Cars with low miles?

[old&slow]

Some times it actually makes me nervous to see cars at used car dealerships
cause I think they been rolled back. Can a 2011 BMW be rolled bacK?
Also, how much room to move do dealerships, like BMW gallery, have to move on used cars? I always thought they had much more room than a new car? What can I expect from a 42K price tag?

[roopi]

I have a 2012 Mercedes with 2400kms on it. :rofl: Maybe some people buy cars when they don't need to and they just sit there. :dunno:

[old&slow]

If I was buying from a one owner person that would be much different. It's the dealers who I dont trust and for good reason. I know from personal experience some cars can be fixed but that was a long time ago.
ANy way I was just offered a 2012 335i coupe for 39800 all in. price tag was 42,900.
Is that reasonable???

[realazy]

It's not impossible, but it's not as simple as swapping clusters as the odometer data isn't only stored in the cluster.

It shows an error if the mileage doesn't match between the cluster and the car.

[roopi]

Can't comment on your offer but as for dealers. I think you're pretty safe if you're dealing with larger dealers and not just used lots. This is all my opinion though.

[realazy]

Originally posted by old&slow
If I was buying from a one owner person that would be much different. It's the dealers who I dont trust and for good reason. I know from personal experience some cars can be fixed but that was a long time ago.
ANy way I was just offered a 2012 335i coupe for 39800 all in. price tag was 42,900.
Is that reasonable???

What options are on it? What's the kms?

Audiophile? Navi? M sport? 19" rims?

[old&slow]

M Sport, Executive Package, including navigation, voice control, parking sensors, satellite radio, heated seats with lumbar support, comfort access, alarm system, and more. CARPROOF CLEAN, NO ACCIDENTS.

This BMW 335i xDrive has a 330 HP inline 6 cylinder engine with an 8 speed automatic transmission. It is both efficient and powerful, with excellent balance and handling, in addition to intelligent all wheel drive, making it a sports car for all conditions. It has plenty of factory warranty, plus we offer a variety of options for extending warranty coverage, and financing is available up to 84 months OAC.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Have you gone online to see how the car is priced amongst other ones for sale? Its next to impossible to manipulate the odo on a modern BMW, it's also highly illegal. This isn't 1991 bud, you don't see much odo. manipulation anymore.

[Mitsu3000gt]

I wouldn't worry about roll backs too much these days. It's usually pretty easy to tell if the mileage matches the condition just by looking at it. You shouldn't be buying anything without a mechanical inspection anyway.

Used cars at high end dealers like BMW usually have crazy markup. I've seen them $10K above the private market, depending on what you're looking for. Some people just need the peace of mind (real or imagined) that comes from buying from a dealer. Certified cars are great (warranty) but you pay a huge amount for it. Sometimes you can't help it, but I avoid buying from dealers whenever possible. Markup + GST adds a huge amount of unnecessary expense to the cost in most cases.

There is a ton of room to move on a $42K car at BMW, at least based on my experience, but you may not get much of it. I'd be surprised if they paid more than $30-35k for that car on a trade or from auction.

I drive 5000-6000 km/year. My car just rolled past 30,000kms. I have a mental block at 100,000 KM and would never touch a used car anywhere near that, but I realize I might be in the minority on that one. I just find that KM's impact a car's condition more than anything, and the premium for low KM cars is never that much, so I don't even bother looking at high KM cars.

[Disoblige]

This car?
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/edmonton/2012-bmw-335i-xdrive-coupe/1012507000?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

lol @ the 2 spoilers and M badge.

[old&slow]

The car in question has 29K on it. Has balance of warranty.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
I wouldn't worry about roll backs too much these days. It's usually pretty easy to tell if the mileage matches the condition just by looking at it. You shouldn't be buying anything without a mechanical inspection anyway.

Used cars at high end dealers like BMW usually have crazy markup. I've seen them $10K above the private market, depending on what you're looking for. Some people just need the peace of mind (real or imagined) that comes from buying from a dealer. Certified cars are great (warranty) but you pay a huge amount for it. Sometimes you can't help it, but I avoid buying from dealers whenever possible. Markup + GST adds a huge amount of unnecessary expense to the cost in most cases.

There is a ton of room to move on a $42K car at BMW, at least based on my experience, but you may not get much of it. I'd be surprised if they paid more than $30-35k for that car on a trade or from auction.

I drive 5000-6000 km/year. My car just rolled past 30,000kms. I have a mental block at 100,000 KM and would never touch a used car anywhere near that, but I realize I might be in the minority on that one. I just find that KM's impact a car's condition more than anything, and the premium for low KM cars is never that much, so I don't even bother looking at high KM cars.

Little bit of mis-information bud :)
The average used car profit at a bmw dealer is $1700 - $2200. A 42K asking price would have been bought for $32-35K. There is a huge amount of warranty costs and reconditioning costs involved to certify a BMW. Before the dealer has cleaned the car and put gas in it there is an average of $4500 to cpo. The used car business for bmw dealers is a tough gig.

[old&slow]

Yeah I'm not sure whats up with the M badge. Spoiler is kinda weird as well...but at least is low and is the last thing you will see...:)

[Sugarphreak]

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[silvercivicsir]

My 2012 Subaru Forester has 3846 kms .. She likes to stay in the garage where it's safe..

[mrsingh]

And I am on the opposite end of the spectrum, my 2013 Lexus bought last spring already has 38,000 kms on it lol. :thumbsup:

OP I wouldn't worry too much about odometer rollback these days, especially through a major dealer. Looks like a nice car!

[Twin_Cam_Turbo]

Originally posted by old&slow
Some times it actually makes me nervous to see cars at used car dealerships
cause I think they been rolled back. Can a 2011 BMW be rolled bacK?
Also, how much room to move do dealerships, like BMW gallery, have to move on used cars? I always thought they had much more room than a new car? What can I expect from a 42K price tag?

Back in December 2011 I bought my 135i (September 2008 in service date, 14500km on it) from Calgary BMW, they were asking $41k+tax and I paid just over $36k all in.

Depends on the car and what the dealer paid but there's always room to move on pretty much any car.

[clem24]

Originally posted by Disoblige
This car?
http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/edmonton/2012-bmw-335i-xdrive-coupe/1012507000?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

lol @ the 2 spoilers and M badge.

HA typical BMW steering wheel wear.. 9 and 3 positions are *MINT*.

:rofl:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A0WeJinIWvA/TitHVTRvNrI/AAAAAAAAEAo/EZd7Vc946to/s1600/Gangsta.jpg

Nice looking car though. I do like the M kit despite the user tacked on M badge. Also that car is 6MT, not auto. The specs paragraph is also a mismash of shit - 335s make 300HP, and only the Fxx have the 8 speed auto. I don't recall any 335 with 330HP quoted as the HP figure - even the 335is was 320 IIRC. Kinda sad coming from a BMW dealer.

[Strider]

Originally posted by clem24

... only the Fxx have the 8 speed auto. I don't recall any 335 with 330HP quoted as the HP figure - even the 335is was 320...

Must've copied the description from an F30 M-Performance Edition... 326hp

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2


Little bit of mis-information bud :)
The average used car profit at a bmw dealer is $1700 - $2200. A 42K asking price would have been bought for $32-35K. There is a huge amount of warranty costs and reconditioning costs involved to certify a BMW. Before the dealer has cleaned the car and put gas in it there is an average of $4500 to cpo. The used car business for bmw dealers is a tough gig.

That's more money than I thought you'd put into the average car, but I was right about the dealer cost. How is it $4500+ per car just to certify? Obviously you would know, but I'm really surprised that it's that high. It's super easy to find a used car that doesn't immediately need anywhere near $4500+ of work on it. What if you get a really good sample?

[old&slow]

Originally posted by clem24


HA typical BMW steering wheel wear.. 9 and 3 positions are *MINT*.

:rofl:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-A0WeJinIWvA/TitHVTRvNrI/AAAAAAAAEAo/EZd7Vc946to/s1600/Gangsta.jpg

Nice looking car though. I do like the M kit despite the user tacked on M badge. Also that car is 6MT, not auto. The specs paragraph is also a mismash of shit - 335s make 300HP, and only the Fxx have the 8 speed auto. I don't recall any 335 with 330HP quoted as the HP figure - even the 335is was 320 IIRC. Kinda sad coming from a BMW dealer.

Yes I was aware of these issues that they messed up
Been researching for a couple weeks. I got 3500.00 off the sticker price
I have commited to the sale. Wish me luck on my first BMW!

[roopi]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt


That's more money than I thought you'd put into the average car, but I was right about the dealer cost. How is it $4500+ per car just to certify? Obviously you would know, but I'm really surprised that it's that high. It's super easy to find a used car that doesn't immediately need anywhere near $4500+ of work on it. What if you get a really good sample?

They charge full shop/labour rates to certify so they can make a profit on that as well? :dunno: