The anti-government and CONspiricy thread (graphic photo warning)

[Toma]

And dont let the $250million fool you, no money was actually given. The shit was just handed over for free.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/us-saudi-firms-to-buy-former-canadian-wheat-board/article23966156/?service=mobile

[JRSC00LUDE]

Well, like you, I know nothing about farming but I do know a metric shit ton of real farmers were glad to see it go by the wayside.

Myself, I can't say if it's right or wrong at the end of the day.

:dunno:

[suntan]

:zzz:http://adscam.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341bfa1853ef0147e386fd61970b-800wi

[Toma]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
Well, like you, I know nothing about farming but I do know a metric shit ton of real farmers were glad to see it go by the wayside.

Myself, I can't say if it's right or wrong at the end of the day.

:dunno:

As with all things lately, you are talking out your ass.

62% of farmers voted to keep it as is back in 2011.

But NO ONE voted to privatize it, and give up control, and give control to Saudis.

[ZenOps]

Sooo... The reign was passed from the British Crown to a Saudi Crown?

Whats the difference? no difference.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by Toma


As with all things lately, you are talking out your ass.

62% of farmers voted to keep it as is back in 2011.

But NO ONE voted to privatize it, and give up control, and give control to Saudis.

Any disagreement with you is talking about of our collective ass, you've made that clear.

So 38% isn't a shit ton? Who said a majority? Me? I don't think so?

You don't know sweet jack shit about the wheat board that you didn't read on wikipedia, you mostly don't like this because it happened on the conSERVative watch. Also, if you actually READ what I said, it's clear I have no position on it. At least I can pick up my phone and personally phone a wheat farmer who is glad to see it go. How about you? Have you ever talked to a farmer about it so you know what someone who makes a living that way thinks? Not likely, you're just spamming an opinion piece.

I just want you to start actually having a conversation and saying WHY you think all the things you hammer the board with. This election has turned you from a poster to little more than a spammer. No input, no thought, just post and spam away. :bullshit:

[suntan]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
No input, no thought, just post and spam away. :bullshit: So the same as always?

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by suntan
So the same as always?

No I wouldn't say so. As I've said before, I've often enjoyed his viewpoints on things in the past. Before he became just a myopic Arash style re-poster of things that support his view....

Toma, did you know Canola growers have always got along just fine without a Canola Board? The "free market" hasn't put any of them out of business or left their fate in the hands of the Saudi's.

But thanks for the fear-mongering, how conSERVative of you. :)

Time will tell if it actually hurts anything other than your feelings but till then, for the love of God, have a position beyond "This is bad mmmmkay you idiots!".

[Sugarphreak]

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[suntan]

They can still purchase stuff, but they used to be the only buyer in Canada (i.e. all farmers had to sell to them). They no longer have a purchasing monopoly.

[suntan]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE


No I wouldn't say so. As I've said before, I've often enjoyed his viewpoints on things in the past. Before he became just a myopic Arash style re-poster of things that support his view....

Toma, did you know Canola growers have always got along just fine without a Canola Board? The "free market" hasn't put any of them out of business or left their fate in the hands of the Saudi's.

But thanks for the fear-mongering, how conSERVative of you. :)

Time will tell if it actually hurts anything other than your feelings but till then, for the love of God, have a position beyond "This is bad mmmmkay you idiots!". He has great difficulty understanding virtually every economic concept (for fuck's sake, he doesn't even comprehend inflation). Anything more complicated and he's totally off-base.

[Nitro5]

Originally posted by suntan
They can still purchase stuff, but they used to be the only buyer in Canada (i.e. all farmers had to sell to them). They no longer have a purchasing monopoly.

They were the only buyer western farmers could use. Ontario grain farmers could sell privately.

[SKR]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
Toma, did you know Canola growers have always got along just fine without a Canola Board? The "free market" hasn't put any of them out of business or left their fate in the hands of the Saudi's.

Last time this came up in turned into a whole big thing, and I'd rather not get too deep into it again, but you can't directly compare the two crops. That there's no pulse or oilseed board isn't an argument for not having a wheat board.

