Climate Change

[Thales of Miletus]

Climate Change. Do you believe it is man made?

Multiple votes allowed.

[speedog]

PhD and you can't use the English language properly in one of your poll questions?

[speedog]

On topic, I beginning to believe this big, old ball of dirt will easily outlast the human race and still be alive and well long after we're gone. That said, I can still strive to lessen what I perceive to be any negative impact I may have on the environment around me.

[JRSC00LUDE]

There are already intensive threads on this, search.

[rx7_turbo2]

Not sure this needed a new thread, how many of these threads are there now :dunno:

[btimbit]

Climate change is caused by immigrants.

Oh and Jews

[dirtsniffer]

"Only are kids..." I picked this one cause thales is clearly a troll. Please ban.

[J-D]

Originally posted by btimbit
Climate change is caused by immigrants.

Oh and Jews

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[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by btimbit
Climate change is caused by immigrants.

Oh and Jews

Don't forget the lizard people. They want a warmer climate so they don't need to wear their human meat suits anymore.

[Seth1968]

Climate change is caused by thermometers:)

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


Don't forget the lizard people. They want a warmer climate so they don't need to wear their human meat suits anymore.

That explains everything:eek:

[Nitro5]

It's a combo of natural and man influenced.

[kertejud2]

Originally posted by btimbit
Climate change is caused by immigrants.

Oh and Jews

Jewish immigrants. The worst kind of immigrants.

[Nitro5]

And ziowhatthefucktheyarecalled

[btimbit]

Originally posted by kertejud2


Jewish immigrants. The worst kind of immigrants.

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[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
There are already intensive threads on this, search.

Sorry for the re-post. I will use the search function in the future.

Noob mistake.

I am glad to see that a reasonable number of people accept the science. If I made this post in the United States, and large portion would say that it is a hoax. Which goes to show that Canada still has some honesty in media and citizens who cannot be fooled by corporate propaganda.

Anyone that understands the science would understand that man is obviously having an affect. But I can see how people can be fooled, many of the memes used by those in positions of power are convincing.

[codetrap]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus
Noob mistake. Sooooo.. you're really not a long time lurker first time poster like you said in the other thread then....

[FixedGear]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus

having an affect.

This is the second glaring spelling mistake you've made in this thread, Mr. PhD-twenty-years-ago :rolleyes:

[Sugarphreak]

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[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by FixedGear


This is the second glaring spelling mistake you've made in this thread, Mr. PhD-twenty-years-ago :rolleyes:

Nope, I used affect correctly." Affect" is a verb, "Effect" is a noun. i.e.The weather conditions will have an affect on people

Sometimes I used slang, or shorthand, which means I am lazy but not retarded.

If you doubt my education, you can work out the radiative forcing of CO2 for yourself. Compare it to pre-industrial levels by simply using the formula {delta F = 5.35 X ln (Cf/Ci)Wm-2}. Where "Cf" would be current levels of CO2 at 390 ppm and pre-industrial "Ci" were at 280 ppm.

There are more complicated formulas, which take into account the changes in CO2 absorption band at high altitudes, but the calculation only makes up to a 3% difference in accuracy.

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


+1

This is what I would have picked if the poll wasn't heavily biased and omitted it

How is it bias?

But no, it is not a combination of natural and man. It is all man.

Nature can absorb all of the CO2 it produces, plus 40% of what man produces. Man puts the heavier isotope Carbon 13 into the atmosphere, where plants use more Carbon 12 than 13. By checking the ratios of the Carbon isotopes we can see that mankind is causing the shift in CO2 ppm.

[Nitro5]

So the climate has never changed until man started pumping CO2 into the atmosphere?

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by Nitro5
So the climate has never changed until man started pumping CO2 into the atmosphere?

Sure it did. Over hundreds of thousands of years. Giving life on Earth time to evolve to the new environments.

However, man is changing the climate more rapidly than it can adapt. And for that reason, every creature on this planet is going to suffer. Perhaps even experiencing an extinction level event.

There have been sudden changes in the Earth's past that show what ELEs do. For example the lake Toba eruption. That ELE just about wiped man out before he even made his start.

[FixedGear]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


Nope, I used affect correctly." Affect" is a verb, "Effect" is a noun. i.e.The weather conditions will have an affect on people

Sometimes I used slang, or shorthand, which means I am lazy but not retarded.

If you doubt my education, you can work out the radiative forcing of CO2 for yourself. Compare it to pre-industrial levels by simply using the formula {delta F = 5.35 X ln (Cf/Ci)Wm-2}. Where "Cf" would be current levels of CO2 at 390 ppm and pre-industrial "Ci" were at 280 ppm.

