Shell VPower

[YCB]

Is it just 'NE', or does the North East not have V-Power at their shell gas stations.. everytime I go.. "we are out of V-power and Silver"..

Either gotta go to the Flying J or Deerfoot/16th..

Royal Oak was out on the weekend as well. Too much hype on this "nitro+" stuff? lol :whocares:

[killramos]

I went to the one on 32nd on Monday and it had V Power :dunno:,

There was a refinery shortage a week or 2 ago but it seems like the stations are starting to get supply again.

[94boosted]

The Shell in Millrise had all pumps shut off on Monday (Reg, Mid & Premium) not sure if they are back up or not

[Tik-Tok]

Shell has been having production problems with V-Power for a few weeks now. It's hard to get all those expensive nitrogens into gasoline!

I was just at the dyno, and the tuner said even those getting 91 octane from the Shell's that supposedly have it, aren't tuning as high as they should be, he suspects those places are getting 91 octane from another non-Shell refinery.

[YCB]

Interesting.. but the refinery shortage does make sense..

That 94 octane from Petro gives a little extra oomph, but gas mileage is :thumbsdow

I'm very weary though when I fill at these places in the NE.. test all of them.. bet the ones in the south have more additives lol

[M.alex]

speaking of Shell, is their "new" V-power+++++++ (or whatever it's called) any different than their "old" v-power, or just a marketing gimmick?

[killramos]

Originally posted by M.alex
speaking of Shell, is their "new" V-power+++++++ (or whatever it's called) any different than their "old" v-power, or just a marketing gimmick?

I have no doubt its different, now whether its better or not is the real debate.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by YCB

That 94 octane from Petro gives a little extra oomph, but gas mileage is :thumbsdow
l

It's all the f'ing ethanol. Great for higher octane, terrible for actual energy efficiency.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by 94boosted
The Shell in Millrise had all pumps shut off on Monday (Reg, Mid & Premium) not sure if they are back up or not

Shell across from Southland Leisure Center In Braeside also had no gas on Monday. Went to Husky instead.

[HiTempguy1]

All of Edmonton's stations have been put for over a week, mostly premium but some stations everything. :(

[Tik-Tok]

A lightning strike on Thursday damaged Imperial Oil’s power systems, adding to shortages at gas stations already caused by “unplanned maintenance” that has shut down operations at Shell Canada’s Scotford Manufacturing Centre.
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The Shell Scotford refinery, meanwhile, is shut down while it undergoes “unexpected” maintenance which caused half of Shell gas stations in and around Edmonton to run dry.

That station is responsible for fuelling most Alberta Shell stations, so the company is working on finding new temporary supplies until the Scotford refinery is brought back online.

“As it stands right now, we’re looking far and wide and high and low to see where we can find supply that we can bring into the province and hopefully fill up some of those stations that have run out,” said Cameron Yost, spokesman for Shell, in an interview on Thursday.

Neither Shell Canada nor Imperial Oil could provide a date as to when they would be fully operational again.

In other words, you might as well stop buying Shell for now, because it isn't Shell gas.

Also cancel your dyno tune if you use it, lol, I basically just wasted $300 for nothing.

[E46..sTyLez]

I go to the Shell in Copperfield and the Flying J at Deerfoot Casino. I have never once seen them out of V-Powa. I've seen Flying J out of reg, but not V.

[never]

Originally posted by E46..sTyLez
I have never once seen them out of V-Powa. I've seen Flying J out of reg, but not V.

Yeah, a few times Flying J has been out of reg/mid so they had V-power on for regular price, which is a nice bonus.

[DboyNismo]

Yeah the Shell's in Edmonton have been lacking, some stations without any gas. Esso it is... The attendants are always surprised when I ask why there isn't premium because I drive a corolla.

[sneek]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


In other words, you might as well stop buying Shell for now, because it isn't Shell gas.

Also cancel your dyno tune if you use it, lol, I basically just wasted $300 for nothing.

Isn't all gasoline the same? The difference between the manufacturers is in the additive pack isn't it? Unless they are out of Nitro+ additives or whatever it is, I imagine it would be the same

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by sneek


Isn't all gasoline the same? The difference between the manufacturers is in the additive pack isn't it? Unless they are out of Nitro+ additives or whatever it is, I imagine it would be the same

Not when it comes to tuning, it isn't. Also, Shell charges an extra premium for their "Nitrogen" bullshit. So why pay more for gas that doesn't actually contain it?

