New Prentice ad treats Albertans like fools

[Thales of Miletus]

I watched a Prentice commercial tonight and was left thinking wft was that? It was offensive to anyone with a brain.

Albertans have to accept the reality that oil is selling low and do what is necessary to make a better future.

"F" off Prentice. I have been preaching for ten years that a bust was coming and that Alberta was doing nothing to prepare for it.

When I posted such warnings, morons would get all pissy and suggest that the future was sunshine and roses.

The PCs did nothing but sell Albertans out during the boom, and if Albertans actually fall for the new line of crap then Albertans deserve to be treated like asswipe.

[dirtsniffer]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus
I have been preaching for ten years that a bust was coming and that Alberta was doing nothing to prepare for it.

When I posted such warnings, morons would get all pissy and suggest that the future was sunshine and roses. .

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Although I do think that the government needs a good shake up. Government pension reform, reducing management costs in health care. No bullshit 'health care' premium that will go straight into general revenue. I don't know who can deliver on this though.

[HiTempguy1]

The pension system doesn't need to be reformed, there is nothing wrong with it :dunno: knowing this would require operating with facts, not scapegoating the public sector as all the woes of the world.

[dirtsniffer]

Sorry, didn't mean pensions For all public employees. I was referring to the government but it turns out they get some large some of money for rrsp's and not pensions. I would still like public services and government overhead to be cut.

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by dirtsniffer
Sorry, didn't mean pensions For all public employees. I was referring to the government but it turns out they get some large some of money for rrsp's and not pensions. I would still like public services and government overhead to be cut.

I would like to see everyone working. No one should be unemployed unless they are mentally unable.

[ZenOps]

Condescending white old guy? Pretty much normal.

But at least it seems there are now condescending Asian guys, and maybe a condescending hillary soon. Equality afterall.

[whiteout]

So you basically predicted that there would be a downturn in an industry that everyone knows is cyclical. I guess that's an accomplishment of some sort.:dunno:

[Seth1968]

^ It's not as if the PC's didn't know it was cyclical.

[EM2FTL]

Originally posted by dirtsniffer
Sorry, didn't mean pensions For all public employees. I was referring to the government but it turns out they get some large some of money for rrsp's and not pensions.

Wat?

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by EM2FTL


Wat?

By government, he means politicians is what I took away from it.

But yea, tis a bit confusing :dunno:

[dirtsniffer]

haha, ya, could have been clearer. using some instead of sum did not help! But ya, politicians are crooks.

[eblend]

Working in the public sector myself, the pension reforms would not be welcome...for anyone who thinks they are all sunshine and roses....I pay 18% of my salary every bloody month into this pension...Over 12k per year. I have friends making similar $$ and their monthly pay is way higher as they don't get raped by their pension. They tried this pension reform last year, and the proposed changes took all the incentive out of working in the public sector. Unlike what everyone thinks, at least in my company, we don't make as much money as anyone in the industry, so things like pension/flex days/vacation hours are what makes it more comparable. I could easily be making 20k-30k per year more in the industry. A friend of mine's income doubled (lawyer) when she went to work in the industry...going from ~100k to over 200k....I don't know if they are still employed yet with the economy the way it is, but regardless.

And I do agree that we basically lived like no tomorrow and saved very little. Ralph bucks was the stupidest thing that this province ever did...besides Redford

[nicknolte]

Originally posted by eblend
Working in the public sector myself, the pension reforms would not be welcome...for anyone who thinks they are all sunshine and roses....I pay 18% of my salary every bloody month into this pension...Over 12k per year. I have friends making similar $$ and their monthly pay is way higher as they don't get raped by their pension. They tried this pension reform last year, and the proposed changes took all the incentive out of working in the public sector. Unlike what everyone thinks, at least in my company, we don't make as much money as anyone in the industry, so things like pension/flex days/vacation hours are what makes it more comparable. I could easily be making 20k-30k per year more in the industry. A friend of mine's income doubled (lawyer) when she went to work in the industry...going from ~100k to over 200k....I don't know if they are still employed yet with the economy the way it is, but regardless.

And I do agree that we basically lived like no tomorrow and saved very little. Ralph bucks was the stupidest thing that this province ever did...besides Redford

Your friend mirrors my experience as well. I moved to the private sector last year (SCM role) and received a 25% increase in total compensation.

One of my colleagues had two vacant intermediate/senior project manager positions on their team for most of last year because the salary range was too low for the candidates they wanted to hire (experienced PMs without the PMP).

Non-union public positions at places like AHS target 33rd percentile market salary ranges, and even union positions aren't quite at market average salaries.

The sad part is that all these proponents of reducing public sector administrative expenses, most of whom would never even consider working in the public sector, are going to be the first to complain when the quality of services continues to decline due to government's inability to find qualified staff.

[icky2unk]

Originally posted by whiteout
So you basically predicted that there would be a downturn in an industry that everyone knows is cyclical. I guess that's an accomplishment of some sort.:dunno:

Guys Guys, for the next 10 years I am going to predict a BOOM in oil! Call me a genius when it happens.

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by nicknolte


Non-union public positions at places like AHS target 33rd percentile market salary ranges, and even union positions aren't quite at market average salaries.

The sad part is that all these proponents of reducing public sector administrative expenses, most of whom would never even consider working in the public sector, are going to be the first to complain when the quality of services continues to decline due to government's inability to find qualified staff.

It's a balancing act IMO. As eblend alluded to, we get other non-monetary benefits to make up for the lower pay.

I've never said that public employees (union or non-union) get paid too little. I think it is about where it should be, especially considering I personally work 38 hours a week, and get what works out to be 5 weeks of vacation a year (plus all the stats on top of that). I place great value on my personal time; public employees should be the kind of people that have that attitude.

Only way you are getting 1% rich in the public sector is by going into politics :bigpimp:

[Seth1968]

Prentice was interviewed by Rob Taylor about a week ago on CHQR. Prentice basically said that all the other parties are extremists. Following that logic, anyone who votes for a party other than the PC's, is some lunatic extremist.

Now add to that the "look in the mirror comment", and it just goes to show how out of touch this guy is, and also makes you think of the real nasties he mumbles under his breath.

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by icky2unk


Guys Guys, for the next 10 years I am going to predict a BOOM in oil! Call me a genius when it happens.

Why don't we just call you "bitchy princess"?

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[Thales of Miletus]

I spend time helping people that have worse disabilities than myself. Today I took a person to the Capital housing organization so that they could apply for a rent subsidy.

All I can say is Jesus Christ.

Wheel chairs, crutches, guide animal, canes, and disabled person after disabled person waiting in line for help.

Two person working during the entire one hour wait. No benches for the disabled. Just a rope running back and forth for them to stand between.

When I did get the person to the counter, the government worker said it would take six weeks just to put the person on the waiting list. Then perhaps a year for them to get some assistance.

This is the richest province in Canada?

[rizfarmer]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus
I spend time helping people that have worse disabilities than myself. Today I took a person to the Capital housing organization so that they could apply for a rent subsidy.

All I can say is Jesus Christ.

Wheel chairs, crutches, guide animal, canes, and disabled person after disabled person waiting in line for help.

Two person working during the entire one hour wait. No benches for the disabled. Just a rope running back and forth for them to stand between.

When I did get the person to the counter, the government worker said it would take six weeks just to put the person on the waiting list. Then perhaps a year for them to get some assistance.

This is the richest province in Canada?

And still not socialist.

[msommers]

I'd like for the PCs to be out if only to show them that Alberta can actually stop drinking their kool aid, if only for a little while anyways.

[sexualbanana]

Originally posted by whiteout
So you basically predicted that there would be a downturn in an industry that everyone knows is cyclical. I guess that's an accomplishment of some sort.:dunno:

I think his argument is that, as you say, everyone knows it's cyclical and that the way money was being spent, it was going to hurt when there's a downturn.

Sort of like how everyone criticizes people who work in o&g who overextend themselves, and then get totally hooped when oil tanks for an extended period of time. They're spending like it'll go on forever with no contingency.

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by sexualbanana


I think his argument is that, as you say, everyone knows it's cyclical and that the way money was being spent, it was going to hurt when there's a downturn.

Sort of like how everyone criticizes people who work in o&g who overextend themselves, and then get totally hooped when oil tanks for an extended period of time. They're spending like it'll go on forever with no contingency.

Exactly. ^^^^

Prentice has been preaching that Alberta needs a contingency plan, and that is what his party is going to prepare over the next ten years? What were they doing for the last 40 years?

I was saying "hope for the best and prepare for the worst".

Everyone was basing plans on wishful thinking. Others didn't even want to hear about the worst, because they had the strange thought that reality would jinx the economy.

During the Klein era. Klein told Albertan's that we had to tighten our belts so that we would have a prosperous future. But as it worked out, all that belt tightening did nothing except make a handful of people very wealthy.

It is foolish to assume that Corporations aren't going to squeeze every penny out of a people. Albertan's have to start thinking that they are worth something. Instead of constantly allowing themselves to be exploited, based on the idea that corporations will treat Albertan's well for their loyalty.

Right now, corporate board are sitting around, thinking about how they can exploit this downturn for their gain.

[icky2unk]

lol Thales congrats you found a picture and photoshopped it.

Why am i not surprised this keyboard troll is a fatass lol. Keep private messaging me and showing me personal information you can get on me you creep :thumbsup:

I mean I don't normally send dick pics but if you want some to fap to just holler!

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by icky2unk
lol Thales congrats you found a picture and photoshopped it.

Why am i not surprised this keyboard troll is a fatass lol. Keep private messaging me and showing me personal information you can get on me you creep :thumbsup:

enjoying fapping to it

I am making fun of you because you and a rude little child. Unlike you my wit is based on satire and not libel.

imo if my ideas upset you so greatly, you should look at why.

You also do not understand what a troll is. A troll posts off topic, or disrespectful comments. Which you just did.

As I have told you, if you spoke in public, like you speak here, someone would insert their shoe in your mouth.

p.s. I see you have edited your last response. In regard to your sending dick pics, don't worry every picture you post of yourself meets that criteria.

[killramos]

Originally posted by icky2unk
lol Thales congrats you found a picture and photoshopped it.

Why am i not surprised this keyboard troll is a fatass lol. Keep private messaging me and showing me personal information you can get on me you creep :thumbsup:

I mean I don't normally send dick pics but if you want some to fap to just holler!

The guy clearly has mental problems bud. Beyond becomes a much more enjoyable place again once you put him on ignore. If the whole forum ignores him he will go away. Or he wont, but it wont matter.

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by killramos


The guy clearly has mental problems bud. Beyond becomes a much more enjoyable place again once you put him on ignore. If the whole forum ignores him he will go away. Or he wont, but it wont matter.

Why is it, that the biggest jackasses on the site, are always the ones complaining about how anyone with a different opinion than theirs has mental problems?

Studies have shown that people with limited intellect cannot accept opinions that are different from their group. I guess Beyond is no different.

It has right-wingers just like any other site.

[Seth1968]

The Wildrose are the new kids on the block, yet they easily uncovered numerous instances of PC fraud and corruption.

Yet the NDP and the Liberal party just buried their heads in the sand for the last few decades and never exposed shit.

[schocker]

Originally posted by Seth1968
The Wildrose are the new kids on the block, yet they easily uncovered numerous instances of PC fraud and corruption.

Yet the NDP and the Liberal party just buried their heads in the sand for the last few decades and never exposed shit.
Yup. NDP I had always found was very whiny while under Brian Mason. Wild rose was kind of always crazy pants so some fresh ideas/parties would be nice. Alberta Party platform is interesting though imo but everyone is going to split the vote anyways.

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by schocker

Yup. NDP I had always found was very whiny while under Brian Mason. Wild rose was kind of always crazy pants so some fresh ideas/parties would be nice. Alberta Party platform is interesting though imo but everyone is going to split the vote anyways.

But how can you rectify any good the wildrose does against the nutty ideas they have? Racism, Pro-life zealousy, and Holocaust denial, have all been issues that the party has to deal with.

[schocker]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus
But how can you rectify any good the wildrose does against the nutty ideas they have? Racism, Pro-life zealousy, and Holocaust denial, have all been issues that the party has to deal with.
I meant fresh ideas from other parties sorry. Wildrose is too crazypants even though iirc they have dealt with those members already and revised some policies.

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by schocker

I meant fresh ideas from other parties sorry. Wildrose is too crazypants even though iirc they have dealt with those members already and revised some policies.

There is no such thing as fresh ideas in our current political system. No political party has addressed the real problems. And why should they? Unlike us peasants, they are under the guise of immunity (by their own law)

They can create law, sit on their ass for 5 to 7 years, then retire with a golden hand shake. WTF?

Self righteous religious dogma, and Corps rule. We ACTUAL taxpayers have no real say (but we think we do).

Work 14 hour days, 7 days a week in a shit hole to supply us with some stuffed animal to hug for some created fear.

Ya, that's true if you doubt this.


Conform to ignorance or be cast out.

[schocker]

^^The general fresh ideas are do you know what we would do compared to the government in power......THE OPPOSITE!!!! :D

[Seth1968]

The notion that slavery has been abolished is absurd.

The problem is, the average human is taught to believe in propaganda and non empirical evidence over critical thinking. Note the latter is most important to human development, yet is not taught in our education system.


Global warning is meaningless in all regards. The REAL threat to humanity is the most uneducated and impoverished breed like rabbits. Yet, the educated people limit the amount of offspring.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by icky2unk
Keep private messaging me and showing me personal information you can get on me you creep :thumbsup:


Well I don't get pm's since the ignore function is on but, nice to see I'm not the only one he's making veiled threats/insinuations against (let me guess, "they're not threats") via internet "personal" information.

It's childish to attempt to intimidate people, which is exactly what your intent is. Tread lightly bully.

[Seth1968]

The Republicans VS Democrats.

The Conservatives VS Liberal.

Divide and conquer.

[killramos]

Originally posted by Seth1968
The Republicans VS Democrats.

The Conservatives VS Liberal.

Divide and conquer.

Go home Seth. You're drunk.

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by killramos


Go home Seth. You're drunk.

Go home to what exactly kill?

[avishal26]

Originally posted by Thales of Miletus


Why is it, that the biggest jackasses on the site, are always the ones complaining about how anyone with a different opinion than theirs has mental problems?

Studies have shown that people with limited intellect cannot accept opinions that are different from their group. I guess Beyond is no different.

It has right-wingers just like any other site.

I don't know what's wrong with me today - but that actually made sense and I kinda agree. :rofl:

[JRSC00LUDE]

I believe the mental problem reference is more to do with him digging up info on posters and trying to send them a message with it. That is not the behaviour of a well adjusted person.

Further, you will note that he pretty much insults everyone if they don't agree with his opinion which renders that part of the critique worthless. The pot/kettle reference wasn't conjured out of thin air. He doesn't allow people to think differently from his view of the world any more than Arash does.

[g-m]

What will it take to drive him out? Most have him on ignore now.

[msommers]

Originally posted by Seth1968


There is no such thing as fresh ideas in our current political system. No political party has addressed the real problems. And why should they? Unlike us peasants, they are under the guise of immunity (by their own law)

They can create law, sit on their ass for 5 to 7 years, then retire with a golden hand shake. WTF?

Self righteous religious dogma, and Corps rule. We ACTUAL taxpayers have no real say (but we think we do).

Work 14 hour days, 7 days a week in a shit hole to supply us with some stuffed animal to hug for some created fear.

Ya, that's true if you doubt this.


Conform to ignorance or be cast out.

Well Beyond can be your platform.

What are the problems you have identified and how what solutions do you have them?

[dirtsniffer]

Whats the golden handshake?

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
I believe the mental problem reference is more to do with him digging up info on posters and trying to send them a message with it. That is not the behaviour of a well adjusted person.

Further, you will note that he pretty much insults everyone if they don't agree with his opinion which renders that part of the critique worthless. The pot/kettle reference wasn't conjured out of thin air. He doesn't allow people to think differently from his view of the world any more than Arash does.

Oh shut up already. You guys should join a club called Whaaaaaaaaaaa. ;)

As far as digging for anything, I can't be bothered to do more than a few seconds research.

I only do this to attach peoples words to their identity.

It seems that people have a tendency to mouth off when they think they are anonymous. I simply try to take a little of that anonymity away from them. And you know what happens? People start acting more civil.

I have volunteered lots about myself. I am disabled, I am overweight, yadda yadda. I am not here to brag, but to discuss relevant issues.

That is what blogs are for.

p.s.In regard to your claim that I threaten people. That is a laugh and a half. While I could unscrew most peoples heads from their bodies, I would still have to catch them. And seeing that I can barely walk, let alone run, I am pretty sure most of you are safe.

[HiTempguy1]

Honestly, I think you are completely wrong. From business owners to car enthusiasts, very few people on Beyond actively hide their real identities, and furthermore, mostly simply don't give a shit because at the end of the day, it is the internet afterall.

You on the other hand have at times a striking resemblence in attitude to Toma.

[cancer man]

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[ZenOps]

If Prentice were put on the scales of the internet he would be...

Between "Chaotic Good" and "Chaotic Neutral" Arguably most modern politicians are Chaotic Neutral.

Me, I'm pretty much Lawful Evil in reality. Gotta charge people for the air they breathe afterall. Harpers definitely got a Lawful Evil vibe too. Putin would be Neutral Evil, and only Kim Jong Il would have been Chaotic Evil.

[CapnCrunch]

Originally posted by whiteout
So you basically predicted that there would be a downturn in an industry that everyone knows is cyclical. I guess that's an accomplishment of some sort.:dunno:

Why are you getting so pissy?

Back on topic, I 100% expect it to rain in the future so we should spend tax dollars building a permanent umbrella over our fine city.

[Thales of Miletus]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1
mostly simply don't give a shit because at the end of the day, it is the internet afterall.

So the internet is like Alcohol in that it reveals peoples true character?

Originally posted by HiTempguy1
You on the other hand have at times a striking resemblence in attitude to Toma.

I still don't understand what your people have against Toma.

I defended Toma, and that seems to be the reason people immediately put me on their hate list.

I try to see the good in everyone. The only people I do not have time for are stupid people. Why? Because they are boring.


Back to topic.

The NDP is calling for more in province refinement of oil.

The CAlgary mayor is blasting Prentice for spending millions on the election while refusing to fund child death investigations.

Prentice Admits that Albertans don't like the PC.

And the Wildrose is after Prentice for his involvement with a Golf Course.

[sabad66]

Originally posted by dirtsniffer
Whats the golden handshake?
probably meant golden handcuffs which i believe is a DB pension

golden handshake would be a severance package