Marijuana infinately worse than Tobacco.

[Toma]

What do you think?

""Tobacco is a product that does a lot of damage. Marijuana is infinitely worse and it's something that we do not want to encourage,"

A prominant Canadian policy maker said this yesterday. I wont name him or her for fear of being silenced....

Im wondering what research he/she is referring to, to make such a claim??

[ekguy]

You would never need to identify such a stupid statement to anyone as it's clear it's harper...he's a goof and I believe his time is done.

he's a lunatic and a moron if he thinks that statement makes any real sense...

[Toma]

Originally posted by ekguy
You would never need to identify such a stupid statement to anyone as it's clear it's harper...he's a goof and I believe his time is done.

he's a lunatic and a moron if he thinks that statement makes any real sense...

SHUSH!

You shall not speak the name thst shall not be spoken on a site who's members worship the ground he pisses on!!

[Robin Goodfellow]

Originally posted by Toma
What do you think?

""Tobacco is a product that does a lot of damage. Marijuana is infinitely worse and it's something that we do not want to encourage,"

A prominant Canadian policy maker said this yesterday. I wont name him or her for fear of being silenced....

Im wondering what research he/she is referring to, to make such a claim??

You know they're out of touch if they think people actually *smoke* marijuana.

[Unknown303]

Originally posted by Robin Goodfellow


You know they're out of touch if they think people actually *smoke* marijuana.

I steep mine and then butt chug it.

[J.M.]

Snorting marijuana instead

[theken]

I inject 1 marijuana

[Toma]

I have no idea, all the medical proponents tell me they eat it in salad, sprinkle the oil on their balls, put it on their wrinkles.... hell, I even know guys that says he blends it in his protein shake.

But I agree, it's a gateway drug, and will lead to a country full of neurotic morons strung out on fentanil and heroine, who will hold up "give peace a chance" signs.

So I can see why the name that shall not be spoken is so against it....

[btimbit]

It's certainly one point I wish he'd relax on. I hate the stuff personally but as long as it's not allowed in public I don't give a shit

[ZenOps]

Ear drops.

[sabad66]

So it sounds like you agree with his view to keep it illegal, but because it's Harper you still have to throw a jab in at him because of the way he said it?

[Toma]

Originally posted by sabad66
So it sounds like you agree with his view to keep it illegal, but because it's Harper you still have to throw a jab in at him because of the way he said it?

Sarcasm mofo. Sarcasm.

[Toma]

Ralph Nader weighs in on the politics of selling fear that [redacted] uses....

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ralph-nader-stephen-harper-is-selling-the-politics-of-fear-1.2964072

[revelations]

Apparently, studies have shown that regular smoking of dope for YOUNG people (eg. under 20) can, in some cases, alter brain chemistry and thus, brain development in a negative way. It may also lead to further issues down the road eg. Schizophrenia.

But if over 25 then puff away !! :poosie: (I wish it was regulated like regular cigs).

http://www.webmd.com/children/news/20150826/mixed-findings-on-pots-effect-on-the-developing-brain

[Toma]

The biggest affect that has been found is impaired sociological development in young CHRONIC users.

[Tik-Tok]

Well Harper is right. I mean, unlike weed, cigarrettes only affect people under 20, and then there's big marjuana corp advertising to kids, burying information on addictiveness, lying about it's cancerous properties, buying politicians. Plus it's north american roots of using slave labour. Tobacco is so much less harmful.

[Toma]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok
Well Harper is right. I mean, unlike weed, cigarrettes only affect people under 20, and then there's big marjuana corp advertising to kids, burying information on addictiveness, lying about it's cancerous properties, buying politicians. Plus it's north american roots of using slave labour. Tobacco is so much less harmful.

haha, ever see "Thank You For Smoking"??

[Seth1968]

I don't see any reference to the quantity of either tobacco or cannabis. I'm thinking that's really important. But I digress, ask a pot smoker how much they smoke, and they can't remember:)

I'm not so sure Harper is saying what he wants. I mean, this guy supports capital punishment in certain cases :clap:. I suspect he goes to bed at night and thinks, "God, save me from your followers". His Mercer Report sleeping with putting a kid to bed at night? EPIC.

Now above and beyond that, by what right does someone else have the power to imprison you for the choices you make within yourself?

Bottom line:

Religious self righteousness. I can on about it much further, but that disgrace has been triumphed by Capitalism gone awry. That is, slavery and genocide to appease the few fucking greedy old white man.

[A790]

Smoking marijuana does leave high amounts of tar and other pollutants. While not "infinitely" worse than tobacco, it is indeed worse in that respect.

[Robin Goodfellow]

Originally posted by A790
Smoking marijuana does leave high amounts of tar and other pollutants. While not "infinitely" worse than tobacco, it is indeed worse in that respect.

Smoking is for folks stuck in the 20th century.

Don't let harper frame the discussion.

A colleague of mine is a hardcore stoner - And his favorite delivery method is a tincture that he drops under his tongue.

There's also vaporizing, vaping, topical creams, edibles, sublimation... you name it.

Smoking is handy for ad-hoc consumption... But anyone who is doing it regularly will have a more refined delivery method, and the equipment to support it.

[01RedDX]

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[Robin Goodfellow]

I just noticed that Harper said it was *infinitely* worse.

That's the language of hyperbole and fearmongering, not rationality.

[toastgremlin]

Originally posted by Robin Goodfellow
I just noticed that Harper said it was *infinitely* worse.

That's the language of hyperbole and fearmongering, not rationality. To be fair, we know the man isn't good at math.

[ercchry]

Its amazing how many people are still stuck on smoking it, by far the least efficient use of the plant, especially now that medical users are able to use concentrates. 80mg caps are like 0.1g of plant material and keeps you going for about 6hrs, hell you can vaporize it THEN make the caps from the same material... or just burn up 2g in a blunt :nut:

[Robin Goodfellow]

Originally posted by ercchry
Its amazing how many people are still stuck on smoking it, by far the least efficient use of the plant, especially now that medical users are able to use concentrates. 80mg caps are like 0.1g of plant material and keeps you going for about 6hrs, hell you can vaporize it THEN make the caps from the same material... or just burn up 2g in a blunt :nut:

"Smoking Marijuana" is the parlance of the boomer set that Harper caters to.

[revelations]

Originally posted by 01RedDX


People keep citing this like it's gospel, but the only link is that people with a genetic pre-disposition to developing schizophrenia and other mental illnesses are more likely to use it. Correlation =/= causation, even your own link (webMD lol) states that:

How about the effects of heavy alcohol and tobacco use on developing bodies and minds? Two perfectly legal drugs though, which goes to show you, kids should not be using any of them, it's as simple as that.



Not sure where you read that I stated it was EXPLICIT that smoking dope causes issues. Please read again, I said "IT CAN IN SOME CASES".

But yes, regulating dope would be a wise idea. Harper & co are out to lunch with regards to this matter (as well as C51, prostitution laws). Why cant the, semi, somewhat, fiscally prudent Cons just accept that being cons with finances DOESENT mean they have to be draconian with social policy :dunno:

[Robin Goodfellow]

Originally posted by revelations
Apparently, studies have shown that regular smoking of dope for YOUNG people (eg. under 20) can, in some cases, alter brain chemistry and thus, brain development in a negative way. It may also lead to further issues down the road eg. Schizophrenia.

But if over 25 then puff away !! :poosie: (I wish it was regulated like regular cigs).

http://www.webmd.com/children/news/20150826/mixed-findings-on-pots-effect-on-the-developing-brain

This is just FUD. Discussion of obscure scenarios does not advance the discussion.

[Robin Goodfellow]

Originally posted by revelations

Cons just accept that being cons with finances

The conservatives are conservatives with finances? That's news to me.

I thought they were just socially conservative.

[bcylau]

it's only infinitely worse because marijuana isn't openly taxed.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by bcylau
it's only infinitely worse because marijuana isn't openly taxed.

Which can be changed. But like prostitution, you are not going to change conservatives' minds even with money on the table.

[BigMass]

marijuana isn't a monolithic drug, that's why it needs to be legal and regulated. Some strains with high THC can induce psychosis in those predisposed. Others with low THC and high CBD can help treat psychosis. Some are good for medicinal use like pain and insomnia, other's give you energy and keep you awake, and others just get you really stoned. I often wish I could go to a store and buy the strain I want to help with the specific symptoms I need help with. You go to a random dealer on the street and you don't know what you're getting so it's far worse that it's not legal. It causes far more problems than it solves.

Let's not even get into the moral argument of one human having the authority and right to tell another human that they can't use a plant that has been around on planet earth longer than humans have, at the risk of being locked up and having their freedom taken away from them.

[theken]

its super funny that marijuana is one of the most researched products in the drug game, is not legal, yet tobacco and alochol, which are proven deadly, causing a world of problems, with 0 positive effects, only negative, are sold everywhere. What the fuck is wrong with government.

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by BigMass
Let's not even get into the moral argument of one human having the authority and right to tell another human that they can't use a plant that has been around on planet earth longer than humans have, at the risk of being locked up and having their freedom taken away from them.

"Let's not even get into the moral argument"

I know you meant, "Let's get into the moral argument".

And again, no one should have the dictatorial right to tell another one they can and can't do with their body, and then have the self righteousness to imprison them. Welcome to so called freedom and democracy.

In before the proverbial lame argument of, "but...they're hurting themselves and others, so it must be damned". Get a brane.

[kertejud2]

Originally posted by theken
its super funny that marijuana is one of the most researched products in the drug game, is not legal, yet tobacco and alochol, which are proven deadly, causing a world of problems, with 0 positive effects, only negative, are sold everywhere. What the fuck is wrong with government.

There are numerous positive effects of alcohol and even more when you bring the social benefits of drinking into the equation. Like anything, moderation is the key.

On another note, sinking another ship won't make yours sail higher. Especially when the positive effects for the government is $$$.

[Sugarphreak]

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[revelations]

Originally posted by theken
its super funny that marijuana is one of the most researched products in the drug game, is not legal, yet tobacco and alochol, which are proven deadly, causing a world of problems, with 0 positive effects, only negative, are sold everywhere. What the fuck is wrong with government.

:werd:

Even Uncle Sam is (in some places) legalizing marijuana. Canada doesent have to live in the 1900s and this is costing Harper votes.

[BigMass]

Originally posted by revelations


:werd:

Even Uncle Sam is (in some places) legalizing marijuana. Canada doesent have to live in the 1900s and this is costing Harper votes.

there's plenty of 70 year old crusties, racists homophobic bigots and religious wingnuts of all Abrahamic faiths ready to vote for Harper. Lets also not leave out rich atheistic utilitarian psychopathic yuppies that believe money and economics are all that matter in the world.

[Toma]

Originally posted by Robin Goodfellow


Smoking is for folks stuck in the 20th century.

Don't let harper frame the discussion.

A colleague of mine is a hardcore stoner - And his favorite delivery method is a tincture that he drops under his tongue.

There's also vaporizing, vaping, topical creams, edibles, sublimation... you name it.

Smoking is handy for ad-hoc consumption... But anyone who is doing it regularly will have a more refined delivery method, and the equipment to support it.

All of them criminals, deserving of criminal records.

[Robin Goodfellow]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak

I was thinking about this the other day.... I am in favour of legalization, but I started thinking about how much effort we have spent as a society to get people to quite smoking. Do we really want to start encouraging people to pick up another habit which is no doubt going to have similar health impacts.


You assume that legalization will increase adoption. This is unclear.

What's also unclear is how much it will *decrease* alchohol consumption, which I'd consider a net benefit



Originally posted by Sugarphreak

I almost think that legalization should take into account alternative usage systems that are better for your health, as you mentioned... vaping, edibles, drinks, etc. Allow that, but keep smoking banned.

I know you have good intentions with this, but legislating around the delivery system is a pandoras box. What if a newer, improved method is developed, but stays illegal due to the legislative overhead necessary to make it legit?

As it stands now, regular users do anything *but* smoke. I'm no expert, but I'd suggest that there more often a person partakes, the less likely it is they smoke.

There are just so many superior delivery methods now, and consumers, given the choice, are choosing them.

[Sugarphreak]

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[blairtruck]

I would love to do edibles or tinctures but I can't find any dr to sign marijuana papers.
I've had 2 back surgeries and have leg spasms. But can only get leafs from black market so smoking is basically only choice. I use water bong if that's any better for you.

[Canmorite]

Ah Harper, still out of touch with scientific research it seems :rofl:

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by blairtruck
I would love to do edibles or tinctures but I can't find any dr to sign marijuana papers.
I've had 2 back surgeries and have leg spasms. But can only get leafs from black market so smoking is basically only choice. I use water bong if that's any better for you.

Why don't you use a vaporizer?

[BavarianBeast]

Because bong rips go straight to the dome. :rofl:

[sabad66]

Originally posted by blairtruck
I would love to do edibles or tinctures but I can't find any dr to sign marijuana papers.
I've had 2 back surgeries and have leg spasms. But can only get leafs from black market so smoking is basically only choice. I use water bong if that's any better for you.
It's actually pretty easy to make edibles/tinctures on your own. Set aside a few hours on a weekend and you're good for a while. But yes you would still be sourcing the pot from black market.

Re: doctor, have you tried Oasis Medical? Apparently they are one of the only practices in town that support pot treatments. Sounds like you have a legit reason so doesn't hurt to book a consultation with them.
https://oasismedicalmarijuana.ca/

[CompletelyNumb]

I used to smoke when I was a teenager. Tried a vaporizer a few times but didn't like it as much.

Now I see pics of what kids do these days. Blows my mind. Whats this solidified oil on parchment paper? Shatter? Dabs?

Can't blame Harper for being out of touch. I'm 30 and I still think smoking is the number one method of consumption.

[Canucks3322]

You guys do realize that they're not reallly this stupid right?... its all about protecting big pharma and pandering to the religious/conservative vote...

[revelations]

Originally posted by Canucks3322
You guys do realize that they're not reallly this stupid right?... its all about protecting big pharma and pandering to the religious/conservative vote...

So why did several States pass decrim laws then :dunno: One would think that corp pharma has a bigger influence there.

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by Canucks3322
You guys do realize that they're not reallly this stupid right?... its all about protecting big pharma and pandering to the religious/conservative vote...

Not so sure on the former, but the latter? Definitely.

Again, to all of you that consume weed in one way or another. I'm the almighty, and I say you should be imprisoned. I'll pursue that right after I have another shot of vodka, and my cheese burger with an extra serving of porn.

[Canucks3322]

I don't know, I'm just a common man, the powers that be would never let us know. ..

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by Canucks3322
I don't know, I'm just a common man, the powers that be would never let us know. ..

You seem to be inciting some sort of civil unrest, so away with you.

Under MY new law, your statement requires imprisonment.

[blairtruck]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE


Why don't you use a vaporizer?

Bought a vape pen this weekend should arrive in a few days. I have made the edibles before by using the cannibutter. But that was hours of work where I would much rather go to the store and grab a brownie.

[Mista Bob]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Fair enough, but most of the users I know are still hot knifing and rolling doobies. They all have chronically raspy voices from hacking their lungs up everytime they get high as well.

I think this might be a one-time opportunity to influence some of those type of users by combining legalization with a strong stance on less damaging delivery systems.

Smoking pot isn't good for you, and it has nearly all of the negative affects of smoking cigarettes (maybe even worse as there is no filters and I think pot has more oil in it than tobacco).

Combine that with the fact that all the chronics I know are not exactly go-getters... if they could only buy vaping, drinks or edibles they would just switch over out of pure laziness.

What do you suggest they do though, ban lighters? If you can vape it, you can smoke it.
And further banning of things (like say, restricting it to suppositories and tinctures only) will only result in a void that will be filled elsewhere just as it is right now, ultimately resulting in no progress.
This is just a small example of how things never work when the laws are created by people who know nothing of the subject.

Also you are forgetting marijuana isn't packed full of extremely harmful compounds and toxins like cigarettes are.
A more realistic comparison would be smoking marijuana vs nothing but tobacco leafs. Or maybe marijuana with some draino sprinkled on top of it vs regular cigarettes, I don't know. :dunno:

[max_boost]

Marijuana and hookers should both be legal.

[Sugarphreak]

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[sputnik]

So I am assuming that you all will be voting Liberal this time around?

[ercchry]

Originally posted by blairtruck
I would love to do edibles or tinctures but I can't find any dr to sign marijuana papers.
I've had 2 back surgeries and have leg spasms. But can only get leafs from black market so smoking is basically only choice. I use water bong if that's any better for you.

go to van for a weekend, some dispensaries ship and have online menus... a "practitioner" of medicine is a broad scope and does necessarily need to be a medical doctor



Originally posted by sabad66



Re: doctor, have you tried Oasis Medical? Apparently they are one of the only practices in town that support pot treatments. Sounds like you have a legit reason so doesn't hurt to book a consultation with them.
https://oasismedicalmarijuana.ca/

told me my symtoms fit the bill, but i didnt have a long enough history of prescriptions (cause, duh... been using this instead for a few years)... so basically "go to a pain clinic, get a bunch of opiates then come talk to us" uhhh, fuck that



Originally posted by blairtruck


Bought a vape pen this weekend should arrive in a few days. I have made the edibles before by using the cannibutter. But that was hours of work where I would much rather go to the store and grab a brownie.


PAX2 is the shit, some of those lesser pens dont actually vape, they just combust. making butter shouldnt be all that much work, and once you start vaping you just use the vapor poo every now and then, its amazing how quickly it builds up. just made a coconut oil lotion for my sister-in-law who has terrible eczema (took the redness away after one treatment) since the poo is already decarb'ed you just have to toss it on the stove on low (100*C) for an hour, run through cheese cloth to remove the plant, and done. 2min of work, then bake with it as you need, it will last a long time in the fridge... or just buy some caps and fill them with the plant and oil and pop one or two a day

[blairtruck]

Holy shit. $360 for the pax2 vape pen. That's a lot of weed I could just smoke. Like 2 months worth.

[msommers]

This is so fucking ridiculous it's just annoying.

What's in a cigarette? Well according the American Lung Association here are a few key ingredients of the ~600 in total:

Acetone – found in nail polish remover
Acetic Acid – an ingredient in hair dye
Ammonia – a common household cleaner
Arsenic – used in rat poison
Benzene – found in rubber cement
Butane – used in lighter fluid
Cadmium – active component in battery acid
Carbon Monoxide – released in car exhaust fumes
Formaldehyde – embalming fluid
Hexamine – found in barbecue lighter fluid
Lead – used in batteries
Naphthalene – an ingredient in mothballs
Methanol – a main component in rocket fuel
Nicotine – used as insecticide
Tar – material for paving roads
Toluene - used to manufacture paint

Legalization is the only way. It frees up so many more resources that are needed elsewhere and makes the government a shitload of money.

Holy fucking Portugal batman.

[ercchry]

Originally posted by blairtruck
Holy shit. $360 for the pax2 vape pen. That's a lot of weed I could just smoke. Like 2 months worth.

:rofl:

it works incredibly well though, and the savings vs combustion are made up quick. got it on sale though, was only $300 at the local head shop

the magic flight is still the most economical use of plant though, but its tricky to use since its purely analog (ie. your rate of inhale controls temp)

but compared to a nice piece of glass its still relatively inexpensive :rofl:

since switching to a dispensary though and trying all the new products dabs are pretty good too... vaping just the thc basically, and 1g seems to be lasting a loooong time. but the rig for that was almost as much as the pax :nut:

[Mista Bob]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Vaping comes in juices does it not? Edibles are a similar story. So basically if it was made available in processed formats rather than as cigarettes it would go a long way to changing habits.

I know the pro-weed crowd thinks it the super drug that can do no harm; but burning something, and then inhaling it isn't good for you no matter what it is.

I thought hookers paired best with blow?

I never said smoking was healthy, just that it isn't realistic to compare them to cigarettes as cigs obviously will be worse with all the crap added into them. Compare it to purely tobacco and I doubt either would be any worse/better than the other.

And you are correct that is one method of vaping. But people have been vaping long before vape pens were a thing.
Nearly anything that can be smoked can be vaped and that is exactly what many people have been doing.
So by banning "smokable" stuff you are also banning what would be many peoples favorite method of vaping and preventing people from making their own edibles to suit their personal taste.
Different forms of taking in marijuana can all effect people differently, some may not work well for people.
The effect of THC infused e-juice may be undesirable versus the effect of vaping the dried plant matter and so on for all the other forms. And for some individuals edibles do very little or nothing at all.

What would be gained by trying to ban certain things? We already know banning things won't stop people from getting it. The demand won't magically disappear because someone said you shouldn't do it.
The goal here should be crippling criminal operations by ending this demand as much as possible by having a legal alternative that can easily offer massively improved service, quality and safety. Not to mention, lots of tax revenue.

[Inzane]

Someone on Harper's press team should lose their jobs.

It was a stupid gamble, or I don't know what they were even going for with this...

The potential vote LOSSES that might come out of something silly like this will likely be more than the potential gains had he just said something vague and noncommittal leaning a bit to the support side of the marijuana debate.

One motto to go by... If you don't know enough about a topic, avoid talking about it.

[ercchry]

yeah ban on "smoke-able" product is damn near impossible since you can also vape it, eat it, etc, etc... so what do you ban? pipes, bongs, apples?!

[revelations]

Originally posted by max_boost
Marijuana and hookers should both be legal.

Or at the very least, decriminalized.


Originally posted by sputnik
So I am assuming that you all will be voting Liberal this time around?

I will prob vote Cons, but knowing that it will be either fliberal (flip flopping on issues Liberals) or Cons minority. Personally, I would prefer seeing a minority fliberal govt as Harper will prob get the boot after the election is over.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by revelations

Personally, I would prefer seeing a minority fliberal govt as Harper will prob get the boot after the election is over.

http://d2ws0xxnnorfdo.cloudfront.net/meme/164872

[Kloubek]

Cigarette vs joint, I can see elements that are more harmful with weed. It's unfiltered for starters, leading to the potential of more tar. It obviously has an affect on brain chemistry, so it's hard to claim there is no issue there. On the other hand, there aren't all the other chemical additives in weed, so in that regard I imagine it would be safer.

So it really depends on what is being used as a measurement of "harmful". But how many people are a pack-a-day weed smokers? Even my most chronic friends only smoke a few times a day. Harper made a blanket statement which really doesn't have enough detail to be a valid point, but the anti-weed sheep in the country will eat it up, and I'm sure that's what he's banking on with such a vague statement since it sets his party apart from the other two contenders.

I'm not a chronic but fully support decriminalization and legalization. However, it would come with two caveats:

First, only part of the benefit is realized without taxation. Sure, decriminalizing it will help clear up the courts and jails, but it doesn't do anything to remove the criminal sales element, nor does it increase the coffers. In order for the plan to be fully effective, it MUST be controlled and taxed just like alcohol and tobacco is. This is supposedly part of the Liberal plan, but as with most things, they don't exactly go into much detail.

Second, despite what some people say, it DOES negatively affect people's ability to drive. (Yes, I've done it.) Some say they are perfectly fine on it, and maybe they aren't anywhere close to the impairment level of being drunk, but it's a depressant and as such it will change your ability. It's important that, like alcohol, there is a roadside test for it and that there are penalties. The last thing legalization needs is for the nay-sayers to cite examples of where it was said to have contributed to a fatal crash. I'm sure there are document examples of this already, but then, it's not legal as of yet. Though not detailed, the Liberal plan does include screening for those driving under the influence. It would force the introduction of such tests; something that would be useful right now regardless.

Oddly, decriminalization and the prospect of legalization which would bring in 3-5 billion a year is one of the main reasons I'm leaning towards Liberal. (Yes, NDP also have a plan of their own but I'm simply not voting NDP or for Mulcair) The model has been introduced successfully in places like Colorado, and it is just a matter of time before it happens regardless... just not likely under Conservative rule. While I'm hesitant to believe the Liberals are going to make all the right decisions if they win, I have no doubt that we need a party in power who listens to what Canadians want as opposed to running with their own agenda like the Conservatives have done and will continue to do. Sorry, I know the election has a few other threads, but it's hard to respond to this statement Harper made without having politics trickle in.

[Robin Goodfellow]

Originally posted by blairtruck
Holy shit. $360 for the pax2 vape pen. That's a lot of weed I could just smoke. Like 2 months worth.

Vaporizer=For MJ.
Vape=For "E-Juice".

There is a narrow range of hybrid devices, such as the Cloupour, that are Vapes with MJ adapters. They don't work well for plant matter, but do work well for Shatter.

Tabletop "Volcanos" are the gold standard, and are pure awesome, but are more than most people need or can handle.

I've heard that the Pax is worth every penny, if one can afford it.

A reasonably performing and affordable model is the "Puffit" - A vaporizer that looks like an athsma inhaler (How cool is that?). I think they are $100ish.


If you can get Shatter, there are "Vape-like" devices that work for Shatter/Dabs, which can be had for ~$40 if you choose wisely. They are pure awesome - But the challenge is you need access to Shatter. In terms of price/performance, I'd recommend this over a Pax.


I've heard that there are were sites where Canadians can Mail Order Marijuana anonymously.

[Robin Goodfellow]

Originally posted by Inzane
Someone on Harper's press team should lose their jobs.

It was a stupid gamble, or I don't know what they were even going for with this...

The potential vote LOSSES that might come out of something silly like this will likely be more than the potential gains had he just said something vague and noncommittal leaning a bit to the support side of the marijuana debate.


To true. This is a hill he didn't need to die on. He's already locked in the geriatric cohort.

This was a bridge too far.

[codetrap]

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[sputnik]

Originally posted by revelations
Or at the very least, decriminalized.


Decriminalization is worse.

It just legitimizes the black market and leaves the gangs with a monopoly on the market. With no net benefit to the government.

Legalization, regulation and taxation is the sane approach.

[msommers]

I read a NatGeo article about weed benefits a couple months ago that honestly was all new to me. And they have the article in full online here. I think you guys would find it quite interesting, it's an easy and engaging read.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/marijuana/sides-text

[Kloubek]

Originally posted by codetrap
I'd like to address this one. How many cigarettes does the average smoker smoke in a day? Half pack? Thats what.. 10, 15? Can you imagine smoking 10 joints in a day?

http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/marijuanatar.asp

Right. Which is why I said: "But how many people are a pack-a-day weed smokers?". :)

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by sputnik


Legalization, regulation and taxation is the sane approach.

Right, because that totally took the "sales" (pun intended) out of black market/criminal orgs and cigarette sales right?

I'd be fine legalizing it if it was treated like smoking cigarettes and alcohol, anything less and no dice :dunno:

[codetrap]

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[msommers]

"Canada's PM Says Weed Is 'Infinitely Worse' Than Tobacco and Experts Call Bullshit"

https://news.vice.com/article/canadas-pm-says-weed-is-infinitely-worse-than-tobacco-and-experts-call-bullshit?utm_source=vicefbca

[BandW]

Oh, but Harper is perfectly fine with the dairy industry.

Dairy, which contains Insulin-Like Growth Factor (IGF-1) is linked prostate and ovarian cancer in particular.

Keep drinking that milk.

Don't consume marijuana, though. Otherwise you are a degenerate loser.

[kdwebber]

Originally posted by Robin Goodfellow


As it stands now, regular users do anything *but* smoke. I'm no expert, but I'd suggest that there more often a person partakes, the less likely it is they smoke.

There are just so many superior delivery methods now, and consumers, given the choice, are choosing them.

Clearly you are not an expert if you think that the majority of people who are chronics don't smoke. Humans are a creature of habit. Just look how much Emery still hits the bong.

So much misinformation in this thread and most of it appears to be coming from non smokers.

[BigMass]

it's just a matter of time before weed being illegal will be looked upon in the same light as witch burnings.

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by BigMass
it's just a matter of time before weed being illegal will be looked upon in the same light as witch burnings.

Yep.

Again, religion.

[Sugarphreak]

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[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by kdwebber


Clearly you are not an expert if you think that the majority of people who are chronics don't smoke. Humans are a creature of habit. Just look how much Emery still hits the bong.

So much misinformation in this thread and most of it appears to be coming from non smokers.

Yup. Typical babble....

I don't use weed with any regularity but I'd suggest 80% of the people I know who do, either weekly or daily, smoke it. :dunno:

Some use vaporizers, almost none ingest. But they're recreational and not medical users. With more access to more products, those numbers would change.