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K3RMiTdot
01-23-2015, 03:06 PM
Just a reminder Top Gear is back this Sunday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Swdcau8g8

I don't know how to embed

lamp_shade_2000
01-23-2015, 03:36 PM
Saw it was coming back on the bbc website last night. I'm pumped! I wish they could produce more episodes but I'm sure if they did the quality would have to drop due to budgets

ipeefreely
01-23-2015, 05:05 PM
:D

w3Swdcau8g8

MGCM
01-23-2015, 07:37 PM
finally :clap:

Wrinkly
01-24-2015, 01:30 AM
Originally posted by lamp_shade_2000
Saw it was coming back on the bbc website last night. I'm pumped! I wish they could produce more episodes but I'm sure if they did the quality would have to drop due to budgets

Budgets? lol.... They get a million quid each per episode - I think they could easily take a small pay cut each and have even more fun :angel:

pheoxs
01-24-2015, 09:26 AM
Little reminder:

If you use unblock-us or another DNS redirect that can spoof a UK location you can watch the show live off BBC's iplayer tomorrow (As well as watch it anytime after it's aired)

woodywoodford
01-24-2015, 12:39 PM
Looks like 10 episodes this time around, longest season since '07


http://epguides.com/TopGear/

25/Jan/15 - Series 22, Episode 1
01/Feb/15 - Series 22, Episode 2
08/Feb/15 - Series 22, Episode 3
15/Feb/15 - Series 22, Episode 4
22/Feb/15 - Series 22, Episode 5
01/Mar/15 - Series 22, Episode 6
08/Mar/15 - Series 22, Episode 7
15/Mar/15 - Series 22, Episode 8
22/Mar/15 - Series 22, Episode 9
29/Mar/15 - Series 22, Episode 10

pheoxs
01-24-2015, 01:09 PM
Originally posted by woodywoodford
Looks like 10 episodes this time around, longest season since '07



The real question is when will the showdown be?

Mclaren vs porsche vs ferrari

JAYMEZ
01-24-2015, 01:30 PM
^^ Thats what I wanna see.. Ive driven in the 918 and P1... Both fast as hell!

MGCM
01-24-2015, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by JAYMEZ
^^ Thats what I wanna see.. Ive driven in the 918 and P1... Both fast as hell!

.................. say what now? you've been inside both already? :eek:

woodywoodford
01-24-2015, 02:11 PM
Anybody know what time locally the torrents usually come up?

pheoxs
01-24-2015, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by woodywoodford
Anybody know what time locally the torrents usually come up?

It hits newsgroups typically 30 min after it finishes airring. Torrents shortly after so probably 1-2 hours after broadcast?

Probably 3 pm

Graham_A_M
01-24-2015, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by Wrinkly


Budgets? lol.... They get a million quid each per episode - I think they could easily take a small pay cut each and have even more fun :angel:

In all honesty? How sure are you about that whole 1 million GBP per episode? In CAD that's what $5 million per episode for the three of them? Plus all the production costs and so on

If that was the case.... James would be able to afford a bit nicer of a car then a Ferrari 360 modena Spider. :dunno: IDK. I almost have a hard time believing they'd get that sizeable of a check.

beyond_ban
01-25-2015, 12:18 AM
^ They definitely do not get paid as much as speculated above, but they do all enjoy a more than comfortable lifestyle.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2848045/Top-Gear-high-rollers-Clarkson-s-country-estate-Hammond-s-helicopter-James-s-private-plane.html

MGCM
01-25-2015, 08:37 PM
Episode has aired and posted on torrents now, decently fast download too. The celeb in a reasonably priced car was priceless lol:thumbsup:

flipstah
01-25-2015, 09:05 PM
That Huracan is quick!

Oddly enough, I want a crack at that Twizy. :drool:

MGCM
01-25-2015, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by flipstah
That Huracan is quick!

Oddly enough, I want a crack at that Twizy. :drool:

me too, just for shits and giggles lol, love how a bicycle cost $2000 more than the Twizy:rofl:

A2VR6
01-26-2015, 12:05 AM
Originally posted by MGCM


me too, just for shits and giggles lol, love how a bicycle cost $2000 more than the Twizy:rofl:

I just cant believe a bicycle costs GBP 9000 haha.

schocker
01-26-2015, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by flipstah
That Huracan is quick!

Oddly enough, I want a crack at that Twizy. :drool:
Yeah, the renault was neat. Super tiny for motoring around town. 10 episodes though, that is great. Looks like lots of neat adventure episodes.

Huracan was much faster than I expected though, good competition for 458 and 600S/12C

pheoxs
01-26-2015, 09:45 AM
I can't wait for the US TG VS UK TG episode

firebane
01-26-2015, 10:02 AM
I can't wait to see the episode on where they came to BC and tried out the new GMC truck.

schocker
01-26-2015, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by firebane
I can't wait to see the episode on where they came to BC and tried out the new GMC truck.
That did look pretty neat. Some offroading/snow stuff in the new truck. Looks like Sierra/Raptor?

pheoxs
01-26-2015, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by schocker

That did look pretty neat. Some offroading/snow stuff in the new truck. Looks like Sierra/Raptor?

It's a Hennesey Velociraptor they were testing in BC. My roommate went back home and got to check them out filming.

http://i.imgur.com/tNrNN8b.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MHZjyEX.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/3hUUkHa.jpg

firebane
01-26-2015, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by schocker

That did look pretty neat. Some offroading/snow stuff in the new truck. Looks like Sierra/Raptor?

Looks like the GMC All Terrain and they were testing the Hennessey VelociRaptor

/////AMG
01-26-2015, 10:47 AM
Finally a season that actually looks decent compared to the last few!

schocker
01-26-2015, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by pheoxs
It's a Hennesey Velociraptor they were testing in BC. My roommate went back home and got to check them out filming.

Neat, can't wait, thought it was just a normal raptor


Originally posted by firebane
Looks like the GMC All Terrain and they were testing the Hennessey VelociRaptor
From the pics above it looks like a normal silverado, maybe it is supercharged as hennessey makes upgrades for the sierra/silverado already?

firebane
01-26-2015, 11:45 AM
Yeah just found more pics..
http://www.topgearbox.com/2014/news/top-gear-series-22-sightings-spoilers/

http://www.topgearbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/UxJA5fC.jpg

cycosis
01-29-2015, 09:59 PM
Did the episode air? I can't find it on torrents

pheoxs
01-29-2015, 10:36 PM
Originally posted by cycosis
Did the episode air? I can't find it on torrents

The first episode of the season did yeah. They race across St Petersburg similar to the london race they ran a few years back (Car vs Bicycle vs Water vs Transit)

Redlined_8000
01-29-2015, 10:37 PM
Originally posted by cycosis
Did the episode air? I can't find it on torrents

I found it on isohunt.to

It is a MKV file so you need so you need something that can play that.

Bladeh
01-29-2015, 11:38 PM
Hammond should have used a electric powered bike like a e-motion or fat bike so to avoid tram lines :nut:

MGCM
02-01-2015, 11:49 PM
lol love the license plate bit at the beginning of this weeks episode, priceless if you have watched the Patagonia Special......that was one got way out of hand, some seriously butt hurt ppl:thumbsdow

............and Charlie Sheen punched a horse in the head wtf:nut:

A2VR6
02-02-2015, 12:28 AM
Originally posted by MGCM


............and Charlie Sheen punched a horse in the head wtf:nut:

WTF... I totally missed this... When was that?

MGCM
02-02-2015, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by A2VR6


WTF... I totally missed this... When was that?

the star in a resonably priced car segment, he told a story about charlie sheen on a horse that went all wrong

A2VR6
02-02-2015, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by MGCM


the star in a resonably priced car segment, he told a story about charlie sheen on a horse that went all wrong

Ahh makes sense. At first I thought he actually did it on the show lol

MGCM
02-02-2015, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by A2VR6


Ahh makes sense. At first I thought he actually did it on the show lol

lol im sure they would get in quite a bit of trouble for that. James May got launched from a horse in the Patagonia Special, poor bastard bruised or broke 3 ribs. All filming past that inncident he looked extremely uncomfortable getting in/out of his Lotus.........i did honestly feel bad for him, and cudos to him for soildering on and finishing the filming.

ipeefreely
02-02-2015, 09:08 PM
I lolled pretty hard when they were doing the brake test... after the car stopped all you could see was a cloud of dust! :nut: :rofl:

Also the Stig in the trunk was good too! :thumbsup:

firebane
02-02-2015, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by ipeefreely
I lolled pretty hard when they were doing the brake test... after the car stopped all you could see was a cloud of dust! :nut: :rofl:

Also the Stig in the trunk was good too! :thumbsup:

LOL the Stig part was bloody hilarious. The look on Clarksons face when the times showed up and Hammonds reaction about the "racing line" oh man.

MGCM
02-09-2015, 02:01 PM
im just watching episode 3, freaking dying laughing right now:rofl:

Twin_Cam_Turbo
02-09-2015, 02:03 PM
I liked the Chilean coffee mugs in the last episode lol.

Mibz
02-09-2015, 02:15 PM
Best episode in a while, though the end of the ambulance segment went on FOREVER.

firebane
02-09-2015, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by Mibz
Best episode in a while, though the end of the ambulance segment went on FOREVER.

Agreed but the entire ambulance part was absolutely hysterical.

JAYMEZ
02-09-2015, 05:16 PM
Just watched all the new episodes on BBCs website. God I missed this show!

A2VR6
02-09-2015, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by firebane


Agreed but the entire ambulance part was absolutely hysterical.

I don't think I've laughed that hard in a while. The part with the srig driving the ambulances was the best.

MGCM
02-09-2015, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by A2VR6


I don't think I've laughed that hard in a while. The part with the srig driving the ambulances was the best.

i fell over laughing when the GM got air:rofl:

How bout Ricardos lap, lol topped Hamilton:thumbsup:

oilerfan4lyfe
02-10-2015, 12:50 PM
Great season so far! That Ferrari 488 looks absolutely beautiful.

BerserkerCatSplat
02-10-2015, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by firebane


Agreed but the entire ambulance part was absolutely hysterical.

I was just dying at the end when they shot the patient through the window. So many great scenes in that segment!

flipstah
02-10-2015, 02:04 PM
That was a classic episode. A hearse doesn't seem like such a bad idea...

It's like a really tall wagon!

shakalaka
02-10-2015, 02:08 PM
I am waiting for the whole season to finish so I can get it all together. It's getting tough though cause I keep hearing how good these episodes have been!

schocker
02-10-2015, 02:08 PM
I lost it at the nos part when Richard drove into the bushes :rofl:

MGCM
02-10-2015, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by flipstah
That was a classic episode. A hearse doesn't seem like such a bad idea...

It's like a really tall wagon!

pending its a cosworth build:thumbsup:

JordanLotoski
02-10-2015, 02:15 PM
Anyone have a link for the full review of the Huracan?

rage2
02-10-2015, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by JordanLotoski
Anyone have a link for the full review of the Huracan?
I'd skip it if I was waiting for a Huracan delivery haha.

JordanLotoski
02-10-2015, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by rage2

I'd skip it if I was waiting for a Huracan delivery haha.

:banghead:

rage2
02-10-2015, 03:28 PM
haha, it's TG, don't take it too seriously.

btw - if you have unblock us, you can watch all episodes live or on demand through BBC iPlayer.

Xtrema
02-10-2015, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by JordanLotoski
Anyone have a link for the full review of the Huracan?

More fun, shifts faster and better exhaust note than Aventador. But I have to say, interior plastic is of lower grade.

BerserkerCatSplat
02-13-2015, 09:29 AM
They left it out of the episode preview, but the SIARPC for Ep. 4 is:

Will Smith and Margot Robbie

Obviously they're promoting something, but still TG is pulling some pretty big names these days.

rage2
02-13-2015, 10:04 AM
Damn, if #2 can drive, I dunno if my penis could handle it haha.

Mibz
02-13-2015, 10:10 AM
http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/stop_penis_erect_archer.gif

JAYMEZ
02-13-2015, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by rage2
haha, it's TG, don't take it too seriously.

btw - if you have unblock us, you can watch all episodes live or on demand through BBC iPlayer.


Thats what I do.. But it never seems to want to work on my Chromecast

Mitsu3000gt
02-13-2015, 03:47 PM
Just watched the cattle herding episode in Australia. So what happens to these $100-200K cars when they are done being absolutely destroyed (at least cosmetically) by dirt & gravel in the back roads, ore mine roads, and fields of the outback? The paint is probably fucked, along with other minor damage possibly to suspension parts and wheels. Then again the show has so much money, maybe they can just fix what they need to and give the cars back to the manufactures?

95EagleAWD
02-13-2015, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
Just watched the cattle herding episode in Australia. So what happens to these $100-200K cars when they are done being absolutely destroyed (at least cosmetically) by dirt & gravel in the back roads, ore mine roads, and fields of the outback? The paint is probably fucked, along with other minor damage possibly to suspension parts and wheels. Then again the show has so much money, maybe they can just fix what they need to and give the cars back to the manufactures?

They're probably test articles from the manufacturer that can't be sold. Would be my guess.

Ajay
02-13-2015, 04:58 PM
Does anyone know the best site to download the torrents?

Hate it since Final Gear went down, was always my main source.

Edit: Disregard this post. I found them on EZTV.

cycosis
02-14-2015, 02:00 PM
Been using kickass.to, there .so was seized last week

MGCM
02-14-2015, 03:34 PM
does that mean we might lose kickass.to?


Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat
They left it out of the episode preview, but the SIARPC for Ep. 4 is:

Will Smith and Margot Robbie

Obviously they're promoting something, but still TG is pulling some pretty big names these days.

Sweet, tho not sure I know who Margot is, but judging by the comments I doubt I'll forget her after:bigpimp:

MGCM
02-14-2015, 03:38 PM
....Double Post....

JAYMEZ
02-15-2015, 09:08 PM
Wasn't to bad of a show for the new with the bmws! Anyone know when they will show the Vancouver Top Gear show? I remember they filmed here not to long ago

MGCM
02-15-2015, 09:53 PM
I keep hoping to hear them say Trucks or Canada lol no luck so far. Hopefully next week they'll give us what we want:thumbsup:

firebane
02-15-2015, 10:23 PM
LOL good episode again.. The land rover bit :eek:

AE92_TreunoSC
02-15-2015, 10:30 PM
Great season so far! Love the celeb lap times this time :bigpimp:

MGCM
02-15-2015, 10:57 PM
Originally posted by AE92_TreunoSC
Great season so far! Love the celeb lap times this time :bigpimp:

between the mirrors on the ceiling and her lap time she is so fired:rofl:

tehwegz
02-15-2015, 11:38 PM
Claymores. I died. :rofl:

flipstah
02-16-2015, 12:27 PM
That Land Rover bit made me cry. So beautiful. :love: :cry:

MGCM
02-16-2015, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by flipstah
That Land Rover bit made me cry. So beautiful. :love: :cry:

"o btw now we have to lower u back down sorry mate" :nut: he looked so pissed

flipstah
02-16-2015, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by MGCM


"o btw now we have to lower u back down sorry mate" :nut: he looked so pissed

I would be! I've done ascends where I thought I was going to flip backwards in my toaster mobile, and that was nothing compared to the dam's vertical. Some shat may have came out. :rofl:

flipstah
02-22-2015, 11:17 PM
HNNGGGHHH. I thought I was Team P1 but LaFerrari, It's just epic. :drool:

Also, quite interesting how these three can't race. :(

firebane
02-22-2015, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by flipstah
HNNGGGHHH. I thought I was Team P1 but LaFerrari, It's just epic. :drool:

Also, quite interesting how these three can't race. :(

Its not that they can't... Ferrari is just being a douche nozzle as usual

flipstah
02-22-2015, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by firebane


Its not that they can't... Ferrari is just being a douche nozzle as usual

LOL at Ferrari preventing someone from buying their car.

JAYMEZ
02-23-2015, 01:51 PM
Im pissed about the race with the 3 cars... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


But the Ferrari... God damn

schocker
02-23-2015, 02:03 PM
My favorite part was the french breakfast meeting :rofl:

Racoonfighter
02-26-2015, 04:11 PM
Originally posted by MGCM
I keep hoping to hear them say Trucks or Canada lol no luck so far. Hopefully next week they'll give us what we want:thumbsup:

According to Wikipedia its Sunday

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Top_Gear_episodes#Series_Twenty-two_.282014.E2.80.9315.29

looking forward to it looks like Jeremy is driving a raptor.last time he drove a Svt truck he ripped it apart or didn't understand it.Which made me mad cause its my favorite vehicle in the world.

MGCM
02-26-2015, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by Racoonfighter


According to Wikipedia its Sunday

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Top_Gear_episodes#Series_Twenty-two_.282014.E2.80.9315.29

looking forward to it looks like Jeremy is driving a raptor.last time he drove a Svt truck he ripped it apart or didn't understand it.Which made me mad cause its my favorite vehicle in the world.

Finally!!!!

J-D
03-01-2015, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by Racoonfighter


According to Wikipedia its Sunday

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Top_Gear_episodes#Series_Twenty-two_.282014.E2.80.9315.29

looking forward to it looks like Jeremy is driving a raptor.last time he drove a Svt truck he ripped it apart or didn't understand it.Which made me mad cause its my favorite vehicle in the world.

Episode was pretty heavy on the dramatics but entertaining nonetheless :rofl:

MGCM
03-01-2015, 05:25 PM
damn its already up? im slackin:whipped:

diamondedge
03-01-2015, 06:07 PM
Gillian Anderson :love:

rage2
03-01-2015, 06:54 PM
Love how they incorporated a Breitling Emergency in the story. Poor Lexus review. Too bad they didn't fly through Calgary to get to BC. They mentioned it as one of the flights. And holy shit YVR feels like HKG. Chinese people everywhere haha.

Racoonfighter
03-01-2015, 08:00 PM
I'm glad he finally understood and appreciated the F150 this time.

AE92_TreunoSC
03-01-2015, 08:53 PM
Little drawn out but very entertaining. I think Gillian Anderson has aged wonderfully! Very attractive and a great personality. :love:

nismodrifter
03-01-2015, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by rage2
Too bad they didn't fly through Calgary to get to BC. They mentioned it as one of the flights. And holy shit YVR feels like HKG. Chinese people everywhere haha.

My feelings exactly.Was hoping they would do YYC, lol'd once the huge phones popped up in YVR.

Weak.

BerserkerCatSplat
03-02-2015, 12:08 AM
Damn, that Velociraptor engine note. Hnnnngh.

r3ccOs
03-03-2015, 08:12 AM
Originally posted by Racoonfighter
I'm glad he finally understood and appreciated the F150 this time.

that raptor is something else! but honestly for that kinda off-roading, I cringe watching a 22foot pickup attempt to maneuver over obsticles like that

crazy how the 2500HD broke a half shaft... that's kinda the issue IMO with IFS on a 1 ton type truck... though for on-road purposes, where you'd probably run 90% rwd, its more than fine.

firebane
03-03-2015, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by Racoonfighter
I'm glad he finally understood and appreciated the F150 this time.

There is a massive difference between a F150 and a Hennessey Velociraptor. Its like comparing a Civic to a Ferrari.


Originally posted by r3ccOs


that raptor is something else! but honestly for that kinda off-roading, I cringe watching a 22foot pickup attempt to maneuver over obsticles like that

crazy how the 2500HD broke a half shaft... that's kinda the issue IMO with IFS on a 1 ton type truck... though for on-road purposes, where you'd probably run 90% rwd, its more than fine.

The 2500HD is a 3/4 ton not a 1ton and I'm pretty sure they broke the rear driveshaft not the halfshaft.

And in terrain like that with all the crap they were going through its so easy to break shit on a stock truck.

benyl
03-03-2015, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by firebane

There is a massive difference between a F150 and a Hennessey Velociraptor. Its like comparing a Civic to a Ferrari.


you're kidding right?

Civic to a Civic Type R Spoon HFP Mugen special maybe.

Cos
03-03-2015, 09:28 AM
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r3ccOs
03-03-2015, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by firebane


There is a massive difference between a F150 and a Hennessey Velociraptor. Its like comparing a Civic to a Ferrari.



The 2500HD is a 3/4 ton not a 1ton and I'm pretty sure they broke the rear driveshaft not the halfshaft.

And in terrain like that with all the crap they were going through its so easy to break shit on a stock truck.

Usually, outside of perhaps an added overload leaf, the difference between a 3/4 and 1 ton is usually just that... Chances are he had a big ole 14 bolt on the rear end.

If its a CV shaft up front, I could see that, considering the amount of toruqe and weird angles it would need to articulate going up that hill

and I'm pretty sure outside of the performance work, the difference between a Hennessey and a stock Raptor is otherwise minimal (although I'm surprised that the drivetrain could handle the 620hp and whatever the torque output is...)

Cos
03-03-2015, 10:10 AM
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r3ccOs
03-03-2015, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by Cos


Thank god Hennessey has a website, where this can be looked up.:rofl:

• 2.3 Liter Supercharger System
• Air-to-Water Intercooler
• High Flow Air Induction
• Fuel Injector Upgrade
• Professional Installation
• HPE Engine Management Calibration
• Chassis Dyno Tuning & Road Testing
• Serial Numbered Dash & Engine Plaques
• Hennessey & VelociRaptor Exterior Badging
• Hennessey Embroidered Headrests

Tells you a lot when bullet #5 is 'professional installation'.

The way I read it:
- Supercharger
- Intercooler
- Intake
- Bigger injectors (biggest upgrade besides the S/C to me).
- Tune on a dyno
- A couple decals.


Not that it isn't worth hit, but honestly sounds like something a weekend warrior could do to their own Raptor with a decent sized garage and a case of beer. Comparing the Raptor to the V-Raptor 600 to a Civic/Ferrari is a little insane.

or comparing the actual offroad capability between a V-Raptor & Raptor is neglegable

Raptor is a beast, but wish it came in a regular cab/short box combo!

there is however a difference bertween the Raptor & F150, as its wider, and has a LSD and locker in the front plus the added clearance.

but a stock F150 with a proper suspension (not just blocks) lift w/ a rear locker and 35" tires will get you pretty much just about anywhere as well

I'd say the difference between a 6.2 F150 and a Raptor is the suspension and things to accomodate the width, which would be a wider rear axel, half shaft, and control arms, plus the additonal traction options on the front axel... but I don' think they are using any different pumpkin (i..e not a full floater) or a different transfer case.

firebane
03-03-2015, 10:20 AM
I'm talking bone stock F150 not a Raptor. A bone stock F150 is a piece of crap that doesn't compare to the Raptor or Velociraptor.

And when these guys were talking about a F150 they are talking base models.

r3ccOs
03-03-2015, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by firebane
I'm talking bone stock F150 not a Raptor. A bone stock F150 is a piece of crap that doesn't compare to the Raptor or Velociraptor.

And when these guys were talking about a F150 they are talking base models.

sure a bone stock F150 is a piece of crap and a Raptor is that much better?

you need to read a bit more...

basically a Raptor is a factory lifted F150, then the hennesey takes a "bone stock F150" motor and adds a supercharger

The frame, the drivetrain, the body (other than flares) is essentially the same

admittedly, the fit & finish of any domestic truck, regardless of trim, is anywhere near a top end SUV from the big 3 germans

but its tremendous value for the capabilities, and the Raptor itself really is not much more of a truck than what its based on.

there is no Civic to Ferrari comparision.

that being said, I'd say a G Wagon, Jeep Rubicon would have faired those conditions better.

Cos
03-03-2015, 10:42 AM
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