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Env-Consultant

08-23-2014, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by FullFledgedYYC
Tip: The best price is the price you will buy the vehicle at that is a reasonable offer. Anyone who comes to me and says "whats your best price" doesn't get the best deal. Tell me what you want to pay, I'll try to make that happen.

If you don't want to dick around, give me a number.

Tip: The best price is the price I can get from a salesman.

Not my first rodeo - I know the shady tricks they try and I was trying to find a decent Chevy guy that I don't have to waste my time with. Took a certified check to a dealership for my last truck - told them to either cash it or I'd be in wihin 2 days to pick it up. They didn't cash it. Got a new one, new dealership, cashed, done. .

corsvette

08-24-2014, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by Env-Consultant

Tip: The best price is the price I can get from a salesman.

Not my first rodeo - I know the shady tricks they try and I was trying to find a decent Chevy guy that I don't have to waste my time with. Took a certified check to a dealership for my last truck - told them to either cash it or I'd be in wihin 2 days to pick it up. They didn't cash it. Got a new one, new dealership, cashed, done. .

Offer cost plus 2%........leaves about $1100 in gross on a 55k truck. Good place to start I think.

I hate some of the BS run around crap at dealerships too. There are eight GM dealerships in and around Calgary, every single one has a ton of trucks in stock, we're not dealing with a new C7 here. if you want my business YOU will give me the best price. Fuck...why do they have to play the "I don't know my best price, what will you pay" It screams old school car salesman shady to me.

gyromonkey

08-24-2014, 09:39 AM

Southgate is good

FullFledgedYYC

08-25-2014, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by corsvette

Offer cost plus 2%........leaves about $1100 in gross on a 55k truck. Good place to start I think.

I hate some of the BS run around crap at dealerships too. There are eight GM dealerships in and around Calgary, every single one has a ton of trucks in stock, we're not dealing with a new C7 here. if you want my business YOU will give me the best price. Fuck...why do they have to play the "I don't know my best price, what will you pay" It screams old school car salesman shady to me.

Why? Because salesmen like to make money when they go to work. Do you go to work to make money? I would hope so.

Why would someone sell something at cost if they don't have to? Why don't you go to the grocery store and tell them you want everything at 2% above cost? Why do you pay fees to ticketmaster?

For some reason people think that the car dealers should make zero money. It's a business, they are open to make money. Shocking, I know.

Every car I have purchased I go to a dealer, do a test drive, and then tell them what I am willing to pay. If it's accepted, great, if not I will go to my absolute bottom line and if that's not accepted then I am clearly looking at the wrong car.

dirtsniffer

08-25-2014, 02:37 PM

as an industry, car sales has done this to themselves. buyers are educating themselves and it is great.

max_boost

08-25-2014, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by dirtsniffer
as an industry, car sales has done this to themselves. buyers are educating themselves and it is great.

Yup.

Dealer 1 doesn't want cost +2%

Maybe dealer 2,3,4,5,6,7 etc. will.

Plus it's just an offer, just business, you can say no haha

Xtrema

08-25-2014, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by FullFledgedYYC
Why don't you go to the grocery store and tell them you want everything at 2% above cost? Why do you pay fees to ticketmaster?

Unless you are talking about ethnic food, it is 1-3% over cost:

The average supermarket has a profit margin of about 1 percent, according to Stacey Vanek-Smith of National Public Radio. Some experts suggest this figure might be as high as 3 percent.

Ticketmaster is almost a monopoly:
http://www.trustmeimascientist.com/2013/11/04/an-inconvenient-fee-the-legacy-of-pearl-jam-vs-ticketmaster/

Find it funny that you compare yourself to them.

Not your fault though, the sales model has been around since there was dealership and cars. And the distrust has been around for just as long.

FullFledgedYYC

08-25-2014, 06:07 PM

Meh, I can understand about the whole distrust thing.... My customers love dealing with me because I simply ask them what they think is a fair price, and if it's possible, I do it. I don't play the back and forth game, I work with reasonable offers.

Does it always work? No. I once got an offer of 14k on a 21k car. That's what brands like kia and ford are for. Someone presenting that kind of offer is looking at the wrong car.

corsvette

08-25-2014, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by FullFledgedYYC
Meh, I can understand about the whole distrust thing.... My customers love dealing with me because I simply ask them what they think is a fair price, and if it's possible, I do it. I don't play the back and forth game, I work with reasonable offers.