Having said that, the sky hasn't fallen like I though it might. Although there was a period where the rail lines weren't shipping grain, and farmers had to sit there because they no longer had someone to push for them, so it hasn't been completely smooth sailing either.

[JRSC00LUDE]

True, but if you made apple to apple comparisons it would go against the grain of most of his threads.... :dunno:

[dirtsniffer]

The CWB doesn't control Canadian Wheat. Toma is clearly misinterpreting facts to push his own socialist agenda. The only thing missing is him blaming harper for privatizing the wheat industry.

[revelations]

Originally posted by dirtsniffer
The CWB doesn't control Canadian Wheat. Toma is clearly misinterpreting facts to push his own socialist agenda. The only thing missing is him blaming harper for privatizing the wheat industry.

Exactly, thats pure horseshit on his part. Fix that right now.

The CWB is controlled 49.9% by the farmers of Canada, and 50.1% by Global Grain Group which is a joint venture between Bunge Canada and SALIC Canada, which itself is a subsidiary of the Saudi Agricultural and Livestock Investment Company.

I dont like Harper personally, but utter bullshit needs to take a walk. The Saudis do not control the former Wheat board.

[Toma]

They have been wrenching up government spending year after year. Around doubled spending in the last 10 -15 years.

Last year they blew right around 40 Billion.

This year with their 2015 budget that went in affect April, will see almost $50 billion spent, with a $6.5 billion deficit.

Deficit almost avery year during $90 average oil....

Joe Ceci vows not to hurt workers, but as the true damage done comes to light, its pretty scary.

What a colossal CON job.

Amazing it took Albertans this long to catch on.

[revelations]

At least the CWB is owned 100% by the Saudis.

[Toma]

Originally posted by revelations
At least the CWB is owned 100% by the Saudis.

Not 100%....

But the gutting of Alberta has been thorough.

[Gart]

You're way behind quota.. Step it up man..

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[Toma]

Step right up, place your bets!

What do you think?

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/politics/pamela-wallin-senate-expenses-rcmp-crown-1.3211188

[Toma]

Originally posted by Gart
You're way behind quota.. Step it up man..

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disclaimer: the blue colour was completely unintentional (MS excel default).


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I been starting them. Beyond gestapo moving them to the Harper thread, even when they don't belong ;-).

Ill do better, Slowed down a bit too while I was in Vegas lol.

[Gart]

Although I'm making light fun elsewhere
Here's the non mobile link for the same story (easier to read formatting IMHO):

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pamela-wallin-senate-expenses-rcmp-crown-1.3211188

[kaput]

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[kaput]

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[ZenOps]

Lets look at some dollar figures.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/07/24/bev_oda_repaid_five_inappropriate_expenses_following_lavish_spending_story.html

"Lavish" is considered to be a $208 dinner for four in London. That she paid for someone other than herself was probably out of line, but still - I do know of people who will spend 10x that much for Rock concert tickets.

$16 glass of orange juice in London? London is a damn expensive place yknow. Maybe three times the price of what might be considered normal, but still - Its london, where they charge by the gram for Devonshire cream in your coffee.

There are times that I think the Conservative government is on a witchhunt based on gold prices in 1971.

[killramos]

Originally posted by ZenOps
Lets look at some dollar figures.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2012/07/24/bev_oda_repaid_five_inappropriate_expenses_following_lavish_spending_story.html

"Lavish" is considered to be a $208 dinner for four in London. That she paid for someone other than herself was probably out of line, but still - I do know of people who will spend 10x that much for Rock concert tickets.

$16 glass of orange juice in London? London is a damn expensive place yknow. Maybe three times the price of what might be considered normal, but still - Its london, where they charge by the gram for Devonshire cream in your coffee.



Most reasonable thing Zenops has said in a long time :nut:

[googe]

Damn, that's it? 89coupe spends more than that on lunch

[Seth1968]

This type of political corruption is just the tip of the iceberg, but a good start none the less. Next step is to end corporate lobbying/funding, followed by an end to a party based government.

For some reason, I'm reminded of Harper's "tough on crime" BS. Don't even get me started on that.

BTW- If you despise Harper and the Conservatives in general, you're delusional if you think any other main stream party will be any better.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by kaput
. I think Harper has overstayed his welcome, but the cure may be worse than the disease.

So is chemo, its terrible, but also more effective than letting the cancer remain status quo.

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by ZenOps
Lets look at some dollar figures.


I hope no one ever FOIPs me :rofl:

But seriously Beyond, DON'T DO IT :angel:

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


So is chemo, its terrible, but also more effective than letting the cancer remain status quo.

BS.

Start a new topic.

[tirebob]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


So is chemo, its terrible, but also more effective than letting the cancer remain status quo.

That is kind of how I look at putting in someone other than Harper. It is going to be painful and destructive for few years, but it is needed to get rid of the disease...

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by kaput
I don't know how accurate the list is, but I recognize a lot of the names on it. The federal election feels a lot like Alberta's election. I think Harper has overstayed his welcome, but the cure may be worse than the disease.

I think regardless who's in power, the % of bad apples would be the same.

You will never get 100% clean politicians.

[Toma]

Pointless? How so? The true level of waste and spending is just starting to come to light....

[Toma]

Crazy....
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/09/02/uninhabitable-un-report-says-total-destruction-gaza-nearly-complete

[killramos]

good riddance

[codetrap]

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[dirtsniffer]

don't worry, neither has Toma.

[Robin Goodfellow]

Originally posted by killramos
good riddance

Ya genocide is awsome!!!

[revelations]

I hear that parts of Syria, as well as Iraq fit in the same category. Come think of it, Novaya Zemlya as well (worlds largest Nuclear detonation).

[Toma]

It's never enough....

This is why they killed environmental protection apparently.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/lakes-across-canada-face-being-turned-into-mine-dump-sites-1.733972

[Toma]

As refugees flee mid east instability, craziness, ISIS...

Is this the best we can do? Why do we continue to support war, governments like Saudi dictstors. and America who create these groups, like Al Qaeda, ISIS etc.

This picture breaks my heart. He drowned along with his younger brother, and mother.

http://america.aljazeera.com/content/ajam/articles/2015/9/2/syrians-refugees-drown-wash-ashore-in-turkey/jcr:content/mainpar/adaptiveimage/src.adapt.960.high.refugee_baby_090215.1441241402437.jpg
http://m0.joe.ie/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/02164015/Syrian-child-2.jpg

[Tik-Tok]

Fucking christ man, put a pic warning on your title.

[ragu]

^Iraq: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07rETBLslrk

Iraq: Israeli lobbying done right.

Palestine: Pretty much the only place where apartheid and genocide is fine.

[kobe tai]

just read about that. the world can be a shitty place

[schocker]

Uh, the protections removed were to do with navigation, not enviornmental protection. That is still applicable to water bodies so in this case you must be saying then that the conservatives made this loophole in the fisheries act which you will have to back up with some kind of evidence.


Under the Fisheries Act, it's illegal to put harmful substances into fish-bearing waters. But, under a little-known subsection known as Schedule Two of the mining effluent regulations, federal bureaucrats can redefine lakes as "tailings impoundment areas."

[Toma]

The two innocent boys....

http://www.independent.co.uk/img/rO0ABXQAd2Z7aHR0cDovL3d3dy5pbmRlcGVuZGVudC5jby51ay9pbmNvbWluZy9hcnRpY2xlMTA0ODM3ODEuZWNlL2FsdGVybmF0ZXMvdzQ2MC93ZWItcmVmdWdlZS1jcmlzaXMtNy10d2l0dGVyLmpwZ31mNzc3N2YzNjB0.jpg

[BrknFngrs]

Wasn't there a policy about keeping all this garbage in one thread?:rolleyes:

[AE92_TreunoSC]

I'm officially sick of these threads, I always click on them, realize who the author is and exit out.

[dirtsniffer]

Article written in 2008...

[Lex350]

Accuracy isn't a consideration if Toma is able to attack the conservatives.....nothing new here.

[CompletelyNumb]

Originally posted by codetrap
Disclaimer: I haven't read the article yet...



Originally posted by dirtsniffer
don't worry, neither has Toma.



Originally posted by dirtsniffer
Article written in 2008...


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Toma is such a moron.

