new LEGACY

[bighead411]

i just read the newspaper that the new LEGACY will come in turbo. i'm wondering how much they will ask for that LEGACY GT. it seems a nice looking car......anyone have idea

[Xtrema]

Car show Mar 10-14th. New Legacy will be there. There's a chance they may know something.

My guess would be $30K to $43K cdn.

Engine choice would be 2.5 Turbo or 3.0 H6

[T5_X]

Originally posted by Xtrema
Car show Mar 10-14th. New Legacy will be there. There's a chance they may know something.

My guess would be $30K to $43K cdn.

Engine choice would be 2.5 Turbo or 3.0 H6

Yep, the 2.5 should be putting out around 280 HP :drool:
First it was the IS, then the G35, then the TL... now this! Man Japanese sport sedans are getting HOT! Nice thing about this is it will come in wagon form too!

[That.Guy.S30]

correct. its more like 29k to 48k (with all taxes in)
its a 2.5 turbo in the legacy gt with a estimated 280hp.
the non turbo will have a upgraded version of the ej25 which will be bumped from 165hp to 168. they are wonderful looking cars and hopefully another subaru will be joining the family soon! this is the only subaru that i think does not look ugly:rofl:

[Xtrema]

I doubt the turbo will make 280 here with all the emission control.

[That.Guy.S30]

280 at flywheel of course.

[A2VR6]

I thought the numbers i've heard were about 250hp and a 5.5 sec 0-60 time. I got my numbers off www.need-desire.com But yea i wouldnt be surpised to see it start off at around 30k and work up to maybe 45k. What i hope though is that they bring the STI over. http://www.carview.co.jp/tas/2004/car/photo/sti/legacyb4/01.jpg
http://www.carview.co.jp/tas/2004/car/photo/sti/legacyb4/02.jpg
:drool:

[That.Guy.S30]

nope. no sti legacy. just a legacy gt which will have the 2.5 turbo

[bighead411]

i'm wonder is the 2.5 Turbo (LEGACY GT) using the same engine as the STI. since they a both 2.5. i don't see the point why subaru waste that much money to develop another engine for only one car......correct me if i'm wrong. personally, i think the new LEGACY is HOT:clap: :clap: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: more european looking..........i'm looking forward to check out the price. hopefully, the ball range will be within 42K...........god bless us start bringing in something we looking for...........:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[benyl]

That is going to be my next car.

Legacy GT wagon.

There is some info on www.subaru.ca

[bighead411]

there is nothing talk about the new LEGACY on the website yet............

[That.Guy.S30]

^^ the new legacy gt has its own minisite off of the subaru.ca website.

[bighead411]

i got it..........thx dude!!

[benyl]

http://www.subarulegacy.ca/

[bighead411]

thank you boss...........and they even have two moonroof for the wagon style too.............i can't wait to test drive it...........

[C4S]

SWEET !! :D

B4 as well ? :eek:

Will be so nice that combine performance and comfort together !

Will probaby take away some buyer from G35 !
(they r direct competition in Asian market) :thumbsup:

[bighead411]

well, i never interest the G35 from beginning anyways. the only consideration in my mind is either IS300 or the Legacy. the only concern for me is IS should be time to release the new model. and for the price. i think LEGACY should be very competitive. so i'm looking to see how much they ask for.........:poosie:

[Xtrema]

That site say 250HP (Estimated)

That's still plenty.

[bighead411]

well, just like the forester in japan. they can make it for 280. it just tune to reduce the HP. that's why i'm wonder are they the same engine and just not tune it as insane as the STI........

[T5_X]

If it has 250 HP (or 280 for that matter)... one word: CHIP!

[CKY]

Originally posted by C4S
SWEET !! :D

B4 as well ? :eek:

Will be so nice that combine performance and comfort together !