[killramos]

Originally posted by sneek


Isn't all gasoline the same? The difference between the manufacturers is in the additive pack isn't it? Unless they are out of Nitro+ additives or whatever it is, I imagine it would be the same

Shell also is one of the few in town who will
Guarantee no ethanol in V Power.

So not its not all the same. There might be some argument of which is better. But not same.

[codetrap]

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[rage2]

I use coop gas along with Shell, more so in July because Shell has been out everywhere through the month. It's pretty close over the years across all my cars, turbo to NA. Plus they have full serve which is awesome.

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread/t-294360.html

They use their own refinery, so it's definitely not Shell gas according to maxtrbo93.

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread/t-311616.html

While other ex-coop employees say it's Shell.

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread/t-19904.html

Who knows, except that it works well.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by rage2

They use their own refinery, so it's definitely not Shell gas according to maxtrbo93.


That's what confuses me. They do have their own refinery, but my dyno tune last week says their 91 is shit right now, which coincides with Shell being shit.


Originally posted by rage2

While other ex-coop employees say it's Shell.

http://forums.beyond.ca/showthread/t-19904.html

Who knows, except that it works well.

It was true about 7 years ago when I talked to the head office level manager of gas station for Calgary Co-Op. He told me it was Shell, but without the additives. However a lot changes in 7 years.

[M.alex]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


Not when it comes to tuning, it isn't. Also, Shell charges an extra premium for their "Nitrogen" bullshit. So why pay more for gas that doesn't actually contain it?

gotta get that extra 2rwhp :rofl:

[InRich]

So I went to the shell in Mckenzie the other day, and it was 5 cents more then every other place I saw that day. I'm getting real sick of this price gouging. I think I'll stop going there, after going there for `17 years exclusively . I'll start going to Costco where they offer same price regular everywhere for premium

[blownz]

^ yeah, so many places now charging 15-18 cents extra for premium. It is nice that Costco only charges 10 extra. Makes a huge difference if you drive a lot.

[Redlined_8000]

I don't think esso 91 is very good. Just tried a batch in my civic due to shell being out of gas. Ended up with 11L/100km. Usually get 9L/100km on shell 91. The economy I got from esso is worse than what my C63 gets on the highway lol.....

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by Redlined_8000
I don't think esso 91 is very good. Just tried a batch in my civic due to shell being out of gas. Ended up with 11L/100km. Usually get 9L/100km on shell 91. The economy I got from esso is worse than what my C63 gets on the highway lol.....

Anything with ethanol will give you worse mileage.

[ianmcc]

Shell must still be having supply issues. Drove past two Shell stations both with zeros on the price board.

[heavyD]

Western Canadian gasoline is simply not up to par compared to US gasoline. Not sure if it's additive packages or what that makes it worse but it's just not great gasoline. Cobb for instance recommends Canadians run their ACN tunes because our gasoline isn't knock resistant enough to be able to reliably handle even their regular 91 OTS maps. Lots of GTR owners in Western BC go south of the border to fuel up.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by ianmcc
Shell must still be having supply issues. Drove past two Shell stations both with zeros on the price board.

:facepalm:

[Maxx Mazda]

Every Shell I've been to in Medicine Hat lately is out of V-Power. 87 only.

[killramos]

I think shell is selectively supplying stations.

For example centre and McKnight was completely taped up. Centre and 64th fully open (inc V power).

This was Thursday evening.

[120Comm]

Costco in Beacon Hill yesterday was out of premium, and the attendant was telling people it was because of the Shell Scotford shutdown. So I guess you can take from that that Costco's gas is Shell. :)

[cloud7]

It is kind of annoying that they are still having supply issues... the one on 32nd Avenue across from McCall is still out. I might have to fill up on Esso for the time being, if the Shell near home is out of v-power.

[tehwegz]

I'll use Costco 91 from now on. Why not, may as well use my Costco card other than the once every two months I go.

I notice the price gouging on premium, especially at Shell. I was in disbelief the whole time after noticing the difference while filling up a couple months back: 0.20/L more than their regular. Really? I haven't gone to that Shell station since. Even their store (On The Run) had jacked up prices on everything. Greedy pucks. Advised everyone I work with to stop going there, go to Husky-Mac's instead since it's also close; has normal prices.


Originally posted by heavyD
Western Canadian gasoline is simply not up to par compared to US gasoline. Not sure if it's additive packages or what that makes it worse but it's just not great gasoline. Cobb for instance recommends Canadians run their ACN tunes because our gasoline isn't knock resistant enough to be able to reliably handle even their regular 91 OTS maps. Lots of GTR owners in Western BC go south of the border to fuel up.

Funny because I hear a lot of Americans complaining about their fuel quality. At least in California, I know for sure it's pretty bad there. Probably watering down the fuel even more to "save teh environments".

[flipstah]

No V-Power in gas stations I've been to. :(

[Tarrantula]

Why cant we just add our own lead to 87? haha

(I dont actually know why not, please dont lecture me :P )

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by Tarrantula
Why cant we just add our own lead to 87? haha

(I dont actually know why not, please dont lecture me :P )

Umm, feel free, but I don't think your Audi's injectors, or catalytic converter is going to enjoy leaded fuel. :nut:

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by tehwegz
I notice the price gouging on premium, especially at Shell. I was in disbelief the whole time after noticing the difference while filling up a couple months back: 0.20/L more than their regular. Really? I haven't gone to that Shell station since. Even their store (On The Run) had jacked up prices on everything. Greedy pucks. Advised everyone I work with to stop going there, go to Husky-Mac's instead since it's also close; has normal prices.

Well, they had 20x airmiles promotion for a while. You didn't think those miles are free do ya?

On average, that's like charging you $2.50 for $10 off.

Then once you get into the habit, you forgot you are paying more for their premium.

I still find Shell V Power is the most energy dense gas and get most mileage out of it. But if Co-Op maintain their gas have no ethanol, I may go to them now instead because it's just easier, especially only refinery that make 0 ethanol premium is Shell Scotford.

There are only 4 type of gas in AB anyway, PetroCan and Husky got shit load of Ethanol, Esso and Shell.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by Xtrema

But if Co-Op maintain their gas have no ethanol, I may go to them now instead because it's just easier, especially only refinery that make 0 ethanol premium is Shell Scotford.

I mentioned it earlier, but right now Co-Op 91 sucks. I got dyno tuned by Airboy a couple of weeks ago, and he could only get me 4hp more even though with the mods I did, in his words, should have got me 20-30 extra.

I think they've gone elsewhere for fuel, since Scotford shut down.

[ExtraSlow]

I have a family member who buy bulk fuel by the tanker load for a large fleet operation. He has the sales department of all the refineries between Vancouver and Sault Ste Marie on speed dial, and every time he needs fuel, he calls each and every one. Usually it's cheapest due to shipping to get his fuel from the ones nearby, but sometimes, he has trucks rolling across the country to bring his fuel. Once or twice it's been worthwhile to bring it up from the USofA.

I would suspect all the "off brand" places like co-op, Centex etc operate much the same. The may get most of their fuel from one refinery, but occasionally, they'll get it elsewhere because it'll be cheapest. I'm sure as soon as the shell refinery is doing maintenance, they raise the price to all thier "off brand" customers, and then co-op will get it elsewhere.

[dirtsniffer]

Co-op definitely has there own production and refinery

[ExtraSlow]

Yeah, there is a co-op refinery, but not every drop of fuel sold by the co-op branded stations comes from that station. That's what I'm say, although perhaps poorly.

Besides, Calgary co-op is only loosely affiliated with Federated Co-operatives Limited, who I believe are the ones who own that refinery.

[kdwebber]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
I have a family member who buy bulk fuel by the tanker load for a large fleet operation. He has the sales department of all the refineries between Vancouver and Sault Ste Marie on speed dial, and every time he needs fuel, he calls each and every one. Usually it's cheapest due to shipping to get his fuel from the ones nearby, but sometimes, he has trucks rolling across the country to bring his fuel. Once or twice it's been worthwhile to bring it up from the USofA.

I would suspect all the "off brand" places like co-op, Centex etc operate much the same. The may get most of their fuel from one refinery, but occasionally, they'll get it elsewhere because it'll be cheapest. I'm sure as soon as the shell refinery is doing maintenance, they raise the price to all thier "off brand" customers, and then co-op will get it elsewhere.

I spoke to a tanker driver at Centex once and he told me that he delivers different types of fuel to Centex on a regular basis so that would confirm your theory

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
Yeah, there is a co-op refinery, but not every drop of fuel sold by the co-op branded stations comes from that station. That's what I'm say, although perhaps poorly.

Besides, Calgary co-op is only loosely affiliated with Federated Co-operatives Limited, who I believe are the ones who own that refinery.


Yup



The Co-op Refinery Complex (CRC), the world's first co-operatively-owned refinery, was incorporated on April 1, 1934, with the mission of supplying local co-operative associations with quality petroleum products. On May 27, 1935, production of 500 barrels of crude oil per day began.

Since those early days, the Co-op Refinery Complex has experienced immense growth in its facilities, as well as in the distribution and sales of its petroleum products through the Co-operative Retailing System (CRS). The Co-op Refinery Complex celebrated its 80th year of operation in 2015. Current crude processing rates are typically 100,000 barrels per day.

Located in Regina, Saskatchewan, the Co-op Refinery Complex is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Federated Co-operatives Limited (FCL) and owns and operates the Co-op Refinery Complex facilities. The Co-op Refinery Complex is a totally integrated facility from an operational perspective.

The Co-op Refinery Complex has evolved into one of North America's higher value-added petroleum refining facilities through its commitment to excellence, innovation, and response to the impressive growth of the nearly 235 autonomous retails that make up the CRS.

State-of-the-art equipment and technology have been hallmarks at the Co-op Refinery Complex, but it has been our dedicated and talented employees who have guided the company's remarkable evolution and will continue to do so in the future.

The Co-op Refinery Complex's employees work co-operatively in a team-oriented culture in which effective communication and technical training are emphasized. It is this culture that has allowed the CRC's greatest resource to achieve value-added improvements to refining operations in a safe and environmentally responsible manner.

Over the last two decades, the CRC has responded to the growing petroleum product sales of the CRS by more than tripling the number of barrels of crude oil that are processed each calendar day. New facilities have been, and will continue to be, added to ensure that the Co-op Refinery Complex produces adequate volumes of high-quality products and continues to fulfill its mission of service to the Co-operative Retailing System.


http://www.ccrl-fcl.ca/

[ExtraSlow]

Interestingly, the co-op also owns some oil wells in the nearby area. I spoke to one of the companies that does joint ventures with them, and apparently they are a nightmare to deal with because of their inexperience in the industry.

[SKR]

Yeah Co-op has been drilling wells in SW and SE Saskatchewan for a while now. I've never been on one of their jobs but I assumed they'd have an engineering outfit working for them.

[sugoi240]

For those in the NE, she'll on 16th ave off deerfoot has 91

[That.Guy.S30]

Still no vpower at royal oak. Just regular

[JustinMCS]

vpower was out on weekend on 17th ave and blackfoot at 42.

[A2VR6]

Filled up at the Shell in Kensington yesterday and they had vpower.

[YCB]

Been calling around before I visit stations.

Just got off the phone with station at 32nd ave and 68st ne. They have some again!!

:clap:

Seems like they are starting fill these empty tanks?

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by YCB
Been calling around before I visit stations.

Just got off the phone with station at 32nd ave and 68st ne. They have some again!!

:clap:

Seems like they are starting fill these empty tanks?
Buyer beware, it's not likely Shell V-Power:

Gasoline has been obtained from other regions and markets and other refineries in the Edmonton area, Yost said.http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Edmonton+Shell+stations+getting+some+situation+still+flux/11279585/story.html

Weird how Calgary isn't mentioned at all, and no local media hasn't picked up on it either. Obviously we're as affected as Edmonton is.

[JustinMCS]

Im going to costco for now. Their 91 is top tier rated until shell gets it shit together

[tehwegz]

Originally posted by JustinMCS
Im going to costco for now. Their 91 is top tier rated until shell gets it shit together

It is?

I don't think its worth going anywhere else cost wise. I don't collect points other than Esso and their points program sucks compared to Air Miles (Shell) or Petro Points.

But I do collect on my credit card, and Costco only takes Mastercard, or stupid AMEX. y u no Visa!? I want my Scene pts.

[ryanallan]

Possible thread derail:

Doesn't a Tesla sound really good right about now?
Fingers crossed the model 3 comes in at $30,000.
No more arguing about what oil to use, or what gas to burn.
Just plug er into the wall.

[rage2]

Why wait? You can get a Nissan Leaf today for $30k. :dunno:

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by rage2
Why wait? You can get a Nissan Leaf today for $30k. :dunno:

No, what they meant is they want Model S performance for $30K when they say they are waiting for Model 3.

:rofl:

[Cos]

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[InRich]

I've completely stopped going to Shell after this V power shit. Every fucking time I pulled into Mckenzie Lake Shell, it was out. I did it 4 times in a row. So after going there for OVER 15 years!!!! I'm done with it, never going back again. I didnt even get one of those letters either, which is BS

I tank at costco now.
and i have confirmed it, it is SHELL gas exclusively being used there.

[bigbadboss101]

Nice, although Shell still have the highest premium on premium gas.

[bigbadboss101]

Originally posted by InRich
I've completely stopped going to Shell after this V power shit. Every fucking time I pulled into Mckenzie Lake Shell, it was out. I did it 4 times in a row. So after going there for OVER 15 years!!!! I'm done with it, never going back again. I didnt even get one of those letters either, which is BS

I tank at costco now.
and i have confirmed it, it is SHELL gas exclusively being used there.

Can't beat their price and if one go early morning then no line ups. As for the confirmation can you provide some info?

[sabad66]

^it is shell gas, but it's not v power. Doesn't have the same additives

Do you use your air miles card and is the address on your air miles account correct? If not that's why you wouldn't have received a letter

[Tik-Tok]

So Shell stations are barely keeping supply in 91, but you guys think Costco has it? :nut:

I tried Costco 91 the other week, and got 10% less fuel economy then normal on an entire tank. I find it hard to believe it's Shell.

[schocker]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok
So Shell stations are barely keeping supply in 91, but you guys think Costco has it? :nut:

I tried Costco 91 the other week, and got 10% less fuel economy then normal on an entire tank. I find it hard to believe it's Shell.
Are you sure it was the same driving conditions?
I have comapred when I have had different cars between costco/coop/shell and always generally the same mileage.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok
So Shell stations are barely keeping supply in 91, but you guys think Costco has it? :nut:

I tried Costco 91 the other week, and got 10% less fuel economy then normal on an entire tank. I find it hard to believe it's Shell.

If you go to Shell, you know it's V Power.

If you don't go to Shell, it may be Shell's premium, it may not.

But after this, I have switch to Co-Op. Near home. Get $1.50 off and probably from Shell anyway.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by schocker

Are you sure it was the same driving conditions?
I have comapred when I have had different cars between costco/coop/shell and always generally the same mileage.


Yeap. My driving habits are pretty routine. Shell, and Co-Op always got me the same mileage, this was the first time I've used Costco in my car, and I won't be back.

[Cos]

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[bigbadboss101]

I will use the 5c off offer and the Airmiles deal. I noticed my wife's Honda Fit being sluggish this past week and I realized I filled up at Costco last time. Yes it's an econo engine but I had to press harder for it to go and mileage has been around 7.2L/100km.

[n1zm0]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok
So Shell stations are barely keeping supply in 91.

Where in the city is this? I have seen and filled up on Shell Vpower since the shortage a few times, in the SW and SE.

[oilerfan4lyfe]

Shell and Costco is a world of difference for me. I get almost an extra 100 KM out of a Shell tank which ends up being worth paying the extra 20c/litre.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by n1zm0


Where in the city is this? I have seen and filled up on Shell Vpower since the shortage a few times, in the SW and SE.

All over the city up until a few weeks ago, when they finally started getting a consistent supply of fuel from other sources. Costco never ran out of fuel once, which leads me to believe they switched brands as soon as Scotsford shut down.

[That.Guy.S30]

They got vpower at royal oak. Was there last night. Been consistent since there other than those 3 weeks.

[t_soarer]

Originally posted by Xtrema


If you go to Shell, you know it's V Power.

If you don't go to Shell, it may be Shell's premium, it may not.

But after this, I have switch to Co-Op. Near home. Get $1.50 off and probably from Shell anyway.

Spot on. And HRVs like Costco use a generic additive in 91.