Calgary Police Service patrol rifle stolen during car prowling Saturday, April 4 2015

[rob the knob]

Calgary Police Service patrol rifle stolen during car prowling

Calgary-Police-

Calgary, Alberta -

The Calgary Police Service is seeking public assistance in a car prowling that took place yesterday night. During the evening of Saturday, April 4, 2015, an off duty CPS member attended a restaurant in the 0-100 block of Crowfoot Terrace N.W. where he parked his personal vehicle in the parking lot.

Inside his vehicle, was a police issue patrol rifle inside a locked hard covered carrying case that he had taken home to clean while off duty. Also within the locked case were two magazines containing 28 rounds each.

When he returned to his vehicle he found that the vehicle had been broken into and the patrol rifle case and contents had been taken.

Investigators are canvassing the area for CCTV footage and trying to determine if other vehicles were also targeted.

If anyone witnessed or has information about the circumstances surrounding this incident please contact police at 403-266-1234 or Crime Stoppers anonymously using any of the following methods:

TALK:1-800-222-8477
TYPE: www.calgarycrimestoppers.org
TEXT: tttTIPS to 274637

CASE # 15134995

Calgary Police Service

[Sophal]

Someone is gonna get fired.

[killramos]

Originally posted by Sophal
Someone is gonna get fired.

For what? Properly securing his firearm in a locked case in a locked car and having some degenerate criminal target his vehicle. Break In. And steal the carbine?

To the best of my knowledge its up the his department head ( police chief ) to decide if off duty use of issued firearms is allowed. I doubt he was contravening this.

Your statement is just victim blaming.

[frizzlefry]

I was going to post this as a new thread earlier but, being reddit as my only source, I didn't. I thought it had to be BS. But now this all makes sense.

Police setup roadblocks and demand to search people's cars (http://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/comments/31hxpq/police_checking_vehicles_at_crowfoot/)

So a cop gets his rifle jacked from his personal vehicle so the CPS setup roadblocks and do a mass search of people's cars. Threatening them with detainment (waiting for a warrant they would never get) if they don't comply.

Is this the the procedure if a personal firearm of a civilian gets stolen? Nope. But cause it was a cop the CPS see fit to intimidate everyone in the area with a warrant-less search of their vehicles. To cover their ass....er...I mean...promote public safety.

I cannot believe these searches happened. Unacceptable. Being that this guy posted this reddit thread before the news broke I suspect he's legit.

If this happened the CPS acted like a bunch of cunts.

[killramos]

Originally posted by frizzlefry
I was going to post this as a new thread earlier but, being reddit as my only source, I didn't. I thought it had to be BS. But now this all makes sense.

Police setup roadblocks and demand to search people's cars (http://www.reddit.com/r/Calgary/comments/31hxpq/police_checking_vehicles_at_crowfoot/)

So a cop gets his rifle jacked from his personal vehicle so the CPS setup roadblocks and do a mass search of people's cars. Threatening them with detainment (waiting for a warrant they would never get) if they don't comply.

Is the the procedure if a personal firearm of a civilian gets stolen? Nope. But cause it was a cop the CPS see fit to intimidate everyone in the area with a warrant-less search of their vehicles. To cover their ass....er...I mean...promote public safety.

I cannot believe these searches happened. Unacceptable. Being that this guy posted this reddit thread before the news broke I suspect he's legit.

If this happened the CPS acted like a bunch of cunts.

Thats fucked. No excuse...

but it is an automatic rifle with full capacity magazines to be fair... A bit different than a civilian long gun.

[OU812]

yawn.......if you have nothing illegal in your car and its a quick detention who cares.

[frizzlefry]

Originally posted by killramos


Thats fucked. No excuse...

but it is an automatic rifle with full capacity magazines to be fair... A bit different than a civilian long gun.

Yeah but a bullet is a bullet. One shot takes a life. It is as dangerous as a long gun in that respect. But yes, full auto is worse. But think of how many illegal full auto guns are on the streets right now. If CPS catches wind of a sale do they roadblock 10 blocks and search everyone? No. This was an abuse of power to cover up a major CPS fuck up.

[frizzlefry]

Originally posted by OU812
yawn.......if you have nothing illegal in your car and its a quick detention who cares.

Because it's a violation of a person's rights. Pesky "rights". Gawd, only criminals need those. :rofl:

[leftwing]

First post doesn't really tell the full story...

