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mr2mike

09-23-2014, 10:59 AM

http://www.abetterlandscaper.ca/images/Fortress%20II.jpg But with just 4x4 posts not 6x6. PT and 6' fence boards.

Building something like this. I'll work out the materials needed and get a quote on material cost. Then get a figure for my time. I have to include removal of old fence and taking that to the dump, etc.
That's why I'm wondering what is this $35-40 per sq ft include? Removal of old stuff? It's not cheap to take stuff to the dump.

I'm helping someone out who owns the place but lives overseas. Not looking to step into starting a fencing company.

Why I was after a typical charge is that I don't want to rip the guy off with over quoting and I don't want to undersell myself.

Seth1968

09-23-2014, 11:32 AM

Another thing to consider is the depth of the posts and the type of concrete to use.

I've only built one fence, but using the regular slow drying concrete seemed like a real pain in the ass. So, I used Quickcrete and I'm glad I did. I layered the bottom of the hole with a couple of inches of gravel, set in the post, plumbed, and I only had to stand there for about 10 minutes before I could let the post go without movement.

My water table was at about 18" and I set the posts in to a depth of 24".

ExtraSlow

09-23-2014, 12:12 PM

Does anyone have any expereince witht he expanding foam for fence posts? Seems like it would be easy to use, but possibly not as durable as concrete.
http://www.homedepot.ca/product/post-fix/832491

G-ZUS

09-23-2014, 12:21 PM

Kloubek

09-23-2014, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
EDIT: I'm pretty sure Mike's not looking to start a fence-building business. I read this as he's looking to help out a buddy with a one-time thing.

My bad. I read it that maybe he was a home improvement contractor and hadn't quoted for a fence before.

(Sorry Mike - I've seen you on here before, of course, but have no idea what you do)

mr2mike

09-23-2014, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by Seth1968
I've only built one fence, but using the regular slow drying concrete seemed like a real pain in the ass. So, I used Quickcrete and I'm glad I did. I layered the bottom of the hole with a couple of inches of gravel, set in the post, plumbed, and I only had to stand there for about 10 minutes before I could let the post go without movement.

Thanks for the advice and I think the quickcrete will be a weather dependent thing (yes, its more money too for that stuff).

Holding the post plumb?? You're doing it wrong.
http://www.homedepot.ca/wcsstore/HomeDepotCanada/cms-content/assets/images/know-how/projects/decking-fencing-and-railing/installing-fence-posts/step03a.jpg
Use fence boards to hold it plumb and move on to the next.
Check every so often while it's setting.
From there, I'll probably do a dump run while it's setting up and just come back the next day to finish it off.

mr2mike

09-23-2014, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by Kloubek

My bad. I read it that maybe he was a home improvement contractor and hadn't quoted for a fence before.

(Sorry Mike - I've seen you on here before, of course, but have no idea what you do)

No worries.
If I was a contractor wouldn't I just increase my quotes until I didn't get any bites for work then slowly lower them until I did? Isn't that what they do? lol

ExtraSlow

09-23-2014, 12:38 PM

If you were a contractor, you'd also have to increase your level of distain by at least 87%.

Seth1968

09-23-2014, 12:40 PM

I stood at each post for about 10 minutes, but I wasn't constantly holding it. I had 2 large bricks on adjacent corners, and checked out its position about every minute.

Anyway, that was about 3 years ago, and it turned out perfect. It didn't even flinch through those hurricane like conditions we had last year.

BrknFngrs

09-23-2014, 12:48 PM

Can't comment on the specific pricing, but I would assume it would be quoted in linear feet as opposed to sqft as well

avishal26

09-23-2014, 12:55 PM

$40 / ln. foot is about right. Not including removal of old posts though.

Depending on how solid the old posts are, you may have to use a small bobcat to pull those out...

FraserB

09-23-2014, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
PM spikers, get a quote from him, add 15% on top, that's what you should charge to pimp him out.