There are more complicated formulas, which take into account the changes in CO2 absorption band at high altitudes, but the calculation only makes up to a 3% difference in accuracy.

Clearly whatever schools you attended taught a different English than is known to the rest of the world.

[FixedGear]

Once again I'll correct your improper grammar:


Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


How is it biased?

[FixedGear]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


How is it bias?

But no, it is not a combination of natural and man. It is all man.

Nature can absorb all of the CO2 it produces, plus 40% of what man produces. Man puts the heavier isotope Carbon 13 into the atmosphere, where plants use more Carbon 12 than 13. By checking the ratios of the Carbon isotopes we can see that mankind is causing the shift in CO2 ppm.

Hey folks, politics aside, this guy has absolutely no clue wtf he's talking about.

[speedog]

No, no, no, no and no.

That are good english hee are using end are kids wood bee well adviced too pay heed too him.

[Seth1968]

Grammar=intelligence :bullshit:

[Nitro5]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


Sure it did. Over hundreds of thousands of years. Giving life on Earth time to evolve to the new environments.

However, man is changing the climate more rapidly than it can adapt. And for that reason, every creature on this planet is going to suffer. Perhaps even experiencing an extinction level event.

There have been sudden changes in the Earth's past that show what ELEs do. For example the lake Toba eruption. That ELE just about wiped man out before he even made his start.

So as I stated there is natural climate change with human influence, which you flat out said was false.

[killramos]

Originally posted by FixedGear


Hey folks, politics aside, this guy has absolutely no clue wtf he's talking about.

But didn't you know that upon receiving your phd in Greek literature you get the ability to be hooked up to the secret worldwide knowledge machine that makes you an expert in everything including geo-engineering, economics, philosophy.

He is just a troll in the same rank as Arash or Toma. I had fun with him in that other thread but I am limiting myself to that. I won't respond to him directly in these stupid threads.

My bet is the guy doesn't last 2 months.

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by FixedGear


Hey folks, politics aside, this guy has absolutely no clue wtf he's talking about.

And you do?

Please elaborate on "truth"

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by FixedGear


Hey folks, politics aside, this guy has absolutely no clue wtf he's talking about.

Oh dear, a grammar Nazi who thinks his ability to spot typos and spelling mistakes makes him a universal mastermind.

I shall be more careful with my typing in the future.

But since you have judged me on my spelling, demonstrate your intellect by showing me your understanding of science. You dropped the gauntlet when you said "No clue".

Tell me why increasing the level of CO2 would not lead to an increase in the greenhouse effect.

p.s. By the way, the human mind can understand typed words, even when tohse wrods are copmlelety scramlbed up.


Originally posted by killramos

He is just a troll in the same rank as Arash or Toma. I had fun with him in that other thread but I am limiting myself to that. I won't respond to him directly in these stupid threads.

My bet is the guy doesn't last 2 months.

What is your point? That this is your turf and that you get to define people, control what is said, and that your opinions are superior to any others?

This is called the internet. A vast void that has no limits on the amount of information it can contain. If I type something you don't like, ignore it. Or are you saying that you lack the fortitude to turn away from a topic you do not like?

I get a kick out of you people that try to control information. I believe your kind is fearful, and that reality is something you cannot cope with. You create, or choose, a comfortable illusion. But as is the case with all illusions, facts can shatter it. Therefore you have to go out into the net and stop those who would tell you something that goes against your false and fragile reality.

[btimbit]

Yup.

Thales is an idiot

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by btimbit
Yup.

Thales is an idiot

Because you say so?

My friend runs a daycare. The other day I watched as several children bitched and complained that their caregiver was mean for wanting them to take a nap.

Just because one adult was out voiced by several children, didn't make the children right. That is a concept you should familiarize yourself with, before you join the choirs of imbeciles.

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


Nope, I used affect correctly." Affect" is a verb, "Effect" is a noun. i.e.The weather conditions will have an affect on people

Sometimes I used slang, or shorthand, which means I am lazy but not retarded.

If you doubt my education, you can work out the radiative forcing of CO2 for yourself. Compare it to pre-industrial levels by simply using the formula {delta F = 5.35 X ln (Cf/Ci)Wm-2}. Where "Cf" would be current levels of CO2 at 390 ppm and pre-industrial "Ci" were at 280 ppm.

There are more complicated formulas, which take into account the changes in CO2 absorption band at high altitudes, but the calculation only makes up to a 3% difference in accuracy.

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[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by Nitro5


So as I stated there is natural climate change with human influence, which you flat out said was false.

How did you glean that from what I typed?

I can see that complete answers are important, so I will be pedantic.

