments respond well to finese. I would call a GT3 a precise instrument.

The E90/E92 gets better MPG with a SC so the SC is solely for improving daily driveability :)

[Sugarphreak]

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[BavarianBeast]

Originally posted by CSMRX7
It's interesting we have different views on what savage is. The GTR isn't what I would call a precise instrument. Precise instruments respond well to finese. I would call a GT3 a precise instrument.

The E90/E92 gets better MPG with a SC so the SC is solely for improving daily driveability :)

When I think of savage, I think of something that most regular people would have trouble driving to the limits. You don't need much skill to push a stock GTR to it's limits around a track, but you do need quite a bit of skill to push a Z06 to its limits around the track. That in my mind makes it savage..

I managed to pull in 32MPG on the way to Kelowna with mine, and I was driving fairly hard!

Commanderwiggin - Maybe you need to do some research on fuel consumption...

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/20603.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/29709.shtml

[LUCKYSTRIKE]

I blame Ryan. He drops the word "savage" and all of a sudden we got an uprising on our hands!

[Disoblige]

Never really used the term savage for a car before.

This is the only time I use the word:
http://www.pwmania.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/legendof-wwe-randy-savage4-e1337554702535-277x300.jpg

[Redlyne_mr2]

haha.. maybe its because my 1m was modded almost right from the get go that its savage in my mind. There wasn't a point to driving that car with the traction control on otherwise it was always coming on. The direct feel of the transmission, the hard hitting n54, the mechanical lsd, the awesome brakes and short wheel base make the car feel so different than anything anybody offers today in a vehicle. The e9X m3 are amazing but they're easy to drive fast and dont scare you like the 1m does.

[Commanderwiggin]

Originally posted by BavarianBeast


When I think of savage, I think of something that most regular people would have trouble driving to the limits. You don't need much skill to push a stock GTR to it's limits around a track, but you do need quite a bit of skill to push a Z06 to its limits around the track. That in my mind makes it savage..

I managed to pull in 32MPG on the way to Kelowna with mine, and I was driving fairly hard!

Commanderwiggin - Maybe you need to do some research on fuel consumption...

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/20603.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/noframes/29709.shtml

If you got 32mpg with a S/C on an E92 M3 you are fucking high.

[benyl]

Imperial gallon?

[rage2]

Most likely bigger injectors and a revised tune to inject a much lower pulse width confusing the on board computer.

[benyl]

If he is using the onboard computer, I take the values with a grain of salt. Modded or not. onboard computers are notoriously optimistic.

[Commanderwiggin]

I like it when I ask my friends who have ESS Supercharger kits on their E92's...

"My 2013 M3 has 20,000 miles and 19,200 have been supercharged. Averages 14mph daily driving. About 17-18 at most highway and 10 around town. Driving it hard maybe 5mpg at best."

"Hahahahaa that's total bullshit! Stock was 12-14mpg so you can guess what it is supercharged. You can watch the needle going down"

And someone in the ESS world you might be familiar with BavarianBeast:
DLSJ5: "Total BS"

[cam_wmh]

Originally posted by rage2
Most likely bigger injectors and a revised tune to inject a much lower pulse width confusing the on board computer.
Yep, agree.

Originally posted by benyl
If he is using the onboard computer, I take the values with a grain of salt. Modded or not. onboard computers are notoriously optimistic.
And agree with this too.

Not nearly the same animal as your guys cars, but my Turbo'd R, would show 25mpg, when driving I-15. Even when out of boost, but I'm thinking the injectors are the culprits.
(stock a normally aspirated car, to then after-market force induced)

As I had lots of time to think during that drive, I later realized/calculated that those figures are hogwash.

[CSMRX7]

Originally posted by Commanderwiggin
I like it when I ask my friends who have ESS Supercharger kits on their E92's...

"My 2013 M3 has 20,000 miles and 19,200 have been supercharged. Averages 14mph daily driving. About 17-18 at most highway and 10 around town. Driving it hard maybe 5mpg at best."

"Hahahahaa that's total bullshit! Stock was 12-14mpg so you can guess what it is supercharged. You can watch the needle going down"

And someone in the ESS world you might be familiar with BavarianBeast:
DLSJ5: "Total BS"

32mpg even imperial would be mind blowing. I probably get around the 12-14mpg in town with the SC, but I don't drive like a douche.

[BavarianBeast]

Well it is the onboard computer that was telling me 32mpg. If I reset it in the city and drive around it will read about 16-18 after a week or so.

After doing some thinking & calculations though, the number appears to be quite off haha.

I made it from Calgary to Revelstoke on about 3/4 tank which is about 255 miles.

Seeing as the M3 tank is 17 gal, I would of burned 12.8 gal in 255 miles making my consumption around 20mpg.

My bad for trusting technology.

[A2VR6]

Originally posted by CSMRX7


32mpg even imperial would be mind blowing. I probably get around the 12-14mpg in town with the SC, but I don't drive like a douche.

12-14 mpg and thats better than stock? wow...

Im averaging around 18.5 US mpg in town... if the SC is better on fuel, i'd like to see what I could be capable of...

[CSMRX7]

Originally posted by A2VR6


12-14 mpg and thats better than stock? wow...

Im averaging around 18.5 US mpg in town... if the SC is better on fuel, i'd like to see what I could be capable of...

Car is mostly used to go to and from work, and lots of in town, traffic light to traffic light kinda stuff. Wider and stickier tires don't help either. I know that people running PSS usually see better MPG than those running AD08/RE11/PSC.

On the highway I averaged around 23mpg driving from Calgary to Whitefish which is mountain roads with lots of passing.