Does it always work? No. I once got an offer of 14k on a 21k car. That's what brands like kia and ford are for. Someone presenting that kind of offer is looking at the wrong car.

Eons ago I sold Fords. One thing that always sticks in my head is the skinny profits we made on new. We usually sold F150's for $500-1200 over invoice. Diesel 3/4-1 tons made 2-4k. Taurus, escort, and all other cars basically sold at or fricking near cost. Keep in mind Ford had a dealer holdback we kept (salesman never made commish on it though)

I do feel you're pain. I hated how customers automatically think we made 10 grand on every vehicle. But our management at the dealership was awesome for giving the best kick-ass price without the mumbo jumbo back and forth smoke and mirrors negotiating. Think that why he has several dealership now, customers love to know their getting the best deal.

GM might be different than Ford....2% over invoice would have been a very acceptable offer. We made piss all on trucks, maybe that's why Ford sells so many?

FullFledgedYYC

08-25-2014, 09:56 PM

Ya, people who think we make 3 grand on a 20,000 dollar car are stellar... but, it's bound to happen, I never take it personally.

Basically what I am saying is, if you come in and ask "what's your best price?", You are not getting my best price. Period. "Well fine I'll just go somewhere else". Please do, I like dealing with customers who want to establish a good business relationship, we get along well, they are always happy, and my paycheque is fine.

If you want the BEST PRICE, make an offer, don't just ask for it and expect me to hand it out.

But... every salesperson is different. The ones who immediately give out their best price don't tend to stick around very long... good luck getting favors done if price is all you care about ;)

max_boost

08-26-2014, 02:22 PM

You seem quite uptight FullFledgedYYC lol

Env-Consultant

08-26-2014, 02:40 PM

Originally posted by FullFledgedYYC

Basically what I am saying is, if you come in and ask "what's your best price?", You are not getting my best price. Period. "Well fine I'll just go somewhere else". Please do, I like dealing with customers who want to establish a good business relationship, we get along well, they are always happy, and my paycheque is fine.

So basically if I pay your mortgage for 2-3 months instead of 1 you'll give me better service (opposed to crappy service?) and the potential for us to be friends would exisit....

Sounds like you understand the customer service side of things just swimmingly...

BrknFngrs

08-26-2014, 03:00 PM

I've got to say Fullfledged, the way you've commented in a few of these threads isn't doing you any favors. I can appreciate that car sales can be a frustrating business but you have to consider how what you're saying is being interpreted.

Env-Consultant

08-26-2014, 10:21 PM

To the guys that responded sayiing that they know a Chevy guy - pm me their details if you have them. I plan to send out an email and see what I get back - I don't want to spend 20 mins on the phone with each guy - I don't have time so $#/& during the day, can't waste time. No games. Here's what I want - give me your price - best price gets it. Basic stuff.

Thanks!

FullFledgedYYC

08-26-2014, 11:02 PM

Of course I'm uptight, it's my user title! I earned it!

But really, I love the job. Used to work in oil and gas and I have zero regrets. All I'm saying is if you truly want the best deal simply saying "what's your best price" is not going to get it.

Also, I'll warn our OP since he's doing the email thing. A dealer will say or do whatever it takes to get you in the door. I have to beat $30,500? Sure, I can do that! When can you come in?

Also, at least with my brand, some dealers are quite scummy and mask the final price. Sure it's 30,500 but when you come pick up your car you will have to a 500 dollar delivery fee or some BS. My dealer doesn't so that, and that's generally why people prefer us, we are upfront and honest, no BS.

I dunno, I just think there are better ways to get the best deal. If I was a customer today buying a car I wouldn't be emailing or calling every dealer... That's just my 2 cents. Best of luck to
OP, hopefully your experience is good!

J-D

09-10-2014, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by FullFledgedYYC
Of course I'm uptight, it's my user title! I earned it!

But really, I love the job. Used to work in oil and gas and I have zero regrets. All I'm saying is if you truly want the best deal simply saying "what's your best price" is not going to get it.

Also, I'll warn our OP since he's doing the email thing. A dealer will say or do whatever it takes to get you in the door. I have to beat $30,500? Sure, I can do that! When can you come in?