Link from global:

http://globalnews.ca/news/1922229/patrol-rifle-stolen-out-of-calgary-police-members-car/

Sounds like the officer took this rifle home to clean it, despite it not being common practice, or even allowed.

From the limited info, I for some reason feel like this was an inside job. I mean the chances of that particular car being broken into, in what I assume was a decently busy parking lot are pretty slim. And the fact that there was a fairly valuable rifle inside, which from the article sounds like shouldn't have even been there make it seem even more improbable.

On the other hand though, I don't know why the officer would risk all this attention and his job to get a rifle into someone else's hands.

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by frizzlefry
This was an abuse of power to cover up a major CPS fuck up.

How does bringing more attention to the situation help to "cover it up" exactly? I see what your saying but I don't see any attempt to cover anything up here.

[e31]

Isn't it unlawful to transport a firearm unless it is being taken directly from point A to point B, with either being your home or a designated range,etc? Stopping for a burger along the way would technically be in violation of the law.

That's it, 15-20 years in the gulag for this guy... Should "High River" every officer's residence just to make a point.

[Nitro5]

Originally posted by frizzlefry


Yeah but a bullet is a bullet. One shot takes a life. It is as dangerous as a long gun in that respect. But yes, full auto is worse. But think of how many illegal full auto guns are on the streets right now. If CPS catches wind of a sale do they roadblock 10 blocks and search everyone? No. This was an abuse of power to cover up a major CPS fuck up.

How recent was the theft to the roadblocks?

I feel the same would happen if the Shooting Edge/Wholesale Sports were robbed and they got on scene soon after.

But if it was hours old it is kinda pointless.

[lilmira]

The RC knocked on the door, no one answered so.............;)

[MGCM]

ive had my vehicle searched before without a warrant, nothing was found, and they didnt do a boarder security rip my car apart so it wasnt brutal, unpleasant situation yes, but not as bad as it could have been.

[killramos]

Originally posted by e31
Isn't it unlawful to transport a firearm unless it is being taken directly from point A to point B, with either being your home or a designated range,etc? Stopping for a burger along the way would technically be in violation of the law.

That's it, 15-20 years in the gulag for this guy... Should "High River" every officer's residence just to make a point.

Issued firearms are exempt from the firearms act. So no.

[frizzlefry]

Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


How does bringing more attention to the situation help to "cover it up" exactly? I see what your saying but I don't see any attempt to cover anything up here.

I agree...lets say "mitigate" instead of cover-up. And say they had "mitigated" the situation as a result of the searches would they have released a statement to the media, reporting the rifle as stolen? The story broke HOURS AFTER the rifle was stolen. They told the media because they are trying to locate it.

Had they located it via mass searches it wouldn't be "breaking news". But that is an assumption on my part.

They hoped to mitigate a CPS fuck up. Hows that? :)

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by frizzlefry
They hoped to mitigate a CPS fuck up. Hows that? :)

:thumbsup:

[frizzlefry]

Originally posted by Nitro5


How recent was the theft to the roadblocks?

I feel the same would happen if the Shooting Edge/Wholesale Sports were robbed and they got on scene soon after.

But if it was hours old it is kinda pointless.

The theft and roadblocks were more than 20 hours ago. Last night. Nothing on the news this AM about it so i figured it was a BS reddit post. But now, hours later, there is news about a missing assault rifle as the CPS let the media know in an attempt to find it after their iffy roadblocks and warrantless searches didn't work.

Hence my suspicion of "cover up". Or "mitigation". Had they located the weapon by searching vehicles without a warrant I doubt the theft would be in the news. Try one thing, didn't work, shit, ok contact the media.

[Sophal]

Originally posted by killramos


For what? Properly securing his firearm in a locked case in a locked car and having some degenerate criminal target his vehicle. Break In. And steal the carbine?

To the best of my knowledge its up the his department head ( police chief ) to decide if off duty use of issued firearms is allowed. I doubt he was contravening this.

Your statement is just victim blaming.

Maybe read this http://globalnews.ca/news/1922229/patrol-rifle-stolen-out-of-calgary-police-members-car/

Edit
If this was to happen to me I would be facing some serious charges. But I don't stop at shanks for wings and a beer on my way home from the range, like this sworn member.