[killramos]

Sounds like Beyond mods are going to have to go to 24hr ops as Toma tries to squeak these in while people sleep.

:rofl:

[suntan]

Originally posted by CompletelyNumb









:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Toma is such a moron. http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll6alkhJvN1qhmajfo1_500.jpg

[revelations]

Originally posted by Toma


Not 100%....



Oh so your title statement "Saudis control Canadian wheat board" does NOT imply they have majority control? WTF are you talking about.

[Toma]

Holy hell.... the plot thickens.

The PMOs office halted Refugee claims months ago.

Screening for refugees with communites that vote CON? Looks that way.

http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/election/pmo-sought-political-gain-in-prioritizing-certain-syrian-refugees-sources-1.2601028

wow.

[FraserB]

Weren't you told to keep your politarding to one thread?

[Toma]

Originally posted by FraserB
Weren't you told to keep your politarding to one thread?

quick, you ninny, hit the report thread button!!!

:nut:

[revelations]

And here all this time youre spewing utter horseshit about the Saudis controlling the wheat board.

[spikerS]

Originally posted by revelations
And here all this time youre spewing utter horseshit about the Saudis controlling the wheat board.

He can't... He is banned! :eek:

[Graham_A_M]

Wow, never saw this one coming.... well I kind of did... but... jeez.

[Go4Long]

Oh snap. Took way longer than I expected, but still surprised to see him manage to get banned (mostly because I've seen him get people worked up for YEARS and not get himself banned)

[Robin Goodfellow]

Wow.

Any statement as to why he was banned?

[Robin Goodfellow]

"Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people, in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome. Group members try to minimize conflict and reach a consensus decision without critical evaluation of alternative viewpoints, by actively suppressing dissenting viewpoints, and by isolating themselves from outside influences"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink

[Sugarphreak]

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[killramos]

Well he had broken damn near every forum rule at some point in time and had to be told on multiple occasions by the owner of the site to stop.

I don't like to see anyone who isn't threatening etc. banned but you would have to have your head pretty far in the sand to wonder what he did to get banned.

[ickyflex]

Now we can have legit discussions

[rage2]

Originally posted by Robin Goodfellow
"Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people, in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome. Group members try to minimize conflict and reach a consensus decision without critical evaluation of alternative viewpoints, by actively suppressing dissenting viewpoints, and by isolating themselves from outside influences"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink
That must be it, because everyone here votes for the CONservatives.

Oh wait, we don't. :rofl:

[Robin Goodfellow]

Originally posted by killramos
Well he had broken damn near every forum rule at some point in time and had to be told on multiple occasions by the owner of the site to stop.

I don't like to see anyone who isn't threatening etc. banned but you would have to have your head pretty far in the sand to wonder what he did to get banned.

It's funny - I've endured downright rude and abusive behavior from various members at this site, but just shrug it off as part of the culture here.

And I certainly wouldn't support anyone being banned for being a prick, or the site would empty out pretty fast.

I know Toma's politics rub folks here the wrong way, but I certainly don't see that he's been any bolder in his banner than anyone else on here.

As far as I can tell, concern his conduct are a merely a pretense - He was banned for promoting his political views.

[rage2]

Originally posted by Robin Goodfellow
As far as I can tell, concern his conduct are a merely a pretense - He was banned for promoting his political views.
So how come we haven't banned anyone else for promoting similar political views?

http://forums.beyond.ca/st/394636/2-weeks-left-who-gets-your-x/

Hrm, looks like there's 101 other members we need to ban... :rofl:

[A790]

Originally posted by Robin Goodfellow
As far as I can tell, concern his conduct are a merely a pretense - He was banned for promoting his political views.
Please. Arash/Thales were around for quite a long time despite their political opinions being very different than the majority. They were both eventually banned due their behaviour, not their opinions.

Seth1968, BigMass, and Modelexis are examples of members that have wildly different views than most but are still here because they don't act like dbags.

You've formulated a conclusion based on limited information and a very limited investigation. Honestly, I've come to expect better from you Robin.

I don't agree with a lot of what you say, but I do find what you say to at least be thought out and well presented. What's changed? :dunno: