View Full Version : The coin car wash brush did the deed..
Edo123
10-24-2015, 10:07 PM
So I took my car for a coin wash the other day for the first time ever and I used the car wash brush to clean it using their foam. It never occurred to me that I should have washed the brush before using it on my car. And lo and behold, the paint ended up with minor scratches on some prominent places on the body. I am really regretting using the coin wash brush. Can someone tell me what can I do to get rid of those scratch marks? Is there a wax that will "fill" them or make them invisible for good?
PS. The paint colour is black.
Thank you guys!
CanmoreOrLess
10-24-2015, 10:16 PM
You'll get burnt once by a brush and never use one again. NEVER AGAIN! Scratched my car to the primer on one area a few years ago.
I think I saw some coloured wax at Canadian Tire. Black ought to be an easy cover up with the right wax. Try and avoid scratch cover up in the bottle as it never looks right.
Dumbass17
10-24-2015, 10:16 PM
Sorry to hear that dude.
I'll always remember my dad taught me never to use those brushes as a kid, never have, never will, for exactly this reason.
That's all I got. Unlucky way to learn:barf:
Matty_10
10-24-2015, 10:41 PM
Couple options
1) Head down to Canadian tire and pick up some Meguiars Ultimate polish and have at er by hand which will get the minor swirls out. Wax.
2) Order in some poorboys blackhole glaze, apply, then wax over it which will give a couple months temporary fix.
3) Buy buffer or take it to a sponsor? And get it compounded out.
Neil4Speed
10-25-2015, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by Matty_10
Couple options
1) Head down to Canadian tire and pick up some Meguiars Ultimate polish and have at er by hand which will get the minor swirls out. Wax.
2) Order in some poorboys blackhole glaze, apply, then wax over it which will give a couple months temporary fix.
3) Buy buffer or take it to a sponsor? And get it compounded out.
I agree, I think this is a good fix.
If getting the Poorboys glaze is a total pain, I would consider getting Meguiars Ultimate Paste Wax.
rx7_turbo2
10-25-2015, 10:32 AM
I've actually walked up to people at Big Bucket to explain to them why not to use the brush. Dudes are pretty receptive, women couldn't give two shits.
The swirls in a black car should be able to be polished out without much difficulty, elbow grease but not difficult.
cloud7
10-25-2015, 11:59 AM
As a car lover, I cringe every time I see people using the brush on the paint. Even if the brush is clean, it is not good for the paint finish. When you think that the brush is meant for the tires/wheels or the undercarriage of the vehicle, it is a no brainer to not use it on any painted surface... might as well use a course sand paper.
JustinMCS
10-25-2015, 12:16 PM
Exactly. Never use the brush! Even if it looks clean. I took my car to Jed at Mobile Reflections to get out swirl marks and what not. (Not from a car was brush tho.)
CompletelyNumb
10-25-2015, 12:49 PM
Sadly the brush is needed to get vehicles clean sometimes.
Kloubek
10-25-2015, 12:52 PM
I use the brush on my cx9, but it is a vehicle that I don't deem required to have a pristine finish. Switched to touchless washes for my Infiniti - though they don't do as good of a job.
When I DO use the brush, I always hit it with the high pressure spray first. I know I can't get all the shit out of there, but it ought to help.
Tik-Tok
10-25-2015, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by CompletelyNumb
Sadly the brush is needed to get vehicles clean sometimes.
I always keep some microfibre cloths in the glovebox, and only use the "brush" to pour soap over the car.
NoPulp
10-25-2015, 02:40 PM
I've used the brush on my girlfriends car... because she NEVER washes it. Like maybe once a year... somehow still one of the best shape sunfires I've seen. But it's white and the paint doesn't matter. Only way to sort of get it clean.
Other than that... sometimes on my trucks wheels or cover.
But yeah, shouldn't use the brush.
You could go down to Canadian tire and get a buffer. I'm pretty happy with my porter cable orbital polisher. I clay bar'd the mustang then quickly went over it with compound and polish. Hit it with some meguairs wax before the Driven show. Made my imperfect home paint job look decent.
Disoblige
10-25-2015, 03:05 PM
I would never use the brush. I understand you'd need some agitation to get it to be actually clean, but what I would do is just use the foam brush for the soap and hang it over the car with one hand while I use a microfibre wash mitt on the other hand to spread the foam and softly scrub it on the car. Then rinse. Way better for the paint since the wash mitt is much softer but still provides the agitation.