Will probaby take away some buyer from G35 !
(they r direct competition in Asian market) :thumbsup:

from the info i've gathered the anwser is very very sadly no, and also i think the legacy is soooo much hotter with teh front scoop (which i don't think they have on any north american models) unless they start importing them.:whipped:

edit: sorry i guess i'm wrong from after reading the site the 2.5GTs will have a front scoop

[bighead411]

so they a not same engine as the STI??

[T5_X]

Originally posted by bighead411
so they a not same engine as the STI??

It probably is, but just a less agressive version, kinda like the current Forrester XT.

[bighead411]

yes. that's what i'm thinking too..........sound like once u swap the ECU....u may able to drain out that 280HP........hope it will haapppen

[That.Guy.S30]

the legacy b4 stands for sedan. we had this chat a longgggg time ago. it is confirmed at 250hp.

[bighead411]

we all know it's <CONFIRM> 250HP. what we wondering is a they using the same engine as the STI and tune it not as agressive as STI or it's a totally new engine. b'coz before they all use the EJ20 in Asian version.........

[CKY]

i don't think they're the same engines (correct me on this one), i heard somewhere that subaru developed a new engine (different from the sti) for the legacy line

[bighead411]

well, we look forward to see. never know what the suby ppl doing............logic wise.....it's not make sense to make another engine tho.......

[CKY]

Originally posted by bighead411
well, we look forward to see. never know what the suby ppl doing............logic wise.....it's not make sense to make another engine tho.......

i dunno man, that car sold damn well n its subbys main car.

newayz, has anybody gone to the auto show yet and was there a legacy there??!?!?

[bighead411]

hm..............i guess the price is the main concern instead of the performance. since everyone know turbo have much more potentail compare to N/A

[That.Guy.S30]

why is price a concern? performance, looks and power plus AWD (so you dont get stuck in your driveways) for under 50k all in. i think its totally worth it. plus the legacy is subarus bread and butter. nothing gets better than this car in the subaru line up. they have new technology in this car (for the automatics and semi automatics) and yes the turbo will be a better performer but look at the price. base legacys will start at 30k which is awsome. plus its at the car show if you wnat to look under the hood

[bighead411]

well.........it's just my opinion. i would say it really depends on what u think tho

[That.Guy.S30]

^^ good piont. that was my opinion.

[bighead411]

:D

[bighead411]

i just see one on macleod today with a dealer plate on......

[blitz]

According to Sport Compact Car

"...the engine is similar to that used in the WRX STi, but the cylinder block, turbocharger and it's intercooler are unique to the 2.5 GT"

Smaller turbo rather than just ECU detuning?

[three.eighteen.]

the engine in the Forester XT i believe is still basically the n/a ej25, SOHC valvetrain too i think

[blitz]

The Forester XT's got a turbo:

Engine: 2.5L Dual Overhead Cam (DOHC), 16 valve, horizontally-opposed, 4-cylinder boxer engine with turbocharger and intercooler

I've heard the main physical difference between the XT motor and the STi are the cams and turbo size.

[bighead411]

i didn't go the car show. so i'm not sure about the spec. but i saw the car on macloed(the new one)is much more american looking than i expect........

[DSM Power]

Originally posted by Xtrema
My guess would be $30K to $43K cdn.

The Subaru salespeople couldn't give us a price at the Autoshow, however they said it would be more than a WRX and less than an STi. So I'd put it at around $40ish. Pretty good looking ride, nice interior.

[bighead411]

i assume will be around 42-45(depends on option).

[That.Guy.S30]

the gt should be at a good 48 with taxes included

[bighead411]

48 with fully loaded?

[bighead2267]

no wonder they sell cheap in Canada, b'coz the Legacy Made in USA,,,,,,,scuks. man.

i've to think twice before i getting a new car.........

[That.Guy.S30]

Originally posted by bighead2267
no wonder they sell cheap in Canada, b'coz the Legacy Made in USA,,,,,,,scuks. man.

i've to think twice before i getting a new car.........

not made in usa. it is assembled in usa. all the parts come from japan.