I agree with this. Get Spikers to quote it and do the work, then add some juice on the top and that's your final amount. Everyone wins. Spikers makes some cash and you make a percentage for having the connections to get the job in the first place.

ExtraSlow

09-23-2014, 01:35 PM

Plus, I think spikers needs a pimp . . .errrr . . . business manager to handle his affairs.

CapnCrunch

09-23-2014, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
Does anyone have any expereince witht he expanding foam for fence posts? Seems like it would be easy to use, but possibly not as durable as concrete.
http://www.homedepot.ca/product/post-fix/832491

It's a lot more expensive too.

I just did all my fence posts using regular bags of concrete mix. I just dumped the bag in, poured the correct amount of water in after the bag, and then gave it a quick stir with some 2x2's I had laying around. By the time the post hole is full you can't move the post at all. I didn't even need to brace the posts, even though I did.

16hypen3sp

09-23-2014, 02:59 PM

I think I paid 37 or 38 per foot for my fence install... no old fence to remove though.

Sugarphreak

03-25-2015, 04:31 PM

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mo_money2supe

03-25-2015, 04:58 PM

^^ Per LINEAL foot? For cedar?? Is that including material itself? If so, that's incredibly cheap compared to OPs unit rates, which were sq.ft and for PT wood. That is, unless your quote is for a 1-2' high fence or just labour alone.

Sugarphreak

03-25-2015, 05:07 PM

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Tik-Tok

03-25-2015, 05:11 PM

Sugarphreak

03-25-2015, 05:14 PM

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mo_money2supe

03-25-2015, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
I was going off the comments in that thread. There are a bunch of people commenting on how cheap it is for cedar.

Also trying to figure out if my existing fence is cedar or not... I just want them to match it, not invent a new style

First off, read p.2 of the thread. The OP even said it was PT.

As for determining what your existing one is, sniff it - if it smells like a sauna, it's cedar. Otherwise, it's likely PT.

EDIT: The guy from the other thread's price was for a new install only. So if your $70/ft includes removal of the old one AND supply & install of a cedar fence, I'd say that's not a bad deal.

mr2mike

03-25-2015, 05:21 PM

I'd say, 90% of fences in this city are PT or chain link. Cedar if you're a baller or its extremely small yard.
Yeah my price were on PT. Go check out the 2x4 8ft cedar prices. Crazy.

PT is green initially and changes to a brown in the sun and environment.
Guessing it's PT or else a stained regular spruce wood.
Don't go stained... Too much upkeep.

spikerS

03-25-2015, 05:26 PM

IIRC cedar is about 3x the cost of PT.

*edit* nope, i was wrong, a 1x6x6 PT is $2.95, while a 1x6x6 Cedar rough face is $3.60, so the cost is not too big of a gap any longer.

Sugarphreak

03-25-2015, 05:39 PM

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mo_money2supe

03-25-2015, 05:41 PM

Are ALL your posts rotten? If not, just replace only the ones that need to be replaced and maybe a few boards here and there.

Step 2: Profit!

Sugarphreak

03-25-2015, 05:45 PM

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mr2mike

03-25-2015, 07:22 PM

So a new build?
Price seems steep if it's pressure treated. Biggest hassle is always removing the old posts.
SpikerS and I could hammer that fence out for cheaper than $70/ft for sure.

Tik-Tok

03-25-2015, 07:24 PM

Aren't you currently an unemployed alcholic? Just build it yourself.

roopi

03-25-2015, 07:27 PM

Had a pressure treated fence built in October for $39ft. Gates came in at $320.00 each. We used 4x4 for the posts.

Sugarphreak

03-25-2015, 07:49 PM

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roopi

03-25-2015, 08:41 PM

Forgot to mention I used http://www.jenron.ca. Owners name is Steve. No deposit paid. I left town for a week and came home and the fence was done with zero issues. I did receive some other quotes higher and lower. I made sure to stay clear of companies looking for large deposits. If a company can't float the cost of materials on a project like this I choose to avoid them.

spikerS

03-25-2015, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by mr2mike

SpikerS and I could hammer that fence out for cheaper than $70/ft for sure.

no kidding. for $70/LF, you would have a pretty baller fence if you or I did it.

16hypen3sp

03-26-2015, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by Sugarphreak

I was going off other things I've read... my understanding is it should be 30~40$ for a premium fence.

For example: this was a cedar fence done for 32$ a foot last year
http://forums.beyond.ca/st/383083/ezepost-fence-build-review-pics/

The quote I got was more than double that

Originally posted by mo_money2supe

First off, read p.2 of the thread. The OP even said it was PT.

As for determining what your existing one is, sniff it - if it smells like a sauna, it's cedar. Otherwise, it's likely PT.

EDIT: The guy from the other thread's price was for a new install only. So if your $70/ft includes removal of the old one AND supply & install of a cedar fence, I'd say that's not a bad deal.

Hey! Thats my fence you quoted. Everything mo_money said is true. No old fence to remove... and it is, indeed, PT.

mr2mike

03-26-2015, 09:48 AM

I still have a tough time believing that a builder supplied a cedar fence.

Can you post some pictures that capture the wood grain and ends of some of the current fence?

03-26-2015, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by mr2mike
I still have a tough time believing that a builder supplied a cedar fence.

Can you post some pictures that capture the wood grain and ends of some of the current fence?

Not hard to believe when the average home price is 2M in that area. :bigpimp:

mr2mike

03-26-2015, 10:25 AM

Don't know where he lives.

Only a certain # of new areas with those houses, so if it's where I'm thinking, large rock, glacial till below the surface is a high probability. Can make for tough post hole digging.

tirebob

03-26-2015, 11:27 AM

My neighbour and I built our fence two summers ago over a weekend and a few evenings during the week. I am not 100 sure on the exact length anymore, but my one side, his alley side and his other neighbours side totaling about 250 LF (give or take a bit). We used pressure treated. We did shop around and found a good deal on the wood, and with the rental of the post hole auger, cement mixer for the posts and all the materials, the total for all materials and rentals was around $1500/$1600 if I remember correctly (I only paid for my third).

It wasn't a hard job to do. We had a couple buddies come help on the biggest days and I fired up the smoker and made ribs and a had beers etc. Actually was a pretty fun build and going by the quotes people seem to be getting, we saved many multiple thousands of dollars. Well worth the 25/30 or so hours of work we put in, and it was satisfying to do ourselves.

Sugarphreak

03-26-2015, 11:56 AM

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theken

03-26-2015, 01:25 PM

How do you deal with a neighbour that does not want to split costs? I also would like a chain fence, but we have big dogs, and one neighbour has 2 big dogs, and they don't get along.

I am looking to do my fence as soon as my tax return shows up.

mo_money2supe

03-26-2015, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by theken
How do you deal with a neighbour that does not want to split costs? I also would like a chain fence, but we have big dogs, and one neighbour has 2 big dogs, and they don't get along.

I am looking to do my fence as soon as my tax return shows up.

From what I recall from past beyond fence threads, there's no legal course of action you can take to get your neighbour to share the cost of the fence - it's usually done in good faith. If your neighbour's unwilling to share costs, then at least that gives you the full freedom to choose design, material, post spacing, etc.

As for the comments about chain-link, I have a 5-footer chain-link fence on both sides with the neighbours. We chat all the time and even each others' kids say hi to us when we're all hanging out in the back yard. Takes away some privacy but I will gladly take a friendly community over privacy any day. Some other neighbours with chain-link fences put black strips through the holes so one could always go that route if dogs need their privacy, yet still allowing humans to interact.

spikerS

04-09-2015, 06:18 PM

So, just finished this fence.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8697/16905980369_769dccd3d8_z.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7701/16905983459_9e078d89b4_z.jpg

Cost was $36/foot (including a gate), and that was even with all the equipment problems on the first day that slowed us WAY down, and I paid a helper on the first day.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8764/16865377247_376dcd67a1_z.jpg
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8809/17068555535_f5054a9562_z.jpg
As a funny note, The property pin was sunk pretty far, and I couldn't find it. Went of a lot report, and measured off of the different property lines to where I thought it should be, and averaged them all out. Started digging with a auger, and it just wouldn't go any deeper, so we lifted the auger to clear it, and this is what we saw, holding up the auger...

