Tundra vs F150

[cet]

I am in the market for a new truck since I managed to write off my car a week ago. I went out today and looked at the 2015 F150 Lariat with the FX4 package and the 2015 Tundra Limited with the Tech package. To me both trucks were pretty equal but did like the F150 a slight bit more. However, after negotiating with Ford the best we got to was $58,000. With the Tundra without negotiating we were at $48,000. So, anyone have experience with the two trucks? A min of $10,000 difference is quite a bit to justify.

[InRich]

I would go with the tundra. in this case. Much less money, the Fords brand new style is making them so expensive, dealers wanna gauge you. Which immediately turns me off. load up the tundra a little more, spend a little more, and you'll prob get a better truck at the end of the day anyways. Fords better looking though.

[Tik-Tok]

You'll probably see a insurance rate hike in a couple of years with the Ford. Aluminum ain't cheap to fix.

http://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/2015/long-term-road-test/2015-ford-f-150-aluminum-body-repairs-part-1-with-video.html

[r3ccOs]

Originally posted by InRich
I would go with the tundra. in this case. Much less money, the Fords brand new style is making them so expensive, dealers wanna gauge you. Which immediately turns me off. load up the tundra a little more, spend a little more, and you'll prob get a better truck at the end of the day anyways. Fords better looking though.

I think the Tundra is a better looking truck...

thing is, the F150 3.5 ecoscrew is really good on fuel and is stupid fast for a full sized truck (5.6 0-60)

Other considerations I would say are things like lockers and no LSD available in any trim with a Tundra, but otherwise its a solid truck and would easily have entertained one if it were cheaper than the 2014 F150

but the new 2015's are expensive

[spikerS]

for that price difference, I would go with the Tundra.

You are not going to see them competing on price for the F-150 until all the plants start churning them out. There is also still a lot of hype around the 2015 F-150. It IS the better truck, but because of the hype, reduced production, and still 1st quarter, the incentives are really skinny, and dealers have been found to be marking them up (no so much now...).

The earliest you are going to be getting any significant discounts on the F-150 is going to be Sept/Oct.

Now having said that, 2014 F-150 are being cleared out with crazy incentives. 0% financing, and crazy big dealer incentives. People are getting amazing prices for 2014s that are remaining on the lot.

[muse017]

IMO New Ford looks way better and comes with all these fancy stuffs but if you'd prefer to have a trouble free vehicle and mainly used for communing, Tundra is awesome for that.
I've owed two Tundras(11,14) so far and all I did was basic oil changes/tire rotations and scheduled maintenance on them(11 had 110,000km, 14 has about 40,000km so far)
My father currently owned two Sequoia(Same engine and what not) limited and his 09 has 327,000km and still running like a new. He just loved it so much he just bought a 15 with same package and same color.:nut: :nut:

[cet]

Thanks for the replies guys. I think everyone is right between the two 15's the Tundra wins out. Now, I think Ford said they could get me a 2014 FX4 for $43,000, that is much more in line with the 2015 Tundra price.

[Cos]

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[brucebanner]

Originally posted by cet
Thanks for the replies guys. I think everyone is right between the two 15's the Tundra wins out. Now, I think Ford said they could get me a 2014 FX4 for $43,000, that is much more in line with the 2015 Tundra price.

Should be able to get a '14 for less than 43k. If you're interested in the '14, put more pressure on them for a lower price.

I have a '13 F150 EB FX4 with almost 56k on it with no issues what so ever. I've been happy with the truck.

[Graham_A_M]

Originally posted by cet
Ford said they could get me a 2014 FX4 for $43,000. I'd go with that in a heartbeat:thumbsup:

[InRich]

^ 43k is too much for that truck. I coulda gotten a fully loaded one like that bad in Nov for 43k. Its 2015 now people. I'd say 40k max. thats a good deal.

[AE92_TreunoSC]

Tunrdas are solid vehicles, I've worked on them new and old and any issues they have, even beyond warranty Toyota has been on top of the issues by extending specific aspects of the warranty. I personally prefer the Ford interior, but I would own a Tundra and lease the Ford.

My only problem with the tundra is fuel economy and the price, but 48,000 for a new limited is a good price, especially considering the F150's price for a leather model.

[danno]

Originally posted by InRich
^ 43k is too much for that truck. I coulda gotten a fully loaded one like that bad in Nov for 43k. Its 2015 now people. I'd say 40k max. thats a good deal.

I agree, I was working a deal in jan then best they would do was 52k I laughed and walked away. A 2014 fx4 fairly optioned should be 40k max. The only problem with the fx4 is that people want them so they can sell them fairly easily. A xlt is a harder sale So they will drop a lot to sell those probably low 30s.

2015 models sounds like a good price on the tundra is take that. Not that you can compare it but a guy at work is just over 500k on his 4 runner.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by cet
I am in the market for a new truck since I managed to write off my car a week ago. I went out today and looked at the 2015 F150 Lariat with the FX4 package and the 2015 Tundra Limited with the Tech package. To me both trucks were pretty equal but did like the F150 a slight bit more. However, after negotiating with Ford the best we got to was $58,000. With the Tundra without negotiating we were at $48,000. So, anyone have experience with the two trucks? A min of $10,000 difference is quite a bit to justify.

I have a 2014 Tundra, same as 2015. It's been great so far. Not as much tech interior wise as the other trucks, but that doesn't bother me. $10k would be tough to justify. If they were the same price it would be a different story.

[78si]

I had a look at the ford f150 yesterday. $73 000 for a platinum!! I never would have thought you could get into the 70's in a 1/2 ton. Traditionally, the tundra should have better resale value. According to fuelly.com the f150 Ecoboost doesn't seem that much better in the fuel economy dept. I've watched a lot of fast lane truck on YouTube and have grown to like the Ecoboost, but wouldn't pay top dollar for one.

[revelations]

^ thats just appalling. OP perhaps consider something out of town. I walked by a Ford dealership in Lethbridge last week and a 2015 F150 Platinum was 'only' 60,000$. :rofl:


edit - just did a build of a F150 platinum (with all options) and it came to about 77,000$ with taxes ..... :rofl:

http://bpfoc.ford.ca/2015-Ford-F-150/?branding=1&lang=en&gnav=header-trucks#/MakeItYours/Config[|Ford|F-150|2015|1|1.|700A.W1E....88B.~YZKAA.SS5.55A.53C.68T.99G.CCAB.AWD.446.PLA.96W.96L.47R.63S.43V.50A.66A.]

[Darell_n]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok
You'll probably see a insurance rate hike in a couple of years with the Ford. Aluminum ain't cheap to fix.

http://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/2015/long-term-road-test/2015-ford-f-150-aluminum-body-repairs-part-1-with-video.html

I think every vehicle today, that isn't some eco-box, has aluminum panels on it. Not an issue to repair and Ford is likely planning on selling replacement panels in high volume.

[HiTempguy1]

From 780tuners, look at the picture of the door seal gap on the highway :rofl:


Rob will love this.

The GFs brother is the lease manager at driving force. His current demo is a 2015 F150 platinum. The truck has developed wind noise over 70kph. Today he discovered this. What you are looking at is where the door meets the a pillar/roof with cruise set at 110

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/25/4ffe5a46e6fac401effd39bee6da7b89.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/25/a015b36313adc4a92532c9706fbaad33.jpg

[r3ccOs]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1
From 780tuners, look at the picture of the door seal gap on the highway :rofl:


Rob will love this.

The GFs brother is the lease manager at driving force. His current demo is a 2015 F150 platinum. The truck has developed wind noise over 70kph. Today he discovered this. What you are looking at is where the door meets the a pillar/roof with cruise set at 110

http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/25/4ffe5a46e6fac401effd39bee6da7b89.jpg
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/02/25/a015b36313adc4a92532c9706fbaad33.jpg

like an aluminium can?

[craigcd]

If resale is important to you I would stay away from the Ford. I currently drive a Tundra but have had many fords. Both trucks do about the same, the Ford actually (in older models anyway) has was better paint in terms of durability. However in the end you cant give them away, even more so if they are high KM.

[codetrap]

Originally posted by 78si
I had a look at the ford f150 yesterday. $73 000 for a platinum!! I never would have thought you could get into the 70's in a 1/2 ton. Traditionally, the tundra should have better resale value. According to fuelly.com the f150 Ecoboost doesn't seem that much better in the fuel economy dept. I've watched a lot of fast lane truck on YouTube and have grown to like the Ecoboost, but wouldn't pay top dollar for one. Call Cam Clark in Olds. Ask for Josh Bernhard and tell him Jim sent you. He killed everyone in Calgary for pricing on my FX4.

[Cos]

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[codetrap]

Did he? Damn! That explains why my email bounced.

[Skrilla]

I came from a F150 ('13) to a Tundra and have never looked back. My parents both have Tundra's and they love them. Not sure if the limited is different, but I enjoy the seats in the Platinum, and the room inside is amazing. Great power, size, and the resale is great, from my experience they are a very easy sell. The Ford has a lot more "gadgets" and some really great features, but there is nothing I can think of I miss from my F150 that the tundra does not have.

I am sure they have fixed some things now, but my Ecoboost was in the shop a lot, including warped manifolds, and a coolant leak among others. Zero issues among any of the Tundra's we have had in our family

[Cos]

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[ExtraSlow]

By the end of the year, the Ford will come down in price much close to the Tundra, but they are selling all they can make through the one plant at this point without incentives, so they don't need to drop the price. Once the Kansas City plant is running at full capacity for four or five months, I predict the rebates will start to creep in.

The deals on the 2014's are pretty good, if you aren't picky about colour, I'd bet you can get some great prices, and it's a solid truck.

I'm a Ford guy, so I haven't looked at the Tundra. Heard they were pretty poor on fuel economy, but not sure how reliable that is.

[Skrilla]

Originally posted by Cos
Interesting. Did you do a lot of towing? I haven't had 1 issue with mine. I am going in for a 'preventative' TSD but other than that don't have a lot going on. They do seem to either be flawless or a lemon. No in between.

Well actually on this truck I did not, my other I had I did. They could not offer one explanation as to why either major failure happened. The truck just started to make a whistle sound, and lose power. As for the coolant leak, they said a faulty line cause the issue at first, then told me it was from overheating:dunno: I just remember seeing my 2 month old truck with the front end pulled out, that kind of did it for me :rofl:

[Aleks]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow


I'm a Ford guy, so I haven't looked at the Tundra. Heard they were pretty poor on fuel economy, but not sure how reliable that is.

Most direct comparisons in mags show 1-2 mpg advantage for the EB 3.5 over the Tundra. Tundra only has 1 rear end, a 4.30.

5.7L is big and does fairly poorly on highway fuel con wise, it has no deactivation. It's rated at just 13/17 mpg but usually most owners can hit those numbers.

That's always number one complaint about reading the Tundra boards. Others include lack of tech, too few gears in transmission (6), small fuel tank (100L). However, there are a few ex F150 EB owners on the site that had big issues and went with Toyota. From what I see most of those guys seem to be in States with humid/warm weather :dunno:

[cet]

I'm still talking with both Ford and Toyota. It looks like it's going to be between the 2014 FX4 and the 2015 Tundra Platinum. From all my reading people seem to be getting close to the same mileage with all 3 engines. the 3.7 and 5 with the Ford and even the 5.7 with the Toyota.

The main thing missing on the Tundra seems to be an electronic locking rear diff. How important is a locking diff if you're doing any type of off roading?

[Cos]

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[Aleks]

Tundra does have an "auto lsd" setting. It's brake based though. Used it a few times, definitely better traction than with it off in snowy/icy conditions, but probably not as good as the real thing.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Has buying an F150 always been like buying a mattress? It seems like you'd be silly to accept anything less than an enormous discount since they are priced so artificially high to begin with.

[ExtraSlow]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
Has buying an F150 always been like buying a mattress? It seems like you'd be silly to accept anything less than an enormous discount since they are priced so artificially high to begin with.
It's my experience that this is true of all the Domestic pickups. The big difference is that the discounts are reasonable transparent if you educate yourself. CarCostCanada and similar services can detail them with high accuracy.

And, as crazy as it may sound, kijiji is actually a decent place to see what the total discount is on a new truck. There are a few local dealers who advertise there, so find that truck, and you can back-calculate the discounts from the MSPR on the ford.ca website.

I personally find this pricing model annoying as hell, but it's become a common industry practice, and so it persists. There are probably a few folks who pay full MSRP, although you'd have to literally not even ask about discounts or read a single advertisement. I've heard that it does happen occasionally.

[leftwing]

How do you guys go about inquiring if a dealership has a vehicle? Most dealerships just use stock photos on their website so it's hard to tell what options/packages the trucks actually have. I don't necessarily want to drive up to Red Deer/Carstairs/Olds/Airdrie on a chance a vehicle I might like would be there.

I might try and pick up a 2014 if I can get a good price, although I am still gonna be pretty picky about colour (I want White, might settle for black) and trim/options (FX4 or Limited)

Are you guys seeing 0% financing? Looks like depending on packages/trim I should be able to get down to the low 40's price-wise. Any other incentives?


*Have no real experience buying from a dealership

[relyt92]

Originally posted by leftwing
How do you guys go about inquiring if a dealership has a vehicle? Most dealerships just use stock photos on their website so it's hard to tell what options/packages the trucks actually have. I don't necessarily want to drive up to Red Deer/Carstairs/Olds/Airdrie on a chance a vehicle I might like would be there.

Give them a call in advance. See if you can get a referral from someone for a salesperson there and then ask.

[ExtraSlow]

A lot of the out-of-town dealerships are pretty responsive to emails as well once you get through to a salesperson.

[Cos]

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[Darell_n]

The 'Blackberry' unix based system used for the last few years by Chysler works so well it's being dropped for Apple Play soon. I'm not sure I would look forward to this as an improvement on future Ford models.

[Cos]

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[killramos]

Don't like 60% of manufacturers use blackberry QNX for their entertainment system backend? Most people wouldn't know it if they had it. Also having apple CarPlay doesn't preclude you from using a QNX backend, which i imagine most of early partners will be using. Apple doesn't make hardware or any real software for cars, just allow you to program in integration.

That said i hate the MS sync in my brothers FX4, way to much effort to accomplish the simplest tasks.

In general I'm not a fan of touchscreens in cars.

[r3ccOs]

the 2014/15 Tundra had some subtle improvements... but overall I'd say its a more premium vehicle with better resale than the 2014 F150 (both due to the new body style on the F150 and that the yota's always do)

I think from a straight out capabiltiy factor, perhaps the 2014 F150 can be spec'd out to be rated higher than the Tundra, and with a top trim King Ranch/Limited/Platnum, the difference between them and a 1794 may be a flip of the coin... but overall I'd still say the Tundra has a better cabin.

If a brand new 1794 Tundra is the same price as a 2014 Limited Lariat, I'd go Tundra any day... but if the discounting on a Fjord is that substantial, I think the 2014 F150s are a great truck and being that it is the last of its generation, a number of gremlins have already been sorted.

[Cos]

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[cet]

Thanks for all the replies. In the end, after talking with both Ford and Toyota I went with 2014 FX4 with the 5L engine

[ExtraSlow]

Pics or it didn't happen bro.