Also, at least with my brand, some dealers are quite scummy and mask the final price. Sure it's 30,500 but when you come pick up your car you will have to a 500 dollar delivery fee or some BS. My dealer doesn't so that, and that's generally why people prefer us, we are upfront and honest, no BS.

I dunno, I just think there are better ways to get the best deal. If I was a customer today buying a car I wouldn't be emailing or calling every dealer... That's just my 2 cents. Best of luck to
OP, hopefully your experience is good!

Lots of scummy dealers out there that tack on fees all over the place. When you look at the final invoice before signing and notice some bullshit "Security package" and "wheel and tire fees" along with "A/C" tax and an admin/delivery fee. It's funny how they ask you about everything else and then just throw those on the invoice - don't even know how it's legal.

No thanks. :banghead:

Sugarphreak

09-10-2014, 08:00 PM

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TomcoPDR

09-14-2014, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by Env-Consultant
Looking for a chvy salesman - want a 2014 1500 LTZ Z71 4WD Crew Cab. Could pay cash, but they have an 84 month zero percent deal on right now. End of season for the 2014s, so I expect the zero percent with a decent discount. Don't want to dick around with 5 different shady salesmen - best price, get it done, etc.

Thx

Jordan Laporte @ Davis Chevrolet Airdrie.

http://forums.beyond.ca/st/385614/review-davis-chevrolet-airdrie-jordan-laporte/

Bought a truck with your description, but I threw him a "here's the truck with features and packages I want, here's what I'm gonna pay after doing my research and had a coworker paid this amount already last wek... so take it or leave it, you work it over then get back to me" lol
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r95/Tomcompany/Past%20repairs/Random/IMG_7040_zps58360a5e.jpg~original

And I think the thing I believe the 0% 84 months financing is that; if you cash pay the purchase, you get $3,000 MORE OFF.

Kinda like the Chinese restaurant theory, the price is $50 (whether you use debit, Visa, cheque), but if you pay cash, take 10% $5 off. The technical way of making ppl feel not being charged using credit.

Resurrected RA

09-15-2014, 01:02 AM

Wayne Ivan @ Shaganappi Motors.

TomcoPDR

09-30-2014, 02:28 PM

Did you buy a truck yet OP?

Env-Consultant

09-30-2014, 03:55 PM

Not yet. I was looking at the LTZ 2LZ shortbox models - found a couple that I liked, but for 2014 models, I wasn't over-the-top impressed with the price reductions. I still have my 2010 Lariat and have been asked twice in the last month if it's a new truck (once from a contractor and once from new friends) - still in really good shape and no major mechanical issues. Might run it for the winter, tack on another 20,000 km, and buy new in the spring. Not sure if there is a point in buying new right now and running a truck like that for work + over the winter when I don't really need to.

soloracer

09-30-2014, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by Env-Consultant
Looking for a chvy salesman - want a 2014 1500 LTZ Z71 4WD Crew Cab. Could pay cash, but they have an 84 month zero percent deal on right now. End of season for the 2014s, so I expect the zero percent with a decent discount. Don't want to dick around with 5 different shady salesmen - best price, get it done, etc.

Thx

Zero percent isn't necessarily zero percent either. I had a deal on a Chev pick-up at one price. When I enquired about the zero percent financing they told me I couldn't get the negotiated price with zero percent financing. If I wanted the financing the price was about 15 points higher. I asked how it can be called "zero percent" financing when in reality they are jacking the price of the truck up effectively getting all their interest up front. Didn't get much of an answer about it. Needless to say, I walked away from the deal. Now when I hear guys saying they got zero percent financing all I can think of is "sucker"

Env-Consultant

09-30-2014, 11:09 PM

Originally posted by soloracer

Zero percent isn't necessarily zero percent either. I had a deal on a Chev pick-up at one price. When I enquired about the zero percent financing they told me I couldn't get the negotiated price with zero percent financing. If I wanted the financing the price was about 15 points higher. I asked how it can be called "zero percent" financing when in reality they are jacking the price of the truck up effectively getting all their interest up front. Didn't get much of an answer about it. Needless to say, I walked away from the deal. Now when I hear guys saying they got zero percent financing all I can think of is "sucker"

Agreed. I knew this going into it, but I expected them to say Okay... we'll give you the same price with 0%. Didn't happen - they gave me an OTD price for cash, and OTD price with 60 mo financing, and an OTD price with 84 mo financing. That was actually the reason for the loss of the sale. I understand cash flows, interest, present value, etc. but when you're trying to clear out inventory, you have to make some concessions. Interest charges for example....hidden or not....

Env-Consultant

10-25-2014, 04:02 PM

http://s28.postimg.org/ky0zwm8y5/IMG_2497_Copy.jpg

http://s28.postimg.org/r3xupmdhp/IMG_2484.jpg

Done. Ended up with a 2015 LTZ w/ 2LZ 1500 Silverado Crew Cab from Adams Chevrolet in Wetaskiwin. I dealt with Adrian from there - he gave me a lower price, through email, for the 2015 model than any of the 2014 model prices I received in Calgary (I spoke to basically every dealer in the city). Ended up adding a 2" leveling kit to the front, as well as some P275/65R20 Duratracs. Lucked out and they had the exact truck I wanted with a 3.42 rear axle ratio too.

Their shop, parts department, and sales team are second to none. Treated me with respect and didn't try to pull any shady crap/screw with any numbers. Incredible communication and awesome prices - I will definitely be a repeat customer and it was worth the trip, as I saved thousands and got a newer model.

corsvette

10-25-2014, 04:06 PM

Nice! look's good with that leveling kit. I really dig the square look of the new Chevys.

ExtraSlow

10-25-2014, 04:35 PM

Looks great, and glad to hear you found someone to help you out. A lot of folks in the Car industry in Calgary don't seem willing to work with the customer.

Env-Consultant

10-25-2014, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
Looks great, and glad to hear you found someone to help you out. A lot of folks in the Car industry in Calgary don't seem willing to work with the customer.

Thanks for the compliment, I appreciate it.

I had horrible experiences with the Calgary dealers - asked for an Out The Door (all-in) price twice and ended up with a number, only to have my down payment end up not being included in that? OTD, to me anyways, means the full price paid, all in - value, fees, taxes, the works.

I didn't know Adrian from Adams GM before this experience, but christ did he go the extra mile on every little detail, from price, to getting the shop work done on time, to comminicating constantly, and filling the truck up just before I left. Their parts/service and financing departments were awesome too - just hard working, honest, "yes we can" type of people. Breath of fresh air, after my experience here anyways.

r3ccOs

10-25-2014, 06:13 PM

Originally posted by Env-Consultant
http://s28.postimg.org/ky0zwm8y5/IMG_2497_Copy.jpg

http://s28.postimg.org/r3xupmdhp/IMG_2484.jpg

Done. Ended up with a 2015 LTZ w/ 2LZ 1500 Silverado Crew Cab from Adams Chevrolet in Wetaskiwin. I dealt with Adrian from there - he gave me a lower price, through email, for the 2015 model than any of the 2014 model prices I received in Calgary (I spoke to basically every dealer in the city). Ended up adding a 2" leveling kit to the front, as well as some P275/65R20 Duratracs. Lucked out and they had the exact truck I wanted with a 3.42 rear axle ratio too.

Their shop, parts department, and sales team are second to none. Treated me with respect and didn't try to pull any shady crap/screw with any numbers. Incredible communication and awesome prices - I will definitely be a repeat customer and it was worth the trip, as I saved thousands and got a newer model.

did they install the level for you? Pretty awesome!

that being said...
I know how stealerships work in the backend...
its not about the MSRP vs invoice pricing, as actually I'd almost say both are arbitrary guidelines than anything.

and ppfft to the comments about Kia, Ford, or anyone.. Its really the same shit regardless if its GM or not.

Volume is the most important thing to a dealership, especially domestic, not margins.

While the "margins" are nice, the issue is that things are far too competitive, but the compensation is based on the rebates received back from the manufacturer and the allocation.

If a dealer can move 200 vehicles rather than 100, they get great insensitives PLUS more allocation.

For a dealer, they can move cars at times for less than invoice, as they'll easily turn back far more in rebates by moving more product.

Env-Consultant

10-25-2014, 06:37 PM

Yeah it was all dealer installed. I found out mid-purchase that our company buys all of our fleet vehicles through this dealership and many coworkers buy their personal vehicles through them. Needless to say, they've done a lot of levels, lifts, and mods for oil/gas trucks. Haven't heard anything bad about any of the work they've done, and it's definitely competitively priced.

TomcoPDR

10-25-2014, 09:09 PM

Sexy truck

01RedDX

10-25-2014, 09:25 PM

Env-Consultant

10-25-2014, 11:54 PM

Originally posted by 01RedDX

You can both go truck yourselves. I love these trucks.

:burnout:

Truck off! Haha

I'm really blown away by the Remote Link App - nice to be able to see your fuel, tire pressure, oil pressure, lock/unlock, and start your vehicle as long as you have cell service, regardless of how close you are. Still tinkering, but it appears as though you can set the heated/cooled seats to come on during the remote start based on exterior temperature. It's good for 5 years and then I'm not sure what the subscription cost would be - hoping that I either 1) won't care about the subscription price at that point in my life or 2) will be buying a jet pack to go to and fro.

Darkane

10-26-2014, 03:45 AM

Beauty truck. 8sp trans?

I'm gonna be in the market for a LTZ 6.2 with the 8sp.

Should be good for truck stuff.

r3ccOs

10-26-2014, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by Darkane
Beauty truck. 8sp trans?

I'm gonna be in the market for a LTZ 6.2 with the 8sp.

Should be good for truck stuff.

the only issue I have, is at that price point, you can get into a very loaded HD truck.

Env-Consultant

10-26-2014, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Darkane
Beauty truck. 8sp trans?

I'm gonna be in the market for a LTZ 6.2 with the 8sp.

Should be good for truck stuff.

5.3 6 speed. I really have no need for a 6.2 - the holiday trailer I have can be pulled with the 5.3.

TomcoPDR

10-26-2014, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by Env-Consultant

Truck off! Haha

I'm really blown away by the Remote Link App - nice to be able to see your fuel, tire pressure, oil pressure, lock/unlock, and start your vehicle as long as you have cell service, regardless of how close you are. Still tinkering, but it appears as though you can set the heated/cooled seats to come on during the remote start based on exterior temperature. It's good for 5 years and then I'm not sure what the subscription cost would be - hoping that I either 1) won't care about the subscription price at that point in my life or 2) will be buying a jet pack to go to and fro.

Yeah, I wonder if Remotelink will become a novelty or something useful. (what's the point in checking your fuel/tire pressure in a coffee shop, why not just wait till ur in the vehicle?)

The only slight concept I'd find useful with the remotelink app for remote starting, is say you leave your onstar GM vehicle at outdoor park-n-fly places at YYC during winter... fly out for a week or so... then start ur vehicle as soon as you land back... (but, I learn that the newer GM's go into sleep mood after 72 hours... so if you travel more than 3 days, it won't work from what I'm describing above)

Get ready for OnStar and SirusXM calling you for the next few weeks.. :burnout: :winter: :goflames:

Darkane

10-26-2014, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by r3ccOs

the only issue I have, is at that price point, you can get into a very loaded HD truck.

I know. It's gotta fit in the garage though.

HD won't.

r3ccOs

10-26-2014, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by Darkane

I know. It's gotta fit in the garage though.

HD won't.

my f150 just barely squeezed into my 23 foot long garage and now that I have a new bumper, its staying outside.

gotta wonder if Ram will stick the big 6.4 into their 1500?

I like half tons alot, but boy do they go through alot of model changes.

I find the Super Duty has looked good since its inception and so has the HD Sierra/Silverado and the changes are subtle.

TomcoPDR

10-28-2014, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by Env-Consultant

it appears as though you can set the heated/cooled seats to come on during the remote start based on exterior temperature.

Have you figured out how to get heat/cool seats to turn on using remote start yet? I've set heated seat to come on with remote start in the navigation menu, but doesn't seem to work (or does it require the vehicle to warm up before it gets turned on???) #firstworldproblems

Env-Consultant

10-30-2014, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by TomcoPDR

Have you figured out how to get heat/cool seats to turn on using remote start yet? I've set heated seat to come on with remote start in the navigation menu, but doesn't seem to work (or does it require the vehicle to warm up before it gets turned on???) #firstworldproblems

Meh....

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f53/heated-seats-not-operating-remote-start-140065/

I'll discuss it with the dealer - I'm guessing they'll tell me that they are coming on, but they don't feel as hot because nobody is sitting in them; with that said, it has been <10 degrees out recently and they haven't been coming on (even though I have them set to automatically turn on). Additionally, after a remote start, the heated seats lights don't come on indicating that they are on.