A790

04-09-2015, 09:45 PM

What the shit is PT?

Sugarphreak

04-09-2015, 09:49 PM

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A790

04-10-2015, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Pressure treated
Thanks :)

pheoxs

04-10-2015, 08:25 AM

Hey guys, where's the best place to buy lumber at a decent price? Rona and home depot and such list a $/board, can you get a bit better deal buying larger volume?

I need about half a cord of 2x6's that are pressure treated @8' length. (I need about 125 boards)

C_Dave45

04-10-2015, 09:28 AM

codetrap

04-10-2015, 09:42 AM

pheoxs

04-10-2015, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by C_Dave45

If you buy 100,000 b/f maybe.

Ahh, thanks, I figured not but always worth asking

jeffh

04-10-2015, 09:45 AM

Timbertown has their usual spring sale of outdoor lumber on sale for the month of April. Plus you can collect airmiles there on top of your credit card points.

Sprockett

04-10-2015, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by spikerS
IIRC cedar is about 3x the cost of PT.

*edit* nope, i was wrong, a 1x6x6 PT is $2.95, while a 1x6x6 Cedar rough face is $3.60, so the cost is not too big of a gap any longer.

As a note, cost increase from PT to Cedar is pretty marginal on the fence boards but for anything else the gap grows. Doing 6x6s or 4x6s in Cedar is a huge difference.

We did our fence with Cedar boards and PT everything else...marginal increase in cost from an all PT fence. I like the two tone appearance but I suppose not everyone would. Just a thought.

spikerS

04-10-2015, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by pheoxs
Hey guys, where's the best place to buy lumber at a decent price? Rona and home depot and such list a $/board, can you get a bit better deal buying larger volume?

I need about half a cord of 2x6's that are pressure treated @8' length. (I need about 125 boards)

125 pieces, they won't do anything. There is next to no mark up in lumber.

best thing you can do is get in good with a pro desk somewhere, and get real tight with them. Bring em in coffees and shit. before long, they will start cutting costs for you on their own when they can.

Tik-Tok

04-10-2015, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Sprockett

As a note, cost increase from PT to Cedar is pretty marginal on the fence boards but for anything else the gap grows. Doing 6x6s or 4x6s in Cedar is a huge difference.

We did our fence with Cedar boards and PT everything else...marginal increase in cost from an all PT fence. I like the two tone appearance but I suppose not everyone would. Just a thought.

Yeah but Cedar fence boards are gross, and look like shit after a few years. If you do Cedar, it's gotta be 5/4 board.

spikerS

04-10-2015, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by Tik-Tok

Yeah but Cedar fence boards are gross, and look like shit after a few years. If you do Cedar, it's gotta be 5/4 board.

pretty much this, or you have to plane and seal it. Cedar fences look great for the first summer they are up, but after that they start to look like crap.

CapnCrunch

04-10-2015, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by spikerS

125 pieces, they won't do anything. There is next to no mark up in lumber.

best thing you can do is get in good with a pro desk somewhere, and get real tight with them. Bring em in coffees and shit. before long, they will start cutting costs for you on their own when they can.

Also, handjobs. Lots and lots of handjobs.

J.M.

04-10-2015, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by CapnCrunch

Also, handjobs. Lots and lots of handjobs.

:rofl: speaking from experience?

bspot

04-10-2015, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by A790
What the shit is PT?

It's what people are using to describe outdoor wood, which is not in fact pressure treated, but dipped. Most fences just the posts are PT.

spikerS

04-14-2015, 10:46 PM

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7630/16965902538_fde5e16de1_z.jpg

Did this one today, cost ~$25/foot, but posts were already dug and in place.

mr2mike

04-15-2015, 08:32 AM

Gonna have to start passing you my fence jobs. Can't get it all done this year. Too much mechanic work requests and kitchen/bathroom reno requests.

spikerS

04-15-2015, 08:58 AM

I don't mind, doing this is fun for me.

vtec4life

04-16-2015, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by spikerS
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7630/16965902538_fde5e16de1_z.jpg

Did this one today, cost ~$25/foot, but posts were already dug and in place.

This is my fence!

If anyone is looking for someone to do their fence I highly recommend Spikers.

He did exactly what he said he was going to do and when. Amazing right??

Thanks for the great work.

ExtraSlow

04-16-2015, 02:45 PM

Mike, I told you to subcontract spikers and just pocket 15% as a management fee. Awesome business model.

idriveabox

04-22-2015, 09:53 PM

Sent you a pm Spikers.

CapnCrunch

04-23-2015, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by J.M.

:rofl: speaking from experience?

A pen!s jerked is a dollar saved, or something like that.... ;)

Sugarphreak

04-23-2015, 07:32 AM

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spikerS

04-23-2015, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by idriveabox
Sent you a pm Spikers.

I have been trying to respond, but your PM box is full.

BigDL

04-26-2015, 01:20 PM

So my one neighbour is getting his fence built and for my half I was quoted that it will be $1500 + GST for I think 72" or so, the guy contractor was going to give me a quote for my other side + some other basic stuff.

It is 4x6 posts, everything is pressure treated, and it looks like the fence that Spikers just did.

Is that a reasonable price? Me and my other neighbor are starting to look for quotes for our shared side.

jeffh

04-26-2015, 02:55 PM

I got a quote from Timbertown recently. For 200' of 6' high pt fence, similar to spikers one(except 2x6 rails and no middle one), it came in at $2300 delivered. Mostly 4x6 posts as well. Includes concrete and hardware...basically everything but the holes in the ground

spikerS

04-26-2015, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by BigDL
So my one neighbour is getting his fence built and for my half I was quoted that it will be $1500 + GST for I think 72" or so, the guy contractor was going to give me a quote for my other side + some other basic stuff.

It is 4x6 posts, everything is pressure treated, and it looks like the fence that Spikers just did.

Is that a reasonable price? Me and my other neighbor are starting to look for quotes for our shared side.

I just did 80' of fence with 4x4 posts, and total came out to be ~$2900ish iirc, basically worked out to be about $36 a foot with some fairly big obstacles. Your quote, the guy is quoting about $44 a foot. If you have easy access to the back yard, you could be cheaper.

Originally posted by jeffh
I got a quote from Timbertown recently. For 200' of 6' high pt fence, similar to spikers one(except 2x6 rails and no middle one), it came in at $2300 delivered. Mostly 4x6 posts as well. Includes concrete and hardware...basically everything but the holes in the ground

That is a crazy cheap quote for 200' of fence. That is 25 x 8' panels, and a panel usually works out to be $157 (with 4x4 posts and strapping), so your quote is just over half of that, which does not seem right, especially with larger dimensional lumber. That sounds like a too good to be true quote...But keep me informed on that, if it turns out to be right, show me the invoice, and I will start shopping there!

jeffh

04-26-2015, 08:02 PM

Sure, pm me your email, and i'll send you a pic of it. Just so you know, there is a 10% discount on outdoor lumber for the month of april there. For example: i need 25 4x6's and 4 6x6's which comes to 705.71 before tax....

And since you mentioned it, a second lookover reveals a major flaw in the quote, fence boards were entirely missed!!! F-sakes! Thats gonna really up the quote $$$. About $1100. To a new total of about $3500.

Holes will cost me about $300.

What is your usual go-to store spikers?

spikerS

04-26-2015, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by jeffh
Sure, pm me your email, and i'll send you a pic of it. Just so you know, there is a 10% discount on outdoor lumber for the month of april there. For example: i need 25 4x6's and 4 6x6's which comes to 705.71 before tax....

And since you mentioned it, a second lookover reveals a major flaw in the quote, fence boards were entirely missed!!! F-sakes! Thats gonna really up the quote $$$. About $1100.

What is your usual go-to store spikers?

I go to Home Depot in Coventry Hills. The Pro Desk guys there know me by name, and treat me really well, and their customer service for me is top notch. I usually get some really good deals through them as well. If I need something, I never have to haggle for it, or if there is a problem, they don't argue, they just fix it. I could probably find cheaper, but I would not get the same support or service.

jeffh

04-26-2015, 08:35 PM

I won't argue with that reasoning, its great to have strong support out there.

BigDL

04-26-2015, 09:18 PM

just got the quote back from the guy and he is charging $38 a foot.

Pressure Treated Fence, 4x6 Posts (per linear foot) - 49 NFL Side
79.00 $ 19.00 $ 1,501

spikerS

04-26-2015, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by BigDL
just got the quote back from the guy and he is charging $38 a foot.

Pressure Treated Fence, 4x6 Posts (per linear foot) - 49 NFL Side
79.00 $ 19.00 $ 1,501

That's not a bad price at all. Definitely on the cheaper end of the spectrum though. Be on the cautious side though, and try to withhold the payment until completion.

spikerS

04-26-2015, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by jeffh
Sure, pm me your email, and i'll send you a pic of it. Just so you know, there is a 10% discount on outdoor lumber for the month of april there. For example: i need 25 4x6's and 4 6x6's which comes to 705.71 before tax....

And since you mentioned it, a second lookover reveals a major flaw in the quote, fence boards were entirely missed!!! F-sakes! Thats gonna really up the quote $$$. About $1100. To a new total of about $3500.

Holes will cost me about $300.

What is your usual go-to store spikers?

Are you planning on putting it up yourself? If not, I would estimate you will probably be about $5500 all in to have it done by pros.

BigDL

04-26-2015, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by spikerS

That's not a bad price at all. Definitely on the cheaper end of the spectrum though. Be on the cautious side though, and try to withhold the payment until completion.

Good to know, I am going to check around with a few more places, but I am already locked in on that one side since my neighbor already signed up to do it with him.

jeffh

04-27-2015, 06:10 AM

Originally posted by spikerS

Are you planning on putting it up yourself? If not, I would estimate you will probably be about $5500 all in to have it done by pros.

Yes, mostly doing it myself, and with some help from friends n family.

riced

05-13-2015, 07:05 AM

Sorry to revive this... Wondering if I could get your guys' opinions on the quote we just received for our fence.
There's two quotes - one for each side obviously but my wife and I think that it's kind of excessive for just a PT fence with nothing extra. Are we right or is this average?

One side is almost double the price due to an extra 3 meters of length... In my mind, I was thinking the total cost of a fence would be about $1500ish...

One side is approximately 60ft while the other is approx 80ft.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w35/hoangur/image1.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w35/hoangur/image2.jpg

pheoxs

05-13-2015, 07:41 AM

Spikers said he did the last fence for ~35$ a foot @ 140 feet for your project = 4900$ so it's higher but not out to lunch (4900 vs 6300)

Looking at your quote the first one is for both (it shows 140 foot)

C_Dave45

05-13-2015, 07:48 AM

I don't understand your confusion. He's quoting you $42/foot. (Standard pricing) The first quote is for 140 feet. The second is for 80 feet. Theyre both the same rate. You want to pay $1500....for what size of fence? Any good tradesman needs to earn a minimum of around $100/hr for his labour. (To make a decent wage, cover his overhead, WCB, tools, vehicle costs, etc.)
Take the material costs out of a $1500 fence and what does that leave...would YOU work for that?!!

spikerS

05-13-2015, 07:48 AM

riced

05-13-2015, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by pheoxs
Spikers said he did the last fence for ~35$ a foot @ 140 feet for your project = 4900$ so it's higher but not out to lunch (4900 vs 6300)

Looking at your quote the first one is for both (it shows 140 foot)

Maybe that's where my confusion is - if the first quote is for both sides then that's reasonable.

Originally posted by spikerS

It's not out to lunch at all, and is pretty reasonable.

I am cheaper though. :D

Thanks Spikers! :)

C_Dave45

05-13-2015, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by pheoxs
Spikers said he did the last fence for ~35$ a foot @ 140 feet for your project = 4900$ so it's higher but not out to lunch (4900 vs 6300)

Looking at your quote the first one is for both (it shows 140 foot)

Okay...this really bugs me. It's a small thing, but nevertheless it adds up. I run into this everyday with my business.

You compare the quoted job to Spikers and say "4900 vs 6300".
First of all, Spikers said "$36/ft". So it's $5040.
Did Spikers include the gate?
Did Spikers charge GST?
Does Spikers have WCB?
(Rhetorical questions. I don't know what exactly Spikers' "all in price was". This has nothing to do with Spikers, per se...but how people compare pricing. His work is awesome, as well as his prices. But people often don't compare the same thing)

People always do this....compare one price to another, but forget little things. "Whoa...$1400 difference between Spikers and ABC Fencing!!"

When in actuality it looks more like a difference of about $840. ($6 difference per foot x 140 feet).

I'm currently going through this with a customer. Decent sized job. My price vs another guys price. Customer comes back with "Johnny Joe Blow tiling is $2,000 cheaper than yours".
"Wow...does that include all the plumbing?" I asked.
"Well no, but a tub is only going to cost me $300".
"Huh. Okay...so now you need to get it delivered. Then installed. Then new taps. Then install the sink and cabinet. Supply the board. Install the boarding....You think you'll get all that for $1700?" (My price included all that).

Oh, and Johnny Joe Blow eventually got kicked off the job for not showing up, taking forever, etc, etc.

pheoxs

05-13-2015, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by C_Dave45

Okay...this really bugs me. It's a small thing, but nevertheless it adds up. I run into this everyday with my business.

You compare the quoted job to Spikers and say "4900 vs 6300".
First of all, Spikers said "$36/ft". So it's $5040.
Did Spikers include the gate?
Did Spikers charge GST?
Does Spikers have WCB?
(Rhetorical questions. I don't know what exactly Spikers' "all in price was". This has nothing to do with Spikers, per se...but how people compare pricing. His work is awesome, as well as his prices. But people often don't compare the same thing)

People always do this....compare one price to another, but forget little things. "Whoa...$1400 difference between Spikers and ABC Fencing!!"

When in actuality it looks more like a difference of about $840. ($6 difference per foot x 140 feet).

I'm currently going through this with a customer. Decent sized job. My price vs another guys price. Customer comes back with "Johnny Joe Blow tiling is $2,000 cheaper than yours".
"Wow...does that include all the plumbing?" I asked.
"Well no, but a tub is only going to cost me $300".
"Huh. Okay...so now you need to get it delivered. Then installed. Then new taps. Then install the sink and cabinet. Supply the board. Install the boarding....You think you'll get all that for $1700?" (My price included all that).

Oh, and Johnny Joe Blow eventually got kicked off the job for not showing up, taking forever, etc, etc.

He was saying it was a crazy high quote, I was stating that it was reasonable, I think you missed my point. Also I put ~35 to show approximate prices for that reason.

C_Dave45

05-13-2015, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by pheoxs

He was saying it was a crazy high quote, I was stating that it was reasonable, I think you missed my point. Also I put ~35 to show approximate prices for that reason.
Gotcha. I understand. I figured your point was that the difference wasn't that bad.
I was just bringing up those other facts.
Cheers.

theken

05-13-2015, 12:01 PM

I was over 1500 in material alone for my fence. And it is shorter than yours.

spikerS

05-13-2015, 04:09 PM

Dave brings up some very valid points.

