Spotted (On Kijiji): 1997 911 Turbo - $168k

[zipdoa]

Do want...

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/city-of-toronto/1997-porsche-911-turbo-coupe-2-door/1055903274?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NDgwWDY0MA==/z/gXcAAOSwqu9U~Kfe/$_27.JPG

[A790]

Not for that kind of money. I'll take a 997/991 Turbo S :)

[zipdoa]

But for $400k would you take a 8,000KMs sport quattro?

http://rmauctions.com/lots/lot.cfm?lot_id=1071873
http://fourtitude.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/2015-RM-Auctions-Arizona-Sale-Audi-Sport-quattro-446.jpg

[A790]

Also no, but that sure is a neat car :)

[vengie]

Gorgeous for sure!

But i'm in the same boat as A790, 991 turbo s please :drool:

[dirtsniffer]

too many k to be a collector. wonder how much those go for.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

$168K? Crack pipe.

[eglove]

Smoking something for that price

[rage2]

I think you guys are the ones smoking something. 993 Turbos have appreciated like crazy in the last few years. That price is slightly below the average price due to the higher mileage.

edit - looks like it's gotten even crazier since I last checked. They're selling for 250-350k low mileage now.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Oh, I know how hot the 993 market has gotten in the past couple of years, I still think it's crack-pipe money. It reeks of an overhyped "investor" price bubble, and we've seen that happen a couple times before. They're wonderful cars but IMO they're $100,000 cars.

[A790]

Originally posted by rage2
I think you guys are the ones smoking something. 993 Turbos have appreciated like crazy in the last few years. That price is slightly below the average price due to the higher mileage.

edit - looks like it's gotten even crazier since I last checked. They're selling for 250-350k low mileage now.
Not crazy. 993's are great for collectors, but how long is that really sustainable?

I'm with Berserker on this one.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by rage2
I think you guys are the ones smoking something. 993 Turbos have appreciated like crazy in the last few years. That price is slightly below the average price due to the higher mileage.

edit - looks like it's gotten even crazier since I last checked. They're selling for 250-350k low mileage now. :dunno: :nut:

Unreal.

[max_boost]

I still remember when Kulu was selling a 93 for I think $105k and I thought that was nuts haha

[That.Guy.S30]

Originally posted by max_boost
I still remember when Kulu was selling a 93 for I think $105k and I thought that was nuts haha

That 93 was BELOW market value as well. The 93/94 was the last year for the 964 turbo with the 3.6 turbo engine. They have skyrocketed as well.

All these aircooled porsches will continue to rise. I think partly because of the RWB trend and butchering these cars up.

[01RedDX]

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[Cody D]

I thought I did well last year when I made $10,000 off of my 964, that car is now worth another $15,000 on top of that. The current air-cooled trend is nucking futs.

[NoPulp]

168K for a VW beetle? dafuq


Just kidding, but seriously... for 168k? I don't get this "trend".

[natty54]

any aircooled porsche is going way up in value

[Team_Mclaren]

Originally posted by A790
Not for that kind of money. I'll take a 997/991 Turbo S :)


you are fucking crazy to compare a 993 to a 991 LOL.

It is sustainable because they are getting more rare. Look at any real collectors car.

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by Team_Mclaren



you are fucking crazy to compare a 993 to a 991 LOL.

It is sustainable because they are getting more rare. Look at any real collectors car.

Part of the crazy prices are due to overseas buyers. I know someone who vacations in Germany, last time they were there they simply mentioned in passing they owned an RS America back in Canada. No plan to sell it but within a couple days the word got out and people he didn't know where making stupid offers till eventually someone made one he couldn't refuse. So off to Germany it went.

I bought a Plain Jane nothing special 964 a could years ago. I love driving it, sure it's not all that fast or flashy, but it's fun. I'm having a hard time justifying keeping it, it's literally doubled in value.

[A790]

Originally posted by Team_Mclaren
you are fucking crazy to compare a 993 to a 991 LOL.

It is sustainable because they are getting more rare. Look at any real collectors car.
How am I crazy? I see no value in an old collectors Porsche. For the same money I'd prefer a new one.

That doesn't make me crazy. It just means I have different tastes than you.

[Sorath]

nothing special, price is average. move on? :dunno:

[rage2]

Originally posted by BerserkerCatSplat
Oh, I know how hot the 993 market has gotten in the past couple of years, I still think it's crack-pipe money. It reeks of an overhyped "investor" price bubble, and we've seen that happen a couple times before. They're wonderful cars but IMO they're $100,000 cars.

Originally posted by A790
Not crazy. 993's are great for collectors, but how long is that really sustainable?

I'm with Berserker on this one.
It's a classic supply vs demand problem right now that's driving the prices up, especially in the US market. There weren't that many 993 Turbos sold in NA.