Nature produces far more CO2 than man, but nature also absorbs the CO2 it produces. Nature also has the capacity to absorb about 60% of what man produces. However that extra 40% accumulates year after year.

Because of this accumulation, the level of CO2 has climbed from 275ppm in 1750 a.d. to 400 ppm today. Ocean ph has also changed, becoming less basic since 1750 a.d.

These are signs that man is the cause of the CO2 build up.

Unless you could tell me of another source of CO2 there is no argument.

p.s. Modern Volcanic activity produces diddly squat.

[btimbit]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


Because you say so?

Just basing my argument on the evidence you've presented.


Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


My friend runs a daycare. The other day I watched as several children bitched and complained that their caregiver was mean for wanting them to take a nap.

Just because one adult was out voiced by several children, didn't make the children right. That is a concept you should familiarize yourself with, before you join the choirs of imbeciles.

:rofl: Yup. I'm convinced. You just have no clue

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by btimbit


Just basing my argument on the evidence you've presented.



:rofl: Yup. I'm convinced. You just have no clue

I see your type of response all over the internet.

You join with several others to assess an argument. But without facts, you are just in a mob, not on the side of the informed.

This group think method gives you comfort in ignorance. It doesn't make you right and it results in your continual dull mindset.

You could read up on what I am talking about and then make a cogent counter point. But that is too much work for those who choose the comfort of the mob over the comfort of knowledge. So of course, the lazy respond with, "Duh, you iz stoopid and yer grammar sucks".

[kertejud2]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


Nope, I used affect correctly." Affect" is a verb, "Effect" is a noun. i.e.The weather conditions will have an affect on people



Affect is actually both a noun and a verb (so is 'effect' ) but you are using it incorrectly regardless.

You can react to something "with affect" (noun) or something can "affect an outcome" (verb) however something cannot have "an affect" on something else. Also, something can "effect a situation" (verb), see "effects of a situation" (noun) as well as have "an effect" (noun) on something else.


So in short, the correct way would be "The weather conditions will have an effect on people".




On a side note:
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[01RedDX]

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[Sugarphreak]

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[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by 01RedDX




So which is it? (Please say 60% cause it sounds better)

60% was a typo 40% is the correct amount.

But I am more concerned that people think about why they believe something, than with whether they believe in Climate Change or not.

We live in a society where power controls the media and therefore the message. No place is this worse than the United States, and as Canadians we are constantly exposed to their culture. But American media has no law or regulation that requires they tell the truth. So as a Canadians we should investigate everything that is said, rather than believing what is said by our favorite talking head.

When people give answers like " That guys a fucktard". That means that they don't know. It means that they have been told something so often that they have accepted it. This is called programming, and going against program is very hard for some people. It emotionally upsets them.

Hitler said(paraphrasing) that you repeat a lie until it becomes truth, and Orwell warned about the kind of brainwashing that people face today. But people still fall into a complacent form of existence, where they accept the message, as long as life is tolerable.

All I want people to do, is really think about what they are being told. Who is telling it, what their motives are, what the consequences are.

People can doubt me all they like, as long as they do so with knowledge instead of faith.

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
^^ I think what he meant to say was:

Nature also has the capacity to absorb about POTATO of what man produces.

Reductio ad absurdum for those who wish to obfuscate. ^^^

p.s. Like I just said in the post above. Name calling is for those who do not know, but believe.

Sort of like God people.

[Nitro5]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


How did you glean that from what I typed?

I can see that complete answers are important, so I will be pedantic.

Nature produces far more CO2 than man, but nature also absorbs the CO2 it produces. Nature also has the capacity to absorb about 60% of what man produces. However that extra 40% accumulates year after year.

Because of this accumulation, the level of CO2 has climbed from 275ppm in 1750 a.d. to 400 ppm today. Ocean ph has also changed, becoming less basic since 1750 a.d.

These are signs that man is the cause of the CO2 build up.

Unless you could tell me of another source of CO2 there is no argument.

p.s. Modern Volcanic activity produces diddly squat.

I gleaned from your direct statement


But no, it is not a combination of natural and man. It is all man.

[A790]

Denying the influence of climate change is akin to putting your head in the sand. Whether it is man-made/influenced or not is irrelevant, we are already beginning to experience some of its effects and will likely continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

What makes the most sense at this point is to determine how we are going to deal with it as opposed to simply ignore it. The more proactive we are the less we will need to mitigate in the future.

We may experience some short-term harm (almost completely economically) but the long-term benefits significantly outweigh them. We need to thing long-game on this one, like a carefully planned and executed investment strategy.

[FixedGear]

For the record Thales of Miletus, I'm not arguing about climate change, only your claims and insinuations regarding your PhD and expertise in climate science.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus

But since you have judged me on my spelling, demonstrate your intellect by showing me your understanding of science.