I do this maybe 2-3 times a year, maybe more on the rims. Rest of the time pressure washer is more than enough.
HiSpec
10-25-2015, 03:09 PM
Another option is spray the vehicle down with soap using the wane and use waterless wash solution.
sneek
10-25-2015, 04:08 PM
There isn't a "quick" fix for this. If you don't want to spend a lot of money and you don't have a gym membership, you can fix this for under $30 (if your pain't isn't too hard).
Run to Walmart and pick this up:
http://www.walmart.ca/en/ip/meguiars-scratchx-20-cleaner/6000016937578
All you need is some good foam pads or microfiber pads if you can find them.
http://www.amazon.ca/Meguiars-W0004-Foam-Applicator-Pads/dp/B002J8379C/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1445810662&sr=8-3&keywords=foam+pad
Then rub like hell... I would recommend working in straight lines, there is no need to rub it in circles. You'll want to be pushing down on the pad with 5 to 10lb of pressure in order to work in the polish. It will take you quite a while to do the entire car. You could also pick up one of these DA power systems for your drill, but I haven't heard amazing things about them. This will fix the scratches for good. If you want just a marginal improvement, most waxes will fill in the scratches but it won't last more than a few months.
rob the knob
10-25-2015, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Disoblige
I would never use the brush. I understand you'd need some agitation to get it to be actually clean, but what I would do is just use the foam brush for the soap and hang it over the car with one hand while I use a microfibre wash mitt on the other hand to spread the foam and softly scrub it on the car. Then rinse. Way better for the paint since the wash mitt is much softer but still provides the agitation.
I do this maybe 2-3 times a year, maybe more on the rims. Rest of the time pressure washer is more than enough.
you also spray the brush with the pressure washer to rid rocks. better not use the brush at all, if you have to, this is better solution than nothing
Jonathanl10
10-25-2015, 10:33 PM
Presoak people, it's like putting your dishes in a tub of soapy water. Give it a minute to sit and it does wonders with how much shit it can take off. Then use a high pressure soap and the works.
Clean your cars often too. The cleanest vehicles are usually the ones washed often and have preventative measures to stuff like heavy grime.
Edo123
10-26-2015, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by Matty_10
3) Buy buffer or take it to a sponsor? And get it compounded out.
Thank you for your replies so far guys. Sounds like Meguiar is a tested means to get the job done if you experts are recommending it.
What's is a buffer anyway? And how do you get a sponsor? That sounds interesting. Might be worth a try.
acedia
10-27-2015, 09:23 AM
The poorboys glaze looks like great stuff, I wish I'd have seen that when the paint on my black car was messed up. Wasn't even a brush that did it - just a clean hand wash mitt on a car that hadn't been washed with the wand enough beforehand... I ended up scratching THE HELL out of it by working small bits of dirt and grit back and forth on the poor car. I almost started crying as I was rinsing the car off. :(
I think that was my last black car. I just can't handle the stress.
heavyD
12-22-2015, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by CompletelyNumb
Sadly the brush is needed to get vehicles clean sometimes.
The brush is never, ever needed to get vehicles clean. May as well take sandpaper to your paint if you are going to use the brush. There is no point in doing a contact wash in the winter as there's just too much road debris until late spring. All winter just do proper non-contact wand washes then do a proper 2 bucket wash with proper wash mitts and microfiber rags in the spring and your paint will still look as good as when the car was new.
haggis88
12-22-2015, 02:58 PM
i use the brush on my windows, but never on the paint...
for a short guy like me, i need the length of the brush to be able to reach the windows on my F150 :lol:
03ozwhip
12-22-2015, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by haggis88
i use the brush on my windows, but never on the paint...
for a short guy like me, i need the length of the brush to be able to reach the windows on my F150 :lol:
I'm not short and I need extended shit to reach my OEM height truck. It's the one thing I hate about trucks is I can't reach everything.
Originally posted by haggis88
i use the brush on my windows, but never on the paint...
Likewise. I'm sure the brush will leave some scratches on the windows but wouldn't risk that on my paint.
BlueHaloGirl
12-23-2015, 10:17 AM
Never ever use the brush.
All you really need is a good soak with the high pressure soap then a good rinse. Also keeping your car clean during the winter will help a lot. You should be able to spray most grime off with the pressure wand...unless you don't wash often.
As for the swirls...I use poorboys black hole glaze in the spring and summer and it's amazing!! Take a trip to Carzilla he has all the products you need to fix that up.
Ouch. I spray down the brush when I spray the car first. Then only use the brush on 3M areas and glass. There would be enough soap all over for me to use my own sponge to scrub lightly. Works perfect on my cars for years. I do use coop touchless when im lazy.
Originally posted by Edo123
So I took my car for a coin wash the other day for the first time ever and I used the car wash brush to clean it using their foam. It never occurred to me that I should have washed the brush before using it on my car. And lo and behold, the paint ended up with minor scratches on some prominent places on the body. I am really regretting using the coin wash brush. Can someone tell me what can I do to get rid of those scratch marks? Is there a wax that will "fill" them or make them invisible for good?
PS. The paint colour is black.
Thank you guys!
Don't ever use a brush - even if you "wash it" - from a wand wash. You will not be able to get all the grit and crap that's accumulated in it out of it.
Lol all my buddies spray the brush first before using it on the body paint.
and it doesnt scratch afterwards.. i want to try it but at the same time i dont want to risk it either hahaha
rx7_turbo2
12-23-2015, 10:18 PM
Never, as in ever use those brushes.
If the high pressure spray isn't enough, bring a microfibre cloth from home that you know is clean. Pop it in a ziplock bag when you're done.
bjstare
12-24-2015, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by rx7_turbo2
Never, as in ever use those brushes.
If the high pressure spray isn't enough, bring a microfibre cloth from home that you know is clean. Pop it in a ziplock bag when you're done.
This is what I do. I pre-soak, high pressure soap, spray soap water on microfibre cloths, then wash with those. Used the brush once, years ago, never again.
carson blocks
12-24-2015, 11:31 AM
I'll admit I've used the brushes before in a real pinch where presoak and wash didn't do it. I washed the hell out of the brush and made sure the vehicle was as clean as I could get it with the spray, and ridiculously soapy. I haven't had a problem, but that said, I wouldn't do it on my new almost black truck.
I like the idea of a microfiber, but hate having a wet microfiber to deal with, as well as not being able to reach everywhere. Maybe a guy could buy his own soft brush and bring it to the car wash?
Originally posted by carson blocks
I like the idea of a microfiber, but hate having a wet microfiber to deal with, as well as not being able to reach everywhere. Maybe a guy could buy his own soft brush and bring it to the car wash?
Buy a handle w/ microfibre cloth and use that. It'll be like mopping your roof! lol
Seth1968
12-24-2015, 12:38 PM
There needs to be an express bay titled, "Bay only for a quick spray".
It's like getting in line with the person that has a fist full of lottery shit, or the person at the bank that makes small talk with the teller, while oblivious to the fucking line.
bjstare
12-25-2015, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by Seth1968
There needs to be an express bay titled, "Bay only for a quick spray".
It's like getting in line with the person that has a fist full of lottery shit, or the person at the bank that makes small talk with the teller, while oblivious to the fucking line.
The have those. They're called expresswash or something, you drive right through them. I'm sure you've seen them before at like every fucking gas station ever. And if you're doing a quick spray with a wand, they'll do just as good or better of a job.
16hypen3sp
12-26-2015, 07:55 PM
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CompletelyNumb
12-26-2015, 11:09 PM
To the people who use microfibre cloths, do you feed coins in to the wash machine to keep the time going or do you do it for free?
blairtruck
12-27-2015, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by CompletelyNumb
To the people who use microfibre cloths, do you feed coins in to the wash machine to keep the time going or do you do it for free?
i use the brush and elevate it over the vehicles and let the foam drip out on to all the panels. and put a pile on my tonnou cover to use as the other stuffs runs down the body panels and falls off. then i use my microfibers with no coins.
i only use carwash bays in the winter and never use my microfiber if there are people waiting. if people are waiting then just the wand gets used.
speedog
12-27-2015, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by 16hypen3sp
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What you talking about?
Everybody knows beyond ballers' vehicles never see snow accumulate on them because they only go from one heated garage to another heated garage.
