Hillary against Keystone XL.

[ZenOps]

http://time.com/4045389/hillary-clinton-keystone-xl-pipeline/


Bwahahaha!

[suntan]

Bill laid more than enough pipe for her.

[ExtraSlow]

The decision was always going to be political, and this announcement is just her way of strengthening her appeal with certain groups.

We're reaching a point where it may be politically impossible to ever build another large oil-transmission pipeline in any direction out of Alberta.

[dirtsniffer]

Originally posted by suntan
Bill laid more than enough pipe for her.
hahah fuck yes. comment of the day

[lilmira]

she's a pipeblock? you don't say.

[btimbit]

So she's basically saying she doesn't know what she's talking about.


Then again, everyone knew she was a dumb cunt already

[Xtrema]

Don't know why this is news worthy, Obama has cock blocked us for 8 years and nothing will change with another Democrat as prez.

She is only saying this because she is losing to Sanders who is against it.

[Inzane]

Originally posted by ZenOps
Bwahahaha!

You think that's funny... why? :dunno:

[ickyflex]

Originally posted by Inzane


You think that's funny... why? :dunno:

One of the crazies on this on this board who seem to think holding back economic progression is good

[killramos]

Honestly though. Has anyone thought this pipeline was going to go through in the last 2 years?

I 100% gave up on it after the last presidential election-delay cycle. 4 years ago.

I bet if it got approved even transcanada would be floored and wouldn't even be ready any more :rofl:

[ZenOps]

I don't think that Keystone XL was all that well thought out with to start with.

Albertan economy being almost solely dependant (because of all your eggs in one basket economic policies of certain governments) on oil.

I mean sure, its great to exploit a resource that is plentiful - but its also extremely wasteful to being driving two ton vehicles to deliver two pound pieces of bread with some cheese on top (The pizza delivery) Or for that matter, burning two million pounds of jetfuel to deliver two pounds of bread with cheese 250 miles up (the Space Station pizza delivery)

Albertans have this strange idea that burning smoke is somehow "progress" when most of the time, its just space station pizza deliveries.

The consensus in the US is - that they are tired of consuming to the point where more people die of obesity and obesity related health issues than starvation for the first time in history. They are also tired of consuming their childrens prosperity, where they have to payback nations like Canada and Iran and Iraq, 16 Trillion dollars worth of debt - that is really currently only paid back with California porn, Ipads, and Facebook.

Oil is an addiction to the US. They want to stop or at least slow the 20 pounds of oil per person per day consumption. Heaven knows they could use a diet on all aspects of consumption.

Harper is pushing the drugs up the noses of the US. But the US increasingly - does not want to be high every day. Thats my take.

[Toma]

Perfect!!

Its pretty obvious she's gonna be the next president. I was really hoping for Bernie Sanders, but seems his immense popularity is at least pushing her in the right direction on some issues.

America slowly coming out of the dark ages lol. And I would never have guessed they woukd have had their first black president, before their first female president.

Now, I wonder how long till they have their first brown, or atheist president?

haha

[ExtraSlow]

The US has no intention of stopping or cutting back it's diet of cheap energy. They just have the luxury of blocking additional imports now that they have increased their own production.

[killramos]

Originally posted by ZenOps
I don't think that Keystone XL was all that well thought out with to start with.


Why don't you explain why with reasons that are actually based in reality?

It's twin pipeline is a model of success and somehow hasn't single handedly ruined all of the united states watersheds or had any measurable effect on greenhouse gas emissions. Weird right?

Its not going to happen because lets be honest any petroleum pipeline that the public gets wind of these days isn't going to happen because the general public is stupid and uninformed on the issue.

Honestly i think that if the cbc got wind of a flowline from a wellhead on lease to a right of way 100m down the road they would find a way to stop it. You know, one of those things of which hundreds are built in this province on a daily basis.

[dirtsniffer]

Might take a few more urban train derailments before pipelines are seen as what they are.

Which is the safest way to transport fluids.

[killramos]

I wonder if Hillary will commit to shutting down the California Oil Sands ( one of the most carbon intensive operations in the world) as well if she feels so strongly about it.

Oh wait that stance won't win her primary votes :nut:

[sexualbanana]

Anyone who is surprised by her statement obviously hasn't been paying attention. But I don't think it's an indictment on her intelligence or her political stance. Alberta has been losing the PR battle on this for years simply by refusing to engage in the public debate.

[ZenOps]

Originally posted by dirtsniffer
Might take a few more urban train derailments before pipelines are seen as what they are.

Which is the safest way to transport fluids.

Sure, but does the US need more carbon fuels? You don't build drinking straw out of a 4-inch PVC pipe if you are only drinking seven ounces of coca cola.

Canada and Harper are probably far too indoctrinated into the idea that the US thirst for oil is limitless. Look at it from a realists view, what are you actually running out of, what is being taken away and not being replaced.

Its definitely not oil, I'd say pennies and nickels.

[CanmoreOrLess]

My God! When did I start to agree with ZenOps? Is it a tumour? Is it? Will I live long enough to see the Flames win another cup?

[Inzane]

Originally posted by ZenOps

Sure, but does the US need more carbon fuels?



And who should decide that?

TransCanada had a business plan. They wouldn't have invested billions if there weren't customers on BOTH ends of the pipe expecting to utilize the extra pipeline capacity.

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by ZenOps


Sure, but does the US need more carbon fuels?

Consumer need is secondary to consumer want ;)

[ZenOps]

Depends on who you ask as to whether or not extra capacity would be used.

But as far as numbers go, the US consumed 17 million barrels per day in 1977, and guess what they consume now? About 17 million barrels per day.

I mean, oil is like water - when you don't have enough of it things totally suck. But as long as there is enough to meet demand - other than repairing existing infrastructure, expansion is a tough sell.

You can try to force US citizens to do more space station pizza deliveries, and take more weekend roundtrip vacations to Hawaii and Alaska - but only to an extent. Right now in Carlsbad, they are burning $2,000 worth of carbon fuels to produce one acre foot of drinkable water. Does that mean that oil, or water is more valuable?

[Inzane]

Originally posted by ZenOps
Depends on who you ask as to whether or not extra capacity would be used.

But as far as numbers go, the US consumed 17 million barrels per day in 1977, and guess what they consume now? About 17 million barrels per day.

You're not taking into account the sources of the oil changing over the last 4 decades.

Keystone XL (and the first Keystone pipeline, which is operational already) was intended to ship diluted bitumen and synthetic crude oil, not conventional crude.