As much as FixedGear and I may not see eye to eye on some issues, being ignorant of science is about the last thing I would ever accuse him of.

Just saying.

[rx7_turbo2]

Do some of you guys not have Thales on ignore?

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat


As much as FixedGear and I may not see eye to eye on some issues, being ignorant of science is about the last thing I would ever accuse him of.

Just saying.

Me too.

Don't question anything, and shut the hell up.

The EXACT opposite of science.

[HuMz]

Originally posted by A790
Denying the influence of climate change is akin to putting your head in the sand. Whether it is man-made/influenced or not is irrelevant, we are already beginning to experience some of its effects and will likely continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

What makes the most sense at this point is to determine how we are going to deal with it as opposed to simply ignore it. The more proactive we are the less we will need to mitigate in the future.

We may experience some short-term harm (almost completely economically) but the long-term benefits significantly outweigh them. We need to thing long-game on this one, like a carefully planned and executed investment strategy.

How can whether or not it's man caused or not be irrelevant? It would seem the solution would be different depending upon whether or not we as humans are the main cause or if this is just part of a natural cycle.

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by FixedGear
For the record Thales of Miletus, I'm not arguing about climate change, only your claims and insinuations regarding your PhD and expertise in climate science.

Because I made a typo?

I spend my time thinking about the best way to get a thought across when I am typing, I also try to use proper English. But sometimes I will say " your" instead of "you're", or" who" instead of "whom". I credit people with being able to still get my meaning, even when I make an error.

There is a reason why I took physics, linear algebra, and calculus in University and not English Lit.

You suggested I don't understand science and therefore I invited you to debate the science. If you would like to do so, perhaps some of the other readers on this site might learn something helpful.

I would think that the correlation between the industrial revolution and the rise in CO2 concentration would be enough proof that man is behind the change. But there are other facts available, if a person isn't convinced on that point alone.

[btimbit]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


I see your type of response all over the internet.

You join with several others to assess an argument. But without facts, you are just in a mob, not on the side of the informed.

This group think method gives you comfort in ignorance. It doesn't make you right and it results in your continual dull mindset.

You could read up on what I am talking about and then make a cogent counter point. But that is too much work for those who choose the comfort of the mob over the comfort of knowledge. So of course, the lazy respond with, "Duh, you iz stoopid and yer grammar sucks".

I never commented on your grammar. Nobody really cares about your poor grammar and spelling. Just looking for shit to bug you about since you're an obvious troll.






I'm making braised shortrib ravioli tonight. Haven't done homemade pasta in a long time. Can't wait!

[dirtsniffer]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus

There is a reason why I took physics, linear algebra, and calculus in University and not English Lit.


So you took first year and couldn't hack it?

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[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by btimbit


I never commented on your grammar. Nobody really cares about your poor grammar and spelling. Just looking for shit to bug you about since you're an obvious troll.


I'm making braised shortrib ravioli tonight. Haven't done homemade pasta in a long time. Can't wait!

I think you have a misunderstanding of what a troll is.

Trolls are people who try to control the content of a conversation. Either because they derive glee from being an annoyance, or they feel that they are protecting a domain from thoughts that differ from their own.

If you guys don't wish to discuss the topics I bring up, I have no problem with that. You can think and believe whatever you want.

I was simply looking for an adult discussion. I was told a person could have that here, but perhaps not.

[A790]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus
I was simply looking for an adult discussion. I was told a person could have that here, but perhaps not.
Well, you made the mistake of having a Greek philosopher as a username, making a few typos, and admitting to having a PHD. :drama:

[infamous]

Originally posted by A790

Well, you made the mistake of having a Greek philosopher as a username, making a few typos, and admitting to having a PHD. :drama:


:werd: :werd: :werd: :werd: :werd:

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus
Trolls are people who try to control the content of a conversation. Either because they derive glee from being an annoyance, or they feel that they are protecting a domain from thoughts that differ from their own.

So, trolls are Arash. Unable, or unwilling, to engage in an exchange of factual information that disproves their "thoughts"? Yes.

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by A790

Well, you made the mistake of having a Greek philosopher as a username, making a few typos, and admitting to having a PHD. :drama:

Is it the big things in life that matter or typos?

I like Philosophy. I believe that learning the wisdom of those who came before, is a great way to develop your own wisdoms. i.e. To err (typo) is human.

I didn't admit to having a PHD, it was suggested that I had a PHD. To which I said twenty years ago.

But lets try to get on topic once again.