I do this kind of stuff as a hobby, this is fun for me. But my timelines are usually a lot longer because I have to work around my real job, and my family. I try to take on smaller jobs that take a day or 2 so that this does not interfere, but I get sucked into other things too because things just keep getting added on.

I like to think my work is pretty top notch, and I have enough people to vouch for me, but I always tell people up front, "I am not a professional, nor do I market myself as one. If you want professional results or timelines, then I will be more than happy to help you find and vette a professional."

P.S. thanks for the kudos too Dave.

GTS4tw

05-13-2015, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by C_Dave45

Okay...this really bugs me. It's a small thing, but nevertheless it adds up. I run into this everyday with my business.

You compare the quoted job to Spikers and say "4900 vs 6300".
First of all, Spikers said "$36/ft". So it's $5040.
Did Spikers include the gate?
Did Spikers charge GST?
Does Spikers have WCB?
(Rhetorical questions. I don't know what exactly Spikers' "all in price was". This has nothing to do with Spikers, per se...but how people compare pricing. His work is awesome, as well as his prices. But people often don't compare the same thing)

People always do this....compare one price to another, but forget little things. "Whoa...$1400 difference between Spikers and ABC Fencing!!"

When in actuality it looks more like a difference of about $840. ($6 difference per foot x 140 feet).

I'm currently going through this with a customer. Decent sized job. My price vs another guys price. Customer comes back with "Johnny Joe Blow tiling is $2,000 cheaper than yours".
"Wow...does that include all the plumbing?" I asked.
"Well no, but a tub is only going to cost me $300".
"Huh. Okay...so now you need to get it delivered. Then installed. Then new taps. Then install the sink and cabinet. Supply the board. Install the boarding....You think you'll get all that for $1700?" (My price included all that).

Oh, and Johnny Joe Blow eventually got kicked off the job for not showing up, taking forever, etc, etc.

I agree, nothing against Spikers persay, but I ran into amateurs all the time when I had my painting company. Of course they will be cheaper, I had 5 mil liability insurance, employee overhead, WCB, city business lic, equipment storage, etc. They usually put their neck on the line and if your house burns down, or they get killed, you are royally screwed. Every single one will tell you they wont hold you responsible, but when they are totally broke, and have to feed their family and can never walk again, that tune changes fast and you as the homeowner are 100% liable.

Using amateur labour, whether from a car forum or kijiji holds insanely huge risks that are NEVER worth the lower price. But greed rules all so proceed accordingly. I mean, this guy is asking for a $1500 fence! What a world....

riced

05-13-2015, 06:26 PM

Just to be clear... I wasn't asking for a $1500 fence. I've never had one built so it was just a guess on my end.

Thanks for the info everyone else!

Smokem

05-14-2015, 11:03 AM

Hey SpikerS, sent you a PM. My next door neighbor is looking to put up two sides (including the one side which I share with her)

Thanks :)

spikerS

06-02-2015, 08:29 PM

Did this one for another Beyonder.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8765/18396779772_015ac6da76_z.jpg

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7785/18213083528_a91eaf4d5f_z.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/273/18213211120_771e2c0f50_z.jpg

Xaroxantu Zero

06-17-2015, 09:17 AM

spikerS, tried to send you a PM, but it's full. :(

mr2mike

06-17-2015, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by Xaroxantu Zero
spikerS, tried to send you a PM, but it's full. :(

I dunno why but I found this funny.

spikerS

06-17-2015, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Xaroxantu Zero
spikerS, tried to send you a PM, but it's full. :(

Fixed.

Originally posted by mr2mike

I dunno why but I found this funny.

And you're sadistic.

403ep3

11-02-2016, 05:56 PM

Just built a house and neighbour wants to build a fence.

Owners dad will be building it and digging all the holes. Me and other neighbour will be splitting the costs of materials and dad builds. Is this a fair deal?

He is estimating about 12-1500$ in materials each (myself and neighbour so 24-3000$ altogether). Does this make sense for a ~113 ft long fence plus a door?

I'm thinking this is a fair deal as long as prices for PT fall between 15-1800$ in materials.