Off to reddit with you, 16hypen3sp.
rage2
12-27-2015, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by speedog
Everybody knows beyond ballers' vehicles never see snow accumulate on them because they only go from one heated garage to another heated garage.
Off to reddit with you, 16hypen3sp.
Haha, it's funny because I'm a car guy, I get a lot of car accessories such as fancy snow brushes as gifts. I got a solid collection of unused ones sitting in a closet because I've never needed one.
Zhao Kan
12-27-2015, 01:49 PM
All that is needed is soap first to rinse all the caked on sand, dirt, grime away. Then wash with a microfiber you soaked, and use it over every surface to get off the dirty film just spraying can't remove.
After that shammy dry and you're done. Never put anything on your paint that you don't know exactly where it's been before, or what it's been used for before.
Also, never use a snow brush on paint. Not even once if it is going to touch your paint. I use my arm if it's 6 inches of snow, or if its wet snow that comes off. For light powder that stuff is gone by the time I'm a block or 2 away.
There is no reason to ever use that car wash brush on paint. The last time I used one of those was to clean the box of my truck out after I hauled 2 years worth of oil to the eco station, after I used my truck to haul a few engines around with oil that leaked out everywhere, after i let it sit like that for months and cake on hard with all kinds of dirt and crap. for all you know the guy before you did that with the brush. or used it to push 200 lbs of sand out of his box. You can pressure wash a brush like that for a day and still not turn it into something I'd put on my paint.
That's the kind of crap that those car wash brushes get used for.
16hypen3sp
12-27-2015, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by speedog
What you talking about?
Everybody knows beyond ballers' vehicles never see snow accumulate on them because they only go from one heated garage to another heated garage.
Off to reddit with you, 16hypen3sp.
Shit. I forgot!
Power_Of_Rotary
12-28-2015, 02:43 AM
Originally posted by speedog
What you talking about?
Everybody knows beyond ballers' vehicles never see snow accumulate on them because they only go from one heated garage to another heated garage.
Off to reddit with you, 16hypen3sp.
You use the snow brush on the glass/windows. For other parts of the car you gently brush the top layer of snow off avoiding direct paint contact as much as possible.
Originally posted by CompletelyNumb
Sadly the brush is needed to get vehicles clean sometimes.
I died a little inside reading this comment. You use microfiber cloths to clean regular grime. If its really deep in the paint then you use a clay bar (then wax it again).
Anal out.
speedog
12-28-2015, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by Power_Of_Rotary
You use the snow brush on the glass/windows. For other parts of the car you gently brush the top layer of snow off avoiding direct paint contact as much as possible.
Man, you need some schooling from 16hypen3sp as he got it.
I vinyled my whole car and I give it a good how's she goin' with the brush regularly. No problems. I think that's the right way to do things.
gpomp
12-29-2015, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by SKR
I vinyled my whole car and I give it a good how's she goin' with the brush regularly. No problems. I think that's the right way to do things. The vinyl scratches easier than paint though... :dunno:
Power_Of_Rotary
12-29-2015, 02:28 AM
Originally posted by gpomp
The vinyl scratches easier than paint though... :dunno:
depends on the vinyl. Matte does not scratch as easily.
Originally posted by gpomp
The vinyl scratches easier than paint though... :dunno:
If vinyl was more easily damaged than paint, why would anyone ever put it on their cars? It's the same stuff people put on their hoods and bumpers and rockers to protect from stone chips, except I did the whole thing. So far it hasn't caused any problems and it works way better than just the wand, especially with bugs and stuff.
rage2
12-29-2015, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by SKR
If vinyl was more easily damaged than paint, why would anyone ever put it on their cars?
Because it's easier (and cheaper) to replace than to repaint.
Originally posted by rage2
Because it's easier (and cheaper) to replace than to repaint.
Well yeah, but my point was that if it had no resilience it wouldn't work and no one would use it, so the fact that people do use it would make you think that it does have some strength to it. (Edit: this is a fucked up sentence that I'm too dumb and hung over to fix, but I think somewhere in there there's a point. The part of my brain that makes words isn't working very good today.)
So far my experience is that the vinyl can take a beating and it doesn't seem to care. That doesn't mean I go out of my way to try to wreck things, but I don't worry too much about hurting it either. Maybe I've just been lucky.
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