I discuss climate change, because I want to know of all of the denial theories. Sometimes people bring up really relevant points. Subjects that I have to read up on in order to provide a valid response. In the past, people have mentioned the saturation effect, SO2 production in China, and even the idea that increased high level water vapor will counter the increase in CO2. Those are scientific arguments that had to be examined.

p.s. If a person doesn't wish to discuss a topic that I bring up, simply ignore it, and it will fall off the page. I certainly don't need to bump a dead thread.


Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE


So, trolls are Arash. Unable, or unwilling, to engage in an exchange of factual information that disproves their "thoughts"? Yes.

I found some of Arash's comments to be a little out there. Unfortunately he also has some reasonable thoughts that are discredited by his wild ones. But I simple didn't reply to his wild ideas, because there is nothing to be gained by debating those who are radicalized. They are simply looking for confirmation.

[killramos]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


I didn't admit to having a PHD, it was suggested that I had a PHD. To which I said twenty years ago.





Originally posted by BandW

Let me know when you're done with your PhD.

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus

>>>Twenty years ago.

Just for everyone else's reference on how much of an idiot you really are.

You spend 3 pages telling people to read between the lines of your spelling mistakes and now you claim that your above statement wasn't you implieing that you have a PhD?
:facepalm:

You need a get a grip and stop hiding behind your philosophical drivel.

You have your bullshit pointed out by your own opposing statements and this shit.

You sound like you are some 19 year old student who recently completely their first year of a generic science degree and have decided you are a climate scientist.

No one on here is trying to silence you, they just don't like you and want you to go away. You are only tolerated so long as you are entertaining. If you want to make a statement and entertain forum members further I recomend you rip someone on the forum off and spend a few months trying to sue the site and and claiming about how you have done nothing wrong.

You are most definitely a troll, and admittedly a good enough one that I have broken my rule and come back to yell at you.

[JRSC00LUDE]

"implying" ;)

[killramos]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
"implying" ;)

Another useless post by...


:D

:rofl:

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by killramos


Another useless post by...


:D

:rofl:


Hey, what are you implieing?! :rofl:

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[Xtrema]

Who cares. The nature is self-regulating. Humans will adapt or die trying. Eventually, we will either wipe ourselves out or be wiped out and the balance will be restore until the next dominant species shows up.

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by killramos




Just for everyone else's reference on how much of an idiot you really are.

You spend 3 pages telling people to read between the lines of your spelling mistakes and now you claim that your above statement wasn't you implieing that you have a PhD?
:facepalm:

You need a get a grip and stop hiding behind your philosophical drivel.

You have your bullshit pointed out by your own opposing statements and this shit.

You sound like you are some 19 year old student who recently completely their first year of a generic science degree and have decided you are a climate scientist.

No one on here is trying to silence you, they just don't like you and want you to go away. You are only tolerated so long as you are entertaining. If you want to make a statement and entertain forum members further I recomend you rip someone on the forum off and spend a few months trying to sue the site and and claiming about how you have done nothing wrong.

You are most definitely a troll, and admittedly a good enough one that I have broken my rule and come back to yell at you.

This is hilarious. ^^^

The off topic rant of an angry man, who insists that others are trolls.

The hypocrisy is epic.

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by Xtrema
Who cares. The nature is self-regulating. Humans will adapt or die trying. Eventually, we will either wipe ourselves out or be wiped out and the balance will be restore until the next dominant species shows up.

But as the guardians of the planet, don't we have a responsibility to care for it?

Man will be the last creature left standing after a huge die off. It would be sad to lose creatures like Lions and Elephants, Parrots and Dolphins, all because man can't get his shit together.

Climate Change is about greed dominating over reason.

[A790]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


Is it the big things in life that matter or typos?

I like Philosophy. I believe that learning the wisdom of those who came before, is a great way to develop your own wisdoms. i.e. To err (typo) is human.

I didn't admit to having a PHD, it was suggested that I had a PHD. To which I said twenty years ago.

But lets try to get on topic once again.

I discuss climate change, because I want to know of all of the denial theories. Sometimes people bring up really relevant points. Subjects that I have to read up on in order to provide a valid response. In the past, people have mentioned the saturation effect, SO2 production in China, and even the idea that increased high level water vapor will counter the increase in CO2. Those are scientific arguments that had to be examined.

p.s. If a person doesn't wish to discuss a topic that I bring up, simply ignore it, and it will fall off the page. I certainly don't need to bump a dead thread.
Firstly, my post was sarcastic.

Next, as smart as you may be, you clearly don't understand how to communicate with people. Your posts come off as arrogant and condescending- how can you expect to cultivate reasonable dialogue when you are talking down to people? Effective communication is the result of both parties having a mutual respect for each other, even if viewpoints differ. A message board is already a hard medium to establish that on, let alone when you are attempting to do so while standing on a soapbox.

Finally, like Arash/Robin Goodfellow/others, you appear to ask more questions than you do provide meaningful input. Contrary to what you (or they) may believe, that is not engaging in discussion. Diverting away when addressed or when a question is directed towards you makes your intentions perfectly clear. You need to provide as much, or more, input than you receive.


Originally posted by Thales of Miletus

The off topic rant of an angry man, who insists that others are trolls.

What a witty retort. As if my points above needed further validation...

EDIT: Also, I added another option to the poll that I felt was missing. :)

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


But as the guardians of the planet, don't we have a responsibility to care for it?

Man will be the last creature left standing after a huge die off. It would be sad to lose creatures like Lions and Elephants, Parrots and Dolphins, all because man can't get his shit together.

Climate Change is about greed dominating over reason.

Do what we can but I'm not worried about it. If the condition is man made, the only way the planet can be saved is to wipe humans out. If it's not, we just have to endure. We should worry less about saving this planet and get our butts into finding the next one we can colonize and live on.

We are still expanding with limited resources, something is going to give. Any effort we do is just to prolong the inevitable.

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by A790

Firstly, my post was sarcastic.

Next, as smart as you may be, you clearly don't understand how to communicate with people. Your posts come off as arrogant and condescending- how can you expect to cultivate reasonable dialogue when you are talking down to people? Effective communication is the result of both parties having a mutual respect for each other, even if viewpoints differ. A message board is already a hard medium to establish that on, let alone when you are attempting to do so while standing on a soapbox.

Finally, like Arash/Robin Goodfellow/others, you appear to ask more questions than you do provide meaningful input. Contrary to what you (or they) may believe, that is not engaging in discussion. Diverting away when addressed or when a question is directed towards you makes your intentions perfectly clear. You need to provide as much, or more, input than you receive.



What a witty retort. As if my points above needed further validation...

ONce again, Wow!

Where do you guys come up with this stuff? I haven't insulted anyone, I haven't bragged about my education, nor have I been pontificating.

On the other hand I have been subject to amateur psychoanalysis which seems to be serving the purpose of ruling whether I belong in the local cliche.

I ask questions of people, in order to continue the conversation and to get their thoughts on the matter. Then if they ask me a question, I can reply.

However, if you think I am worse than Hitler, then simply debate me on the science. Using facts, not hyperbole, and science, instead of denial agitprop.

Or you can simply ignore me. The power is in the hands of the reader, not the writer.

Truth does not have bias, so if I write about truth with an assertive nature, that is because I am presenting a fact. And as they say, facts are hard.

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by Xtrema




We are still expanding with limited resources, something is going to give. Any effort we do is just to prolong the inevitable.

Sadly, I do agree that a cull is in order. I sometimes think that stopping epidemics is a mistake, as that is natures way of thinning the herd.

[suntan]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


Sadly, I do agree that a cull is in order. I sometimes think that stopping epidemics is a mistake, as that is natures way of thinning the herd. Can we start with you? I've always wanted to slice and dice someone.

[A790]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


ONce again, Wow!

Where do you guys come up with this stuff? I haven't insulted anyone, I haven't bragged about my education, nor have I been pontificating.

On the other hand I have been subject to amateur psychoanalysis which seems to be serving the purpose of ruling whether I belong in the local cliche.

I ask questions of people, in order to continue the conversation and to get their thoughts on the matter. Then if they ask me a question, I can reply.

However, if you think I am worse than Hitler, then simply debate me on the science. Using facts, not hyperbole, and science, instead of denial agitprop.

Or you can simply ignore me. The power is in the hands of the reader, not the writer.

Truth does not have bias, so if I write about truth with an assertive nature, that is because I am presenting a fact. And as they say, facts are hard.
Alllllright genius, allow me to break this down for you:

"I haven't insulted anyone, I haven't bragged about my education, nor have I been pontificating."

Wasn't even discussed in my post, but alright, since you brought it up your post seven posts above this one would suggest otherwise.

"On the other hand I have been subject to amateur psychoanalysis which seems to be serving the purpose of ruling whether I belong in the local cliche."

Pretty sure the word you were looking for was "clique".

"I ask questions of people, in order to continue the conversation and to get their thoughts on the matter. Then if they ask me a question, I can reply."

Hard to argue with that. However, are you sure that's why you do it?

"However, if you think I am worse than Hitler, then simply debate me on the science. Using facts, not hyperbole, and science, instead of denial agitprop."

Well, I made a post above explaining why you're getting a predominantly negative reaction to your posts and you replied with "ONce again, Wow! Where do you guys come up with this stuff?"

My post wasn't accusatory in nature. I didn't say anything mean. I laid out some simple communicative facts which, as you know, are hard... even for you, apparently.

[C_Dave45]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


ONce again, Wow!

Where do you guys come up with this stuff? I haven't insulted anyone, I haven't bragged about my education, nor have I been pontificating.

On the other hand I have been subject to amateur psychoanalysis which seems to be serving the purpose of ruling whether I belong in the local cliche.

I ask questions of people, in order to continue the conversation and to get their thoughts on the matter. Then if they ask me a question, I can reply.

However, if you think I am worse than Hitler, then simply debate me on the science. Using facts, not hyperbole, and science, instead of denial agitprop.

Or you can simply ignore me. The power is in the hands of the reader, not the writer.

Truth does not have bias, so if I write about truth with an assertive nature, that is because I am presenting a fact. And as they say, facts are hard.

Wow...you're still yammering on about this?

Is this why you joined a car forum?

[killramos]

Originally posted by C_Dave45


Wow...you're still yammering on about this?

Is this why you joined a car forum?

Still not a single official post on his account.

There are other forums out there that enforce a minimum post count / tenure in relevant topics to gain access to society/law side sections. Maybe beyond should do the same :dunno: . Or at least enforce the 30 day rule from the marketplace?

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by A790
[B]
Alllllright genius, allow me to break this down for you:




You still are not on topic. And it seems pretty clear to me that I was instantly attacked because I defended Toma, who was also being attacked.

Toma has never struck me as mean spirited or arrogant.

He is obviously well read and concerned about the welfare of the community at large.

There is a book called "The Ragged-Trousered Philanthropists", and it's theme explains why the lowly attack those who are trying to help society.

Here is a Wiki link so you can give it a quick view.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ragged-Trousered_Philanthropists

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by C_Dave45


Wow...you're still yammering on about this?

Is this why you joined a car forum?


If you can recommend a political blog in Alberta I will be happy to give it a look see.

As for cars, I doubt there is much anyone here can tell me.

Maybe Toma could give me some pointers as he and I like Fords.

If I was to build a car today I would simply find a Fox body, put an LSx in it, and install twin turbos. The only thing I might inquire about is the abilities of pintle style versus disc style high volume injectors.

[FixedGear]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus

Toma has never struck me as mean spirited or arrogant.

He is obviously well read and concerned about the welfare of the community at large.


ask him about his opinions on homosexuals and drug addicts.

[killramos]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


As for cars, I doubt there is much anyone here can tell me.



Oh wow, he now knows more about cars than anyone on here...

:rofl:

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by FixedGear


ask him about his opinions on homosexuals and drug addicts.

Or the Palestinian state, or NATO, or Chavez, or Chomsky, or...............

No Toma isn't arrogant at all, humble people often call others Neanderthals, or mental midgets, or homophobic slurs :rofl:

Is this Thales guy serious?

[dirtsniffer]

I like how you make building a car sound so simple. Just like how you over simplify everything else. Climate change is a big issue. Think global. You spamming beyond its not going to do anything. Go join some Chinese message board.

[btimbit]

Originally posted by killramos


Oh wow, he now knows more about cars than anyone on here...

:rofl:

Well of course, what with all that book learnin' and stuff

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by killramos


Oh wow, he now knows more about cars than anyone on here...

:rofl:

You seem to have no issues with lying. It is what children do, men have integrity.

I never said I know more than anyone here. But you had to lie to make my comment sound arrogant. So I guess you have proved that you are a troll.

Why can't you talk about the topic or just leave it alone?

What sort of individuals, need to spam others? It seems you are part of a group of flamers, as it is the same group that attacks as a unit.

What should we call your little mob? The Beyond Children, the Beyond Stupid, or perhaps the Beyond Reason?

In all seriousness you guys act like a bunch of bitchy women. Natter natter natter, bitch bitch bitch. Do all of you menstruate at the same time too?

[rx7_turbo2]

^^^There we go, it was only a matter of time.:rolleyes:

[FixedGear]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus

the Beyond Stupid

I gotta give credit where credit is due - that's an excellent name for our little group here (some of us more than others, but i digress) :rofl:

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


Or the Palestinian state, or NATO, or Chavez, or Chomsky, or...............

No Toma isn't arrogant at all, humble people often call others Neanderthals, or mental midgets, or homophobic slurs :rofl:

Is this Thales guy serious?

The internet most serious flaw, is that it enables ignorance. The internet seems to make people think, that they can say the stupidest shit imaginable, and that they are then relevant.

If Toma has labeled someone a fucktard, it might just be because they are a fucktard. I consider a person to be a imbecile if they repeat the memes of the day. "Obama is a Commie", or some similar dumb shit.

I try to be respectful on the internet, as I believe a man demonstrates his worth when he isn't accountable. If he can behave when Santa isn't watching, then he has some class.

But to be honest, I haven't been impressed by the maturity I have seen on this site. Many replies are immature, and the insults aren't even creative.

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus
If Toma has labeled someone a fucktard, it might just be because they are a fucktard.

What about when he labeled me a fag? Am I homosexual?

I'm not sure what your relationship with Toma is, but I'm going to suggest the man you think he is certainly isn't the man he portrayed himself as here. You're having a similar transformation, you started all high and mighty "look at my PhD". Now you're just calling people names like everyone else. Tell me again how you're more of a man.

[dirtsniffer]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


The internet most serious flaw, is that it enables ignorance.
.

In my opinion the internets most serious flaw is it allows people to have a false sense of enlightenment.

[btimbit]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus

The internet seems to make people think, that they can say the stupidest shit imaginable, and that they are then relevant.

Pot, meet kettle

[EM2FTL]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus



If you can recommend a political blog in Alberta I will be happy to give it a look see.



Daveberta (start there), Alberta Diary, and Alberta Altruist.

[Nitro5]

Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


What about when he labeled me a fag? Am I homosexual?

I'm not sure what your relationship with Toma is, but I'm going to suggest the man you think he is certainly isn't the man he portrayed himself as here. You're having a similar transformation, you started all high and mighty "look at my PhD". Now you're just calling people names like everyone else. Tell me again how you're more of a man.

This made me curious, Toma's last post is on 2014-12-17 and Thales' first post is on the same day.

[btimbit]

Originally posted by Nitro5


This made me curious, Toma's last post is on 2014-12-17 and Thales' first post is on the same day.

Yup. Coincidence....

Although from the other thread


Originally posted by rage2
Thales of Miletus isn't Toma.

I'm not convinced

[GTS4tw]

It uses very specific Toma language. It was obvious on day 1. Either Toma or a friend (way way too good a friend...)

Look at the very first couple of posts, the poor grammar, specific very simple mistakes that are repeated in Tomas posts, bragging about education (PHD Muthafucka)...all very Toma-esque. Either that or someone who is very good at impressions.

Either way, I bring salvation:

Relief.... (http://forums.beyond.ca/member2.php?s=&action=addlist&userlist=ignore&userid=319268)

[dirtsniffer]

Hahaha nice took me a minute to see what you did there.

But I See what you did there.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Hahahaha, well played GTS!

[phil98z24]

Bravo GTS, bravo. :clap:

I'm still not convinced it isn't Toma. Or possibly modelexis, minus the ever present anger and resentment for the rest of humanity. This one has me stumped.

[FixedGear]

Originally posted by GTS4tw
It uses very specific Toma language. It was obvious on day 1. Either Toma or a friend (way way too good a friend...)

Look at the very first couple of posts, the poor grammar, specific very simple mistakes that are repeated in Tomas posts, bragging about education (PHD Muthafucka)...all very Toma-esque. Either that or someone who is very good at impressions.

Either way, I bring salvation:

Relief.... (http://forums.beyond.ca/member2.php?s=&action=addlist&userlist=ignore&userid=319268)

Awesome link, thanks for posting :thumbsup:

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by phil98z24
Bravo GTS, bravo. :clap:

I'm still not convinced it isn't Toma. Or possibly modelexis, minus the ever present anger and resentment for the rest of humanity. This one has me stumped.

Jesus Christ? You guys need a hobby.

Laughable.

I am not Toma. I am known on the internet as, are you ready for it, VROY.

I once posted on Performance-shop, and then took a year off from posting on the net. Performance shop has died in the year since. I was advised that this site had mature posters. Obviously someone was pulling my leg.

I am sorry that you guys have felt the wraith of Toma. I will try to be as gentle as I can be with you, and will be very careful not to light the fuses on your tampons.

Merry Christmas everyone.


Originally posted by btimbit


Pot, meet kettle

If I throw a stick, will you leave?

[dirtsniffer]

Just for peace of mind, toma and tales aren't liked over at performance shop either. Not that it's surprising.

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by dirtsniffer
Just for peace of mind, toma and tales aren't liked over at performance shop either. Not that it's surprising. And the big mean bad man took my candy. Whaaaaaaaaaa. I am seriously butthurt and possess the maturity of a four year old.

Are you the site owner or mod?

Does being Butthurt give you special powers? If it does, you are the Incredible Butthulk.

Grrrrr Butthulk Maddddd! Butthulk Smash keyboard and wet pants. grrrrrrrrr.

p.s. Your mother doesn't like you. Why do you think she bought you a computer and locked you in her basement?