Beyond Poll: 2015 Canadian Federal Election

[HiTempguy1]

I dunno why this hasn't been made yet, we seem to make it with every other election that goes on ;)

Vote in the poll and then post who you voted for? Why? So you can post later if you've changed your position :)

Edit-
I am voting conservative... for now. I don't like the other leaders wishy-washy foreign policy, and I don't particularly care if Canada is liked on the world stage if we are doing something for the betterment of the world. I do dislike the TPP but that is going through no matter what, we will be an economic pariah if we don't (yay global economy, f*&ked either way!)

I also think the NDP's $15/h minimum wage federally is silly, it does not take into account regions which makes it a dud. At least $15/h can be slightly justified in an Albertan economy (sort of).

[flipstah]

I voted for Harper. Because Trudeau isn't ready.

[That.Guy.S30]

Originally posted by flipstah
I voted for Harper. Because Trudeau isn't ready.

Nice hair though.....

[spikerS]

I am spoiling my ballot.

[Jonathanl10]

Vote Green Party as an act of defiance knowing very well that they have no chance anyway. Seems more civilized than spoiling your paper.

[CompletelyNumb]

Green party would be a better candidate then NDP and Liberals anyways.

[gwill]

I don't care who you vote for as long as it's not for mulcair. That guy makes me want to vomit anytime i see him. He's a Quebec politician who's done absolutely nothing for our country. Any story Ive read about him in the papers has him so out of touch with reality that I'm surprised if he even knows where Alberta is.

I did vote the NDP for the provincial election but there's no way in hell i can vote In mulcair. I can't relate in any way to mulcairs style of politics. I hope AB's aren't stupid enough to vote for mulcair but based on all the Harper hate on Twitter and Facebook I won't be surprised.

Thankfully it's a long election so we can try and talk some sense into the NDP idiots.

[Kloubek]

The fact is, we are pretty screwed federally just like we were provincially in the last election.

Do you revote in the most experienced candidate and the one who better presents him/herself on the stage , yet the same one who has let us tank in recent years? Or do you vote in an inexperienced leader who may do an good job but is most likely to tank even worse?

I hate Harper and the Conservatives a fair amount, but I'm not sure we have any viable options.

[HiTempguy1]

I dont think its exactly "fair" to say Harper "tanked" the economy. The global economy did that.

He may not have done the best job though for sure.

[kaput]

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[dirtsniffer]

Conservative.

[btimbit]

Sick of Harper, other candidates are even worse. Undecided but likely voting Conservative

[Xtrema]

Green because I don't want to vote for the other 3 idiots

[The_Penguin]

Conservative, 'cause Alberta. :)

Best of a bad bunch really. NFW am I voting NDP , or Liberal so....

[ExtraSlow]

I really want to vote Harper/PC, I really do. THat's where I think my fiscal/ideological home is.

Problem is, Harper has really pissed me off for several years, so I don't see how I can vote for him. I see many parallels to the recent provincial election. His government has become stagnant and arrogant and thus, unpalatable. I don't blame the economy on him, but I do blame him for the bills he passed and the statements he's made.

Good alternatives? I don't know, the liberals seem closest to me ideologically. I don't care if Justin is young, that doesn't scare me. Green Party is decent.

Federal NDP doesn't work for me.

I may spoil the ballot. I may wait until closer to the election and vote strategically based on the riding by riding prediction from threehundredeight. Those guys seem pretty accurate.

Im' a bit of an election geek, I really LIKE reading the polls and making predicitons and watching the results roll in. This year, I'm just sick about the whole thing.
:barf: :barf:

[Toma]

You shouldn't really look at any other economy, than our biggest partner (~80%), the US. Their MASSIVE recovery since 2007 and consumption. Stock market almost tripled since the bottom, housing doubled, unemployment halved, record corporate profits....many of our key exports and commodoties hit record highs during this time, oil, wood, copper, cereals etc. or near record highs. We aren't Greece, indebted by conservatives to foreign central banks lol.

Somehow, again, as with Alberts during the bjggest oil boom in history, the CONservatives ran debt abd deficit. We are blessed with the biggest, most resource rich country on the planet, with very few people.... and we run deficit under CONservatives?

This period was an extraordinary gift and opportunity, and corporate welfare, tax cuts to the very top , and criminal CONservatives completely wasted it.

So it's not a matter of "its not that bad".

Frankly, i dont believe it could have been worse even f you tried.

Criminal imo the way Canada is blead dry and indebted to very special interests.

[Sugarphreak]

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[Toma]

And now, the recession is just starting.

keep that in mind.

Just like in the US, CONservatives pile on debt, while lying about fiscal responsibility.

Reagan (con) tripled US debt. Bush Sr (con) doubked US debt. Clinton (lib) leveled off debt, and turned over a budget surplus. Bush Jr (con) doubled debt. Obama (lib) despite taking over the worst economy since the dirty 30s hasn't doubled debt yet, got them obamacare, gay rights, historic nuclear deal with Iran, and is dramatically reducing deficit.

Same as hear. Harper took over a 7 year stretch of.Liberal surpl7s, and turned it into 8 years of debt, durong the US recovery. How?

Crooks and liars.

The data and trends are non disputable. Fear, denial, people scared of change.... only reason closet hider, warhawk Harper has any support.

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[SmAcKpOo]

Lol Toma, you are comparing apples to oranges here. Completely off the deep end as usual.


Probably voting conservative, I can't stand Harper though.

[Cos]

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[Toma]

Originally posted by SmAcKpOo
Lol Toma, you are comparing apples to oranges here. Completely off the deep end as usual.


Probably voting conservative, I can't stand Harper though.

Yeah? Canada isnt the biggest, most resource rich country on the panet? We dont share the eorlds biggest birder with the highest consuming country on the panet? We dont have a very low population?

