2015 C63 AMG & C63 AMG S Where numbers have nothing to do wtih displacement

[schocker]

Details have now been leaked about the 2015 C63 AMG/AMG S which I know lots of have been waiting to see.
Same engine as AMG GT. Extra power is always good. Like the rumors, no 4matic on this model.

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http://www.worldcarfans.com/114092381680/mercedes-c63-amg--c63-amg-s-partially-revealed--detailed

First up, the C63 AMG has an aggressive body kit that includes sportier bumpers, aerodynamic side skirts and a rear diffuser which is flanked by a four-tailpipe sports exhaust system. The car also has a power-dome hood, an AMG-branded grille and 18-inch lightweight alloy wheels.

The sporty styling continues in the cabin as the model boasts leather / microfiber sport seats, a flat-bottomed steering wheel and stainless steel pedals. Drivers will also find themselves surrounded by an ARTICO-wrapped dashboard, aluminum trim and a black headliner. Other notable highlights include an AMG-specific instrument cluster, illuminated front door sill plates and AMG-branded floor mats.

Power is provided by a twin-turbo 4.0-liter V8 engine that develops 475 PS (350 kW) and 650 Nm (479 lb-ft) of torque. It is connected to a seven-speed AMG Speedshift transmission which enables the sedan to rocket from 0-100 km/h in 4.2 seconds, before hitting an electronically limited top speed of 250 km/h (155 mph).

Speaking of performance, the C63 AMG is equipped with an AMG RIDE CONTROL sports suspension with three-stage adjustable dampers. The car also has an AMG speed-sensitive sports steering system and internally ventilated and perforated brake discs that measure 360mm front / 330mm rear.

The C63 AMG S kicks things up a notch as it has high gloss black accents and black flics on the front bumper. The model also gains composite brakes and 19-inch lightweight alloy wheels. The high-performance variant also has dynamic engine mounts, an electronic locking rear differential and revised front and rear axles.

Under the hood, there's a twin-turbo 4.0-liter V8 engine that develops 510 PS (375 kW) and 700 Nm (516 lb-ft) of torque. Thanks to the extra oomph, the C63 AMG S runs from 0-100 km/h in 4.1 seconds before topping out at an electronically limited top speed of 250 km/h (155 mph).

[Sugarphreak]

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[schocker]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
0-100 km/h in 4.2 seconds

Seems kind of slow for a car in this price range :dunno:
I would say it would be tested faster than that, manufacturer numbers are usually pretty conservative. Looks like it is time for Audi to bring us an RS4/RS5 w/ 4.0TT from the S6 to compete with the B9's!

[Sugarphreak]

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[Darkane]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
0-100 km/h in 4.2 seconds

Seems kind of slow for a car in this price range :dunno:
Tire limited man. 255's lol.

Throw some bigger tires and it'll be below 4.

[heavyD]

I'm just not digging the MB approach of fitting what looks to be an ipad on the dash. It just doesn't look integrated. Rest of the interior looks good though.

[mrsingh]

Nice! I wonder how tunable these engines are, what is the stock psi they are running on these turbos?

Will definitely miss the old 6.2 V8's rumble though, always loved that sound.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by heavyD
I'm just not digging the MB approach of fitting what looks to be an ipad on the dash. It just doesn't look integrated. Rest of the interior looks good though.

:werd: but that seems to be the trend. It must be significant cost/spacing savings.

[A2VR6]

Looks decent, interested to see what the front bumper will look like as well as the future comparisons with the F80/F82 M3/M4

[Mitsu3000gt]

I absolutely hate the interior afterthought screen as well, but otherwise it looks awesome. Inexcusable on an all-new model not to have it either integrated or retracting. Best looking C so far for sure. Hopefully they make an "S" with 4-matic! I suspect all variants break into the 3's for 0-60.

[lilmira]

That's a nice blue.

[Aleks]

The previous C63 technically didn't have a matching displacement to model name either. :D

People have been complaining about BMW for a while messing up their numbers but they explained the numbers are roughly meant to show what kind of power you can expect not what displacement it is.

[schocker]

Originally posted by heavyD
I'm just not digging the MB approach of fitting what looks to be an ipad on the dash. It just doesn't look integrated. Rest of the interior looks good though.
I figured it out. When they signed up for apple carplay, they were confused and thought it meant that needed to install an ipad mini into everyyyy mercedes :rofl:


Originally posted by Aleks
The previous C63 technically didn't have a matching displacement to model name either. :D

People have been complaining about BMW for a while messing up their numbers but they explained the numbers are roughly meant to show what kind of power you can expect not what displacement it is.
It was pretty close though :burnout:
This is why Johan de Nysschen is heading around to every car company to change their model names :rofl:

[benyl]

Originally posted by A2VR6
Looks decent, interested to see what the front bumper will look like as well as the future comparisons with the F80/F82 M3/M4

http://www.mercedes-benz.de/content/media_library/hq/hq_mpc_reference_site/passenger_cars_ng/new_cars/models/c-class/w205/facts/08-2014/specialeditions/amgedition1/mercedes-benz-c-class-w205_facts_specialeditions_amgedition1_01_facts_715x230_08-2014_jpg.object-Single-MEDIA.jpg

Following borrowed from mbworld thread:
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Even more here:

http://jalopnik.com/2015-mercedes-benz-c63-amg-this-is-it-and-holy-crap-5-1638185389

[benyl]

This is faptastic!

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/gc3gdnyjcuhxbz9vukoi.png

great seats

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/i4po4iod9g95kxbtq1or.png

[schocker]

Is the front you posted with the red the edition 1? That wagon though :drool:
Will we get any wagon at all in the C?

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by schocker

I would say it would be tested faster than that, manufacturer numbers are usually pretty conservative. Looks like it is time for Audi to bring us an RS4/RS5 w/ 4.0TT from the S6 to compete with the B9's!

S6's number is actually pretty low. You mean RS6.

A return of RS4 Estate with that engine would be awesome.

[flipstah]

Sheer hotness just exploded in this thread. :love: :love: :drool:

[Redlined_8000]

Dam this thing will walk a normal W204 C63 at altitude. Same HP as the new SLS replacement whatever its called. AMG GT?

Nice seats for sure! Those look like CLA45 seats. Overall the car looks good. Modern. Not as aggressive as the last gen i think tho. Also could they not have made the engine look a bit better? Too much black plastic.

[Redlined_8000]

Originally posted by Aleks
The previous C63 technically didn't have a matching displacement to model name either. :D

People have been complaining about BMW for a while messing up their numbers but they explained the numbers are roughly meant to show what kind of power you can expect not what displacement it is.


Actually I dont think they are allowed to advertise the engine as a 6.2L because the engine displacement of the M156 is 6208cc. This is greater than 6.2L. Thats why its a 6.3

Same thing with the S2000 Ap2. Its only a 2157cc not a 2.2L

[schocker]

Originally posted by Xtrema
S6's number is actually pretty low. You mean RS6.

A return of RS4 Estate with that engine would be awesome.
I meant just the engine in general as S6/7/8 & RS 6/7 use it in different tunes. S6 with LC does 0-60 in 3.7s though according to road and track. RS4/5 w/ 450-500 hp from that engine would be awesome.

[jdmXSI]

I like but im more curious if the ipad in the center is removable? :devil:

[rage2]

The iPad looks silly in photos, but in the drivers seat, you don't even notice it after a minute. It integrates well. The new interface is a huge learning curve though, I haven't been able to learn it quickly at all.

The GLA/CLA iPad is more of an eyesore.

This car will rape a w204 C63 at our elevation. My CLS550 (turbo, rated at 400hp) is dead even with my C63 BS. Another 100hp, and less weight, bye bye NA 6.2L haha.

[bart]

Originally posted by heavyD
I'm just not digging the MB approach of fitting what looks to be an ipad on the dash. It just doesn't look integrated. Rest of the interior looks good though.

tomtom xxxxl haha

rs4 wont be the 4.0 v8, it will either be 3.0 or 3.6 v6 tt similar to the macans

[Redlined_8000]

Originally posted by rage2


This car will rape a w204 C63 at our elevation. My CLS550 (turbo, rated at 400hp) is dead even with my C63 BS. Another 100hp, and less weight, bye bye NA 6.2L haha.


This is why I like turbo stuff. Turbo torque > NA torque in Calgary. Only "problem" is boost lag and not as responsive. But hardly an issue for modern turbo cars as they have minimized boost lag.

[killramos]

any word on pricing for the S?

[rage2]

Originally posted by Redlined_8000
This is why I like turbo stuff. Turbo torque > NA torque in Calgary. Only "problem" is boost lag and not as responsive. But hardly an issue for modern turbo cars as they have minimized boost lag.
Boost lag is worse up here than at sea level. The "45" engine is a good example, 1st gear needs 3500rpm to get meaningful torque, 2nd gear 3000rpm, 3rd gear 2500rpm. At sea level you'd see full boost at 2000rpm in all gears. The only thing saving the 45 from getting eaten off the line is it's very short gearing.

Spool up time is also longer here (ie off throttle to WOT in a turn), so your throttle response isn't anywhere close to NA.

But yea, full throttle blasts, turbo will destroy NA.

[benyl]

The official unveil is tomorrow. All of this was a leak.

Won't see pricing for a while.

[killramos]

Originally posted by benyl
The official unveil is tomorrow. All of this was a leak.

Won't see pricing for a while.

Fair enough, i can keep the BMW for a little while longer :D

[npham]

Will we see the wagon here?

[benyl]

Nope

[schocker]

I saw something saying at first no 4matic, does that mean we will see a 4matic version along side the rwd version?

[Aleks]

Originally posted by Redlined_8000



Actually I dont think they are allowed to advertise the engine as a 6.2L because the engine displacement of the M156 is 6208cc. This is greater than 6.2L. Thats why its a 6.3

Same thing with the S2000 Ap2. Its only a 2157cc not a 2.2L

The engine is a 6.2L. The C63 badge has something to do with a throwback to an old engine in the 60s that was 6.3L. MB isn't the only one to do this. Late 80s early 90s mustang GTs were 4.9L even though they had a 5.0 badge.

Engine size is determined by rounding the number to the nearest decimal place so a 6.208L is rounded down to 6.2L, a 2.157L is rounded up to 2.2L.

[killramos]

Rage/Benyl can you comment on the new command system considering the huge screen? Is it any good?

I have used the one in the CLS550 and it's pretty garbage. Worse than a honda system.

Gunna be hard to get to used to anything after NBT idrive...

[rage2]

I didn't get enough seat time with it. It's a huge departure from the system in the CLS550, which I'm used to since it's in every single MB model for the last 7 years.

I spent 5 mins with the new C infotainment system and was completely lost. So I really can't tell you if it's better or worse.

I really like the current system, but mostly because it's familiar. It does everything I can imagine that I need. Read text messages, play songs, play iTunes radio, Nav entries are easy, and hard buttons to access every single functionality quickly. But yea, if you're familiar with competing systems, it's a steep learning curve.

[killramos]

Originally posted by rage2
I didn't get enough seat time with it. It's a huge departure from the system in the CLS550, which I'm used to since it's in every single MB model for the last 7 years.

I spent 5 mins with the new C infotainment system and was completely lost. So I really can't tell you if it's better or worse.

I really like the current system, but mostly because it's familiar. It does everything I can imagine that I need. Read text messages, play songs, play iTunes radio, Nav entries are easy, and hard buttons to access every single functionality quickly. But yea, if you're familiar with competing systems, it's a steep learning curve.

Fair enough. Your new GLA has it?

Post up a review when you get a chance.

While the systems don't matter at all for actual driving when you are considering a car as a DD having a nice infotainment system is great.

The old system you speak of is very functional but I feel it is dated and severely needs polish in order to fit with how nice of a car the CLS is.

[benyl]

The difference with the new comand is graphics and they moved a bunch of things that used to be in the instrument cluster to the comand screen.

Functionally, not much different, just prettier.

GLA will not have the latest NTG 5.0, but the latest version of 4.5. Same as the CLA.

Obviously, the S class comand has many more functions than the C class, but I wouldn't call the latest version "revolutionary" or their best "Comand yet."

The C does get new functions that used to be a hard button (transmission mode selection) that gets individualization. Changes to throttle response, steering effort, etc.

Personally, I dislike the new touchpad. The redundant wheel underneath is more to my liking. I would rather it be a touch screen.

[Redlined_8000]

Originally posted by Aleks


The engine is a 6.2L. The C63 badge has something to do with a throwback to an old engine in the 60s that was 6.3L. MB isn't the only one to do this. Late 80s early 90s mustang GTs were 4.9L even though they had a 5.0 badge.

Engine size is determined by rounding the number to the nearest decimal place so a 6.208L is rounded down to 6.2L, a 2.157L is rounded up to 2.2L.


I was under the impression German automakers are only allowed to round up.

[Redlined_8000]

Double

[benyl]

Originally posted by Redlined_8000



I was under the impression German automakers are only allowed to round up.

Yup, 6.201 would still be called 6.3 by the Germans.

[killramos]

Originally posted by benyl


Yup, 6.201 would still be called 6.3 by the Germans.

Same goes for price!

:rolleyes:

[FiveFreshFish]

Originally posted by rage2
The GLA/CLA iPad is more of an eyesore.

That looks more like a cheap picture frame from Walmart.

[clem24]

Originally posted by benyl
Personally, I dislike the new touchpad. The redundant wheel underneath is more to my liking. I would rather it be a touch screen.

Having used touchscreens and the old dial, I personally think the dial is better. Touchscreens are great for devices held closely in your hand, but not so great when mounted on a dash, far away. Also with the dial, you can actually maneuver it while still keeping your eyes on the road; with a touchscreen, you actually have to take your eyes completely off the road to guide your finger to the exact spot on the screen. Then factor in delays and touches that don't register or double register, etc.. and it's clear that touchscreens really aren't the way to go.

As for the new C, can't say I like it, yet. I really, really dislike how 'busy' these new cars look (like this and the new M3/M4). And to be honest, I am not thrilled about the turbo. Sure it's faster but the whole point of buying a car for the big/stupid/pointless V8 is gone. I mean really if I wanted the fastest car, I would not have picked a W204 C63. So I guess Lexus it is.. :nut: