2014 FORMULA 1 ETIHAD AIRWAYS ABU DHABI GRAND PRIX (Yas Marina)

[MGCM]

And it all comes down to this race......Id like to see Hamilton win it:thumbsup:

[chongkee_]

So do I. Assuming there's no reliability issues, he just might take it.

[killramos]

I think on Yas Hamilton has the edge. Pole will be important though because Rosberg is good enough to make it damn hard to pass...

[rage2]

Rosberg needs to win, with Hamilton finishing 7th or lower to be considered the real 2014 F1 champion. Any other way where Rosberg wins the championship will be a double points BS fiasco where it will blow up all over the internet for generations to come.

With that being said, for the permutations for a Rosberg double points WDC win...

Ros needs 5th place with Ham finishing 10th or lower.
Ros needs 4th place with Ham finishing 9th or lower.
Ros needs 3rd place with Ham finishing 7th or lower.
Ros needs 2nd place with Ham finishing 6th or lower.
Ros needs 1st place with Ham finishing 3rd or lower.

[JustinL]

I'm hoping Rosberg wins it because of the double points and a huge backlash ensues. This season needs to be made an example of what not to do.

[killramos]

Originally posted by rage2
Rosberg needs to win, with Hamilton finishing 7th or lower to be considered the real 2014 F1 champion. Any other way where Rosberg wins the championship will be a double points BS fiasco where it will blow up all over the internet for generations to come.

With that being said, for the permutations for a Rosberg double points WDC win...

Ros needs 5th place with Ham finishing 10th or lower.
Ros needs 4th place with Ham finishing 9th or lower.
Ros needs 3rd place with Ham finishing 7th or lower.
Ros needs 2nd place with Ham finishing 6th or lower.
Ros needs 1st place with Ham finishing 3rd or lower.

Yea i had it in my head for some reason that winner takes all ( ie they were close enough that with double points whoever took first would clinch) i was out to lunch.

Looks like Hamilton should have this then unless his car busts.

[CapnCrunch]

Originally posted by rage2
Rosberg needs to win, with Hamilton finishing 7th or lower to be considered the real 2014 F1 champion. Any other way where Rosberg wins the championship will be a double points BS fiasco where it will blow up all over the internet for generations to come.

With that being said, for the permutations for a Rosberg double points WDC win...

Ros needs 5th place with Ham finishing 10th or lower.
Ros needs 4th place with Ham finishing 9th or lower.
Ros needs 3rd place with Ham finishing 7th or lower.
Ros needs 2nd place with Ham finishing 6th or lower.
Ros needs 1st place with Ham finishing 3rd or lower.

It will be a Mercedes 1-2 unless one of them breaks down or crashes. If Rosberg somehow wins the title, people will bitch about it no matter how it happens.

I kind of want to see Rosberg win just because of the shitstorm that would ensue lol. I just don't see it happening though.

[phreezee]

Sky infographic, another way of looking at it.

https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10407431_720866304673001_6269830821981669937_n.jpg?oh=5baa5730b979089c534284c2924fe3c0&oe=54DDF1EF

[phreezee]

McLaren making some news this weekend at Silverstone. They'll be ready for post season testing in Abu Dhabi.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/mclaren-honda-2014-2-886x569.jpg

[chongkee_]

Originally posted by CapnCrunch


It will be a Mercedes 1-2 unless one of them breaks down or crashes. If Rosberg somehow wins the title, people will bitch about it no matter how it happens.

I kind of want to see Rosberg win just because of the shitstorm that would ensue lol. I just don't see it happening though.

Meh, you never know. Hamilton hasn't had bad luck in a while. He's due.

[killramos]

Originally posted by phreezee
McLaren making some news this weekend at Silverstone. They'll be ready for post season testing in Abu Dhabi.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/mclaren-honda-2014-2-886x569.jpg

Damn that car is sexy... Esp with those wet tires haha.

[Inzane]

Originally posted by killramos
Damn that car is sexy...

Don't agree at all. I think their current livery (is that the word?) looks awful. I much preferred the Vodafone orange & chrome.

Wtf is SAP anyway? :dunno:

[l/l/rX]

Originally posted by Inzane


Don't agree at all. I think their current livery (is that the word?) looks awful. I much preferred the Vodafone orange & chrome.

Wtf is SAP anyway? :dunno:

Second largest database system in the world, following behind oracle.

[rage2]

SAP is primarily an ERP company.