Morons vote CONservative, because they think the name means something, instead of being the oxymoron that it is.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
I really want to vote Harper/PC, I really do. THat's where I think my fiscal/ideological home is.

Again, please stop calling Harper PC. It's just C.

I think Liberal is in the right spot in the political spectrum for Canada but has an unproven leader.

[Toma]

Originally posted by Xtrema


Again, please stop calling Harper PC. It's just C.

I think Liberal is in the right spot in the political spectrum for Canada but has an unproven leader.

He isnt C, by any means. Fiscally, a disaster.

wikioedia, look up conservative, with Harpers record, tell me honestly if a Conservstive has existed since Laugheeed.

[EM2FTL]

I'll be strategically voting in my riding, Harper needs to GTFO.

[Ca_Silvia13]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1
I dont think its exactly "fair" to say Harper "tanked" the economy. The global economy did that.

He may not have done the best job though for sure.


Exactly my thoughts. I didn't agree with bill c-51 but beyond that I'm not sure I can point my finger squarely at Harper and the Conservatives being the reason the economy is where it is in this country.

[austic]

Tough Call, I feel like we need change but the choice between NDP and Liberal is a choice between two evils. I would say Liberal as I couldn't bring myself to vote NDP.

[Toma]

Originally posted by Ca_Silvia13



Exactly my thoughts. I didn't agree with bill c-51 but beyond that I'm not sure I can point my finger squarely at Harper and the Conservatives being the reason the economy is where it is in this country.

Really.... why cant you? US in a miracle recovery since 2008, that economists said would take a GENERATION after Conservative Bush collapsed it.. Commodoties at or near record highs...

So whos to blame? Greece? And you ain't seen nothin yet. We currently have more layoffs this early, than we did in the 80s "at this time" The cons made sure that its gonna be ugly.

[Ca_Silvia13]

The conservatives are not in control of world markets and the fact that in Alberta we barely felt the effects of the last recession doesn't make me think the Conservatives have been doing a bad job. I dare say even at Provincial and Federal level. (that being said I didn't vote conservative in the last Provincial election)

So because world markets fail and other countries are doing well it's all the Conservatives fault? I'm not following that one.

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by Toma

US in a miracle recovery since 2008

*sigh*

:nut:

[Toma]

Please explain why "world markets" are responsible, when ~80% of our trade is with America?

And when you say "world"...what are you talking about? Greece? Spain?

or

USA, Britain, Japan, etc.

Why are we comparable to shitholes without the landmass or resources for their relatively large populations?

We are sitting on top of the biggest gold mine on the planet.

Liberals made something of it last time. CONservatives piss it away on purpose.

[gwill]

Glad the poll is mostly conservative...

If your thinking of voting NDP keep in mind mulcair will be brining back mail delivery at a cost of billions, he'll refuse to acknowledge terrorists exist and refuses to acknowledge as a prime minister that there may be times our peace keepers or troops will be needed. He's a coward... He's also from Quebec.

Like we need an mp from Quebec as prime minister..

[Toma]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1


*sigh*

:nut:

Despite what rightwing nuts say, the stock market has near tripled, unemployment is near half. Housing has doubled. Deficit spending tanking, businesses and banks back to record profits.

By what can be measured, from where they were, banks ready to fold, GM bankrupt, housing decimated, forclosures everywhere, unemployment near record levels, the worst economy since the dirty 30s.

It's nothing short of a miracle, BY THE DATA.

[Ca_Silvia13]

Liberals ripped us off last time too Toma (adscam to the tune of billions). You think that's any better than Conservatives help pro-conservatives get rich. It's politics it will always be a you-scratch-my back and I'll give you a boat load of money via government contracts.

The grass is only green on the other side until you find out it's not grass and just green painted horse shit spewed from a different persons mouth.

[LOLzilla]

Either Liberal or NDP once the election date gets closer. I really don't want to see a majority from any government right now.

[Toma]

Originally posted by gwill
Glad the poll is mostly conservative...

If your thinking of voting NDP keep in mind mulcair will be brining back mail delivery at a cost of billions, he'll refuse to acknowledge terrorists exist and refuses to acknowledge as a prime minister that there may be times our peace keepers or troops will be needed. He's a coward... He's also from Quebec.

Like we need an mp from Quebec as prime minister..

Thank fucking christ. Cant wait for mail to my door again, at the codt of millions, EASILY paid for the BIlIONS Harper stole and blead from the people.

Like who tries to balance a budget by stealing a billion from Veterans, and Billions by pawning of tax payer shares in GM? And BILLIONS in unaccounted for anti terror funding. And BILLIONS in the royalty miscalculation.....And almost a billion in early advertising propaganda (action plan my ass)

You are suffering from "cant see the forest for the trees" my man.

lol.

[Toma]

Originally posted by Ca_Silvia13
Liberals ripped us off last time too Toma (adscam to the tune of billions). You think that's any better than Conservatives help pro-conservatives get rich. It's politics it will always be a you-scratch-my back and I'll give you a boat load of money via government contracts.

The grass is only green on the other side until you find out it's not grass and just green painted horse shit spewed from a different persons mouth.

Billions on adscam? Your gonna have to show me that.

The conservstives are an order of magnitude worse than anything we've seen.

And the LIBERALS deliverd balanced budgets and surpluses their last 7 years.

Your excuse that "They are all bad, so Im voting for the worst" is quite grotesque.

[Toma]

And, I would vote Green, but its gotta be NDP to rid us of C51 Dear Leader.

[Toma]

"Elections are such infuriating spectacles that sometimes one doesn’t know which obscenity to utter first. But I’ve decided to aim my initial outburst at the Harper Tories.

I cannot vote for them. I just can’t. They should be my natural choice but their coarse, vindictive, proudly unprincipled cynicism must not be rewarded with electoral success, regardless of the consequences.