Originally posted by That.Guy.S30
That 93 was BELOW market value as well. The 93/94 was the last year for the 964 turbo with the 3.6 turbo engine. They have skyrocketed as well.
Yea, the Bad Boys 3.6 turbos are selling for crack money too. But it's not just air cooled Porsches right now, it's all the poster and movie cars from the 80 and 90's. The kids that grew up with them are in their prime earning years, and really fucking up the demand curve. Take a look at Countach prices, it's even more fucked than the Porsche prices haha. Wolf of Wall street didn't help either. :rofl:

[A790]

Originally posted by rage2

It's a classic supply vs demand problem right now that's driving the prices up, especially in the US market. There weren't that many 993 Turbos sold in NA.

I gathered that. My point was that this type of price inflation is unlikely to be sustainable in the long term.

[max_boost]

Originally posted by A790

How am I crazy? I see no value in an old collectors Porsche. For the same money I'd prefer a new one.

That doesn't make me crazy. It just means I have different tastes than you.

I'm with ya :werd: I am just a poser car enthusiast and can't appreciate the older ones hehe can't afford it anyway. :nut: :dunno:

[01RedDX]

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[BavarianBeast]

I wish I had the money to buy the last manual GT3RS...

I would of driven it for a week, parked it and then waited 20 years. It is absolutely insane how much some of these cars can appreciate.

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by BavarianBeast
I wish I had the money to buy the last manual GT3RS...

I would of driven it for a week, parked it and then waited 20 years. It is absolutely insane how much some of these cars can appreciate.

You might not need to wait 20 years. What was a GT3RS 4.0 new? Wasn't long and those were selling for a 30% bump, it might be even more than that now, in only 3-4 years? :nut:

[EvolutionVape]

oooh perfect for RWB :D

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by EvolutionVape
oooh perfect for RWB :D

The more cars RWB and Singer modify the less stock 964's and 993's there are, that's also a factor.

[Redlyne_mr2]

I love the look of the 993s but not the drive. For that kind of money I would be looking at F cars.

[ddduke]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
I love the look of the 993s but not the drive. For that kind of money I would be looking at F cars.

:werd:
I want one like crazy but can not stand the ride.

[Buster]

Reminds me of looking at Ford GT's over the past few years.

[M.alex]

Just imagine the value of the car if you stuck in a proper engine like an LS9 :drool:

[zipdoa]

Damn, another one:

1997 Porsche 911 Turbo

http://www.kijiji.ca/v-cars-trucks/edmonton/1997-porsche-911-turbo-coupe-993-air-cooled/1055668605?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTMyWDgwMA==/z/XzYAAOSwBLlU-y2G/$_27.JPG

[schocker]

^^^ Why is the price in US Funds :nut:

[rage2]

Because 30% profit lol.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by zipdoa
Damn, another one:

I like the last line of his post:

"Ad companies need not inquire."

haha, poor James. :nut:

[2Legit2Quit]

Haven't gotten any responses from them on my offer to straight trade for my s2k :dunno:

[J.M.]

Originally posted by 2Legit2Quit
Haven't gotten any responses from them on my offer to straight trade for my s2k :dunno:

lol

[zipdoa]

Gross. May as well turn this into the 993 pricing thread:

http://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/rennlist.com-vbulletin/640x1136/80-image_d1838bb8fb2eea8cff04ddcb6e3d2a2a7e20b3cf.jpg

[Redlyne_mr2]

^^ thats crazy to pay that for a 911.

[M.alex]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
^^ thats crazy to pay that for a 911.

you know you have too much money when.... :nut:

[you&me]

Originally posted by rage2


It's a classic supply vs demand problem right now that's driving the prices up, especially in the US market. There weren't that many 993 Turbos sold in NA.


Yea, the Bad Boys 3.6 turbos are selling for crack money too. But it's not just air cooled Porsches right now, it's all the poster and movie cars from the 80 and 90's. The kids that grew up with them are in their prime earning years, and really fucking up the demand curve. Take a look at Countach prices, it's even more fucked than the Porsche prices haha. Wolf of Wall street didn't help either. :rofl:

FWIW, the actual car from Bad Boys is on the market (complete with letter of authenticity, letter from production assistant, etc)... Appears to have a 30% premium attached for being 'the' car, even though everything else about it is fairly run-of-the-mill...

[ercchry]

Originally posted by you&me


FWIW, the actual car from Bad Boys is on the market (complete with letter of authenticity, letter from production assistant, etc)... Appears to have a 30% premium attached for being 'the' car, even though everything else about it is fairly run-of-the-mill...

that car was optioned out though... Will paid $105k for that thing! :rofl:

[That.Guy.S30]

Originally posted by you&me


FWIW, the actual car from Bad Boys is on the market (complete with letter of authenticity, letter from production assistant, etc)... Appears to have a 30% premium attached for being 'the' car, even though everything else about it is fairly run-of-the-mill...

Which car is it? There were 2 or 3 cars used in filming Bad Boys. You could tell because of the brake caliper colors. One red, one yellow.

[JustinL]

I've got a friend who's thinking about selling his 96 993TT that was formerly owned by Michael Jordan and Scotty Pippen. Do you guys think that former owners increase the value of a car like this?

[dirtsniffer]

not if it's been driven. If its a zero mile with documented owner history then maybe.. I really don't know ha.

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by dirtsniffer
I really don't know ha.

When it comes to P.Car prices these days nobody does.:nut:

[nismodrifter]

Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


When it comes to P.Car prices these days nobody does.:nut:

I insist that the vehicle has had a major performed in 2015 though I only have records from 1996-2020.

Enjoy it in good health.

[you&me]

Originally posted by That.Guy.S30


Which car is it? There were 2 or 3 cars used in filming Bad Boys. You could tell because of the brake caliper colors. One red, one yellow.

Hmmm... I've never noticed two cars used during filming? Odd that the caliper colour is different; AFAIK, yellow caliper were never available on a 964 Turbo (even on the "S", as they were on the 993s).

Regardless, the Bad Boys car has a well-known ownership history, VIN, letters of authenticity, etc...



Originally posted by JustinL
I've got a friend who's thinking about selling his 96 993TT that was formerly owned by Michael Jordan and Scotty Pippen. Do you guys think that former owners increase the value of a car like this?

Generally not, unless the owner gives the car some sort of special recognition. Eventually, there may be some added value through ownership (look at anything Steve McQueen). In the case of the Bad Boys Turbo, I'm not sure the market value and the owner's price converge, but that's up to him... Though, there's something to be said for the fact that that car lead to the entire model range being known as that car in that 964 Turbos are commonly referred to as "the bad boys" 911...

In my experience, celebrity ownership in and of itself does nothing for the value of a car... The car being special itself, compounded with celebrity ownership is where values start to be affected. For instance, Seinfeld's one-off Blue 993 Turbo S - rare colour + rare options + low miles, etc, = high price... Not sure how much of the value would be attributed to Seinfeld, but I guess it doesn't hurt.

[That.Guy.S30]

Originally posted by you&me


Hmmm... I've never noticed two cars used during filming? Odd that the caliper colour is different; AFAIK, yellow caliper were never available on a 964 Turbo (even on the "S", as they were on the 993s).

Regardless, the Bad Boys car has a well-known ownership history, VIN, letters of authenticity, etc...




Generally not, unless the owner gives the car some sort of special recognition. Eventually, there may be some added value through ownership (look at anything Steve McQueen). In the case of the Bad Boys Turbo, I'm not sure the market value and the owner's price converge, but that's up to him... Though, there's something to be said for the fact that that car lead to the entire model range being known as that car in that 964 Turbos are commonly referred to as "the bad boys" 911...

In my experience, celebrity ownership in and of itself does nothing for the value of a car... The car being special itself, compounded with celebrity ownership is where values start to be affected. For instance, Seinfeld's one-off Blue 993 Turbo S - rare colour + rare options + low miles, etc, = high price... Not sure how much of the value would be attributed to Seinfeld, but I guess it doesn't hurt.

Sorry, I meant one car was with black calipers and the one was with red. Brain fart.

The chase scene car had the red ones and the "fries" car had the black one. One of the guys off 6speedonline actually bought the "fries" car and started a discussion on how many cars were used for the film.

[Redlyne_mr2]

I thought it was all the same car. I read somewhere that the budget for BB was low and they paid will smith to use his own car in the movie.

[killramos]

Fuck you guys have expensive taste in beetles :nut:

edit: I'm an idiot, someone has already made the beetle joke in this thread :rofl:

[rage2]

Originally posted by Redlyne_mr2
I thought it was all the same car. I read somewhere that the budget for BB was low and they paid will smith to use his own car in the movie.
The valuable bad boys car was Michael Bay's car, not Will Smith's. That's the 3.6 Turbo with the black brakes.

3 cars were used for the movie, there's a close up car that's a 3.3, and the red brakes 3.6 Turbo that nobody seems to know where it has gone.

I didn't know the car's back on the market again.

[That.Guy.S30]

Originally posted by rage2

The valuable bad boys car was Michael Bay's car, not Will Smith's. That's the 3.6 Turbo with the black brakes.

3 cars were used for the movie, there's a close up car that's a 3.3, and the red brakes 3.6 Turbo that nobody seems to know where it has gone.

I didn't know the car's back on the market again.

3.6 turbo with the reds was Mike Lowry's car lol :rofl:

[CanmoreOrLess]

Originally posted by JustinL
I've got a friend who's thinking about selling his 96 993TT that was formerly owned by Michael Jordan and Scotty Pippen. Do you guys think that former owners increase the value of a car like this?

Check the glove box, should you find a pencil with bite marks on it, major bump in the value of the car overall. Otherwise, it was a car owned by a basketball HOF member who had twenty cars to choose from every morning and probably had a personal assistant running errands in a Porsche just like this one.

[rage2]

Originally posted by CanmoreOrLess
Check the glove box, should you find a pencil with bite marks on it, major bump in the value of the car overall.
Only if it's Jon Voight the actor's bite marks.