Racial profiling as government policy (Trump again)

[ZenOps]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-racial-profiling-muslims-1.3642599

Side note: China has been racially profiling white people since forever. As business partners, white people are like 100:1 longshots at the track that pay off 300x when one occasionally makes it past the finish line.

Just opinion.

[HiTempguy1]

Racial profiling works :dunno:

[ExtraSlow]

The entire concept is distasteful, but it seems like it is already happening in many parts of the USA with "carding" going on in New York most of the Southwest.

We readily accept profiling of blood donors based on sexual orientation. Israel has a very public system of racial and religious profiling that appears quite successful.

I don't know the best plan. I wish we didn't need one.

[zhao]

well you should really call a spade a spade in some cases.

say, perhaps, you're getting suicide bombed by a certain country where everyone happens to be green skinned and wears a purple flower hat as a requirement.

Now should you do random blanket checks of everyone in your country ignoring all evidence that narrows down your search because it may offend someone, or should you put more of your focus on paying attention to those who have a high ratio chance of actually committing the act you'd like to prevent?


The isreali's have an almost fool proof checklist of determining if someone is a suicide bomber or not. Yes, part of that profile has religious connotations, because they have a pretty much 100% record of being suicide bombed by muslims. Race in their profiling is not a factor, mainly because it does not help them. But they used to profile based on age and gender and nationality because they had a track record leading up to about 2000+ of almost only males 18-24 of palestine origin committing the attacks. Things changed and children and women are now used, including foreigners.



And IMO you better believe racial profiling and other profiling is already being used. If you are a religious nutjob or militia leader in the US, i dont care if you are 10th generation pure breed honky tracing both family trees back to george washington, you are likely on a watch list. If you just flew in from Iran or mainland China, you are likely getting profiled the shit out of.

Let me tell you about CSIS. I was interviewed by CSIS once back in about 2002/2003ish, and it was a big deal if you had Chinese mainlander friends at that time (I'm guessing nothing has changed at all since then either). That was a red flag for them, and you were to cut ties if you wanted a hope in hell of working for CSIS.

IMO, if it works, use it.

[Sugarphreak]

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Racial profiling, discrimination etc. it's everywhere.

Don't be heat, bro.

[Sugarphreak]

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[Kloubek]

I'm pretty outspoken when it comes to racism, and it is one of the reasons (and there are many) that I absolutely detest Trump.

But the fact is that racial profiling in itself isn't racism; it's simply the best way of providing focus and resources on the highest risk groups of people. I'm all for treating everyone equally and all, but if there is a reasonable way to reduce the amount of danger, injury, or death of innocent people (including non-radical Muslims) then I'm going to support it.

It just has to be done carefully and with a light hand. The moment you start taking away base rights and mistreating any group, you're asking for bigger problems.

[Xtrema]

1st rule of racial profiling is, we don't talk about racial profiling.

[lilmira]

Short cuts are great if you know what you are doing but they should never become protocols.

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
If you want to catch bad guys, do it based on facts and not prejudice

Right, the facts suggest one group over another are committing a given crime disproportionately.

This is always a tough conversation, extremely valid points on either side, no doubt over zealous racial profiling is a real concern but as a tool I think used in the right manor its an effective tool.

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
I have no clue what this means, lol


This youtube channel may help you:

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheChengman/videos

You're such an old white man, I think phreak needs a custom user title :rofl:

[bjstare]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1


This youtube channel may help you:

https://www.youtube.com/user/TheChengman/videos

You're such an old white man, I think phreak needs a custom user title :rofl:

He's the new Speedog.

[JohnnyHockey]

Big foiiiii!:rofl:

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by JohnnyHockey
Big foiiiii!:rofl:

Anytime someone mentions heat, heat score, or getting eye'd up by the popo, this always comes to mind.

That riced out civic that just drove by? "Heat score off tha charts, big fooiiiiiiii!"

:rofl:

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Originally posted by rx7_turbo2


Right, the facts suggest one group over another are committing a given crime disproportionately.

This is always a tough conversation, extremely valid points on either side, no doubt over zealous racial profiling is a real concern but as a tool I think used in the right manor its an effective tool.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it could still be a chicken! :nut:

[Sugarphreak]

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[Sugarphreak]

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[Str1der]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Any person that is serious about committing a major crime probably knows that and alter their appearance to some degree to counter it.

Oh really? Like whiteface?

http://www.uptownmagazine.com/files/2014/10/uptown-snoop-dogg-whiteface.jpe

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PGM5komqCws/SgnZOYaAySI/AAAAAAAAHjM/oaPFKf-Im2s/s400/how+to+wear+niqab+vid.jpg

[rx7_turbo2]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
It is such a slippery slope though

You're absolutely right about that.

[Kloubek]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak

It is such a slippery slope though

Realistically people at border crossings and airports are using racial profiling already at their own discretion. They also would be profiling age, sex, and other flags like tattoos or clothing based on what they know are more likely to be associated with problematic people.

One of the problems with habitual or formal racial profiling though is that by allocating more resources to screen people that match a certain profile, by default they are not screening others as rigorously. Any person that is serious about committing a major crime probably knows that and alter their appearance to some degree to counter it.

Agree with everything you said. As a result, the profiling ought to be done behind the scenes. Ie: Not written anywhere in black and white, but a general understanding of those authorities in positions in which they are required to make the selections. And throw in a few white males and females here and there to keep it "unbiased" for show.

As you said, they are already doing this.... they just don't make a habit of making it known. I have a friend of a friend who is perpetually stopped at the border thanks to his obviously middle eastern appearance. It surprises nobody. He pretty much laughs it off rather than getting upset about it.

[Buster]

Profiling by elimination sounds reasonable.

My 70 year old, white mother is not a suicide bomber, or an airplane terrorist. Let her through, and focus on everyone else.

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Originally posted by Kloubek


Agree with everything you said. As a result, the profiling ought to be done behind the scenes. Ie: Not written anywhere in black and white, but a general understanding of those authorities in positions in which they are required to make the selections. And throw in a few white males and females here and there to keep it "unbiased" for show.

As you said, they are already doing this.... they just don't make a habit of making it known. I have a friend of a friend who is perpetually stopped at the border thanks to his obviously middle eastern appearance. It surprises nobody. He pretty much laughs it off rather than getting upset about it.

Exactly. Like you don't see fat servers at nice restaurants. Only hire them if you will fuk them. :rofl:

Anyway, just be chill bro. Be cool. Don't be heat. Of course you will get the random snitch in the name of public awareness who exposes everything to the media and everyone will have something to be upset about for a month.

[Kloubek]

Originally posted by Buster
Profiling by elimination sounds reasonable.

My 70 year old, white mother is not a suicide bomber, or an airplane terrorist. Let her through, and focus on everyone else.

Yes, but to Sugar's point - you don't want to make it known that you're bypassing security measures for 70 year old white mothers. Otherwise, our enemies will seek out a sympathizer who meets that profile because they will slip through undetected.

A slight extreme - since they would have a difficult time finding such an individual. But the premise is the same if you let it be known you aren't properly screening anyone or any group that is not obviously Muslim.

[ZenOps]

How about the idea that everyone should be profiled.

Or inotherwords, guilty until proven innocent is tolerable as long as you treat everyone equally suspiciously.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Isn't Israel famous for it's very successful behavioral/racial profiling? If it actually keeps more people safe, inconveniencing or offending people is of pretty minor concern IMO.

On a much smaller scale, I had several friends work security and loss prevention at malls and other similar department stores - they chose which people to follow on camera with very simple profiling based mostly on stereotypes, they had a shockingly high success rate.

[HiTempguy1]

That's the funny thing, security in western countries is "security theatre", it makes people "feel" safe but does nothing at all. Our rights are already trampled on in multiple cases in this "show", but it is done because it is offensive to everyone and therefore a neutral policy. Actually tackling the problem would be much more problematic, especially politically.

Look at how successful "broken window" policing policies are in the USA, but they are being prohibited as it naturally ends up policing certain minority groups causing the problems.

The system doesn't want to work in your favour, political expediency will always take precedence over actual public benefit.