[ZorroAMG]

Basically it IS mad in the USA. The ML mercedes is considered made in the USA (Hence the POS that it is ...quality sux ass) and the parts come from Germany...

Built or made in the USA is the same shit man....you still get lazy, shitty workers making 7$ not caring about anything they do....

[Kamen]

That is one sexy car. Especially that white one from Japan posted here awhile ago...

[bighead2267]

zorroAMG, i totally agree with you, that's what i talk about. although the cost will be much lower, but the reason we buy japs car besides the look, the main concern is the quality, same thing u buy a Sony TV made in Mexico shit..........instead of japan.

well, i guess there is not much we can do these days.......sucks.

but it's a nice car.....man...........:thumbsdow

[That.Guy.S30]

Originally posted by ZorroAMG
Basically it IS mad in the USA. The ML mercedes is considered made in the USA (Hence the POS that it is ...quality sux ass) and the parts come from Germany...

Built or made in the USA is the same shit man....you still get lazy, shitty workers making 7$ not caring about anything they do....

hahaha. im not sure if the place its made effects its quality. the 02-03 imprezas were filled with bugs/glitches/problems. from what i understand they are assembled and made in japan. whatever tho.

[benyl]

Originally posted by ZorroAMG
Basically it IS mad in the USA. The ML mercedes is considered made in the USA (Hence the POS that it is ...quality sux ass) and the parts come from Germany...

Built or made in the USA is the same shit man....you still get lazy, shitty workers making 7$ not caring about anything they do....

$7/ hour?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Try $40/hour.

Those Union guys make so much money for doing mindless repetitive work. Unions make our cars so expensive. Cause any bone head working in an autoplant makes tonnes of cash.

[bighead2267]

look, although the part is from Japan, there are OEM parts anyways, which means the parts may use in GM, Chevolet, Saab, or MB as well, so the parts may not be in big issue now, since they are all using the same parts........it's the workmanship now.

very good example, why there is tune up charge 40 and why there is charge 200(dealership not count in), they list their worklist same, so why we paying extra to doing the same? we are talking the confident and the workmanship here.....

another example will be install audio or remote starter, i think most the ppl in town selling very similar stuff, why there is someone always promote(e.g. 12V, audio concept)in their community, it's b'coz they do a good job. it's not b'coz of the part, the WORK...........

nothing offense, i'm not decriminate US car, just my personal opinion.......i prefer japanese Car which is Made in JAPAN

[benyl]

no offence... but :english:

[bighead2267]

Benyl, is STI made in Japan?

[benyl]

yes, VIN starts with a 'J'

[CKY]

kinda thread jacking here but: does toyota or honda still make any of their high production cars in japan for oevrseas counteris like us?? (ex. civic, accord, corolla, camry)

[bighead2267]

i know it've change this day, same thing u buy most of japanese TV is barely made in japan now...........so sad to see that

[That.Guy.S30]

Originally posted by bighead2267
i know it've change this day, same thing u buy most of japanese TV is barely made in japan now...........so sad to see that

have you even driven it yet? haah ive driven it, almost every model it feels more solid than any impreza (next to the STi). i dont know why it bothers you so much but maybe you should drive it before you make up your mind about american assembled cars.

[benyl]

Originally posted by CKY
kinda thread jacking here but: does toyota or honda still make any of their high production cars in japan for oevrseas counteris like us?? (ex. civic, accord, corolla, camry)

Is the new Maxima built in Japan? I know the last one was... that is the only car that I can think of that is still made there.

There are some Accords (4 cylinder) that are still made in Japan. You have to look for them on the lot though.

[bighead2267]

well, i guess we've no choice these days. i know where u guys coming from, i just upset about that we will be difficult to brand japanese made product now.......:(

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by CKY
kinda thread jacking here but: does toyota or honda still make any of their high production cars in japan for oevrseas counteris like us?? (ex. civic, accord, corolla, camry)

Toyota:

Corolla: Canada
Matrix: US
Camry/ES330: US
RX330: Canada/US
Tundra/Sequoia: US
Sienna: Canada or US

Honda:

Civic Sedan/EL: Canada
Civic Coupe: US
Civic SiR: UK
CRV: UK
Odessey/Pilot/MDX: Canada/US
Accord/TL: US

Nissan:

Altima/Maxima: US
All trucks except X-trail: US
All 2.5L QR engines: Mexico
All VQ 3.5-4L engines: US
X-trail: Not sure but most likely Mexico
Sentra: Mexico


Even in Japan, not many cars are still "built in Japan". Manufacturing of parts and assembly are mostly outsource to countries with cheap labour (Malaysia, Indonesia, China etc).

Japan only retain to build high margin luxury brands and JDM market vehicles.

So many parts are share between brands, to name a few:

- Last gen Accord's speedo guage cluster is built by Ford and it's logo is on the back.
- Nissan and Subaru share the same power window switch supplier and uses the same model.
- Most NAV unit are provided by the same company with different programming by the brands.

[bighead2267]

when the RX 330 come out, i can't believe they made in US. i didn't know the ES is made in US as well............

[benyl]

Subaru uses many Nissan components... I noticed a lot of that in my car. It isn't anything new. Johnson Controls designs a lot of the interior parts for all the car makers... so sometimes they pic from the same parts bin/design.

The RX330 is based on the Camry. Not much retooling is needed to build it on the same assembly line.

[GTS Jeff]

as far as looks go, the new lagacy is not bad. its not great, but at least its not super ugly like most subarus. it just looks plain and ordinary, like a camry.

[heavyD]

My old Honda del sol was built in Japan and it felt cheaper than my Canadian built Civic. Japan has their share of slackers as well.

[bighead2267]

well, what year is the Del Sol and what year is the civic??

[CKY]

Originally posted by Xtrema


Toyota:

Corolla: Canada
Matrix: US
Camry/ES330: US
RX330: Canada/US
Tundra/Sequoia: US
Sienna: Canada or US

Honda:

Civic Sedan/EL: Canada
Civic Coupe: US
Civic SiR: UK
CRV: UK
Odessey/Pilot/MDX: Canada/US
Accord/TL: US

Nissan:

Altima/Maxima: US
All trucks except X-trail: US
All 2.5L QR engines: Mexico
All VQ 3.5-4L engines: US
X-trail: Not sure but most likely Mexico
Sentra: Mexico


Even in Japan, not many cars are still &quot;built in Japan&quot;. Manufacturing of parts and assembly are mostly outsource to countries with cheap labour (Malaysia, Indonesia, China etc).

Japan only retain to build high margin luxury brands and JDM market vehicles.

So many parts are share between brands, to name a few:

- Last gen Accord's speedo guage cluster is built by Ford and it's logo is on the back.
- Nissan and Subaru share the same power window switch supplier and uses the same model.
- Most NAV unit are provided by the same company with different programming by the brands.

I think more and more lexus cars are gonna be builtin US also. I remember hearing that they got a factory in US or something

[bighead2267]

well, i guess the new generation automobile is not gonna made in their original country........which is really set!!

[That.Guy.S30]

^^ have you even driven in it yet? just go test drive it, it might change your opinion. it feels wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than any rex i have sat in (next to the STi)

[bighead2267]

hm.........test drive doesn't tell u the car's duration although they've few year warranty.......


yes, i'm stubborn. i know it......

also, i don't feel the STI have very good driving environment either. for performance, no question ask, it's nice.:D

[Fuji]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
as far as looks go, the new lagacy is not bad. its not great, but at least its not super ugly like most subarus. it just looks plain and ordinary, like a camry.


Your ugly! Don't hate man! :):rofl: