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rx7boi
04-08-2015, 12:52 PM
Surprised no one posted this yet...glad it was caught on camera.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/08/us/south-carolina-officer-is-charged-with-murder-in-black-mans-death.html?_r=0



WASHINGTON — A white police officer in North Charleston, S.C., was charged with murder on Tuesday after a video surfaced showing him shooting in the back and killing an apparently unarmed black man while the man ran away.

The officer, Michael T. Slager, 33, said he had feared for his life because the man had taken his stun gun in a scuffle after a traffic stop on Saturday. A video, however, shows the officer firing eight times as the man, Walter L. Scott, 50, fled. The North Charleston mayor announced the state charges at a news conference Tuesday evening.

The shooting came on the heels of high-profile instances of police officers’ using lethal force in New York, Cleveland, Ferguson, Mo., and elsewhere. The deaths have set off a national debate over whether the police are too quick to use force, particularly in cases involving black men.

A White House task force has recommended a host of changes to the nation’s police policies, and President Obama sent Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to cities around the country to try to improve police relations with minority neighborhoods.

North Charleston is South Carolina’s third-largest city, with a population of about 100,000. African-Americans make up about 47 percent of residents, and whites account for about 37 percent. The Police Department is about 80 percent white, according to data collected by the Justice Department in 2007, the most recent period available.

“When you’re wrong, you’re wrong,” Mayor Keith Summey said during the news conference. “And if you make a bad decision, don’t care if you’re behind the shield or just a citizen on the street, you have to live by that decision.”

The shooting unfolded after Officer Slager stopped the driver of a Mercedes-Benz with a broken taillight, according to police reports. Mr. Scott ran away, and Officer Slager chased him into a grassy lot that abuts a muffler shop. He fired his Taser, an electronic stun gun, but it did not stop Mr. Scott, according to police reports.

Moments after the struggle, Officer Slager reported on his radio: “Shots fired and the subject is down. He took my Taser,” according to police reports.

But the video, which was taken by a bystander and provided to The New York Times by the Scott family’s lawyer, presents a different account. The video begins in the vacant lot, apparently moments after Officer Slager fired his Taser. Wires, which carry the electrical current from the stun gun, appear to be extending from Mr. Scott’s body as the two men tussle and Mr. Scott turns to run.

Something — it is not clear whether it is the stun gun — is either tossed or knocked to the ground behind the two men, and Officer Slager draws his gun, the video shows. When the officer fires, Mr. Scott appears to be 15 to 20 feet away and fleeing. He falls after the last of eight shots.

The officer then runs back toward where the initial scuffle occurred and picks something up off the ground. Moments later, he drops an object near Mr. Scott’s body, the video shows.
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The South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, the state’s criminal investigative body, has begun an inquiry into the shooting. The F.B.I. and the Justice Department, which has opened a string of civil rights investigations into police departments under Mr. Holder, is also investigating.

The Supreme Court has held that an officer may use deadly force against a fleeing suspect only when there is probable cause that the suspect “poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.”

Officer Slager served in the Coast Guard before joining the force five years ago, his lawyer said. The police chief of North Charleston did not return repeated calls. Because police departments are not required to release data on how often officers use force, it was not immediately clear how often police shootings occurred in North Charleston, a working-class community adjacent to the tourist destination of Charleston.

Mr. Scott had been arrested about 10 times, mostly for failing to pay child support or show up for court hearings, according to The Post and Courier newspaper of Charleston. He was arrested in 1987 on an assault and battery charge and convicted in 1991 of possession of a bludgeon, the newspaper reported. Mr. Scott’s brother, Anthony, said he believed Mr. Scott had fled from the police on Saturday because he owed child support.

“He has four children; he doesn’t have some type of big violent past or arrest record,” said Chris Stewart, a lawyer for Mr. Scott’s family. “He had a job; he was engaged. He had back child support and didn’t want to go to jail for back child support.”

Mr. Stewart said the coroner had told him that Mr. Scott was struck five times — three times in the back, once in the upper buttocks and once in the ear — with at least one bullet entering his heart. It is not clear whether Mr. Scott died immediately. (The coroner’s office declined to make the report available to The Times.)

Police reports say that officers performed CPR and delivered first aid to Mr. Scott. The video shows that for several minutes after the shooting, Mr. Scott remained face down with his hands cuffed behind his back. A second officer arrives, puts on blue medical gloves and attends to Mr. Scott, but is not shown performing CPR. As sirens wail in the background, a third officer later arrives, apparently with a medical kit, but is also not seen performing CPR.

The debate over police use of force has been propelled in part by videos like the one in South Carolina. In January, prosecutors in Albuquerque charged two police officers with murder for shooting a homeless man in a confrontation that was captured by an officer’s body camera. Federal prosecutors are investigating the death of Eric Garner, who died last year in Staten Island after a police officer put him in a chokehold, an episode that a bystander captured on video. A video taken in Cleveland shows the police shooting a 12-year-old boy, Tamir Rice, who was carrying a fake gun in a park. A White House policing panel recommended that police departments put more video cameras on their officers.

Mr. Scott’s brother said his mother had called him on Saturday, telling him that his brother had been shot by a Taser after a traffic stop. “You may need to go over there and see what’s going on,” he said his mother told him. When he arrived at the scene of the shooting, officers told him that his brother was dead, but he said they had no explanation for why. “This just doesn’t sound right,” he said in an interview. “How do you lose your life at a traffic stop?”

Anthony Scott said he last saw his brother three weeks ago at a family oyster roast. “We hadn’t hung out like that in such a long time,” Mr. Scott said. “He kept on saying over and over again how great it was.”

At the roast, Mr. Scott got to do two of the things he enjoyed most: tell jokes and dance. When one of Mr. Scott’s favorite songs was played, he got excited. “He jumped up and said, ‘That’s my song,’ and he danced like never before,” his brother said.

Seth1968
04-08-2015, 01:05 PM
Police testimony full of lies.

For every one of these incidences, I bet there are thousands more that aren't caught on video.

eglove
04-08-2015, 01:07 PM
So fucked up

J.M.
04-08-2015, 01:42 PM
This seems to be happening a lot lately.. or was just never reported as much as it was before

CD007
04-08-2015, 05:13 PM
Police are becoming as scary as the "bad guys"

zipdoa
04-08-2015, 05:23 PM
Follow VICE News and you'll hear tons of stories like this.

Tik-Tok
04-08-2015, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by zipdoa
Follow VICE News and you'll hear tons of stories like this.

There's always a lot of news, but never any evidence. Cops aren't the only liars down south.

M.alex
04-08-2015, 06:31 PM
he shouldn't have run. if you start to flee and get shot, it's your own fault.

revelations
04-08-2015, 06:33 PM
Cops in America are allowed to shoot at fleeing, dangerous criminals (eg. armed murderer)..... but not in this case !!!

GTS4tw
04-08-2015, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by zipdoa
Follow VICE News and you'll hear tons of stories like this.

VICE is even more full of shit than the naacp.

rx7_turbo2
04-08-2015, 06:54 PM
I don't know the background, but from the video alone this looks pretty messed up.

There are situations the black community should be upset about. Trayvon Martin was not one, Michael Brown was not one, Eric Garner was not one, this looks like it might be.

heavyfuel
04-08-2015, 07:02 PM
That disturbed me big time when I saw that vid. A real cop in shape the way a cop should be would have had no problem running down tackling and handcuffing an unarmed unfit man. Soon as they get the badge it's back on the unhealthy diet, who needs to run when you can shoot, right? 'Murica. Fucked right up.

C_Dave45
04-08-2015, 07:04 PM
I especially liked his testimony that the guy "took my taser"...and then you can see him go back to where he was shooting from, pick something up and then casually drop it right beside the black guy.

Skidro
04-08-2015, 07:15 PM
Dead cop walking

Arash Boodagh
04-08-2015, 07:21 PM
Look at the gay run he made before getting shot... it was to avoid being tased then to flee IMHO.

J.M.
04-08-2015, 07:29 PM
He was denied bail

rx7boi
04-08-2015, 08:07 PM
Originally posted by M.alex
he shouldn't have run. if you start to flee and get shot, it's your own fault.

Regardless of what you think people should do or not do, people still have the right not to be gunned down in particular instances like this.

I don't know why he ran either but your stance seems a bit too apathetic IMO.

There is something very wrong, especially when police are not giving legit testimonies.

rx7boi
04-08-2015, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by Tik-Tok


There's always a lot of news, but never any evidence. Cops aren't the only liars down south.

Exactly this. Only reason someone might need to fess up in this case is because now it's on camera.

Canucks3322
04-08-2015, 08:11 PM
Someone mentioned him running... Think about this if you were his situation in this day and age wouldn't you be afraid of a murderous cop too maybe this guy truely believed that running was his only hope of not being murdered by this cop?

Tik-Tok
04-08-2015, 08:13 PM
Originally posted by Canucks3322
Someone mentioned him running... Think about this if you were his situation in this day and age wouldn't you be afraid of a murderous cop too maybe this guy truely believed that running was his only hope of not being murdered by this cop?

His sister said he likely ran because he didn't want to go to jail, on his warrant for not paying child support. It was a traffic stop, not a drug bust.

GTS4tw
04-08-2015, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by Canucks3322
Someone mentioned him running... Think about this if you were his situation in this day and age wouldn't you be afraid of a murderous cop too maybe this guy truely believed that running was his only hope of not being murdered by this cop?

Good grief. :banghead: I hope you are being sarcastic.

smokedog
04-08-2015, 08:28 PM
Originally posted by rx7_turbo2
There are situations the black community should be upset about. Trayvon Martin was not one, Michael Brown was not one, Eric Garner was not one, this looks like it might be.

They should be angry about all of them - no one needs to die.

All the situations you mentioned above are interconnected & interrelated to the current situation - it's embedded in the culture & social fabric of American. Glad, they caught this on tape. Darren Wilson should be arrested too. He should be in jail - that fu@$er killed a kid

googe
04-08-2015, 08:33 PM
Shoots him, then tries to plant the taser, then falsifies the police report with his fellow officers, which claimed that the guy went for his taser and that they gave CPR. CPR wouldn't have mattered, but it goes to show what kind of integrity is just second nature to that crew.

01RedDX
04-08-2015, 08:34 PM
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rx7_turbo2
04-08-2015, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by smokedog


They should be angry about all of them - no one needs to die.

All the situations you mentioned above are interconnected & interrelated to the current situation - it's embedded in the culture & social fabric of American. Glad, they caught this on tape. Darren Wilson should be arrested too. He should be in jail - that fu@$er killed a kid

:facepalm:

Trayvon Martin wasn't killed by a police officer. The evidence showed he was killed in self defence by a neighbourhood watch member. Florida's stand your ground law is clear.

The evidence in the Michael Brown case was fairly definitive as well. The 6'4" 300lbs "kid" was killed when he attacked an officer during an altercation after assaulting a store clerk and robbing his store.

Eric Garner resisted arrest and while the actions of the officer contributed to his death, asthma, heart disease, and obesity were also factors. Ultimately a Grand Jury including 5 members who identified as African Americans determined the actions of the officer were not unreasonable and decided not to indict.

So I'll say this again. The above 3 cases and this latest one are NOT comparable. Trying to paint them with one brush is irresponsible and does nothing but perpetuate an ever increasing racial divide.

Thales of Miletus
04-08-2015, 09:38 PM
American police seem to have a script.

He went for my gun. I felt like my life was in danger. I had no choice but to shoot.

How many times has this happened where the cops were not on Camera?

Thales of Miletus
04-08-2015, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


:facepalm:

Trayvon Martin wasn't killed by a police officer. The evidence showed he was killed in self defence by a neighbourhood watch member. Florida's stand your ground law is clear.

Trayvon Martin was murdered by a nut.


Originally posted by rx7_turbo2
The evidence in the Michael Brown case was fairly definitive as well. The 6'4" 300lbs "kid" was killed when he attacked an officer during an altercation after assaulting a store clerk and robbing his store.

The store never file a complaint, so who knows what the disagreement was about. The city of Ferguson had a habit of harassing blacks in the community. And issuing citations for walking in a particular way. I believe Brown was also murdered.


Originally posted by rx7_turbo2
Eric Garner resisted arrest and while the actions of the officer contributed to his death, asthma, heart disease, and obesity were also factors. Ultimately a Grand Jury including 5 members who identified as African Americans determined the actions of the officer were not unreasonable and decided not to indict.

Eric Garner was selling loose cigarettes. Some hero cop decided he deserved to die for that.

Originally posted by rx7_turbo2
So I'll say this again. The above 3 cases and this latest one are NOT comparable. Trying to paint them with one brush is irresponsible and does nothing but perpetuate an ever increasing racial divide.

The three cases are completely comparable. They demonstrate that black people can be profiled and killed.

Gripenfelter
04-08-2015, 09:54 PM
Cop should have tackled him.

The lesson to be learned here is: Never run away from a lazy cop. :nut:

Robin Goodfellow
04-08-2015, 10:18 PM
Well, I'm sure we don't know everything about this situation, or the person who was shot, and I'm sure this was fully justified based upon the details that we do not know.

:rofl:

RIP to the poor bastard.

sexualbanana
04-08-2015, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by rx7_turbo2

Eric Garner resisted arrest and while the actions of the officer contributed to his death, asthma, heart disease, and obesity were also factors. Ultimately a Grand Jury including 5 members who identified as African Americans determined the actions of the officer were not unreasonable and decided not to indict.


He resisted arrest, but the chokehold that the police officer used is considered to be a lethal maneuver and should therefore only be used in situations where the officer's life was considered to be in danger. By that definition, use of the chokehold by a police officer is considered to be on the same level as use of the officer's firearm.

rx7_turbo2
04-08-2015, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by sexualbanana


He resisted arrest, but the chokehold that the police officer used is considered to be a lethal maneuver and should therefore only be used in situations where the officer's life was considered to be in danger. By that definition, use of the chokehold by a police officer is considered to be on the same level as use of the officer's firearm. You should have let the Grand Jury know.

There is a difference between a guy who dies because he resists arrest and an officers chokehold combined with a number of preexisting conditions is the cause, and a guy shot in the back while running away slowly.

smokedog
04-08-2015, 11:01 PM
Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


:facepalm:

Trayvon Martin wasn't killed by a police officer. The evidence showed he was killed in self defence by a neighbourhood watch member. Florida's stand your ground law is clear.

The evidence in the Michael Brown case was fairly definitive as well. The 6'4" 300lbs "kid" was killed when he attacked an officer during an altercation after assaulting a store clerk and robbing his store.

Eric Garner resisted arrest and while the actions of the officer contributed to his death, asthma, heart disease, and obesity were also factors. Ultimately a Grand Jury including 5 members who identified as African Americans determined the actions of the officer were not unreasonable and decided not to indict.

So I'll say this again. The above 3 cases and this latest one are NOT comparable. Trying to paint them with one brush is irresponsible and does nothing but perpetuate an ever increasing racial divide.

Your :facepalm: is an illustration of cognitive dissonance. The reason: you agree this case is inhumane. It took a video for you to recognize the inhumanity. I'm absolutely certain, if a video was not available for this case, you would one of many individuals blaming the victim & supporting the murderer (this cop, Darren Wilson,etc). You don't want to recognize the embedded, horrific, racist tendencies these murderous being hold.

All these cases, plus many others are interrelated. It's finally taking a video to recognize this. I want to state this again, you, like many others, without a video would have supported the officer's side of the story, therefore supporting him.

This is an good article- what the cops released after the shooting http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/04/07/3644189/everything-police-said-walter-scotts-death-video-showed-really-happened/

"But what was particularly remarkable in this case was, for at least two days, Slager was apparently unaware that video of the entire incident existed."

"Slager — using the both the police department and his attorney — was able to provide his “version” of the events. He appeared well on his way to avoiding charges and pinning the blame on Scott."

"Police in a matter of hours declared the occurrence at the corner of Remount and Craig roads a traffic stop gone wrong, alleging the dead man fought with an officer over his Taser before deadly force was employed."

"Slager “felt threatened and reached for his department-issued firearm and fired his weapon,” his attorney added."

"If the video had not surfaced, that’s where the story might have ended. In nearly all cases where an officer fires a weapon, that is the end of the story."

This story sounds familiar...Darren Wilson

To reiterate, you plus others would believe slager's story if the video didn't surface - cognitive dissonance

rx7_turbo2
04-08-2015, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by smokedog


Your :facepalm: is an illustration of cognitive dissonance. The reason: you agree this case is inhumane. It took a video for you to recognize the inhumanity. I'm absolutely certain, if a video was not available for this case, you would one of many individuals blaming the victim & supporting the murderer (this cop, Darren Wilson,etc). You don't want to recognize the embedded, horrific, racist tendencies these murderous being hold.

All these cases, plus many others are interrelated. It's finally taking a video to recognize this. I want to state this again, you, like many others, without a video would have supported the officer's side of the story, therefore supporting him.

This is an good article- what the cops released after the shooting http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/04/07/3644189/everything-police-said-walter-scotts-death-video-showed-really-happened/

"But what was particularly remarkable in this case was, for at least two days, Slager was apparently unaware that video of the entire incident existed."

"Slager — using the both the police department and his attorney — was able to provide his “version” of the events. He appeared well on his way to avoiding charges and pinning the blame on Scott."

"Police in a matter of hours declared the occurrence at the corner of Remount and Craig roads a traffic stop gone wrong, alleging the dead man fought with an officer over his Taser before deadly force was employed."

"Slager “felt threatened and reached for his department-issued firearm and fired his weapon,” his attorney added."

"If the video had not surfaced, that’s where the story might have ended. In nearly all cases where an officer fires a weapon, that is the end of the story."

This story sounds familiar...Darren Wilson

To reiterate, you plus others would believe slager's story if the video didn't surface - cognitive dissonance One kind of important thing you're missing. The evidence in the Brown case supported officer Wilson's account. The evidence in this case would not have supported the officers account.

Now to your point of cognitive dissonance. I only feel this way because a video exists? A video exists for the Eric Garner death and my stance has been consistent. I'm capable of looking at each situation separately and objectively based on the evidence as we know it. So what's better? A wait and see till evidence comes to light, rational approach. Or an OMG must be racism knee jerk reaction.

J.M.
04-08-2015, 11:18 PM
I agree with smokedog.. If the video was never around most people including myself would probably have blamed the victim. "Why are you running from the cops if you didn't do anything wrong?"

This is just straight fucked up..

George Zimmerman has been arrested a couple times for assault since his acquittal for the Trayvon incident, something's wrong with that guy.

rx7_turbo2
04-09-2015, 04:18 AM
Originally posted by J.M.
I agree with smokedog.. If the video was never around most people including myself would probably have blamed the victim. "Why are you running from the cops if you didn't do anything wrong?"

This is just straight fucked up..

George Zimmerman has been arrested a couple times for assault since his acquittal for the Trayvon incident, something's wrong with that guy.

Either way massive assumptions are being made. Without a video people hear that a white cop shot a black man and assume that it must be racially motivated and that the black man is the victim. Or they assume the "why would you run from the cops" the black man must have done something opinion.

Smokedog mentioned me specifically, but I've tried very hard not to make either of those assumptions when discussing these incidents.

George Zimmerman is a piece of shit. However in that case I tried to withold judgement till I heard the evidence when the trial was being aired. Once you heard the testimony from experts regarding the physical evidence it was easy to come to a conclusion. Zimmerman was legally allowed to carry a weapon and under the right circumstance use it to protect his life. Trayvon Martins actions created that circumstance. Fucking stupid, but not Zimmermans fault, Floridas laws are beyond ridiculous.

In the Brown case I tried a similar approach. I kept an open mind. However once credible eye witness testimony reached the media it became apparent that at the very least Brown had approached Wilson and that an altercation took place at the officers car, a fact the physical evidence would eventually support.

Without a video how would I have reacted in this case? Tough to say because there is one. But I had heard of this story before the video was released and managed to withold my judgement like I have in previous cases waiting for more evidence to come to light. Thankfully more did and hopefully this officer will be held accountable.

rx7boi
04-09-2015, 08:21 AM
This is such a crazy story.

I hope this cop gets nailed to the wall for this.

sexualbanana
04-09-2015, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by rx7_turbo2
You should have let the Grand Jury know.

There is a difference between a guy who dies because he resists arrest and an officers chokehold combined with a number of preexisting conditions is the cause, and a guy shot in the back while running away slowly.

I don't think any of them are on beyond.

frizzlefry
04-09-2015, 05:56 PM
http://i.imgur.com/iUwFU8I.jpg

rx7_turbo2
04-09-2015, 06:10 PM
Originally posted by sexualbanana


I don't think any of them are on beyond.

:thumbsup:

rob the knob
04-10-2015, 06:14 AM
dont resist, don't run. don't deserve to get shot, you must play it smart with the POLICE to not give them any reason to kill you. sad but true.

oh and pay your child support.

clem24
04-10-2015, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by rob the knob
dont resist, don't run. don't deserve to get shot, you must play it smart with the POLICE to not give them any reason to kill you. sad but true.

oh and pay your child support.

WRONG. Not when you have an idiot cop who shoots someone who runs AWAY from you. And then tries to tamper with the scene/evidence and falsify his police report.

Seth1968
04-10-2015, 11:57 AM
Hey Clem, note that he said, "sad but true".

rx7boi
04-10-2015, 12:03 PM
That's no reason to be complacent.

There's a lot of sad but true things in this world but change doesn't come from shrugging your shoulders and bending over.

Seth1968
04-10-2015, 12:17 PM
Originally posted by rx7boi
That's no reason to be complacent.

There's a lot of sad but true things in this world but change doesn't come from shrugging your shoulders and bending over.

So run for office as others have suggested.

Chretian to the Reform party:

They think that they'll come to Ottawa and change things. We'll show them how government is run.

Well, at least he was honest about it.

rx7boi
04-10-2015, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by Seth1968


So run for office as others have suggested.

Chretian to the Reform party:

They think that they'll come to Ottawa and change things. We'll show them how government is run.

Well, at least he was honest about it.

Pretty sure you are confusing your threads now.