Bill C-51 Preventative arrest? Secret police?

[souljer]

http://m.thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/03/11/C-51-Six-Things-To-Know/


Six Things Protesters Need to Know about Bill C-51

Preventative arrest? Secret police? Rights lawyers break down anti-terrorism law.

By Alyssa Stryker and Carmen Cheung, 11 Mar 2015, TheTyee.ca
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Protesters march against Kinder Morgan Nov. 27, 2014. Actions interfering with 'the economic or financial stability of Canada' can be interpreted as security threats under Bill C-51. Photo by Jackie Dives.
At over 60 pages, Bill C-51 -- the Anti-Terrorism Act -- is a heavy read. The bill proposes a myriad of radical changes to Canadian law and to Canada's national security apparatus, many of which seriously jeopardize the rights and freedoms of Canadians while promising little improvement to public safety.

Canada's privacy commissioner, ex-CSIS officials, former prime ministers and international whistleblower Edward Snowden have all raised alarm about the bill's impacts on Canadians' freedom and privacy. Lawyers at the B.C. Civil Liberties Association have gone over the bill paragraph by paragraph, and we've outlined the parts of this document that concern us most.

1. Bill C-51 drastically expands the definition of 'security.'

When you think of being secure, you likely think of being safe from physical danger. But Bill C-51 defines security as not only safeguarding public safety, but also preventing interference with various aspects of public life or "the economic or financial stability of Canada." With this definition, a separatist demonstration in Quebec that fails to get a proper permit, a peaceful logging blockade by First Nations, or environmentalists obstructing a pipeline route could all be seen as threats to national security.

2. It gives the government too much discretion to pick and choose which individuals and groups to target for further scrutiny.

Bill C-51 gives the government the ability to designate an extraordinarily broad range of activities as potential security threats. The government claims it will use good judgment when deciding which individuals and groups constitute true threats. Whether or not a group is deemed a national security threat may hinge on whether their cause is politically popular or in line with the views of the government.

3. It will severely chill freedom of expression.

It's unclear even to experts exactly what kinds of speech and protest activity may be considered threats to national security if the bill passes; the average Canadian has little hope of feeling confident that their legitimate political activity hasn't inadvertently crossed the line. Bill C-51's expansive language means many Canadians will likely choose not to express themselves -- even in completely legal ways -- rather than risk prosecution. Legitimate speech will be chilled, and our democracy will be worse off for it.

4. It will allow government institutions like Health Canada and the Canada Revenue Agency to share information about you with the RCMP.

The proposed Security of Canada Information Sharing Act (part of Bill C-51) would allow government institutions -- including non-security-related institutions like Health Canada and the Canada Revenue Agency -- to share information amongst themselves without a warrant if they believe the information may be relevant to national security.

Given that no one wants to be seen as responsible in case of a security breach, the default will be to share as much information as possible. Massive information sharing does not mean better security. Not only does this jeopardize the privacy of the individuals whose information is being shared, but it may actually make it harder for investigators to detect real security threats: when looking for a needle in a haystack, it hardly helps to add more hay.

5. Canada already has a troubling regime of preventative arrest and detention; Bill C-51 proposes to make it even worse.

Currently the Criminal Code permits the police to arrest, detain and impose restrictions (such as a curfew or travel ban) on someone who has never been (and may never be) charged with a crime if they have good reasons to believe a terrorist activity will be carried out if these actions aren't taken. Bill C-51 would lower the threshold for these actions to situations where the police believe that a terrorist activity might be carried out. It also doubles the amount of time an individual can be detained without charge. Innocent people could be arrested and detained on mere suspicion of future dangerousness.

6. It would give CSIS the power to act like a police force, while still allowing it to operate secretly as an intelligence gathering service.

Bill C-51 would radically redefine the role of CSIS to include the ability to act on -- rather than merely to collect -- security intelligence. This ignores the lessons of history. The 1960s and 1970s saw serious rights abuses undertaken by the RCMP under its "security intelligence" mandate. CSIS was created in the 1980s for the express purpose of separating Canada's intelligence agency from its police force.

As an intelligence agency, CSIS is permitted to conduct much of its work in secret, and the details of most of its activities are never revealed publicly. But that's precisely why CSIS should not be permitted to also operate as a police force: this secrecy means that rights violations by CSIS are more difficult to detect -- and once detected, more difficult to remedy -- than if they were the result of actions undertaken by law enforcement agencies.

[MGCM]

*yawn* we can't trust our own government........yup its getting old, but will anybody do anything? nope.......next please:dunno:

[zipdoa]

It's scary to consider Canada becoming parrot of the USA. I will strongly consider moving back to Europe if C51 passes.


Originally posted by MGCM
*yawn* we can't trust our own government........yup its getting old, but will anybody do anything? nope.......next please:dunno:

Yes, because since the dawn of time, a populous has never revolted against a tyrannical government. YOU won't do anything, but there's sure as hell strong activity resisting the implementation of this bill.

You make the stupidest posts I've seen on beyond.

[A790]

Originally posted by MGCM
*yawn* we can't trust our own government........yup its getting old, but will anybody do anything? nope.......next please:dunno:
Just because you're content to throw your rights away doesn't mean others are. Don't assume everyone is as lazy and complacent as you.

[codetrap]

Originally posted by zipdoa
Yes, because since the dawn of time, a populous has never revolted against a tyrannical government. YOU won't do anything, but there's sure as hell strong activity resisting the implementation of this bill.

You make the stupidest posts I've seen on beyond. Tyrannical... lol.. don't make me laugh. What Tyranny? This is the equivalent of not getting a double shot of cream for your Timmy's on the tyranny scale. When the government starts killing it's own citizens for objecting, that's tyranny.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for being ever watchful of our rights, but to suggest that the populous is going to "rise up" against the government in Canada and people are going to start putting their lives on the line over this? Childish drama. Things have to get BAD before the people will rise up. Really bad. No food for the people and the gov't executing thousands who object to oppressive regime bad. No more elections bad. Not, "our civil liberties are at risk because of legislation that will be crushed in the courts shortly after it's enacted" bad.

Seriously though, my personal opinion is that the bill needs a lot of work, or it wont' survive a constitutional challenge in court, or a change of government that will probably happen in the next election. But nobody is going to revolt against our tyrannical Canadian overlords anytime soon.

[zipdoa]

Originally posted by codetrap
Tyrannical... lol.. don't make me laugh. What Tyranny? This is the equivalent of not getting a double shot of cream for your Timmy's on the tyranny scale. When the government starts killing it's own citizens for objecting, that's tyranny.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for being ever watchful of our rights, but to suggest that the populous is going to "rise up" against the government in Canada and people are going to start putting their lives on the line over this? Childish drama. Things have to get BAD before the people will rise up. Really bad. No food for the people and the gov't executing thousands who object to oppressive regime bad. No more elections bad. Not, "our civil liberties are at risk because of legislation that will be crushed in the courts shortly after it's enacted" bad.

Seriously though, my personal opinion is that the bill needs a lot of work, or it wont' survive a constitutional challenge in court, or a change of government that will probably happen in the next election. But nobody is going to revolt against our tyrannical Canadian overlords anytime soon.

:rolleyes: You don't need to put your life on the line to protest a freedom-limiting bill.

My point, to the ever insightful MGCM, is that not everyone subscribes to his general level of complacency.

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/03/14/toronto-protest-against-bill-c-51
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bill-c-51-protest-gets-crowded-at-vancouver-art-gallery-1.2995473

And an older article, somewhat irrelevant, but with keywords just to get you worked up:

Stephen Harper and the tyranny of a majority government (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/second-reading/stephen-harper-and-the-tyranny-of-majority-government/article4268008)

I don't believe we currently live under rule of a tyrannical government, but I do get concerned when the wind blows that direction.

Should Canadians be worried about Tyranny or Facism (http://rabble.ca/columnists/2015/03/should-canadians-be-worried-about-tyranny-or-fascism)

[revelations]

Already wrote to my MP about this - encourage others to do same.

We dont need more rights taken away. We need stronger over watch of our government. The government needs to be afraid of the people. We need recall rights of elected officials who lack common sense.

No amount of drag-net/bulk data collection will stop one mentally ill person if one day they decide to blow themselves up in a bus. In fact the Americans were hard-pressed to come up with even 1-2 events that the billions of dollars worth of technology had prevented.

Imagine if that money was used to help people, instead of spy on people.

[msommers]

http://antiterrorlaw.ca/

[EM2FTL]

Geist ftw:

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/2015/03/why-the-anti-terrorism-bill-is-really-an-anti-privacy-bill-bill-c-51s-evisceration-of-government-privacy/



“The first and main concern is the privacy issue…since the information is to be shared by different levels of government and different governmental bodies. There is a risk that privacy can be compromised. The more information is transferred and shared, the greater the risk of security of the information.“

Nearly twenty years ago, that was Stephen Harper, then a Reform Party MP warning against the privacy implications of an electronic voter registry and the fear that information sharing within government raised significant privacy concerns. Today, there is a very different Stephen Harper, who as Prime Minister is fast-tracking a bill that eviscerates privacy protections within the public sector and is even blocking the Privacy Commissioner of Canada from appearing as a witness at the committee studying the bill. Much of the focus on Bill C-51 has related to oversight: the government implausibly claims that it increases oversight (it does not), the Liberals say they support the bill but would like better oversight, and much of the NDP criticism has also centered on oversight. Yet with respect to privacy and Bill C-51, lack of oversight is only a part of the problem.

Last month, I wrote about the disastrous privacy consequences of the bill. The focal point was Bill C-51′s Security of Canada Information Sharing Act (SCISA), a bill within the bill, that goes far further than sharing information related to terrorist activity. It does so in three simple steps. First, the bill permits information sharing across government for an incredibly wide range of purposes, most of which have nothing to do with terrorism. The government has tried to justify the provisions on the grounds that Canadians would support sharing information for national security purposes, but the bill allows sharing for reasons that would surprise and disturb most Canadians. Second, the scope of sharing is remarkably broad, covering 17 government institutions with the prospect of cabinet expansion to other departments as well as further disclosure “to any person, for any purpose.” Third, oversight is indeed a problem as the Privacy Act is already outdated and effectively neutered by the bill.

[Modelexis]

Originally posted by revelations
Already wrote to my MP about this - encourage others to do same.I farted into the wind today, let's see who has a bigger impact on restraining the power of the state.

[A790]

Originally posted by Modelexis
I farted into the wind today, let's see who has a bigger impact on restraining the power of the state.
At least he's doing something. What have you done about it?

[revelations]

With many of the Govt bills and legislation its usually win/lose for many groups - A larger group of people may win at the expense of a few less people who might lose. Not worth worrying about for the masses.

With C51, its something that so defies common sense in that no one benefits and everyone loses. When a Government is this lost, they need to be told what to do.

Thats where AS A GROUP of everyday people (who normally wouldnt) expressing dismay - DOES get results. One voice, no - but I'll bet 100,000 people writing to their MPs will.

[Sugarphreak]

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[MGCM]

Originally posted by A790

At least he's doing something. What have you done about it?

When the dome flooded just before stampede what did they use to pump out all the shit? A whippy little ice cream bucket(letter to MP), or did they use uber powerful water pumps? We dont need an ice cream bucket, its not going to help anytime soon enough to make a noticable impact on society. We need something bigger, better, faster, smarter than the average politician in order to effect any real positive change to society as a whole. Until then we will all slowly watch our current freedoms and rights get taken away. Your right, the common man does not possess the vision to see how fucked up shit is going to get over the next few generations. Your also right in saying that it will take significant fuck ups like mass murdering for protesting. But has that not already happened? Maybe not as directly to our own "Canadian" citizens, but how bout in Africa? Let me do a quick comparison, Hunger Games District 12/13, and Africa.........see the difference? I dont:thumbsdow

[R154]

Originally posted by MGCM


When the dome flooded just before stampede what did they use to pump out all the shit? A whippy little ice cream bucket(letter to MP), or did they use uber powerful water pumps? We dont need an ice cream bucket, its not going to help anytime soon enough to make a noticable impact on society. We need something bigger, better, faster, smarter than the average politician in order to effect any real positive change to society as a whole. Until then we will all slowly watch our current freedoms and rights get taken away. Your right, the common man does not possess the vision to see how fucked up shit is going to get over the next few generations. Your also right in saying that it will take significant fuck ups like mass murdering for protesting. But has that not already happened? Maybe not as directly to our own "Canadian" citizens, but how bout in Africa? Let me do a quick comparison, Hunger Games District 12/13, and Africa.........see the difference? I dont:thumbsdow

I dont really understand what you're talking about. But, it is hilarious.

[A790]

Originally posted by MGCM


When the dome flooded just before stampede what did they use to pump out all the shit? A whippy little ice cream bucket(letter to MP), or did they use uber powerful water pumps? We dont need an ice cream bucket, its not going to help anytime soon enough to make a noticable impact on society. We need something bigger, better, faster, smarter than the average politician in order to effect any real positive change to society as a whole. Until then we will all slowly watch our current freedoms and rights get taken away. Your right, the common man does not possess the vision to see how fucked up shit is going to get over the next few generations. Your also right in saying that it will take significant fuck ups like mass murdering for protesting. But has that not already happened? Maybe not as directly to our own "Canadian" citizens, but how bout in Africa? Let me do a quick comparison, Hunger Games District 12/13, and Africa.........see the difference? I dont:thumbsdow
What in the actual fuck are you talking about?

[Arash Boodagh]

Originally posted by Modelexis
I farted into the wind today, let's see who has a bigger impact on restraining the power of the state. :D
Writing an MP to preserve freedoms may even have agents snooping around and reading ones Beyond forum posts....

Inside Chris Rock joke..
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/07/b7/c1/07b7c185ca2890f7face0353deac0825.jpg

[EM2FTL]

MGCM, i'm with you 100% - ever thought about starting a blog so more people can hear your ideas?

[frizzlefry]

I am not the type to give up freedom without a fight. But the concerns over this are so overblown. And I am paranoid.

This is not an NSA level broad authorization to collect and store all our information. This also not a "random" authorization to search anyone's laptop like the CBSA already has. This is very rushed bill that mostly aims to allow one government agency that legally knows information to share it with another government agency after it legally requests it. There is no randomness. There is no broad collection of our information. This is information sharing on a selected target. Information obtained from open sources. Nothing random. No NSA shit.

Is this being rushed through due process? Absolutely. But for no nefarious reasons other than political one upmanship and it being close to election time.

This doesn't take away a freedom. All it does is allow one government agency to share information they can already obtain legally with another government agency. There will be no "new" information for the government here. It would be information at least one government division already has and has been able to collect for years. As far as I am aware the methods of obtaining this information has not been changed.

The biggest issue with this is the broad definitions. And people have a point there. And this bill needs to be refined IMO. But it is, in no way, even close to violating our freedoms. Protesters may be concerned but there is nothing that goes against the right to assembly or free speech. Nothing.

So the loose definitions could result in occupy movement types to be labeled terrorists? They shouldn't flatter themselves. Nobody really ever gave a shit about them. Give CSIS the names of protesters who oppose this and their first response would be "who?"

:devil:

edit: The most damning violation being executed by a government agency is the CBSA. They, currently, have the right to randomly search your laptop and phone. No other government agency has this right. Being that this bill does not change the way information is gathered but rather addresses the sharing of said information then the CBSA should be the target. This bill won't allow agencies to share information they don't already have the legal right to obtain.

If people got their panties in a twist over the CBSA like they did over this bill then all our privacy would be vastly improved. Squash the bill, fine. The CBSA would still be the only government agency allowed to randomly snoop into our private information and collect it without a warrant. Priorities people.

[revelations]

The real question is:

If its not for "terrorism" (which this wont prevent), then what is the REAL reason for all this?

Apparently Norway and many other European countries do this already.

[frizzlefry]

Originally posted by revelations

If its not for "terrorism" (which this wont prevent), then what is the REAL reason for all this?

Politics combined with a desperate attempt to apply methods of information gathering without violating internet freedoms. In the absence of a good internet policing policy, sharing information with as many agencies as possible is the next best step.

It's flawed for sure. But its not an NSA level freedom fuck as people make it out to be. It's difficult waters for lawmakers. Respect the rights of the populace while trying to police a new technology medium that is inherently biased, by design, to freedom of speech and openness.

This bill, while not a new idea and not the end of freedom, is flawed but its the best thing the government could think to do. It's politics and management trying to solve a technical problem. How to manage surveillance over an encrypted network without violating privacy. Its not possible. So open up the sharing of information we CAN get. Thats all this is.

This bill treads very lightly IMO. The NSA went the complete opposite direction.

This bill won't prevent terrorism. I agree. Because it is THAT benign. If people want an information bill to prevent terrorism than they best be ready to give up a shit ton more freedoms than this bill demands.

Or we could just chill out and not do anything and accomplish nothing which is the same as this bill will do. It won't imprison the dissenters nor will it do a lot to stop terror. Its just a waste of money which is universal to all political parties so I don't fault the conservatives much. Just another example of politics.

IMO the only Islamic terror solution is to turn the region into glass. That's it. But we can't. So this little dance will go on and on and on well past the point I'm dead. Or until ISIS attacks Russia. Then they will do the glass work without a bunch of politicking.

[Thales of Miletus]

The "information sharing" part of the bill should worry every Canadian.

That one part means the government can share any informations about any Canadian.

I think many Canadians assume that we have better protections against government and the police state than Americans do. I don't think we do, and with Harper at the helm, we certainly will not.

[MGCM]

Originally posted by EM2FTL
MGCM, i'm with you 100% - ever thought about starting a blog so more people can hear your ideas?

lol look at what happens to Arash and Thales on here.......no thx the world isnt ready to hear half the shit I want to say. Arash and Thales, ect, are doing a great job trying to go slow so the sheeple can keep up.:thumbsup:

[revelations]

Im sure we'll see a package of icing sugar mailed to Parliamentarian Hill - all in order to create more fear for the MPs.

Manufactured terror, manufactured bills.

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by MGCM


lol look at what happens to Arash and Thales on here.......no thx the world isnt ready to hear half the shit I want to say. Arash and Thales, ect, are doing a great job trying to go slow so the sheeple can keep up.:thumbsup:

The Ragged-Trousered Philanthropists.

[FraserB]

Originally posted by MGCM


lol look at what happens to Arash and Thales on here.......no thx the world isnt ready to hear half the shit I want to say. Arash and Thales, ect, are doing a great job trying to go slow so the sheeple can keep up.:thumbsup:

Arash rants about how the police pull him over and “harass” him when he breaks the law and claims they violate Charter rights he can't articulate. This is when hes not claiming his latest conspiracy that keeps him down or trashin Canada. I'd hardly call him some savant that has an intellectual leg up on people.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by FraserB


Arash rants about how the police pull him over and “harass” him when he breaks the law and claims they violate Charter rights he can't articulate. This is when hes not claiming his latest conspiracy that keeps him down or trashin Canada. I'd hardly call him some savant that has an intellectual leg up on people.

Don't forget his love for Iran. The most awesome and free place on earth.

[Arash Boodagh]

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Originally posted by FraserB


Arash rants about how the police pull him over and “harass” him when he breaks the law and claims they violate Charter rights he can't articulate. This is when hes not claiming his latest conspiracy that keeps him down or trashin Canada. I'd hardly call him some savant that has an intellectual leg up on people. ppppffff... what are you trying to say here with your statement... that Thales is a savant? The member that promotes Arabs as the ones behind 911.

[snoop101]

So this got passed today. I'm still confused on why everyone from BC is so against this? Does it really matter to the average Canadian? Will it make our life any different?

On a side note I grew up in BC and all my relatives are there, but it just seems like everyone I know there from BC complain all the time about everything. Just an observation.

[01RedDX]

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[zipdoa]

Originally posted by MGCM


lol look at what happens to Arash and Thales on here.......no thx the world isnt ready to hear half the shit I want to say. Arash and Thales, ect, are doing a great job trying to go slow so the sheeple can keep up.:thumbsup:

http://www.uloc.de/screenshots/a/aabf18_sarcasm_detector.jpg

[GTS4tw]

Originally posted by A790

Just because you're content to throw your rights away doesn't mean others are. Don't assume everyone is as lazy and complacent as you.

Time proves that we are. People are all talk, zero action.

[snoop101]

Originally posted by 01RedDX


Let's say they decide that a little terrorism-related joke you made is a serious threat and arrest you and detain you indefinitely. Would that be a problem for you? It's just a way to make it easier for them to arrest you if they suspect you "may" be planning something, and it's entirely up to them to decide what "may" means. I think it's really just a way to make it easier for Harper to target aboriginal protesters and environmentalists, whom he hates with a passion, but there is potential for serious human rights violations.

Oh well. Just one more thing for the federal NDP to dismantle when the PCs get booted out of office.

I dunno seems like it has been so hyped up by fear-mongers. Can you remember the last time you said a terrorism-related joke online? I guess you could think of it the same as yelling bomb out in an airport. If you are dumb enough to do that then you should be question.

Maybe im getting older and see it more, but Canada in general seems to be full of fear-mongering. I had to actually stop seeing posts on facebook from my sister who lives on the island because all her facebook posts are negative. Seriously they think that having there electrical meter transmit over the air for wireless reporting is going to kill them, yet my sister smoked for 20 years before stopping.

[01RedDX]

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[Sugarphreak]

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[Toma]

All this means is we will now see NDP take over Federal as well.

You would think the PC's would "get it" haha.

[googe]

Holy fuck I cannot believe this passed. Congrats on your very own Patriot Act.

The bill itself is the fear mongering, not the opposition to it.

[A790]

Originally posted by googe
Holy fuck I cannot believe this passed. Congrats on your very own Patriot Act.

The bill itself is the fear mongering, not the opposition to it.
My thoughts exactly.

We need to vote Harper out, boys and girls.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Yeah BC is bad for that

I don't think the bill does anything except make it easier to clamp down on suspected terrorists who intend to do harm to Canadian citizens.

The only other people who have to worry are radicalists that are teetering on the edge of taking action to hurt people.

It goes a lot further than that man. Yes that's the intended purpose, but it also allows a whole lot of spying on pretty much anyone they want. Oh, and the ability to call anyone at a non-government approved protest a terrorist.

You said you want to a protest once back home. That could make you a suspected terrorist by law and put you in all kinds of shit.

[snoop101]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


It goes a lot further than that man. Yes that's the intended purpose, but it also allows a whole lot of spying on pretty much anyone they want. Oh, and the ability to call anyone at a non-government approved protest a terrorist.

You said you want to a protest once back home. That could make you a suspected terrorist by law and put you in all kinds of shit.

I'm curious on what people need to hide. I could really care less if the government see's me eating ice cream on Facebook.

IMO every protest should be government approved and be closely watched. I have never seen a protest that was actually good and warranted. Also the average everyday person does not go out and protest. Seriously we live in Canada, what do we need to bitch about. We have the most open country in the world. If it was so bad here than why does everyone want to move here.

[googe]

Ok, you have to be trolling. No real thinking human believes those things. Nice try.

[GTS4tw]

Originally posted by snoop101


I'm curious on what people need to hide. I could really care less if the government see's me eating ice cream on Facebook.

IMO every protest should be government approved and be closely watched. I have never seen a protest that was actually good and warranted. Also the average everyday person does not go out and protest. Seriously we live in Canada, what do we need to bitch about. We have the most open country in the world. If it was so bad here than why does everyone want to move here.

While I totally disagree that we are the "most open country in the world". I do agree that protests here are done mainly by unemployed, undereducated morons who are looking for special treatment and are willing to do nothing other than blocking traffic for honest hardworking people. I have never seen a worthwhile "protest" either, but have seen a few blockades that were done properly, and garnered respect for the alternative point of view.

Here in Kelowna we have almost daily protests of "chemtrails", and not only do I think the government should closely monitor these people, I truly believe we should practice sterilization on them for the good of mankind.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by GTS4tw

, I truly believe we should practice sterilization on them for the good of mankind.

What else do you think our chemtrails are doing?

[GTS4tw]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


What else do you think our chemtrails are doing?

I can honestly say that in my past job I used to load airplanes with the chemicals that cause chemtrails. So maybe I am biased.

[Tik-Tok]

I have to maintain the tanks and prayers dude. I'm amazed I managed to have a kid.

[A790]

Originally posted by snoop101


I'm curious on what people need to hide. I could really care less if the government see's me eating ice cream on Facebook.

IMO every protest should be government approved and be closely watched. I have never seen a protest that was actually good and warranted. Also the average everyday person does not go out and protest. Seriously we live in Canada, what do we need to bitch about. We have the most open country in the world. If it was so bad here than why does everyone want to move here.
Can't tell if sarcasm...

[hampstor]

And here is how they voted...


https://openparliament.ca/votes/41-2/395/

[01RedDX]

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[googe]

Originally posted by hampstor
And here is how they voted...


https://openparliament.ca/votes/41-2/395/

Liberals are so useless.