Let’s start with Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s first major campaign pledge: to make the home renovation tax credit permanent if he is reelected. If it were economics, it would clearly be bad economics, aiming to “stimulate” one of the few sectors of the economy doing so well it already has the government worried about a bubble.

Worse, it’s yet another “boutique” tax credit, disguised spending cunningly designed to look as though government is getting smaller, while actually making it bigger. The cliche that Harper shrank government suits partisans on all sides, but it is false.

Worse still, it rests on the premise that anything you want should be subsidized. The Tories were already pumping out dozens of press releases a week touting handouts to everyone from bison farmers to door makers, which assumes that nothing good can be produced through unaided private markets, a theory not even the NDP ever endorsed. Now they’ve doubled down, promising to subsidize anything you happen to like.

According to the prime minister, “For most Canadians, the family home is their biggest asset and their most significant investment in their future financial security. I’m therefore very pleased to announce that to help make it more affordable for Canadians to adapt their homes to their changing needs and to maintain and increase those houses’ values, we will establish a new home renovation tax credit.”

There’s absolutely no claim here that such handouts are a legitimate government function. It’s a bribe, plain, simple and naked: vote for us and we’ll give you money. Lots of it.

It was bad enough for them to subsidize my children at other people’s expense through the enriched Universal Child Care Benefit. But my patio? Could it be more crass, or insulting?

If taken seriously as political philosophy, it’s die-hard socialism. And as I’ve said before, if you’re going to get socialism, at least get it from honest socialists. But of course it’s not meant to be taken seriously. It’s just the nudge and wink that accompanies the envelope full of cash. And that corrosive dishonesty is the real sticking point for me.

Harper wrote his 1991 master’s thesis on “public choice” theory that, as his abstract put it, “policymakers are motivated by political goals, in particular electoral goals, rather than the social optima assumed by traditional macroeconomic policy prescriptions.” As a Reform MP and National Citizens’ Coalition president, he understood this to be a warning. Now he treats it as an operating manual.

Power has corrupted him and his party. I wrote nearly two years ago that Harper is unfit for office because he lied to Parliament over the Wright-Duffy affair, insolently telling incompatible tales five days apart in October 2013, and lying about having contradicted himself.

Instead of recoiling from this cynical deceit, his party enthusiastically embraced it. If they think him worthy of public trust, they aren’t either.

It doesn’t matter where you look. The Tories talk tough in foreign affairs and praise the military. But they gut defence to fund cynical handouts. They rope in the rubes by feigning concern about traditional marriage, abortion and God. But they do nothing. Indeed, when Health Canada approved the abortion drug RU-486, this administration, which takes credit for every sparrow that takes wing in Canada, suddenly hid under the bed.

Justice Minister Peter MacKay told reporters to talk to Health Minister Rona Ambrose. Ambrose passed the buck to Health Canada. Jason Kenney said nothing. (MP David Anderson condemned the decision but declined to be interviewed.)

These people are not honourable. Indeed, they laugh at honour. They cherish the low blow, the devious tactic, the unprincipled bribe, in a relentless, sneering, partisan tone. People I know and like retweet Pierre Poilievre with vicious glee. I weep for them and my country."

[Toma]

And I can't have mail service, but the pompous asshole can blow almost a billion promoting himself?

“Canadians are understandably upset that Stephen Harper has spent more than $750 million since taking office on wasteful and ineffective partisan advertising,”

[JRSC00LUDE]

lolz for miles at the thought that an NDP government could sustain any kind of functional economy. Federal NDP = Hi, we hate oil, corporations and wealthy people and we only support job growth through our partnerships with organized labour. What a recipe for success.

Goodbye revenues, hello more taxes to make up the shortfall. It's hard to tax non-existent incomes though but god bless em, they'll try their best! Can you imagine a blustering hot-head like Mulcair on the world stage? Seriously :rofl: He'd be the biggest embarrassment we've ever had. At least Trudeau, while empty-headed and spineless (unless he's supporting Quebec) could at least LOOK polished and competent while getting laughed at by other heads of state.

There is no viable alternative, it's too bad the Liberals couldn't have come up with a real leader. It's a good vote for no one campaign.

[Toma]

At least NDP will try and do the right thing.

The economic disaster left by Harper during a resource boom, and major economic recovery by our by far biggest trading lartner.... It HAD to be on purpose. You can't fuck up this bad by accident.

[zipdoa]

We need to legalize....

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by Toma
At least NDP will try and do the right thing.

The economic disaster left by Harper during a resource boom, and major economic recovery by our by far biggest trading lartner.... It HAD to be on purpose. You can't fuck up this bad by accident.

I can't agree that they'll try to the the right thing, they're so anti wealth and pro union as an entity that they're just a polar opposite to the Conservatives. They'll fully whore themselves out too, just to a different group of cronies. I can't see that being any more of an advantage to the population as a whole.

Like I said, it's time for the Liberals to come back. But not till they get someone who isn't so unskilled and incapable (and anti-Western Canada/pro Quebec) as Trudeau. It's too bad as he'd be the perfect candidate had he spent the past 20 years prepping himself for the job but he's just a lazy opportunist. That's not what this country needs.

[Toma]

Unions rule.

Maybe you've noticed we no longer work 80 hours a week, we have safety equipment in dangerous places, and no more child labour, working coal minez at age 8.

Collective bargaining did that, and without them, we would regress very quickly. Once upon a time, a single fsmily income was enough for the average family. Then our spouses had to go to work. Then that wasnt enough for long, so they made credit dirt cheap.... Now, there's nothing left, so Conservstives in the US are suggesting aboloshing weekends, and extending work week hours.

There is no limit to corporste greed. And we are powerless as individuals against the multi billionaires.

But that's a whole other sad tale.

Covered well actually, here:

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/grandtraversedemocrats/pages/109/attachments/original/1413742499/Inequality_for_All.jpg

and

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/Capitalism_a_love_story_poster.jpg

[btimbit]

I'd actually love to vote liberal, but Trudeau is a clown. If Layton was around I'd consider voting NDP but Mulcair scares the shit out of me with some of the nonsense he spews. I traditionally vote Conservative but I think 9 years of Harper is enough.

It'll likely be a vote for Conservatives, if the economy was better I'd vote for NDP knowing they'd screw up and get booted quick but hopefully force some changes in the conservitive party. But with the recession I'd rather not risk those clowns

[JRSC00LUDE]

Unions USED to rule. Now they're drunk with power, bloated, rife with corruption and no better than the rich and powerful Corporations they once fought against. It's their turn to be put in check, everything is cyclical.

[EM2FTL]

Originally posted by Ca_Silvia13
Liberals ripped us off last time too Toma (adscam to the tune of billions). You think that's any better than Conservatives help pro-conservatives get rich. It's politics it will always be a you-scratch-my back and I'll give you a boat load of money via government contracts.

The grass is only green on the other side until you find out it's not grass and just green painted horse shit spewed from a different persons mouth.

lol.. where did you get billions from? Adscam was $250 million IIRC, and the AG found about half or less went out improperly to liberal supporters. Scandal, yes - but billions... lol.

Meanwhile.. http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/the-conservatives-misplaced-3-billion-last-year

[Toma]

^^^Conservative supporters are emotional believers. Much like religious extremists.

Facts, figures, statistics don't impact them. lol

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by EM2FTL


lol.. where did you get billions from? Adscam was $250 million IIRC, and the AG found about half or less went out improperly to liberal supporters. Scandal, yes - but billions... lol.

Meanwhile.. http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/the-conservatives-misplaced-3-billion-last-year

"In the government's latest spending “boondoggle,” Auditor General Michael Ferguson was unable to locate $3.1 billion dedicated to anti-terrorism spending that was spent between 2001-2009. The Conservatives have been in office since 2006."

Um... so it was the Liberals fault is what you are trying to say? I think that's what you are trying to say. For once you make sense :thumbsup:

Also, Vice is a shit news organization, barely above cracked as far as I am concerned. They should stick to their "everyone should do drugs, man" mantra.

[Ca_Silvia13]

I wasn't able to find any reliable stats which is why I never posted anything. Everything I found was from 14mil to 2bil but not one source on Google had the same number. I remember Ad Scam as it was when I first started getting in to Politics. I recall the total cost of the contracts, investigation etc was around 2 billion. And directly involve Creiten and Paul Martin, the finance Minister at the time. Might as well have been the mafia the way they conducted that fiasco.

Regardless my point was that Liberals ripped all Canadians off a lot more clearly than what Toma accuses the Conservatives of doing. The conservatives are not responsible for Oil diving due to foreign implications. And in turn the Canadian economy taking a dive. Recessions are cyclical it was bound to happen eventually.

Calling me an emotional believer in the conservatives but yet the NDP track record in every province they have been elected is complete garbage. No emotions there, just a proven track record of massive debt and corruption. Oh wait that's your argument right?

[Toma]

Originally posted by Ca_Silvia13


Calling me an emotional believer in the conservatives but yet the NDP track record in every province they have been elected is complete garbage. No emotions there, just a proven track record of massive debt and corruption. Oh wait that's your argument right?

Show me the "NDP disaster", in context of Canada's and that provinces economy? You want to compare Manitoba to Alberta??? Really?

Again, emotion, without numbers. The line you are using was the common sound bite from every know nothing conservative supporter leading upto the Alberta election.

Were they talking about Gary Doer, or Dave Barrett, ...or Glen Clark?

What ELSE was going on?

You are quick to give the Federal PC's a quick pass based on some phantom, bullshit "world economy".... yet NDP just randomly destroyed shit provincially?

Saskatchewan as an example..... slaughtered in the 90s during NDP, when Oil was as low $12. Well, no shit. After 99, it was Conservative, but gee, as a coincidence, oil went to $100.

But the Conservatives SELLING OFF EVERYTHING tax payer owned to foreigners in the 80's is what killed Saskatchewan.... cutting royalties, taxes.... Much as they love to do.

Anyway, carry on.

[Inzane]

The Liberals under Cretien/Martin gave us:
ad scams
gun registry
kyoto ratification

Nothing the conservatives have done under Harper has pissed me off as much as that. Bill C-51 is possibly the one exception. I don't support that bill.

Mulcair: he wants to block ALL THREE major oil pipeline projects. We live in Alberta. 'nuff said.

[Toma]

Bottom line;

The NDP hasn't been in power on a Federal level.

The CONservatives have brought us to recession, and continually rife with scandal, BILLIONS wasted, lost, stolen, People under investigation, convicted.... And Bill C fucking 51. Fuck them.

The Liberals were a bit better....

The NDP will work their asses off to make a good first showing.

I'm out!

Have fun guys :poosie: :poosie:

[EM2FTL]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1


"In the government's latest spending “boondoggle,” Auditor General Michael Ferguson was unable to locate $3.1 billion dedicated to anti-terrorism spending that was spent between 2001-2009. The Conservatives have been in office since 2006."

Um... so it was the Liberals fault is what you are trying to say? I think that's what you are trying to say. For once you make sense :thumbsup:

Also, Vice is a shit news organization, barely above cracked as far as I am concerned. They should stick to their "everyone should do drugs, man" mantra.

Vice produced some of the best coverage of the Ukraine conflict out of any of the western news organizations. You sometimes come across as an octogenarian trapped in a middle-aged man's body.

Here's an NP article on the same issue: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/government-cant-account-for-3-1b-allocated-to-public-safety-and-anti-terrorism-auditor-generals-reports-says

Now, can you point to where (other than Conservative Minister Clement's assessment) the AG is blaming the Liberals for the missing $3B?

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by EM2FTL


Now, can you point to where (other than Conservative Minister Clement's assessment) the AG is blaming the Liberals for the missing $3B?

As in the quote I already provided:

"Auditor General Michael Ferguson was unable to locate $3.1 billion dedicated to anti-terrorism spending that was spent between 2001-2009. The Conservatives have been in office since 2006"

The conservatives have been in office since 2006. The missing $3.1 billion was over the course of 2001-2009. So therefore, if you are saying that the conservatives misspent public funds, they were only in power for 1/3 of the time that the funds were being misspent compared to the liberals. So, are you saying that the conservatives somehow mispent the other 2/3's (give or take) that they weren't even in power for, assuming spending being relatively linear? Please, do inform me.



You sometimes come across as an octogenarian trapped in a middle-aged man's body.

Hopefully, I can't stand the rampant pansy pseudo-liberalism/authoritarian mindset that has taken over this country.

As for Vice and their Ukraine news coverage, I never said they couldn't do a good job. I said they were a shit news organization, and I stand behind that. I've read some truly informative articles on cracked too, and you don't see me posting links to their stuff as definitive proof or authoritative speaking on a subject :dunno:

Plenty of places stepped up with very well written, investigative journalism regarding Ukraine is my point.

[Kloubek]

Originally posted by btimbit
If Layton was around I'd consider voting NDP but Mulcair scares the shit out of me with some of the nonsense he spews.

I'm in the same boat. Layton was one of very few leaders I actually felt listened to what Canadians wanted and needed rather than running their own agenda. But, same as you, Mulcair keeps me from considering the NDP.

Similarly, Trudeau keeps the Liberals from being a possibility for me as well. There are aspects of his character I actually like, but I just can't see any other world leader taking him seriously. It's not his age exactly, but he's not seasoned or serious enough to run this country. I don't buy into any of the attack ads, but I really don't think he's ready. Perhaps never will be - that remains to be seen.

[EM2FTL]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1


As in the quote I already provided:

"Auditor General Michael Ferguson was unable to locate $3.1 billion dedicated to anti-terrorism spending that was spent between 2001-2009. The Conservatives have been in office since 2006"

The conservatives have been in office since 2006. The missing $3.1 billion was over the course of 2001-2009. So therefore, if you are saying that the conservatives misspent public funds, they were only in power for 1/3 of the time that the funds were being misspent compared to the liberals. So, are you saying that the conservatives somehow mispent the other 2/3's (give or take) that they weren't even in power for, assuming spending being relatively linear? Please, do inform me.



If you read the NP article I posted, to me it appears that the blame lies with the Treasury Board Secretariat, which couldn't account for $3.1b of the $12.9b that was allocated over 2001-2009. I don't read it as "the liberals lost the money from 2001-06, then the Cons lost the money from 2006-09", I read it as "the TBS can't figure out where the money spent over that period went". TBS has been made up of Con appointees since 2006. They didn't (at the time of the AG report) have a process in place to track all spending.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by That.Guy.S30


Nice hair though.....

Trudeau's Hair for PM

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Toma
Bottom line;

The NDP hasn't been in power on a Federal level.

The CONservatives have brought us to recession, and continually rife with scandal, BILLIONS wasted, lost, stolen, People under investigation, convicted.... And Bill C fucking 51. Fuck them.

The Liberals were a bit better....

The NDP will work their asses off to make a good first showing.

I'm out!

Have fun guys :poosie: :poosie:

I have nothing against the CONs on fiscal matters. Socially they are a disaster.

I have nothing against the LIBs on fiscal matters. Socially they are good too, they are the only one that is progressive. They just got caught with corruption which is a given if any government is around for too long. And like I said before, have no faith in the leader.

NDP policy goes, fiscal plan may work but risky as we are going under this experiment right now in AB. Socially they are great. I will vote them if Layton is still around. Mulcair has his moments but unfit as a PM.

Green has no chance but I'm throwing my vote their way even if that means they get a bit more budget to grow further. We need more facts and brains in government, not career lawyers and politicians.

[gwill]

Toma- unions rule? Man does this make me laugh. Anyone I know that's part of a union takes advantage of them. Calling in sick whenever, extending their vacations... Heck I had one acquaintance who has 5 dui's and had made his union put him through treatment 5 times over many years.

The union enabled his drinking as he could cry for help anytime he thought was in trouble with his job. After his 5th time in treatment they made him sign a waiver saying next time you lose your job. Union workers are lazy bums who are happy to game the system. This includes my family members who regularly laugh with me at how much they get away with.

Actually thinking about it I sort of wish my work was unionized... I wouldn't mind getting away with murder as well.

[gwill]

My last thought on the NDP... I gave them a chance for AB and voted them in but they've literally done nothing but spend money since winning our election. Forget about the lies that they took over a major deficit only to announce a surplus months later.

They don't even have their Mla offices open yet... They aren't playing too nice with the oil and gas sector... The list goes on and on.

Why take this chance with our federal politics?

[Toma]

You're not in a Union? Why do you get to pass judgement on their benefits?

Just like the dictator conservsrives. Its clear you'll be voting for da Fuhrer again. lol

[Env-Consultant]

Originally posted by Toma
Its clear you'll be voting for da Fuhrer again. lol

Might be a joke, but comparing any of our Canadian politicians to Nazis/Hitler/Fuhrer is grossly ignorant and pathetic. Things might be far from perfect, but we are so far from a repressed police state that I don't think we've earned the right to call anyone here (voted in by the public, might I add) something like that. It's a slap in the face to anyone who lived through that.

[Toma]

Originally posted by gwill
My last thought on the NDP... I gave them a chance for AB and voted them in but they've literally done nothing but spend money since winning our election. Forget about the lies that they took over a major deficit only to announce a surplus months later.

They don't even have their Mla offices open yet... They aren't playing too nice with the oil and gas sector... The list goes on and on.

Why take this chance with our federal politics?

Its been what... a month? lmao.

Gotta spend money on the shithole the Cons left. What did you think?

Duh

[Toma]

Originally posted by Env-Consultant


Might be a joke, but comparing any of our Canadian politicians to Nazis/Hitler/Fuhrer is grossly ignorant and pathetic. Things might be far from perfect, but we are so far from a repressed police state that I don't think we've earned the right to call anyone here (voted in by the public, might I add) something like that. It's a slap in the face to anyone who lived through that.

Yeah? How about "Dear Leader" lol. tough guy closet hider, meddling militarily, Isis, selling arms, troops and training and money to Ukraine.

If it was 1936, no doubt in my mind what hed be doing to his enemies, probably invading Ukraine directly etc.

Save your phony outrage for someone else.

He's a wanna be dictator. His disdain for democracy and the Democratic process is easily apparent. imo

PS, most my older family "lived through that". None of them appreciate wanna be dictators.

Hell, my grandma has Nazi shrapnel in her face. I can assure you, she isnt.offended.

[Env-Consultant]

Originally posted by Toma


Yeah? How about "Dear Leader" lol. tough guy closet hider, meddling militarily, Isis, selling arms, troops and training and money to Ukraine.

If it was 1936, no doubt in my mind what hed be doing to his enemies, probably invading Ukraine directly etc.

Save your phony outrage for someone else.

He's a wanna be dictator. His disdain for democracy and the Democratic process is easily apparent. imo

Phony outrage? You are a very strange person. I don't recall any of my family or friends disappearing because they disagreed with the Conservatives.

Please don't cause this thread to get derailed where we are all forced to discuss kittens, watermelons, chip flavors, etc.

[Toma]

Originally posted by Env-Consultant


Phony outrage? You are a very strange person. I don't recall any of my family or friends disappearing because they disagreed with the Conservatives.

Please don't cause this thread to get derailed where we are all forced to discuss kittens, watermelons, chip flavors, etc.
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Yeah, phony outrage. Don't be overly literal.

But When a WW2 Veteran tells me they are outraged at the suggestion Harper is a wanna be dictator, I will apologize.

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by gwill
Toma- unions rule? Man does this make me laugh. Anyone I know that's part of a union takes advantage of them. Calling in sick whenever, extending their vacations... Heck I had one acquaintance who has 5 dui's and had made his union put him through treatment 5 times over many years.

The union enabled his drinking as he could cry for help anytime he thought was in trouble with his job. After his 5th time in treatment they made him sign a waiver saying next time you lose your job. Union workers are lazy bums who are happy to game the system. This includes my family members who regularly laugh with me at how much they get away with.

Actually thinking about it I sort of wish my work was unionized... I wouldn't mind getting away with murder as well.

Might as well judge all unions based off a few shitty people, including your lazy family apparently.

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by Unknown303


Might as well judge all unions based off a few shitty people, including your lazy family apparently.

Yea, to this day I've never seen this union mentality that people seem to complain so much about.

What I have seen is an encouraged workforce willing to fight for proper compensation and benefits against $billion corporations and government. As I always ask, why is it ok for a corporation to have as much representation as it wants, but not the employee? What's good for the goose is good for the gander... unless you don't want them to have what you have.

[Toma]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1


Yea, to this day I've never seen this union mentality that people seem to complain so much about.

What I have seen is an encouraged workforce willing to fight for proper compensation and benefits against $billion corporations and government. As I always ask, why is it ok for a corporation to have as much representation as it wants, but not the employee? What's good for the goose is good for the gander... unless you don't want them to have what you have.

It's in article 23 I think it was of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as well.

Loser dictator wanna bees that want to regress our hard fought for human rights really piss me off.

[btimbit]

Originally posted by Kloubek


I'm in the same boat. Layton was one of very few leaders I actually felt listened to what Canadians wanted and needed rather than running their own agenda. But, same as you, Mulcair keeps me from considering the NDP.

Similarly, Trudeau keeps the Liberals from being a possibility for me as well. There are aspects of his character I actually like, but I just can't see any other world leader taking him seriously. It's not his age exactly, but he's not seasoned or serious enough to run this country. I don't buy into any of the attack ads, but I really don't think he's ready. Perhaps never will be - that remains to be seen.

With you 100% on all points. I don't think Trudeau could run a country. As much as the attack ads annoy me, they're right. I've had that opinion before the ads started, I really don't think he's ready or capable. And that's really a shame, because after 9 years of Harper I was ready to vote Liberal, but it's not going to happen.

[16hypen3sp]

Even Marc Garneau said Trudeau lacked substance and was untested. The Liberals today are no further ahead than they were with that idiot Ignatieff in charge.

Mulcair is some angry guy that wants to divide Canada. He brought nothing to the table in the debate. Shows no leadership capabilities.

Sure our current PM has done some shitty things, but that's government for you. He's the only one that shows leadership.

CPC has my vote.


And the left needs to get over themselves. All they do is spout off about how Harper increased the debt, all the while wanting to vote for a party that wants to spend even more.

[gwill]

Originally posted by Env-Consultant


Might be a joke, but comparing any of our Canadian politicians to Nazis/Hitler/Fuhrer is grossly ignorant and pathetic. Things might be far from perfect, but we are so far from a repressed police state that I don't think we've earned the right to call anyone here (voted in by the public, might I add) something like that. It's a slap in the face to anyone who lived through that.

But that's what's floating around Facebook. According to Facebook Harper is worst then hitter. At least toma could try and be original instead of spouting garbage other people post.

[gwill]

Originally posted by Toma


It's in article 23 I think it was of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights as well.

Loser dictator wanna bees that want to regress our hard fought for human rights really piss me off.

You are Zen Ops 2....

Time for the ignore button

[gwill]

Anyone see the article on the star NDP candidate out east telling the world that for canada to meet its climate change target "a lot of the oil sands oil may have to stay in the ground."

Typical NDP pretending to support the oil sands when clearly they have a different agenda. They released a statement clarifying what their star candidate actually meant... Like anyone should believe it

[ZenOps]

Jedi

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by gwill
Anyone see the article on the star NDP candidate out east telling the world that for canada to meet its climate change target "a lot of the oil sands oil may have to stay in the ground."

Typical NDP pretending to support the oil sands when clearly they have a different agenda. They released a statement clarifying what their star candidate actually meant... Like anyone should believe it

Honestly, the more I read about it, we might now have any choice:

Linky link http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-03/california-regulator-mary-nichols-may-transform-the-auto-industry

Considering that California has a population the size of Canada, this isn't small peanuts. I think myself (and others) have been underestimating how far governments would go to regulating the ever-loving shit out of industries to get us away from fossil fuels.

[FraserB]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1


Honestly, the more I read about it, we might now have any choice:

Linky link http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-03/california-regulator-mary-nichols-may-transform-the-auto-industry

Considering that California has a population the size of Canada, this isn't small peanuts. I think myself (and others) have been underestimating how far governments would go to regulating the ever-loving shit out of industries to get us away from fossil fuels.

With her and Jerry Brown both in their 70's, hopefully they kick the bucket before they can enact more ridiculous laws.

[killramos]

Jesus I go away for a week and Toma is back in full force.

Or does he only post during elections now?

Gonna be a long couple months boys.

[403Gemini]

Originally posted by gwill
My last thought on the NDP... I gave them a chance for AB and voted them in but they've literally done nothing but spend money since winning our election. Forget about the lies that they took over a major deficit only to announce a surplus months later.

They don't even have their Mla offices open yet... They aren't playing too nice with the oil and gas sector... The list goes on and on.

Why take this chance with our federal politics?

Keep in mind as well, the way the NDP works is they are "united" , so with that a premiere must 100% side with their federal counterpart. If Mulcair wins and says "fuck the oilsands" , Notley would have to bend over and take it in the ass and parrot "Fuck the oil sands" while Alberta suffers. With conservatives (PC or Wild Rose) , there isn't this level of commradery that he NDP has. It's been interesting to see Notley behave since she's been voted in.

Harper visits and Notley tries to pin flood mitigation on him and say the federal government has to pay for it - but when the PC's were in power, she was lobbying saying the PC's weren't doing enough for flood mitigation since 2013. Then she acts like the victim when Harper calls out the NDP being a disaster here. Congrats sweety, Con's get us into a "13 billion dollar deficit" , only for her to finally settle in then announce "JK GUYS! It's a 1 billion SURPLUS!" , but hey with only 9 weeks in power we're 6 billion in the hole with NDP

Also convenient Notley doesn't want to release her budget until she sees if her overlord Mulcair gets in or not...

The perfect storm: Mulcair wins and Trump wins - Trump will announce that he has criminals to the south of America, Communists to the north - and shut down the borders :rofl:

As Toma put it so eloquently , we do 80% of our trading with the states. Imagine NDP halting/slowing down production of oil... http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/ndp-candidate-raises-eyebrows-with-oil-sands-comment/article25897808/

They think we're in a recession now? Good fucking luck bandaging the damage the NDP would cause. The only industry in a recession right now in Canada is the oil sector, and unfortunately it's our largest one. Stopping the pipelines isn't going to fix the issue.

[HiTempguy1]

^^^Actually, oil only accounts for 16% of Canada's gdp.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/gdps04a-eng.htm

Also, Alberta isn't $6bil in the hole, the NDP has allowed up to $6bil of borrowing.

Not saying you are wrong on anything, but the PCs last year authorized $7bil worth of borrowing IF necessary.

[Toma]

Failed "interference" and selling arms policy....

Isis captures 2300 US Hum Vees....

http://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/isis-has-dollar1b-worth-of-american-humvees/ar-BBkupdK

Maybe winter jackets to Sirians is a better idea after all.

[dirtsniffer]

And then the NDP went ahead and borrowed it without explaining why they needed it.

[Toma]

^^^

Oh, I dunno, our substandard schools, hospitals, roads, job creation....

[D88]

There's no way I'm voting Conservative. I know Alberta in general will re-elect Conservative but I have a lot of faith that the rest of the country will get Harper out. I'm still undecided but I'm leaning towards Liberal perhaps.

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by dirtsniffer
And then the NDP went ahead and borrowed it without explaining why they needed it.

No, they didn't :dunno: Please provide a news article or press release about this. If you don't, I am calling bullshit on you. I dont mind if anyone dislikes the NDP, but at least have your facts straight on WHY you dislike them.

I'm very interested in you saying this, as I can't find anything saying they've already borrowed the complete $6bil. If you don't understand the difference between authorizing and utilizing...

[Nitro5]

I find it humorous that Toma keeps harping on about the Conservative spending. He seems to forget that outside of the last term it has been minority governments where all parties had to pass the budget and both the Grits and NDP wanted more spending and higher debt. They wanted even more spending, but these budgets were compromises on all sides. The deficits have been declining since the Conservatives have had full control over the budget.

But don't let all the facts get in the way of your warped views.

I'm not a fan of the Cons, but I take a balanced look from all sides. I don't trust the NDP because I've lived under their governments in the past and they were just as corrupt as the outgoing PCs were throwing money at their friends as well.

I am a very central person and the most of the time agree with Liberal policy, but I don't trust the Liberals because they decided to go with flash with no substance with JT. Really I'm disappointed on all sides this time out.

[masoncgy]

Originally posted by Nitro5
I am a very central person and the most of the time agree with Liberal policy, but I don't trust the Liberals because they decided to go with flash with no substance with JT. Really I'm disappointed on all sides this time out.

Yes, that's where I'm at, too.

I haven't voted for the Liberals since 2004 though... and 2015 will be no different. The party hasn't had a decent leader since Chretien/Martin and has floundered under a bunch of lackluster leaders since then, with the NDP becoming a far greater force in the federal arena as a result.

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by Nitro5
I'm not a fan of the Cons, but I take a balanced look from all sides. I don't trust the NDP because I've lived under their governments in the past and they were just as corrupt as the outgoing PCs were throwing money at their friends as well.

I am a very central person and the most of the time agree with Liberal policy, but I don't trust the Liberals because they decided to go with flash with no substance with JT. Really I'm disappointed on all sides this time out.

Over all, I prefer to vote for none of them, as IMO, none of them are even close to a true Democracy. I'm not just referring to a political Democracy, but also the more important definition of a Democracy. That is, Civil rights.

If humans survive the upcoming doom of oil depletion )ya right), the history books will look back at the general political system and describe it as, archaic, corrupt, and savage. Ruled by a few that exploit the rest of us.

...and yes, Toma nailed it with word "slavery", but like the Damsel in Distress, her mistake was in thinking that the Conservatives put her there, and that some other party was going to save her. Thing is, that other party, or "night in shining armor", was the same thing with a different name. They coerced her out, raped her, and went back to begging for the same shit.

BTW. In before the proverbial, "but Seth, slavery was abolished". Umm, that's because the Corporations and the Government told you such things to the main stream media that THEY OWN.

Those fuckers rely on human slavery.

So anyway. Piss off.

[codetrap]

.

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by codetrap
LOL.. main stream media, circa 1883, or 1865 in the US. But hey, if you can think of a better system than the current market based system, feel free to start a new thread with how you feel the world should work.

Given your brainwashed reply in general, I doubt you would get it anyway.

FFS. You don't even see the contradiction between your first and second point.

[killramos]

So based on this thread I think i have narrowed down who we have the choice to vote for:

Conservative
http://orig08.deviantart.net/42a1/f/2011/097/a/a/blue_hitler_by_lalalasasunarulalala-d3dfuwf.jpg

Liberal
http://img.costumecraze.com/images/vendors/forum/59990-large.jpg

NDP

http://chineseposters.net/images/e15-560.jpg

Green
http://www.troll.me/images/yoda-senses/here-to-troll-yoda-is.jpg

Bloc?
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/328472/images/r-DUCEPPE-large570.jpg

[Toma]

Originally posted by Nitro5


I am a very central person and the most of the time agree with Liberal policy, but I don't trust the Liberals because they decided to go with flash with no substance with JT. Really I'm disappointed on all sides this time out.

I'm confused, as the Liberals policy is front and centre on their site, and looks pretty good.

Better than Harper's "Bribe everyone", and then later steal from the poor, and offer more corporate welfare....

Maybe it's just me.....

[Toma]

Originally posted by killramos
So based on this thread I think i have narrowed down who we have the choice to vote for:

Conservative
http://orig08.deviantart.net/42a1/f/2011/097/a/a/blue_hitler_by_lalalasasunarulalala-d3dfuwf.jpg

Liberal
http://img.costumecraze.com/images/vendors/forum/59990-large.jpg

NDP

http://chineseposters.net/images/e15-560.jpg

Green
http://www.troll.me/images/yoda-senses/here-to-troll-yoda-is.jpg

Bloc?
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/328472/images/r-DUCEPPE-large570.jpg

LOL, at least as far as perceptions go....

Not bad.

[Sugarphreak]

...

[killramos]

And an actual summary of key campaign positions thus far that I found. Seems relatively unbiased.

Useful for people on here actually interested in learning more about the election etc. :dunno:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/killramos/6C1FF983-97B2-45D5-8255-55329E5DDAF7.jpg

[Toma]

Originally posted by killramos
And an actual summary of key campaign positions thus far that I found. Seems relatively unbiased.

Useful for people on here actually interested in learning more about the election etc. :dunno:

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/killramos/6C1FF983-97B2-45D5-8255-55329E5DDAF7.jpg

Well, stated positions, versus actual actions, in the case of Harper...

Don't forget, criminal offense to travel to areas he decides are terrorist hell holes, unless you PROVE you need to go there.

He also unprotected the environment, large numbers of lakes and rivers and bodies of water, believes in corporate welfare, and perpetual debt, at the cost of services to people, and families.

Bribes to voters.

Is clueless about our economy, OR openly lied when he said the contraction was only in Oil and Gas....

Convicted and jailed party members receive Pension greater than what most Canadians will ever earn.

Helped stop a UN plan to rid the world of nuclear weapons.

Gave child care money to people that don't need childcare money, as a apparent bribe.

Spent more money auditing Charities, than tracking terrorist money.

Too good for the media, and interviews....

Stolen from Veterans.

Sold off taxpayer assets to cover irresponsible budget shortfall... and still failed...

Did I miss anything? For sure, but that's what comes to mind....

But I digress, that would be too long of a "inform voters" poster. lol

[Toma]

Oh, and didnt they spend something like $250 million on spin doctors, and propagandists, just in 2014?

But I can't have mail to my door?

[Toma]

Christ!!! How did I forget the Harper regime trying to silence scientists??

http://globalnews.ca/news/2007611/breaking-the-silence-government-scientist-speaks-about-culture-of-fear/
http://globalnews.ca/news/2005043/what-scientists-being-muzzled-looks-like-in-the-real-world/
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/episodes/2013-2014/the-silence-of-the-labs


Nope, nothing to see here.... Just a dictator wanna be.

[schocker]

Originally posted by Toma
He also unprotected the environment, large numbers of lakes and rivers and bodies of water...

http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/27040/did-canada-go-from-2-5-million-protected-lakes-and-rivers-to-just-159
Oh OK. :facepalm:
The same environmental protections of water bodies still stand.