[FraserB]

Originally posted by e31
Isn't it unlawful to transport a firearm unless it is being taken directly from point A to point B, with either being your home or a designated range,etc? Stopping for a burger along the way would technically be in violation of the law.

That's it, 15-20 years in the gulag for this guy... Should "High River" every officer's residence just to make a point.

Depends on the firearm.

My ATT allows me to transport a firearm for which I am in legal possession of to any approved club or range in the province of Alberta or to international border crossings provided I have the proper US documentation as well. The departure and return points will be a point of storage identified to the CFP by the license holder.

It states that transportation must be reasonably direct. There is no legal definition of reasonable direct and it can include getting gas, picking people up, stopping for food or stopping for the bathroom. All depends on the situation.

By definition, it appears that the officer only broke department policy (if that), not any of the laws relating to firearms.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by leftwing


From the limited info, I for some reason feel like this was an inside job. I mean the chances of that particular car being broken into, in what I assume was a decently busy parking lot are pretty slim. And the fact that there was a fairly valuable rifle inside, which from the article sounds like shouldn't have even been there make it seem even more improbable.


That was exactly my thoughts when I first read it. I mean coincidences happen, but come on.

[killramos]

Originally posted by Sophal


Maybe read this http://globalnews.ca/news/1922229/patrol-rifle-stolen-out-of-calgary-police-members-car/

Edit
If this was to happen to me I would be facing some serious charges. But I don't stop at shanks for wings and a beer on my way home from the range, like this sworn member.

None of that info is part of the original Post and story which I was referring to. My guess thaT he had permission was wrong I guess :dunno:

Officer is not subject to the same transport regulations you are as I stated earlier because the carbine is police issued and not subject to the firearms act.

As Fraser said. Departmental policy infraction. Not a crime.

[frizzlefry]

Originally posted by FraserB


Depends on the firearm.

My ATT allows me to transport a firearm for which I am in legal possession of to any approved club or range in the province of Alberta or to international border crossings provided I have the proper US documentation as well. The departure and return points will be a point of storage identified to the CFP by the license holder.

It states that transportation must be reasonably direct. There is no legal definition of reasonable direct and it can include getting gas, picking people up, stopping for food or stopping for the bathroom. All depends on the situation.

By definition, it appears that the officer only broke department policy (if that), not any of the laws relating to firearms.

So....are CPS members allowed to take full auto assault rifles home in the first place? And if so why?

My biggest issue is the searches for it. Yeah the guy goofed, and got busted because his car got broken into, but the reaction of setting up roadblocks and searching everyone is the larger abuse/neglect of responsibility IMO. Not the misguided action of one, but a concerted effort of many. Organized warrantless searches initiated by the department.

[01RedDX]

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[AndyL]

Wow, they just can't win...

No idea if it's related - but when I lived in scenic acres, there were at least 3 ERT(?) members within the dog-walk distance. There were times - you'd see an unmarked suburban come tearing into the neighbourhood to pick someone up.

Rifles aren't squad car material - Squad cars get shotguns no? With a rifle - you're talking tac/ert/swat/asirt/??? - I'm guessing those are assigned as they're sighted in to the individual officer's needs... And probably don't stray far from the officer, on or off shift (I'm guessing they're probably on-call even when off-duty).

Shit happens... Yes, needs better security, no don't need to fire anyone over it. It was bloody midnight at crowfoot crossing - not 9pm on friday night in forest lawn...

[FraserB]

The Colt C8 rifles used by CPS are semi-auto and equipped with an EOTech sight and flashlight, you can get the same setup off the shelf in Canada for about $3,000. The only difference is the standard capacity magazines, but even that is not a big difference as PAL/RPAL holders can legally have semi-auto AR style rifles with a 14+1 capacity.

As for taking them home, it would be internal policy. I know the RCMP is permitted to retain issued duty firearms at their place of residence. So long as they are stored in a responsible manner that takes the safety of others into account, I have no issue with members being allowed to retain custody of their firearms at their homes.


Originally posted by 01RedDX
So is he also exempt from the law requiring that ammo be stored separately?

TBH I am more comfortable with the idea of it being staged and the dumbass losing his job, than with it falling into criminal hands.

You can legally store and transport loaded magazines in the same case as a firearm.

[Sophal]

Originally posted by killramos


None of that info is part of the original Post and story which I was referring to. My guess thaT he had permission was wrong I guess :dunno:

Officer is not subject to the same transport regulations you are as I stated earlier because the carbine is police issued and not subject to the firearms act.

As Fraser said. Departmental policy infraction. Not a crime.

In the press statement the chief stated, off duty officers are subject to the same transport and storage laws civilians are subject to. So your statement is invalid. Depending on the out come off asirt's investigation he could be charged depending on their findings.

[dirtsniffer]

Wonder if they gave him a breathalizer.

[Sugarphreak]

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[redblack]

I really hope he get charged like any other civilian.

[FraserB]

Originally posted by redblack
I really hope he get charged like any other civilian.

What should he be charged with?

[Rat Fink]

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[btimbit]

Originally posted by redblack
I really hope he get charged like any other civilian.

Charged with what? If I get my rifle stolen from my car what would I get charged with?

[redblack]

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[killramos]

Originally posted by Sophal


In the press statement the chief stated, off duty officers are subject to the same transport and storage laws civilians are subject to. So your statement is invalid. Depending on the out come off asirt's investigation he could be charged depending on their findings.

To bad Rick Hanson doesn't get to make up laws.

Here is but one example straight from the firearms act that states police weapons are exempt. My apologies for not going through the entire act and listing each and every time it is stated that police weapons are exempt from the act. I don't have time for that.


Exempted firearms

15. A registration certificate may not be issued for a firearm that is owned by Her Majesty in right of Canada or a province or by a police force.

The only way police officers are subject to the same laws is with their PERSONAL firearms. Which this was not.

[Sophal]

What does registration have to do with safe storage and transport laws?

[FraserB]

It doesn't have a lot to do with storage laws, but there isn't much to show that the firearm wasn't being stored properly in this case. Simply having it stolen from your vehicle does not constitute unsafe storage.

For transport, it is actually impossible for a police officer to transport an issued firearm in complete compliance with the Firearms Act. But in this case, if the rifle met the safe storage requirements, then the vast majority of the transport laws would have been met. The ones not being met would be impossible for the officer to meet and covered under their exemption.

I've also seen nothing stating for a fact that police are prohibited by department policy from taking issued firearms home with them. If there isn't such a policy, there really is no charge that could be brought under the Firearms Act. If there is and he broke it, then there are many things he could be charged with, most notably, possession of a restricted/prohibited firearm while unauthorized, possession of ammunition while unauthorized and possession of a prohibited device and/or possession of a restricted/prohibited firearm knowing its possession is unauthorized.

[Gman.45]

but it is an automatic rifle with full capacity magazines to be fair... A bit different than a civilian long gun.

Not really. In terms of capability, the difference between a full auto capable carbine or rifle is really negligible from a semi auto variant, and this has been demonstrated on various ranges by various shooters in various scenarios over and over again.

So far as the magazine capacity, gimme a break. Anyone with pinned 5 rnd or now 10 if it's an AR pistol mag, or even 15 if it's a Beowolf mag using 556 - I'm sure if they are bent on criminal actions they won't bother taking the 20 seconds required to pop out the pop rivet in their magazine, thus converting it back to full capacity. Yep, I'm sure they'll still comply with mag restrictions when breaking them is so simple.


I for one don't think the officer did anything wrong, he stored the weapon by the book, a locked case, inside a locked vehicle, you can even legally store ammunition in such a case for transport if secured properly. It's not his fault his vehicle was targeted by thieves. Hell, you see cars with long guns mounted near the dash all the time, stealing them isn't rocket science, it's surprising it doesn't occur more often in fact.

I do have a problem with a road block being set up to sweep civilian cars, likely long after the fact, to find it, if that is indeed what was done. An ass covering measure if ever there was one, although sometimes long shots can convert in these cases, but it isn't often.

A CPS officer I used to shoot and compete with and I stopped by the Soldier Shop on 17th ave back in 2003 or so. I kid had just stolen an AR15 off the rack and run for it towards to nearby park. We happened to have a xpolice dog with us (his), and we off leash tracked the guy, and found he had discarded/hid the rifle in a bush. Recovered by fluke, but the odds of getting something like this back any way other than word of mouth is very, very rare. So again, searching civvy vehicles for it seems pretty ridiculous, and more likely to add fuel to the fire, if one was to start.

[kenny]

Originally posted by Gman.45
I do have a problem with a road block being set up to sweep civilian cars, likely long after the fact, to find it, if that is indeed what was done. An ass covering measure if ever there was one, although sometimes long shots can convert in these cases, but it isn't often.

Looks like the CPS has a problem with the searches too.

From the Herald article:
Stuart said he was also made aware of allegations on social media about police canvassing vehicles in the area in a bid to search for clues in the case, which could potentially spark a separate professional standards investigation.

[revelations]

Id be willing to bet the roadblocks were setup as "license or seatbelt checks" (legal) and then the drivers were asked if they could give permission to search their trunks (many criminals are too dumb to hide their stolen shit and leave it in plain sight. )

The CPS and other forces in Canada are well within their rights to do this, but ***cannot DEMAND a search*** of the vehicle without probable cause.

Containment/Roadblocks are also setup to catch people fleeing the scene of a crime (same thing), not sure why this got blown up so much UNLESS someones section 8 of the CRF was violated.


Comment from Reddit user who went through a block:


[–]HyperPyrexiaNorthwest Calgary 17 points 1 day ago

As someone who went through this blockade, search, VIOLATION OF MERICA! I gotta say, at no time was the search "demanded" or forced.

You know what the officer did say "We're checking trunks in this location, can I check yours?". It was a 20 second visual check, he didn't rip up my spare tire and I was gone to sleep off the evening shift. As someone who lives in the community, I think the police had a reasonable notion that WHATEVER they were looking for was likely still in the area, a full parking lot, half of the size of a football field.

The way my girlfriend describe it is that the rolled up quickly and established the roadblocks, and then another cruiser went to Shanks. My girlfriend didn't see anyone arrested, ripped out of their vehicle, police planting cocaine, smashing tail lights, or anything else, as has been suggest as things that could happen.

[frizzlefry]

Originally posted by revelations
Id be willing to be the roadblocks were setup as "license or seatbelt checks" (legal) and then the drivers were asked if they could give permission to search their trunks (many criminals are too dumb to hide their stolen shit and leave it in plain sight. )

The CPS and other forces in Canada are well within their rights to do this, but ***cannot DEMAND a search*** of the vehicle without probable cause.

Containment/Roadblocks are also setup to catch people fleeing the scene of a crime (same thing), not sure why this got blown up so much UNLESS someones section 8 of the CRF was violated.




It's not so much that they set up roadblocks and did searches, its the why that bothers me. How often is this done for other crimes that didn't involve a CPS officer being stupid?

[revelations]

Its done all the time, known as "containment". If you spend time in the NE, this is a regular occurrence :rofl:

For eg, robbery suspect is the loose in a neighbourhood - the CPS cordon off a few blocks, stop and check all vehicles (only looking at vehicle interior through glass) outbound of containment.

[Sugarphreak]

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[FraserB]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Don't you end up getting threatened with detainment if you refuse a request for a voluntary search? :dunno:

My biggest concern would be a cop pawing around my guns, which are generally nicer than CPS issue and are not treated as a tool. That and ignorance of the law.

[schurchill39]

I thought there was a really bizarre police presence on Saturday night. I figured they were just doing regular check stops because it was a long weekend. This makes sense though

[revelations]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Don't you end up getting threatened with detainment if you refuse a request for a voluntary search? :dunno:

Comment from Reddit user who went through the block last weekend:


[–]HyperPyrexiaNorthwest Calgary 17 points 1 day ago

As someone who went through this blockade, search, VIOLATION OF MERICA! I gotta say, at no time was the search "demanded" or forced.

You know what the officer did say "We're checking trunks in this location, can I check yours?". It was a 20 second visual check, he didn't rip up my spare tire and I was gone to sleep off the evening shift. As someone who lives in the community, I think the police had a reasonable notion that WHATEVER they were looking for was likely still in the area, a full parking lot, half of the size of a football field.

The way my girlfriend describe it is that the rolled up quickly and established the roadblocks, and then another cruiser went to Shanks. My girlfriend didn't see anyone arrested, ripped out of their vehicle, police planting cocaine, smashing tail lights, or anything else, as has been suggest as things that could happen.

[rage2]

I guess I missed out on all the action. I was at Shanks that night, but was so exhausted that I left about 10 mins before all this went down.

[frizzlefry]

I read another post where the guy said "I'm not comfortable with a search but you can look through the windows". The CPS spent 30 seconds shining their lights into the car and sent him on his way. Harmless right?

BUT. Obviously if they had happened to snare the thief and asked to open his truck he would have said no. If the intent of the CPS was to say "sure, no problem" to anyone that said no to the search than the entire operation was useless to begin with. Why bother then unless you intended on pushing the issue with a guy who said "no" and also appeared to rub them the wrong way or otherwise seemed off. Like those videos from the states when guys be all "'merica!" when snagged in a checkstop and end up getting arrested or detained simply because they were lippy about their rights.

The very fact they did this implies that they would have not taken "no" as an answer for at least some people. Like I said, if the CPS wasn't willing to push the issue with a "no" then the entire thing was pointless. They were obviously ready to detain someone because they happened to be in the area. Had they had a description or something more exact they wouldn't have asked to search everyone.

I doubt the "happens all the time, nothing to see here" argument as this particular search blew up on social media and the others that apparently happen do so without fan-fair. There was something unique about this. It was not business as usual.

[ercchry]

Originally posted by rage2
I guess I missed out on all the action. I was at Shanks that night, but was so exhausted that I left about 10 mins before all this went down.

well, think we just found suspect #1 :rofl:

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by frizzlefry
I read another post where the guy said "I'm not comfortable with a search but you can look through the windows". The CPS spent 30 seconds shining their lights into the car and sent him on his way. Harmless right?

BUT. Obviously if they had happened to snare the thief and asked to open his truck he would have said no. If the intent of the CPS was to say "sure, no problem" to anyone that said no to the search than the entire operation was useless to begin with. Why bother then unless you intended on pushing the issue with a guy who said "no" and also appeared to rub them the wrong way or otherwise seemed off. Like those videos from the states when guys be all "'merica!" when snagged in a checkstop and end up getting arrested or detained simply because they were lippy about their rights.

The very fact they did this implies that they would have not taken "no" as an answer for at least some people. Like I said, if the CPS wasn't willing to push the issue with a "no" then the entire thing was pointless. They were obviously ready to detain someone because they happened to be in the area. Had they had a description or something more exact they wouldn't have asked to search everyone.

I doubt the "happens all the time, nothing to see here" argument as this particular search blew up on social media and the others that apparently happen do so without fan-fair. There was something unique about this. It was not business as usual.

I really think you're making more of this than there is. Their actions probably indicate a desire to say they did something, than it does any type of nefarious activity.

When CPS is asked how the situation was handled the optics of "We setup a containment perimeter in an attempt to locate the firearm" sounds a lot better than "Nothing"

In situations like this usually the underlying scenario is one of incompetence, nothing more.

[frizzlefry]

Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


I really think you're making more of this than there is. Their actions probably indicate a desire to say they did something, than it does any type of nefarious activity.

When CPS is asked how the situation was handled the optics of "We setup a containment perimeter in an attempt to locate the firearm" sounds a lot better than "Nothing"

In situations like this usually the underlying scenario is one of incompetence, nothing more.

Say you are right (and you very well could be) it's worse IMO.

Scenario a) CPS setup a perimeter, unusual enough to make waves, in order to track down a firearm and were willing to detain people in the interest of public safety

Ok, not "good" but at least somewhat understandable despite a heavy handed approach. The officer really shouldn't have had the weapon in his car though...shitty police work.

Scenario b) CPS setup a perimeter and challenged citizen's rights to save face after one of their members fucked up. They never had any realistic expectations but it looked good.

Option B is WORSE man.

[heavyfuel]

Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


How does bringing more attention to the situation help to "cover it up" exactly? I see what your saying but I don't see any attempt to cover anything up here.

Inside job. Maybe he was a fuckup cop and higher up brass wanted to get rid of him They knew he had the rifle, sent a mule in to "steal" it, shut down an entire parking lot to create a big public spectacle when in reality, the rifle was long gone by then. Even the dumbest cop knows a thief isn't hanging around the scene too long. He or she would be halfway to Midnapore by the time they mobilized that kind of police presence, I was there and it was heavy. You would think they'd keep it quiet so they could watch their local known suspects move around and hopefully catch them trying to fence the thing, rather than having them shut it down until the heat's off.

[frizzlefry]

Originally posted by heavyfuel


Inside job. Maybe he was a fuckup cop and higher up brass wanted to get rid of him They knew he had the rifle, sent a mule in to "steal" it, shut down an entire parking lot to create a big public spectacle when in reality, the rifle was long gone by then. Even the dumbest cop knows a thief isn't hanging around the scene too long. He or she would be halfway to Midnapore by the time they mobilized that kind of police presence, I was there and it was heavy. You would think they'd keep it quiet so they could watch their local known suspects move around and hopefully catch them trying to fence the thing, rather than having them shut it down until the heat's off.

I'm not subscribing to an inside job theory or anything. I'm paranoid but not that paranoid :) But I do think the timing of events does indicate an attempted "cover-up". Or at least an attempt to nip it in the bud fast.

So the weapon gets nicked. You are right, they guy would be gone ASAP (he knows what he has) and by the time they setup roadblocks and searches hes gone. But maybe, just maybe, they find the guy by setting up the roadblocks. If that worked then there is no immediate need to contact the media. They have the weapon, crisis averted and maybe the news hears about it a month from now after the documents involving the process exist and the PR has been setup to mitigate the issue in the media.

So they tried. But they didn't get the guy. It was a long shot, innocent people were put in a position where they had to choose to exercise their rights or not and it made social media. Now the CPS is in a pickle. So plan A failed now we go to plan B. The media. Show images of the weapon, make it the hottest potato in Alberta. No one wants to touch it now. Side effect is that now the media knows what happened.

But had they chosen the highest probability of success (contacting the media right away because the guy is obviously long gone) by 6am that rifle would be on the morning news and unsalable. But because the CPS chose a "cover our asses" approach first the guy who stole it had 20 hours to sell it before it became the most undesirable gun in the province.

Hence, IMO, they executed that roadblock to try and cover ass. The morning news had nothing about it. Really want it back? Release to the media making the weapon really unattractive AND do the roadblock just in case. They aimed for the best case scenario for CPS. Not the best case scenario for the public.

[revelations]

Originally posted by frizzlefry

BUT. Obviously if they had happened to snare the thief and asked to open his truck he would have said no.

You dont know how dumb people are. Many are caught with stolen shit, in plain sight, at containment road blocks.

[heavyfuel]

Originally posted by frizzlefry


I'm not subscribing to an inside job theory or anything. I'm paranoid but not that paranoid :)

How about if the whole theft was staged right from the start, and actually not a theft at all, just to give police a reason to lock down a suspect location and do a cursory search on every vehicle leaving the area in order to follow up on credible intel that a t***t attack was being planned and that related materials were changing hands at that time and place.

How's that for paranoid?

[beyond_ban]

Originally posted by heavyfuel


How about if the whole theft was staged right from the start, and actually not a theft at all, just to give police a reason to lock down a suspect location and do a cursory search on every vehicle leaving the area in order to follow up on credible intel that a t***t attack was being planned and that related materials were changing hands at that time and place.

How's that for paranoid?

If this is your second level of paranoia, I really want to see your third.

[GTS4tw]

Originally posted by heavyfuel


How about if the whole theft was staged right from the start, and actually not a theft at all, just to give police a reason to lock down a suspect location and do a cursory search on every vehicle leaving the area in order to follow up on credible intel that a t***t attack was being planned and that related materials were changing hands at that time and place.

How's that for paranoid?

Why did you bank out the word terrorist? Are you afraid "they" will read it?

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by frizzlefry


Say you are right (and you very well could be) it's worse IMO.

Scenario a) CPS setup a perimeter, unusual enough to make waves, in order to track down a firearm and were willing to detain people in the interest of public safety

Ok, not "good" but at least somewhat understandable despite a heavy handed approach. The officer really shouldn't have had the weapon in his car though...shitty police work.

Scenario b) CPS setup a perimeter and challenged citizen's rights to save face after one of their members fucked up. They never had any realistic expectations but it looked good.

Option B is WORSE man.

It's all bad.

I'm just suggesting that in situations like this the truth is often not all that complicated.

Maybe I'm just naive but this sounds like a boat load of incompetence not a conspiracy.

[heavyfuel]

Originally posted by GTS4tw


Why did you bank out the word terrorist? Are you afraid "they" will read it?

"They" have already read it.

[frizzlefry]

*bump*

Oppsie doodles!

CPS also lost a notebook containing private information (http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/police-notifying-hundreds-of-people-about-potential-privacy-breach)

So along with the gun the CPS officer had a notebook containing pages of personal information and case notes. That's missing now. Contained info on about 400 people.

That shit is allowed to be contained in a notebook?? 400 people? I get it, notebooks are easy but once entered into a secured system they ought to destroy the pages. Jesus.

[Nismorphed]

What do you think the chances are that this guy gets fired?

[Tik-Tok]

Zero percent.

Although his career with CPS is now extremely limited, and he should start thinking of another one to get into.

[firebane]

Originally posted by frizzlefry
*bump*

Oppsie doodles!

CPS also lost a notebook containing private information (http://calgaryherald.com/news/crime/police-notifying-hundreds-of-people-about-potential-privacy-breach)

So along with the gun the CPS officer had a notebook containing pages of personal information and case notes. That's missing now. Contained info on about 400 people.

That shit is allowed to be contained in a notebook?? 400 people? I get it, notebooks are easy but once entered into a secured system they ought to destroy the pages. Jesus.

I can't speak on how CPS doesn't their laptops but I know for the City of Calgary any laptop has disk encryption enabled and if you don't connect TO the city network after a alloted time you can't log into the system.

Too many incorrect login attemps will also result in the unit being completely disabled.

[Mibz]

Not a notebook computer. An actual notebook. That you write in.

[The_Penguin]

Sounds like paper notebooks, as I can't imagine he'd have multiple computers in the car, though they really should clarify.

The Calgary Police Service is seeking public assistance in locating five Service-issued notebooks stolen from the car of an off-duty officer in April.

On Saturday, April 4, 2015, an off-duty police officer was the victim of a car prowling, which included the theft of a police-issue patrol rifle, as well as notebooks used by the member to record details of the officer’s on-duty interactions with the public.

The rifle and its case were recovered, however, the notebooks remain unaccounted for. Anyone with information about the whereabouts of the notebooks or the theft, is asked to contact police.

[frizzlefry]

Originally posted by firebane


I can't speak on how CPS doesn't their laptops but I know for the City of Calgary any laptop has disk encryption enabled and if you don't connect TO the city network after a alloted time you can't log into the system.

Too many incorrect login attemps will also result in the unit being completely disabled.

Umm not a notebook computer. Like an actual notebook. Like with paper. And a binding. Marked with pen. The kind you draw French whores in when traveling the seas in the 1930s.

[firebane]

Yeah that makes sense now and this is something that police AND security guards carry and when they tell you to hold on to it like your holy bible they aren't joking!

[zieg]

So toss them in the trunk beside the assault rifle and grab some chow, cuz YOLO n shit

[95EagleAWD]

Yeah my notebook never leaves either my pocket, my hands, or my locker. It never comes home or anything.

[revelations]

WHats next? The CPS will come out and say a laptop has been stolen too :dunno:

Were they hoping the notepad was going to be magically found or something?

Honestly, most notepads are such a mess of writing / format that it would be pretty tough for the average car prowler to figure it out. Lots of shorthand etc.

It is meant for the officer to jog their memory if it comes to that - not really for anyone else' eyes (unless discovery requested).

[zieg]

So why was he carrying five of them?

[Sugarphreak]

...

[lilmira]

Did he lose his ghostbuster lunchbox treasure chest too?

orFw3vlif8I

[dirtsniffer]

So they found the rifle then?

[FraserB]

Originally posted by dirtsniffer
So they found the rifle then?

Couple of weeks ago.

[toastgremlin]

Originally posted by revelations
Honestly, most notepads are such a mess of writing / format that it would be pretty tough for the average car prowler to figure it out. Lots of shorthand etc.

It is meant for the officer to jog their memory if it comes to that - not really for anyone else' eyes (unless discovery requested). Yeah, if I were a cop the perp would start rooting through their sweet identity theft haul to find a lot of confused notes about which Mooneyes cross-ram manifold is the best.

Maybe some drawings of dicks.

[jonsey737]

No charges for officer: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/charge-rifle-police-officer-1.3409118

[revelations]

Rumour is that it was either a practical joke/inside job.

[FraserB]

Originally posted by jonsey737
No charges for officer: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/charge-rifle-police-officer-1.3409118

Probably because he didn't break the law:dunno: