"Savage" Cars

[Sugarphreak]

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[DeleriousZ]

race cars are pretty savage.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Kind of an extension of the M2 thread; what are some of the cars out there that should be considered as absolutely "Savage"... and why?


When I think "Savage", I think unrefined and gritty.... like maybe that 600hp Hellcat Charger.

A savage car should have too much HP to keep the wheels on the ground, and a suspension that's not even close to making it controllable during maneuvering.

Like the Hellcat, or a Hennessy Viper. Not sure there's a modern BMW that would fit that category.

edit: I do remember having a similar argument on Beyond years ago, when someone said how much "raw power" a B18C engine had, lol.

[CSMRX7]

Since we completely derailed the M2 thread I will continue over here. When I think of a savage car I think of one that likes to be man handled, and beats you up too.

I think the Z06 and Viper are probably two of the most obvious choices for me based on what I have driven and experienced.

I know I said the GTR in the other thread and I stand by that, although I don't have much seat time in a stock one. They are loud, rough, fast, and respond well to being thrown around a bit.

[Sugarphreak]

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[CSMRX7]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok



edit: I do remember having a similar argument on Beyond years ago, when someone said how much "raw power" a S2000 had, lol.

That is the perfect comment since the argument stemmed from the definition or raw vs savage.

The S2000 is raw imo, but I think raw power probably was suppose to have a different implication.

[xnvy]

I'd have to agree with Sugarphreak's definition of savage. Generally a car that is unrefined and a handful, possibly likely to kill you. Like the Widowmaker 930 911.

I think a savage car should be analog or as close to that as regulations allow. So like the SRT Viper. The GTR seems like computers do lots of the work for you, which takes away from the savagery.

[Sugarphreak]

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[CSMRX7]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
I think the GTR looks and sounds savage, but it is a smoke screen for what is actually going on inside the car

I also agree with Tik-Tok, I don't think BMW really has a car that can be considered as savage

I agree with the GTR statement. It likes to be thrown around and feels like it will rip your face off but not likely to throw you in the ditch.

I don't think BMW has really ever had a savage car. They are all more precision tools (except maybe the 1M), and forgiving too.

I think another really savage car is the porsche 930. Maybe not the massive HP on todays standards but they didn't call it the widowmaker for nothing.

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by xnvy
I'd have to agree with Sugarphreak's definition of savage. Generally a car that is unrefined and a handful, possibly likely to kill you. Like the Widowmaker 930 911.

I think a savage car should be analog or as close to that as regulations allow. So like the SRT Viper. The GTR seems like computers do lots of the work for you, which takes away from the savagery.


I agree. Definitely a car that's too powerful for its suspension and steering. Like those beautiful and evil Vipers.

[rage2]

My HPF M3 was savage. It made Mibz cry.

[xnvy]

I think another candidate could be the 2nd Gen t/c MR2's. If you're not used to them, every time you successfully take a highway off-ramp you come away feeling like you just cheated death.

EDIT: The Hellcat is savage as evidenced by the title of this ARTICLE. (http://jalopnik.com/im-amazed-i-didnt-die-driving-the-hellcat-on-track-1609828407)

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by Unknown303



I agree. Definitely a car that's too powerful for its suspension and steering. Like those beautiful and evil Vipers.

I also agree, "savage" to me means a vehicle with so much aggressive power it overwhelms everything the engine is bolted to. Vipers, Street Hemis, Hellcats, lots of factory stuff falls under that label. 400HP going to the front wheels in your Civic? Yeah, that's pretty savage, too.


All this car-adjective talk reminds me of a quote I read the other day:

You could put five dozen men in a house made entirely of brown corduroy and maybe one of them would call it “drab,” but put those same men on a car-review website and they not only say “the dashboard’s drab,” they’ll say, “No one in their right mind puts all those buttons on a steering wheel! It’s too busy. It made me want to cry.”

Yes, they’ll rage about a car manufacturer no longer offering a manual option but they’ll also say, “I’d have named it the JU-35. For Just Ugly” and, “I tried to look at the interior on the manufacture’s website but I kept falling asleep.”

Hello, Oscar Wilde, you gearhead. Nice to meet you.

[Sugarphreak]

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[Mibz]

By all the definitions here, the SRT-4 Neon falls into this category, haha.

Too much power for the wheels to handle and a suspension that renders the car nigh-uncontrollable. No nannies, no electronic assists. Grrr, so savage.

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Anything TVR

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[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo
Anything TVR

/thread

Only because a TVR will likely break something while you're trying to corner, and throw you into a roll :rofl:

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by Twin_Cam_Turbo
Anything TVR

/thread

Powerful TVRs are savage as hell, but I'd put the 427SC above them on the savagery scale. It's a car built for lunatics, by lunatics.

http://i.imgur.com/qZw3h4K.jpg

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Also a super 7 on cold tires is pretty savage in my opinion.

[killramos]

I think the new gt500 is pretty savage.

I feel like you are defining something that requires restraint and a continuous concious effort to control. If you are daily driving it it probably isn't savage.

Ferrari F50 also comes to mind.

[Mitsu3000gt]

When I think "Savage" I think of older Lambos, cars like the Konigsegg, SLS Black series, 911 GT2, Ferrari F12, and generally cars with way too much HP that is difficult to put to the ground or overwhelming the chassis in some way.

An M3 doesn't really come to mind at all when I think "savage" haha, maybe if it had 2-3X the power.

[sr20s14zenki]

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[Redlyne_mr2]

Love this thread!

Most modded fd rx7's

[VWEvo]

Honestly, my m5 with in Sport + mode and all the electronic aids turned off is a pretty scary car. Keep in mind mine is a manual so there is a lot going on trying to keep 560 hp in control. I'm not saying its a super savage car, but I do think certain BMW's are still pretty scary, specifically the manual ones.

[94boosted]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
When I think "Savage" I think of older Lambos, cars like the Konigsegg, SLS Black series, 911 GT2, Ferrari F12, and generally cars with way too much HP that is difficult to put to the ground or overwhelming the chassis in some way.



:werd: I've always been a bit frightened of GT2's

[sputnik]

http://image.rodandcustommagazine.com/f/featuredvehicles/1010rc_1932_ford_five_window_coupe/33953076/1010rc_01_o%2B1932_ford_five_window_coupe%2Bbonneville_salt_flats.jpg

[kenny]

Originally posted by Mibz
By all the definitions here, the SRT-4 Neon falls into this category, haha.

Too much power for the wheels to handle and a suspension that renders the car nigh-uncontrollable. No nannies, no electronic assists. Grrr, so savage.

So is my civic savage? raw? or just a POS? :rofl:

[rage2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQnAxOQxQIU

Not very savage.

[benyl]

Originally posted by rage2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQnAxOQxQIU

Not very savage.

I feel like I just got rickrolled.

[Mibz]

Originally posted by kenny
So is my civic savage? raw? or just a POS? :rofl: The only thing savage about your Civic is the effort required to U-turn in a community.

[rage2]

Originally posted by benyl
I feel like I just got rickrolled.
My job here is done.

[SkiBum5.0]

I'm going to agree with earlier posters on cars where the motor has overwhelmed the chassis. GT500 and Hellcat come to find although the Challenger's wheelbase is really long which may temper it a bit.

Short wheelbases + lots of power = savage. Maybe that's why the 1M got grouped into "savage?"

[gpomp]

This is savage

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/ess-supercharged-2008-bmw-m3-6mt-coupe-e92/1006573727

[rage2]

Originally posted by SkiBum5.0
Short wheelbases + lots of power = savage. Maybe that's why the 1M got grouped into "savage?"
My old SLK32 had a shorter wheelbase, more power, less grip, and it wasn't savage. The 1M just has a fun biased suspension setup so it doesn't take much to drive like a total jackass.

I blame Ryan for misusing the term. :)

[Euro_Trash]

Carrera GT

[faiz999]

91/92 dodge viper

[msommers]

Some of those tunershops' 1000HP Skylines come to mind.

[DeleriousZ]

Originally posted by Euro_Trash
Carrera GT

This. Raw, brutal, takes a ton of skill to control. And that exhaust note :drool:

[shakalaka]

Jeremy Clarkson seemed to think the C63 was pretty savage when he reviewed it. "You don't drive this car, you hold on to it for your dear life". Didn't he say that or something along the lines?

[ercchry]

Originally posted by shakalaka
Jeremy Clarkson seemed to think the C63 was pretty savage when he reviewed it. "You don't drive this car, you hold on to it for your dear life". Didn't he say that or something along the lines?

wasnt that the clk63?

[Neil4Speed]

Early 1970's 911 Turbos were supposedly quite savage, fondly named "Widowmakers"

[shakalaka]

Originally posted by ercchry


wasnt that the clk63?

No it was the C63. First he says, 'this is not a car, it's a complete animal.' Then he says, 'you don't drive this car, you cling on to it for your dear life'.

It was the episode where they compared it to the M3 and a RS4.

[ercchry]

eh, its been a while BUT he does call the clk63 BS savage :rofl:

http://www.streetfire.net/video/149-top-gear-clk-63-amg-black_181046.htm

[rage2]

I will agree that the clk63 was savage. It didn't really have too much power for the chassis but it sure is scary to drive on the road course with traction off.

[01RedDX]

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[g-m]

yea that RX-7 is awesome. I know a guy who had an LS1 + T56 in an FC who came on a car cruise with us the day after it was finished and put it in a ravine in the west kootenays that same day. Luckily he had a spare shell...

[KRyn]

Does this qualify?

?v=7uPPxK6VrZE

[flipstah]

Originally posted by Neil4Speed
Early 1970's 911 Turbos were supposedly quite savage, fondly named "Widowmakers"

QFT.

To me, a savage car is purely mechanical and requires the full attention of the driver. It doesn't have to be that powerful; so long as it can kill you.

You can slack off a modern car nowadays but do it in an old 911 and you'll be wrapped around the pole.

What about the MR2 with the snap oversteer?

[01RedDX]

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[Aleks]

Originally posted by gpomp
This is savage

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/calgary/ess-supercharged-2008-bmw-m3-6mt-coupe-e92/1006573727

No, this is.

http://images.starpulse.com/pictures/2013/03/25/previews/Fred%20Savage2-20130325-6.jpg

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by Aleks


No, this is.


Can't ever look at him without thinking "what happened to his mole?", before I facepalm myself. :rofl:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e89/a_kent711/AustinPowers_Mole.jpg

[flipstah]

No, this is.

http://img.blog.zdn.vn/5800826.jpg

:(

[n1zm0]

I thought this thread was going to be about this Dutch sports car:


The car has a 6.2 liter V8 engine with a supercharger that is in the front. It has rear-wheel drive and an automatic 6-speed transmission .
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The Savage Rivale is the only one of its kind, a four-door convertible coupe: "the only four by topless on demand supercar in the world".


http://www.savagerivale.nl/

http://www.autoviva.com/img/photos/447/big_96447.jpg

http://www.diseno-art.com/images_3/Bewerp_Savage_Rivale_Roadyacht_GTS_outside_large.jpg

http://autoworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/savage-rivale-roadyacht-gts-img_1.jpg


Originally posted by flipstah
No, this is.

http://img.blog.zdn.vn/5800826.jpg

:(

RIP
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/E-qE6TIZluk/hqdefault.jpg

[riander5]

Originally posted by shakalaka
Jeremy Clarkson seemed to think the C63 was pretty savage when he reviewed it. "You don't drive this car, you hold on to it for your dear life". Didn't he say that or something along the lines?

We get that you love your c63 but only guy in thread to call his own car out as savage :rofl:

[shakalaka]

I think if you read what I said again, it says Jeremy Clarkson called it savage. I never expressed what I think about it personally. I would have said that even if I didn't own the car considering the subject of the thread.

PS: I am still not saying what I think about it. ;)