[xnvy]

So apparently Double Points is getting dropped for next season. Link (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/motor-racing/bernie-ecclestone-will-drop-double-points-in-formula-one-next-season-9862218.html)

[Mibz]

Everybody's running with this story but nobody has any actual confirmation double points is being dropped. All we get is this:
“I’m not going to propose the three races again. I’m going to let them get on with it. I don’t know what we’re going to do next year.”

[killramos]

Originally posted by Inzane


Wtf is SAP anyway? :dunno:

I don't understand it fully but its only of a few different companies products who can provide due diligence financial tracking etc for SOX compliance. My dad uses it for a living and that's what he told me.

BBC article from Bernie


F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone doubts if the "stupid" scenario of double points being awarded at the final race of the season will continue next year.
Ecclestone had wanted double points at the final three races of the season but the teams, who he called "bloody idiots", did not go for the plan.
"I'm not going to propose the three races again," he told the Independent.
"I'm going to let them get on with it. I don't know what we're going to do next year."
Briton Lewis Hamilton leads the drivers' standings by 17 points from Mercedes team-mate Nico Rosberg going into the last race of the campaign in Abu Dhabi on 23 November.
If Rosberg wins, Hamilton will need to finish second to take the title. Under the old system, sixth would have been enough.


Mercedes boss Toto Wolff said: "It would put a big shadow over the championship if it was turned by a technical issue."
However, Ecclestone accused the teams of thinking about the "short term" in not agreeing to his original plan of double points for three races.
"One race is stupid but imagine if it was the last three races," he said. "It means that somebody would have to have a 150-point advantage minimum to be sure they will win.
"The teams have not accepted it because they are bloody idiots. They are all mechanics. They think of their team in the short term."

Seems like he is still supportive but that the idea will die. Basically he doesn't want anyone clinching the championship with 5 races to go lol.

[ganesh]

Bernie is a Fing idiot.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/11230891/Bernie-Ecclestone-claims-F1-does-not-need-young-fans-and-dismisses-Marussia-and-Caterham-demise.html

This double points completely sucks. I want Lewis to wing but I agree with Martin Brundle. Some thing crazy is going to happen,
https://twitter.com/MBrundleF1/status/534087088183201793

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by l/l/rX


Second largest database system in the world, following behind oracle.

ERP system that can run on Oracle or SQL as DB backend.

Oracle's is a direct competitor in the ERP space when they bought Peoplesoft which also owns JDE.

In ERP space, SAP is #1, Oracle bought its way into #2.

[Inzane]

The concept of double points seemed a bit more palatable if there was ONE driver running away with the championship (like vettel did). But as soon as you have two or more close contenders, it no longer works.

[DJ Lazy]

In hindsight, the double points for the last three races wouldn't have made a difference anyways, because its been a Merc 1-2 equally for both drivers, so we'd still be in the position we are in now. 17 point lead for Hamilton with one race where double points could make a difference. Yes, we wouldn't have foreseen Ham/Ros splitting 1-2 equally when the rule was decided on, but regardless, we'd be in the exact same position we are now.

There has only been 1 race all year where a Merc wasn't in the Top 2 places, and even then they were 3rd.. with Lewis (in Hungary). I think it would take a wackjob to bet against Lewis winning the WDC.

I'm looking at it this way... Nico hasn't won back to back races all season (or his F1 career for that matter). He won in Brazil, he isn't winning in Abu Dhabi. :rofl: Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

[Cos]

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[finboy]

Originally posted by Xtrema


ERP system that can run on Oracle or SQL as DB backend.

Oracle's is a direct competitor in the ERP space when they bought Peoplesoft which also owns JDE.

In ERP space, SAP is #1, Oracle bought its way into #2.

And if you get good at sap implementations, you can make some serious bank.

[Mibz]

One doesn't simply "get good" at SAP implementations.

[ganesh]

Back to the regular programming :)

Rosberg says Hamilton has to play fair. Are you serious Nico???

http://en.espnf1.com/abudhabi/motorsport/story/184675.html

[phreezee]

If I were Lewis, I'd just sit back and coast to 2nd. He'll easily have a double digit gap to 3rd and Nico can't ram him from 1st.:rofl:

[ganesh]

Originally posted by phreezee
If I were Lewis, I'd just sit back and coast to 2nd. He'll easily have a double digit gap to 3rd and Nico can't ram him from 1st.:rofl:
That sounds logical but Lewis will not just sit and take the second place. He is a racer at heart.

Some thing crazy is going to happen in Abu-Double :)

[diamondedge]

I think Lewis is intelligent enough to bide his time behind Rosberg, even if he wants to win.

If I were Lewis, I would try to maintain the balance of "I know I can cruise behind in 2nd but on a fresh set of tires...I'll push and if you shit then I will be there to snatch the win away"

[JustinL]

Lewis can afford to tangle with Nico as long as if things go wrong, they both get taken out. Lewis could just take a page out of his idol's book and lock it up before T1.

[chongkee_]

Originally posted by diamondedge
I think Lewis is intelligent enough to bide his time behind Rosberg, even if he wants to win.

If I were Lewis, I would try to maintain the balance of "I know I can cruise behind in 2nd but on a fresh set of tires...I'll push and if you shit then I will be there to snatch the win away"

During an interview before Brazil he mentioned that he'll be smarter about this but at the same he would still be chasing for the win.
He mentioned that he learned his lesson from 2007 when he tried too hard and it ended up costing him the championship.

[ganesh]

Originally posted by JustinL
Lewis can afford to tangle with Nico as long as if things go wrong, they both get taken out. Lewis could just take a page out of his idol's book and lock it up before T1.
I know I am sure that is what is playing in Nico's mind as well.

[phreezee]

Lewis could just end it in the first corner and take out the whole reliability question. Prost, Senna, Schumacher all did it :). I guess that's what Nico meant in the press conference when he said Lewis can make sure he drives clean. Quite an awkward press conference with Seb, Fernando and Jenson in the front row and Nico and Lewis separated by Hulkenberg.

Pos No Driver Team Time/Retired Gap Laps
1 44 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:43.476 32
2 6 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:43.609 0.133 31
3 14 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:45.184 1.708 22
4 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:45.334 1.858 30
5 3 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:45.361 1.885 23
6 25 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Renault 1:45.718 2.242 17
7 26 Daniil Kvyat STR-Renault 1:45.835 2.359 32
8 77 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Mercedes 1:45.913 2.437 8
9 11 Sergio Perez Force India-Mercedes 1:45.983 2.507 23
10 27 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1:46.030 2.554 24
11 20 Kevin Magnussen McLaren-Mercedes 1:46.049 2.573 23
12 7 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 1:46.131 2.655 23
13 19 Felipe Massa Williams-Mercedes 1:46.549 3.073 7
14 21 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1:46.556 3.080 28
15 13 Pastor Maldonado Lotus-Renault 1:46.711 3.235 31
16 31 Esteban Ocon Lotus-Renault 1:47.066 3.590 29
17 22 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:47.235 3.759 8
18 10 Kamui Kobayashi Caterham-Renault 1:47.971 4.495 24
19 37 Adderly Fong Sauber-Ferrari 1:48.269 4.793 25
20 46 Will Stevens Caterham-Renault 1:50.684 7.208 14


Pos No Driver Team Time/Retired Gap Laps
1 44 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:42.113 35
2 6 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:42.196 0.083 37
3 20 Kevin Magnussen McLaren-Mercedes 1:42.895 0.782 37
4 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:42.959 0.846 33
5 77 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Mercedes 1:43.070 0.957 34
6 3 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:43.183 1.070 32
7 7 Kimi Räikkönen Ferrari 1:43.489 1.376 33
8 22 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:43.503 1.390 23
9 26 Daniil Kvyat STR-Renault 1:43.546 1.433 38
10 19 Felipe Massa Williams-Mercedes 1:43.558 1.445 34
11 11 Sergio Perez Force India-Mercedes 1:43.746 1.633 37
12 13 Pastor Maldonado Lotus-Renault 1:44.005 1.892 38
13 27 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1:44.068 1.955 32
14 25 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Renault 1:44.157 2.044 39
15 21 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1:44.316 2.203 38
16 99 Adrian Sutil Sauber-Ferrari 1:44.763 2.650 37
17 8 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1:44.986 2.873 35
18 10 Kamui Kobayashi Caterham-Renault 1:45.505 3.392 38
19 46 Will Stevens Caterham-Renault 1:47.057 4.944 34
20 14 Fernando Alonso Ferrari No time 2


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[DJ Lazy]

Originally posted by JustinL
Lewis can afford to tangle with Nico as long as if things go wrong, they both get taken out. Lewis could just take a page out of his idol's book and lock it up before T1.

In today's F1, if Lewis did that he would throw his contract talks out the window with Mercedes. No way Merc. would put up with that.


Honestly... I just want Hamilton to put it on Pole (looking good so far), and then drive away from Nico to a 10-15s gap and win the race.

[ganesh]

Originally posted by DJ Lazy


In today's F1, if Lewis did that he would throw his contract talks out the window with Mercedes. No way Merc. would put up with that.


Honestly... I just want Hamilton to put it on Pole (looking good so far), and then drive away from Nico to a 10-15s gap and win the race.

Merc put up with Nico and a Slap on the wrist and rewarded him with a contract extension.
Don't tell me Merc will throw the cotract talks out the window. Even if that happens Lewis has other options.

[killramos]

Originally posted by ganesh


Merc put up with Nico and a Slap on the wrist and rewarded him with a contract extension.
Don't tell me Merc will throw the cotract talks out the window. Even if that happens Lewis has other options.

Yea mid season... We still don't know what the punishment was and never will. I will bet it hurt in other ways.

Who knows the agreement could be to give Hamilton the championship :dunno:

[DJ Lazy]

Originally posted by ganesh


Merc put up with Nico and a Slap on the wrist and rewarded him with a contract extension.
Don't tell me Merc will throw the cotract talks out the window. Even if that happens Lewis has other options.

Comparing Prost, Senna, Schumi-esque blatent title contender take outs to the end plate of a wing you can't even see clipping a tire are two totally different things. I may not like Rosberg, but I'm not dumb enough to believe he did that on purpose. :rofl:

Senna straight up took Prost out and had no intentions of making it around the first corner. Regardless of his "go for a gap" statements, he knew what he was doing, and to be honest the relationship between him and Prost was alot chillier than that of Ham/Ros.

Same with Schumi on Damon Hill (??)... Blatantly took him out..


Other options? Like what? Ferrari is Full, Williams is Full, Red Bull is Full, Mclaren, who freaking knows, but likely Full... You think he's prepared to walk away from the most dominant car in F1 right now? A car that will likely hand him his 2nd WDC, and possibly 3rd and 4th..

[ganesh]

Originally posted by DJ Lazy


Comparing Prost, Senna, Schumi-esque blatent title contender take outs to the end plate of a wing you can't even see clipping a tire are two totally different things. I may not like Rosberg, but I'm not dumb enough to believe he did that on purpose. :rofl:

Senna straight up took Prost out and had no intentions of making it around the first corner. Regardless of his "go for a gap" statements, he knew what he was doing, and to be honest the relationship between him and Prost was alot chillier than that of Ham/Ros.

Same with Schumi on Damon Hill (??)... Blatantly took him out..


Other options? Like what? Ferrari is Full, Williams is Full, Red Bull is Full, Mclaren, who freaking knows, but likely Full... You think he's prepared to walk away from the most dominant car in F1 right now? A car that will likely hand him his 2nd WDC, and possibly 3rd and 4th..

Nico admitted that he did that on purpose to Prove a point.
Other options after 2015....Mclaren has made it no secret that they want him back. Do you think that there will be no interest form Ferrari and Redbull if he becomes avaialble? I agree Merc is dominant right now but we all know how this circle works and don't bet against the masters of the Turbo - Honda

[rage2]

Originally posted by ganesh
don't bet against the masters of the Turbo - Honda
Honda's being turbo experts in the 80's F1 era really doesn't translate to today's engines. Even if it did, that's not where Merc is winning. The Ferrari/Renault/Mercedes turbo engines are all making similar power. It's the energy recovery, storage, and usage system where Mercedes has the huge advantage. That's where 99% of the power gap comes from.

[phreezee]

Of less concern, but still somewhat exciting is the battle for 4th in the WDC with 3 points separating Alonso, Vettel and Bottas. I'd love to see Vettel pushed to 6th.

4 Sebastian Vettel German Red Bull Racing-Renault 159
5 Fernando Alonso Spanish Ferrari 157
6 Valtteri Bottas Finnish Williams-Mercedes 156

[phreezee]

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[phreezee]

Not a lot of people are talking about it, but worth noting that Caterham is back!


Caterham, who fell into administration last month, have made an unlikely return to the grid after a two-race absence thanks to a successful crowdfunding scheme which has raised nearly £2 million in two weeks.

[phreezee]

I'm gonna miss Jenson if he's gone:

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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/11/21/235DFDA200000578-2844045-The_McLaren_driver_then_sported_a_sheepish_grin_after_Rosberg_s_-57_1416573175076.jpg

[phreezee]

There goes Plan A for Lewis.:burnout:

[rage2]

Pole sitter has only won once here. This IS his plan A! :rofl:

[phreezee]

Haha, Red Bull gives you illegal wings! Might mean a 5th or 6th place for Vettel this year.


UPDATE: Red Bull have been excluded from qualifying for 'flexible' front wings.


http://www1.skysports.com/f1/report/12433/9574861/stewards-investigating-flexible-front-wings-on-red-bull-cars

[DJ Lazy]

Originally posted by phreezee
Haha, Red Bull gives you illegal wings! Might mean a 5th or 6th place for Vettel this year.


UPDATE: Red Bull have been excluded from qualifying for 'flexible' front wings.


http://www1.skysports.com/f1/report/12433/9574861/stewards-investigating-flexible-front-wings-on-red-bull-cars

They just never learn do they! :nut:

[Sykes]

I really it to go to Rosberg, but it's really looking like it's not going to be...

EDIT: Nico's done - ERS is dead and Massa is eating up the gap between them...

[phreezee]

Originally posted by rage2
Pole sitter has only won once here. This IS his plan A! :rofl:

Great call :thumbsup:

I'm really glad Hamilton was way ahead of Nico when the issue happened to lessen any controversy.

Lotus ends the year like they started, pretty spectacular fire.

[Sykes]

Both of Rosberg's hybrid units are dead - he's just running on his ICE.

Tough break!

[R154]

Victory.

[phreezee]

Amazing season! Get in there Lewis!

[phreezee]

Fitting:

[s dime]

Great race. I'm happy Lewis pulled it off!

And what a crazy venue. All I could see was dollar signs from the helicopter cam. :nut:

[ottamania]

ffs. reliability hits rosberg. wish it was the other way around with LH finishing 14th. screw his complainer ass anyway.

[DJ Lazy]

Originally posted by ottamania
ffs. reliability hits rosberg. wish it was the other way around with LH finishing 14th. screw his complainer ass anyway.

Typical hater.

[phreezee]

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[ganesh]

Originally posted by ottamania
ffs. reliability hits rosberg. wish it was the other way around with LH finishing 14th. screw his complainer ass anyway.

Typical Hater. Reliablity is not the reason why Lewis won this race. The race was over by the first corner.

[killramos]

Glad to see Lewis win, surprised to see that much hate for him but whatever. Always good to see your driver win :D

I found the race quite exciting, no knowing what was happening with Rosberg and Hamilton's gap to Massa, wow the williams is great this year...

[phreezee]

Paddy Lowe on Nico's issue. F1 app said ERS is worth about 150hp deficit.

http://adamcooperf1.com/2014/11/24/paddy-lowe-it-wasnt-the-ideal-race-for-us/?


“There was a failure in the cooling system for the hybrid systems, and that was the thing that caused everything to fall apart around it. That was the core of the problem, and it cascaded into a number of other issues. Everything is linked together – the turbo isn’t working very well, and so on. Different things were coming in and out.

“I think if we stand back and analyse the season as a whole we weren’t as reliable as we should have been, but actually the unreliability fell quite equitably in the end. But overall, great to win the race itself. It takes us to 16 wins, and it was great for Lewis.”

[rage2]

I wonder if it had to do with Rosberg going off and hopping over the curb hard that damaged the cooling system. He finished that lap (last sector) only a second off pace, but the subsequent lap dropped by 6 seconds.

[phreezee]

Most likely it was his off, but it didn't look so bad from the replay.

Have to thank Nico Rosberg for making it an exciting season, which could have easily been dull like 2013.
:thumbsup:

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[rage2]

Originally posted by phreezee
Most likely it was his off, but it didn't look so bad from the replay.
Yea that's what I thought too. The race thread over at AS had some guys who were there in the grandstands commenting on how much sparks flew off the car when it hit the curb and how loud it was. It was a lot bigger than it looked on TV.

[H4LFY2nR]

The rivalry between them kept the season interesting. As a Hamilton fan, I'm happy he won, it's just too bad Rosberg had that failure. Before the race I was looking forward to some high stakes wheel-to-wheel action between them.

Rosberg has definitely redeemed himself by showing some true sportsmanship after the race. I wonder if they're friends-on again lol

[DJ Lazy]

Originally posted by H4LFY2nR
I wonder if they're friends-on again lol

Probably till about March 15, 2015. :D

[rage2]

Originally posted by H4LFY2nR
I wonder if they're friends-on again lol
Hamilton says they're competing, they'll work together. It's a totally different level from their karting days, where they were close and had tons of stories together. But will they go out for dinner together now? Probably not.

[ottamania]

Originally posted by DJ Lazy


Typical hater.

I am indeed. :guns: