Voting NDP is NOT a hopeless cause

[Gweedo]

So many people I talk to about politics agree on many of the same issues.
-Universal human rights
-Helping out the disadvantaged in society
-Good healthcare
-Good jobs
-Against Corporate corruption
-Pro-Enviroment
-Promote Canadian Values
-Good quality of life overall, etc etc.

Then I hear all these people telling me their going to vote conservative because either they are influenced to somehow by media or peers, they dont like Paul Martin, or they just care about themselvs and all the other well-off people in this country.

BUT THEY AGREE WITH ALL THE ISSUES ABOVE.

NDP is a party that adresses all these issues, Canada has never had an NDP prime minister since the early 1900's, why not give them a chance? People say "Im throwing my vote away if I vote for them" THAT MENTALITY completely ruins everything, what if more people reflected their votes in what they actually believe rather than on someone they "think" will win?? FUCK THAT.

WAKE UP, Canadians are a bunch of sheep sometimes and its sick. One day we will be taken over by the USA in every aspect of our lives, and only then when its too late Canadians will be asking "what happened"

[method]

I'm not even voting this year. :rolleyes:

no point at all.

[mo_virgin]

NDP sucks... you commie

[method]

you suck, you fascist pig dog. :)

[thich]

NDP DID have a Prime Minister after 1900... her name was Kim Campbell and she lasted how many months?? :thumbsdow

as much as Conservatism can be a bad thing for those who are underpriviledged it's mantle is basically to help those who can help themselves..
however, not all of us conservatives are capitalist pigs. for the people who have morals and consciences, we help those who are underpriviledged.

[ThE tV 8 mE]

I live in BC and we have had NDP several times...waste of our money and time. They bought ferries for vancover island for millions of dollars that were completely USELESS! They put lots of our land into the ALR (we cannot build). They didn't have any control of their finances. Then the Liberals came in, and cleaned everything up for them! No way I will ever vote for NDP

[three.eighteen.]

if you like paying more taxes for accomplishing not much more...in fact probably less...go for it

[method]

Originally posted by thich
NDP DID have a Prime Minister after 1900... her name was Kim Campbell and she lasted how many months?? :thumbsdow


kim campbell was conservative buddy. :thumbsup:

[thich]

dope! :banghead:

[SwitchBlade]

if you wiped your ass with your ballot whicch party would get the vote? Thats my vote right there

[sputnik]

you communists make me laugh...

the NDP government is also notorious for:

- going HEAVILY into debt
- being ANTI corporation (they think that making money is evil)
- taxing the rich people/companies that provide our jobs
- increasing minimum wage instead of just improving the economy
- giving "hand outs" instead of "hand ups"
- providing stupid amounts of money to social programs that have no return
- being pro-union which KILLS our economy
- putting money into stupid things

seeing that you are from winnipeg you should understand... the NDP has KILLED manitobas economy and forced me to move to alberta so that I could actually have a job that actually pays well in a city that i actually have the ability to make a better life for myself.

give me 10 ways that the Doer government in Manitoba has HELPED manitoba and you might have me convinced. Hell, come up with 5 and i might think you arent a complete moron for believing the NDP lies.

you are a mindless sheep... have fun giving the union 2% of your wages... and being one of the highest taxes provinces in the country.

i know... i lived there for 22 years.

[Alpine Autowerks]

You must be INSANE if you think the NDP makes sense, Sputnik nails it on the head.


We sorta had a NDP gov in the early 70's when uber pinko Treadeau formed a coalition government with the NDP.


Lets not forget their porpensity to nationalize businesses that they can't fuck up enough just by draining the economy.

[method]

yeah the conservatives rule.

I mean look at the state our health care and education is in!..

oh wait.

like I said, no point. every major party sucks.

[Gweedo]

Hey sputnik calm down and listen, I dont understand why conservatives are always so mad! Chill the fuck out and take a step back to look at the whole picture

You ACTUALLY believe that because Alberta has a conservative government and Manitoba does not that is why you got a job in Alberta? HAHA There are SO many other factors that come into play of WHY you had to leave. What occupation are you in? Maybe that will say something

Here are 10 ways in which the NDP government has helped MB:
-Province Wide Smoking Ban, good for the enviroment
-Part funding on new Human Rights Museum, biggest in the world
-Lowered interest rates on student loans for University
-$165 million in strategic infrastructure funding including the keneston underpass and to fix the horrible maniotba roads
-Water purification plant complete overhaul
-Implementation of STEP services, a service that gets students work experience with the provincial government
-Increase in Min Wage for all of Manitoba
-The Protection for Persons In Care Act
-Early Childhood Development Continuum
-Implementation of Graduated Licencing

I can go on and on and on, conservatives DONT CARE about the unprivileged in society, why cut sooooo many taxes and then give the majority of those tax breaks to the rich?
Government should help EVERYONE in society and at the same time not sacrifice the enviroment

All conservative governments do is cut cut cut taxes. TAXES HELP PEOPLE. YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE IN CANADA IS BETTER BECAUSE OF OUR TAXES.

Your so blind because all you think about is your fucking bank account. Life goes further than that, you should be ashamed to call yourself a Canadian.

[Alpine Autowerks]

Originally posted by Gweedo

I can go on and on and on, conservatives DONT CARE about the unprivileged in society, why cut sooooo many taxes and then give the majority of those tax breaks to the rich?
Government should help EVERYONE in society and at the same time not sacrifice the enviroment



You the blind 1, it is not that C's don't care but they do know where the money comes from.It comes from businesses earning a PROFIT. Not one of the things you list is going to improve Manitoba's ability to pay it's own way.

"Human Rights Museum, biggest in the world":whocares:

that just became LAST in list of museums that I would vist (way behind the gopher museum in Torrington)
:whocares:

[method]

yeah who cares about the education of human rights.. lets fund big business.

:rolleyes:

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by Gweedo
Hey sputnik calm down and listen, I dont understand why conservatives are always so mad! Chill the fuck out and take a step back to look at the whole picture

You ACTUALLY believe that because Alberta has a conservative government and Manitoba does not that is why you got a job in Alberta? HAHA There are SO many other factors that come into play of WHY you had to leave. What occupation are you in? Maybe that will say something

Here are 10 ways in which the NDP government has helped MB:
-Province Wide Smoking Ban, good for the enviroment
-Part funding on new Human Rights Museum, biggest in the world
-Lowered interest rates on student loans for University
-$165 million in strategic infrastructure funding including the keneston underpass and to fix the horrible maniotba roads
-Water purification plant complete overhaul
-Implementation of STEP services, a service that gets students work experience with the provincial government
-Increase in Min Wage for all of Manitoba
-The Protection for Persons In Care Act
-Early Childhood Development Continuum
-Implementation of Graduated Licencing

I can go on and on and on, conservatives DONT CARE about the unprivileged in society, why cut sooooo many taxes and then give the majority of those tax breaks to the rich?
Government should help EVERYONE in society and at the same time not sacrifice the enviroment

All conservative governments do is cut cut cut taxes. TAXES HELP PEOPLE. YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE IN CANADA IS BETTER BECAUSE OF OUR TAXES.

Your so blind because all you think about is your fucking bank account. Life goes further than that, you should be ashamed to call yourself a Canadian. wow, youre one of those poor people who are bitter at the world for being poor and do nothing but bitch and whine to the government to fix your own problems. why not learn to not be poor (aka stupid and lazy) instead of crying about how the government doesnt help you? is helping yourself really such a scary concept?

[mo_virgin]

If your Albertan... and your not conservative... you are bloody poor and retarded.

[Redlyne_mr2]

Originally posted by GTS Jeff
wow, youre one of those poor people who are bitter at the world for being poor and do nothing but bitch and whine to the government to fix your own problems. why not learn to not be poor (aka stupid and lazy) instead of crying about how the government doesnt help you? is helping yourself really such a scary concept?
Jeff arent you a Commy?:D

[three.eighteen.]

you obviously must be the unpriviledged

[mo_virgin]

Originally posted by Gweedo
Hey sputnik calm down and listen, I dont understand why conservatives are always so mad! Chill the fuck out and take a step back to look at the whole picture

You ACTUALLY believe that because Alberta has a conservative government and Manitoba does not that is why you got a job in Alberta? HAHA There are SO many other factors that come into play of WHY you had to leave. What occupation are you in? Maybe that will say something

Here are 10 ways in which the NDP government has helped MB:
-Province Wide Smoking Ban, good for the enviroment
-Part funding on new Human Rights Museum, biggest in the world
-Lowered interest rates on student loans for University
-$165 million in strategic infrastructure funding including the keneston underpass and to fix the horrible maniotba roads
-Water purification plant complete overhaul
-Implementation of STEP services, a service that gets students work experience with the provincial government
-Increase in Min Wage for all of Manitoba
-The Protection for Persons In Care Act
-Early Childhood Development Continuum
-Implementation of Graduated Licencing

I can go on and on and on, conservatives DONT CARE about the unprivileged in society, why cut sooooo many taxes and then give the majority of those tax breaks to the rich?
Government should help EVERYONE in society and at the same time not sacrifice the enviroment

All conservative governments do is cut cut cut taxes. TAXES HELP PEOPLE. YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE IN CANADA IS BETTER BECAUSE OF OUR TAXES.

Your so blind because all you think about is your fucking bank account. Life goes further than that, you should be ashamed to call yourself a Canadian.

I can't bring myself to care about a province who receives welfare (equilization payments)

[Gweedo]

Its halarious how all of you assume im poor!!

Cuz if I was rich I would be just like YOU right? haha, actually I am not poor, my family is middle class and Ive done pretty good for myself
I live in my own house at the age of 21, and still have enough money to keep my hobby up of entering country wide car shows.

Regardless of all that i CARE ABOUT PEOPLE. I relize society is unfair and I strive to change it.

I assume all you conservatives are rich, because if you werent you might not be as blind.
THe world goes further than your bank account, if you keep funding big buisness it will come back to bite you in the ass.

http://pub61.ezboard.com/fthelandofboykofrm15.showMessage?topicID=20.topic
Read this.

Why dont you all care about unprivileged people? I bet you all think the war in Iraq is a good thing too! Big buisness does more damage than good, and you say "they employ people" oh they sure do, and they treat them like shit. A Ceo of a company makes on avg 400X what his employee makes, do you believe that is ok? Why so? Why cant they just make 300X, oh wait one person needs 10 60" TV's while 1000 people cant even eat tonite.

Im not religious whatsoever if you think this is a factor for my argument, its not.
You people make me sick, I believe you are the ones living good off the backs of the poor people in this country, the more you take away from them (in social services) the more you make (upper class)

[method]

Originally posted by mo_virgin
If your Albertan... and your not conservative... you are bloody poor and retarded.

my mother is a doctor and my father owns a consulting firm. my whole family is liberal.

:dunno:

[Redlyne_mr2]

Socialism wouldnt work here, too many lazy ass people with no work ethic who would just mooch off the system. It works wonders in countries like Germany however, where the country is full of hard workers and the government spending goes towards education and technology amongst many other things

[GTS Jeff]

Originally posted by Gweedo
Why dont you all care about unprivileged people? it doesnt matter, and no government has the right to force me to care either.

freedom of choice buddy :thumbsup:

[mo_virgin]

Originally posted by method


my mother is a doctor and my father owns a consulting firm. my whole family is liberal.

:dunno:

I was refering to NDP

[5.9 R/T]

Fuck all of you.

http://www.guinnessvote.ca/home.html

Go meet the newly appointed MOGT from Calgary. :thumbsup:

[Toma]

I'm gonna be Canada's first socialist PM ;)

Personally, I beleive in freedom, BUT I also beleive in our constitution wich guarantee Canada's resources belong to all Canadians....

So it makes no sense to take the Conservative and Liberal point of giving away our resources for peanuts... especially non renewable ones, and then charging us Albertan's market price for oil and natural gas.

It is my honest feeling that industry should be private, or public (as in publically traded companies), EXCEPT for essential services (ie stuff that is mandatory - like insurance), and natural resources/environment.

Not saying it wasn't mess in the past. Saying that under competant leadership and government it CAN work.

My sister has been an energy analyst for Yorkton, the government, Suncor, Enamax, and burlington. Her job was to "find" and determine owed Roylty payments to the province. Some of the BS and shit she found was sickening.....

Anyway, that is my opinionated rant for the morning ;)

[thich]

Originally posted by Gweedo
Why dont you all care about unprivileged people? I bet you all think the war in Iraq is a good thing too! Big buisness does more damage than good, and you say "they employ people" oh they sure do, and they treat them like shit. A Ceo of a company makes on avg 400X what his employee makes, do you believe that is ok? Why so? Why cant they just make 300X, oh wait one person needs 10 60" TV's while 1000 people cant even eat tonite.


I can agree that some CEOs make ridiculous amounts of money, but they are paid for what they are doing and that is to help increase profits for a company.
In turn, that profit generated is reflected in the performance of the CEO. it's all market-based; ridiculous perhaps... but corporations are willing to shell it out.

some CEOs are happy with $1/year; others $100mil/year... I'd be happy with a $60k job + benefits if I were a CEO... but the mindset isn't there.
what you're arguing against is an ingrained societal perception of what CEOs and managers are supposed to be like.

i agree with what Redlyne said tho... socialism just doesn't work here unless you overhaul the entire education system and social values.

[Gweedo]

You conservatives are absolutely rediculous!!

You are completely against what I say but the only arguments you can come up with to counter are stuff like "commy" and "facist"

Why dont you form an argument and back it up with points? I can go on and on slamming down your bullshit but it wont get through those hard heads of yours!!
Just because you come from rich families and you have had everything handed to you in life you cant think out of the box!

ITS OK TO ADMIT THAT SOME PPL ARE MORE WELL OFF THAN OTHERS AND ITS OK TO WANT TO HELP THOSE PPL.

You are all in a position to change the way society is run! Why dont you try to make change rather than be a sheep like so many other Canadians. Dont be blinded by the media, and the HUGE US influence in your province
THE USA IS NOT THE SYSTEM WE SHOULD BE LOOKING UP TO. WE SHOULD BE PROTECTING OUR CANADIAN VALUES, well whats left of them.

Read read read, Do you people ever read books? seriously ask yourself that, then maybe you can recognize bias in newspapers and media and take an objective view to things rather than what you do now.

www.boyko.org/gweedo ---Start with reading this stuff

later

[thich]

actually my family is not rich.

we came from a refugee background after the VN war and we built our entire future here in Canada - HENCE why I am conservative.
We did everything ourselves with our own sweat and blood.
My dad NEVER EVER took a hand-out from the govt and still regards welfare as a waste of govt money.

the only way to change this country is by changing our value system and education system.
Vietnam's education system is built upon a strong work-ethic and group identity; North Americans are culturally individualistic and do not readily care for the welfare of others - especially those ppl who are UNWILLING to work to get out of their place in life.

I went thru the entire Canadian education system thus far with the indoctrination that it's all about YOU and no one else; look after NUMERO UNO first -- how do you expect ppl to care when the education system and society promote this kind of social value? :thumbsdow

[sputnik]

Originally posted by Gweedo
Hey sputnik calm down and listen, I dont understand why conservatives are always so mad! Chill the fuck out and take a step back to look at the whole picture

You ACTUALLY believe that because Alberta has a conservative government and Manitoba does not that is why you got a job in Alberta? HAHA There are SO many other factors that come into play of WHY you had to leave. What occupation are you in? Maybe that will say something

Here are 10 ways in which the NDP government has helped MB:
-Province Wide Smoking Ban, good for the enviroment
-Part funding on new Human Rights Museum, biggest in the world
-Lowered interest rates on student loans for University
-$165 million in strategic infrastructure funding including the keneston underpass and to fix the horrible maniotba roads
-Water purification plant complete overhaul
-Implementation of STEP services, a service that gets students work experience with the provincial government
-Increase in Min Wage for all of Manitoba
-The Protection for Persons In Care Act
-Early Childhood Development Continuum
-Implementation of Graduated Licencing

I can go on and on and on, conservatives DONT CARE about the unprivileged in society, why cut sooooo many taxes and then give the majority of those tax breaks to the rich?
Government should help EVERYONE in society and at the same time not sacrifice the enviroment

All conservative governments do is cut cut cut taxes. TAXES HELP PEOPLE. YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE IN CANADA IS BETTER BECAUSE OF OUR TAXES.

Your so blind because all you think about is your fucking bank account. Life goes further than that, you should be ashamed to call yourself a Canadian.

I am calm. I think that you are completely shortsighted on your claims. I worked in the IT industry in Winnipeg for 4 years and watched the industry in Manitoba crumble during that time. When I was offered a job in Alberta I jumped. I immediately was given 50% more than i was making in Manitoba, was paying less taxes and had a house that was actually appreciating in value.

Lets look at your list.

#1 - Smoking Ban

This has been proven to be bad for gambling revenues. So the NDP government is actually shooting themselves in the foot. Where do they expect to get the money from?

#2 - Funding for Human Rights Museum

This is a clear waste of tax payers money with little to zero return to the economy on Manitoba.

#3 - Lowered interest rates on student loans for University

This is good for students, but will damage the economy in which graduates will have to get jobs in. Forcing them to move to cities that actually have good paying jobs.

#4 - $165 million in strategic infrastructure funding

This is LONG overdue. However where the money is coming from is still a mystery. Also this is more of a civic issue than a provincial issue. Perhaps some of the money that is going to the human rights museum and to lowered interest rates could take care of this better and the tax burden imposed on Manitobans would be less.

#5 - Water purification plant complete overhaul

This is STANDARD maintenance. Would you consider changing your oil filter to be a car mod? No.

#6 - Implementation of STEP services, a service that gets students work experience with the provincial government

Basically "make work" projects at the taxpayers expense. Maybe if there were jobs in Manitoba the government wouldnt need to step in to create them and pay for them by forcing the tax payer to work for them.

#7 - Increase in Min Wage for all of Manitoba

This is bad for the economy. This lowers profit margins of companies and forces them to work with less staff or produce a poorer product.

#8 - The Protection for Persons In Care Act

Not sure what this is.

#9 - Early Childhood Development Continuum

Not sure what this is either.

#10 - Implementation of Graduated Licencing

This isnt an NDP thing. The conservative government in Alberta has the same program in place.

So basically... you are still at ZERO in my books. Care to try for another 10. Think of things that if they help someone they arent hurting another person.

Helping those in need isnt bad. As long as it doesnt continually rely on taxpayers to keep picking up the tab.

[thich]

correct me if i'm wrong though...
i thought the entire student loan system was overhauled by the Federal govt and it works through THEM now? Not private banks.... so wut does this have to do with the NDP?
I'm paying the feds my Univeristy debts... (well a good portion, i think AB has some percentage or other...) how did the NDP do anything for this tho?

[bigboom]

wow you NDP people need to step back and take a look at where money comes from. and thats taxes. do you as a taxpayer want to be paying for stupid shit like a human rights museum? i know i dont, i can do without one of those.

student loans? sure lowering interest rates is good but it doesnt solve the problem of rising tuition.

but seriously in the end we pay for all this stuff, do you know how much worse it owuld be if big business was NOT there to pay their share of taxes? with an ndp govt big business would not ge the support they need.

like someone mentioned earlier looka t BC, one of the MOST resource rich provinces in canada and the ndp still manage to screw it up.

[Gweedo]

You are absoletutly pointless to deal with. You are so hardheaded and blinded by your own agenda in life.

To you, EVERYTHING except cutting taxes is "bad for the economy"

If it was up to you we would privitize everything, have no pension, no EI, no insurance nothing! Everyman for themselvs! right? Must be thats the way you present your views!!

Everything I mentioned above is a GOOD thing the NDP has done. Regardless of what you believe IT IS GOOD FOR THE WHOLE!!

Min wage is one of the top reasons people live in poverty, if you dont keep raising it how do you expect people to live? NO EVERYONE CANNOT GET GOOD JOBS because everyone does not have equal opportunities

I can go on forever! Its pointless with you. I do relize that some of you reaaallllly think about what I say, and relize its correct. For those of you who do please re-evaluate your values and do some reading before making a decision for who you will vote for.

[sputnik]

Originally posted by Gweedo
You are absoletutly pointless to deal with. You are so hardheaded and blinded by your own agenda in life.

To you, EVERYTHING except cutting taxes is "bad for the economy"

If it was up to you we would privitize everything, have no pension, no EI, no insurance nothing! Everyman for themselvs! right? Must be thats the way you present your views!!

Everything I mentioned above is a GOOD thing the NDP has done. Regardless of what you believe IT IS GOOD FOR THE WHOLE!!

Min wage is one of the top reasons people live in poverty, if you dont keep raising it how do you expect people to live? NO EVERYONE CANNOT GET GOOD JOBS because everyone does not have equal opportunities

I can go on forever! Its pointless with you. I do relize that some of you reaaallllly think about what I say, and relize its correct. For those of you who do please re-evaluate your values and do some reading before making a decision for who you will vote for.

I have no pension (CPP). It was invested so poorly and so poorly planned that I will be lucky to see a cent of it when I retire. My work puts 4% of what I make every year into a pension fund. This is money they GIVE me without taking it off my paycheque. And I'm not even part of a union.

Why would you need EI if you can get a job almost ANYWHERE?

All other insurance is private in Alberta, and it really doesnt hurt anyone except bad drivers. Most good drivers over the age of 25 pay only a few % more than people under public insurance.

Minimum wage is for MINIMUM JOBS. If you dont like where minimum wage is. Get a better job. Most people dont make anywhere close to minimum wage in Alberta because there are enough jobs in which you can make MORE than that without trying. Even McDs in Alberta starts at $7/hr. And if you have no skills whatsoever you can make $10-12/hr working on a construction site as a "go-fer". Construction companies are DESPERATE for people because half of the ones get fired because they show up drunk or stoned... or just dont show up at all.

I have VERY strong values.

I believe in a hand-up... not a hand-out. If someone wants to collect a welfare cheque they should be willing to work for it, and you cant tell me that 15% of Canada (from your other post) is physically unable to work.

[Alpine Autowerks]

Originally posted by Gweedo
You are absoletutly pointless to deal with. You are so hardheaded and blinded by your own agenda in life.


If it was up to you we would privitize everything, have no pension, no EI, no insurance nothing! Everyman for themselvs! right? Must be thats the way you present your views!!




this is a classical leftist attack of the right that is based in EXACTLY the "hardheaded, blind" mindset the you accuse of those you do not share their own "values". No conservative party in Canada has EVER suggested removing the social saftey nets that contribute so much to our people & country. but if we do not suscribe to the left's craddle to grave coddling by government we must not want any.

[szw]

Originally posted by Gweedo


You are completely against what I say but the only arguments you can come up with to counter are stuff like "commy" and "facist"

Dude you are doing just that in each of your posts. People are responding with arguments but in each post you insult people calling them sheep, "do you ever read!?", "you are all so ridiculous!", "You are so hard-headed!", "this is impossible!", "all you care about is your bank accounts!".

Maybe that's why nobody is taking you seriously.

[accordboi_02]

Originally posted by szw

Maybe that's why nobody is taking you seriously.

Or maybe it's because he is telling us to vote NDP... :devil:

Seriously though, I don't mind helping out the less fortunate and such, but when I get a nice paycheck, and 60% (yes, actual number!) goes to taxes, I'm not a happy camper... especially when it seems that this money has gone straight into the pockets of the Liberals' rich friends... Adscam anyone??

Show me a government that can RESPONSIBLY handle our tax dollars, and I may consider it - until then, I'd rather keep my money in my pocket, because at least that way I KNOW it's being handled the way I want it to be.

[Toma]

60% of your check goes to taxes? Nope. Not in Alberta.

[iceburns288]

So, the NDP is a bunch of Commies? What are they? Sound kinda Commie to me...

I hope y'all don't have an election like we did last time. We had no good candidates: G. Bush (why did he have to win?) A. Gore (why did he get hte nomination?) and R. Nader (why did he enter in the first place?).

This time, it's almost as bad with Bush, Kerry, and *sigh* Nader...

[thich]

they're the most left you can go in Canada in terms of the big name parties... there is also a communist party in Canada but they dun get enuff votes anyways.

NDP is super socialist

[accordboi_02]

Originally posted by Toma
60% of your check goes to taxes? Nope. Not in Alberta.

CPP, Federal Income Tax, EI... they took it all... this isn't on every check, only my larger ones.

[sputnik]

Originally posted by accordboi_02


CPP, Federal Income Tax, EI... they took it all... this isn't on every check, only my larger ones.

The maximum that you can be taxed is 42.5%

29.5% - Federal Income Tax
10.0% - Alberta Income Tax
3.0% - CPP/EI

[Alpine Autowerks]

Originally posted by sputnik


The maximum that you can be taxed is 42.5%

29.5% - Federal Income Tax
10.0% - Alberta Income Tax
3.0% - CPP/EI

Those are the front end taxes, don't forget they get you in the back door too !

GST 7%
~2/3 of your fuel, booze, smokes
user fees
customs duties and levies
property taxes
they get 55-60% by the time they let you go home with your money.

[Toma]

No arguing that.... probably 80% or more counting it all.

[Gweedo]

http://pub61.ezboard.com/fthelandofboykofrm15.showMessage?topicID=53.topic

Why voting NDP is starting to seem like a better and better idea.

[ninspeed]

NDP can go lick a mad cows balls... now have a nice day

[TheBiz]

Gweedo, as human nature when someone has something IE money, there is some resistance equated with having to let it go.

If you understand that statement it means, that why should we have to give up what we have to help others that for the most part dont seek out work?

Dont give me a story about hardships they go through day to day, if you were really that concerned with helping the poor, you would not have internet, you would be poor and convincing your other poor buddies that it is okay to leech of the hardworkers.

[method]

yeah who cares about the hardships other people go through. whoopty do, all they're doing is leeching off you.

who cares how they ended up in that situation. I mean, maybe their family provider was struck with MS and cant get life insurance, and never got disability benefits, and now the family is screwed... yeah who cares about them, you're sitting pretty while your fellow man is eating out of garbage bins.

maybe you agree with the solution of rounding up the homeless and gassing them to death? I wouldnt be surprised if some of you did, you fucking fascists.

[962 kid]

It's curious

All of our social saftey nets were created and cared for and funded under Liberal & Conservative rule (since we have never have had a federal NDP government) yet the far left seems to feel that they are the guardians and riteful protectors of systems they did not build. They constantly "Cry Wolf" and view any and all changes as the road to US style health care.

[method]

that's because they're the opposition you dingbat. the opposition jumps on whatever it can, like hungry rats fighting over the last scrap of food. just look how blown up this merriam bredard thing has gotten... they find something to go insane about, and then all hell breaks loose.. doesnt just have to be the ndp either, any party in the house will find whatever they can - its just how our political system works.

[peacekeeper]

it's been said that once a democracy is set up, it is human nature to try to break it down again. by this i mean that once we are sitting pretty and people have their services, they start to take advantage of it. no, i'm not talking about the poor taking advantage of it, i'm talking about the rich.
"bad for big business"? Canada is one of the easiest countries to invest in worldwide. we actually have LESS regulations than the states! why do you think it is that American companies are slowly...nope...make that quickly seeping into Canada and taking over everything. 96% of foreign investment in Canada is not for the growth of Canadian companies, it is for their takeovers (eg. did you know that tim hortons is now owned by americans?). Canadian banks actually fund these takeovers. This is the hollowing out of Canada. When all of our stores here are not "homegrown" the cost is excrutiating. All of the head offices relocate to American cities and we're left with a multitude of minimum wage "working for the man" kind of jobs. not to mention that the profits don't even stay in Canada.

Yes we do need corporations in our country. they do provide a lot of jobs and really help our economy. But we cannot be letting these corporations come in to take advantage of us. just look at what's happening to our natural resources. under NAFTA, we are not allowed to charge the USA more for OUR oil than we pay ourselves (keep in mind that USA decide how much oil sells for). we used to make sure that we had a reserve of "just in case we run out" oil that would last bout 15 years. now that's all been sucked up. Now America is pushing our governments to supply them with an unending source of OUR water. Meanwhile the states have protected their agriculture and lumber industries by putting large tarrifs on our goods! The NDP realizes these unfair conditions more than any other party. Along with their commitment to our social programs (which does not only help the poor, it helps the environment, small companies, students, the sick, and the old and retiring), the NDP has a stong commitment to our country.
Conservatives say we have to look out for our future. Their future includes Canada being the 51st star on the American flag.

[Alpine Autowerks]

Originally posted by method
that's because they're the opposition you dingbat.

Nice and eloquent.

The NDP barely qualifies as a recognized party let alone the status of the opposition.

[method]

any party opposing the 'ruling' party is opposition.

I didn't say 'official opposition' now did I?

way to be.

[sputnik]

Originally posted by method
yeah who cares about the hardships other people go through. whoopty do, all they're doing is leeching off you.

who cares how they ended up in that situation. I mean, maybe their family provider was struck with MS and cant get life insurance, and never got disability benefits, and now the family is screwed... yeah who cares about them, you're sitting pretty while your fellow man is eating out of garbage bins.

maybe you agree with the solution of rounding up the homeless and gassing them to death? I wouldnt be surprised if some of you did, you fucking fascists.

People who are legitimately ill should be covered... unfortunately 95% of the people using government assistance are taking advantage of the system due to bad decisions they continually make in life.

No one said that someone with MS or some other disability should be hung out to dry.

[rice_eater]

If you want to vote NDP look what a good job their doing in BC :rolleyes:

[sputnik]

Originally posted by rice_eater
If you want to vote NDP look what a good job their doing in BC :rolleyes:

:werd:

or in Manitoba

[rice_eater]

fuck they should have a survey to see what percent of alberta's population, especially Calgary is from BC and Saskatchewan

[method]

Originally posted by sputnik


People who are legitimately ill should be covered...

yet many are not. funny thing.




unfortunately 95% of the people using government assistance are taking advantage of the system due to bad decisions they continually make in life.

where are these numbers coming from? are you just pulling them out of your ass? bad decisions they CONTINUALLY make? since when? you have proof that nearly everyone that uses government assistance has a life that is a string of bad decisions?

our legal system, and our society is based on the idea that people can reform given the right circumstances. but fuck that, we shouldnt give them the chance.



No one said that someone with MS or some other disability should be hung out to dry.

yet it's an all too common occurrance that people with disabilities, particularly alzheimers and schizophrenia, are hung out to dry.


the premier of this province told homeless people that they're useless, lazy and they should get a job, and he's a fucking ALCOHOLIC. yeah he's one to preach, and so are the rest of you. sad sad world we live in.

[szw]

jeez NDP people have so much anger!

[T5_X]

WTF? Don't talk about BC politics if you know absolutly NOTHING about it. NDP is back in the lead in the polls, probably because people realized that the liberals fucked everything up and didn't do anything they promised.

[sputnik]

Originally posted by method

the premier of this province told homeless people that they're useless, lazy and they should get a job, and he's a fucking ALCOHOLIC. yeah he's one to preach, and so are the rest of you. sad sad world we live in.

He actually quit drinking.

He also took the Alberta debt from $20 Billion to $3.4 Billion. The NDP would probably have Alberta even deeper in debt with very little to show for it in the end.

[sputnik]

Originally posted by rice_eater
fuck they should have a survey to see what percent of alberta's population, especially Calgary is from BC and Saskatchewan

There are quite a few from Manitoba and Ontario as well. Its amazing what happens when you dont punish people for working hard and you dont give people (disabled exempt) raises for collecting a welfare cheque or for working a minimum wage job.

[peacekeeper]

Your little survey about where Albertans originally come from is completely meaningless. Manitoba (with its NDP government) had the largest population growth of 2003. How do you explain that? Perhaps it's our low cost of living, the fact that students come here for the great government support or maybe it's because we know that the NDP cares more about communities that companies.
The Human Rights Museum is just one example.


Originally posted by Alpine Autowerks


"Human Rights Museum, biggest in the world":whocares:

that just became LAST in list of museums that I would vist (way behind the gopher museum in Torrington)
:whocares:

It's really too bad that some people feel this way. Not only is the Human Rights Museum going to be a great educational tool, it will also bring huge revenue to Winnipeg, Manitoba and Canada. A hostel is also being built beside this world class building. The Museum is expected to bring over 100,000 people per year, many of whom will be students travelling to open their minds.
The fact that you'd rather visit a gopher museum says a lot. No wonder you're conservative.

[sputnik]

Originally posted by peacekeeper
Your little survey about where Albertans originally come from is completely meaningless. Manitoba (with its NDP government) had the largest population growth of 2003. How do you explain that? Perhaps it's our low cost of living, the fact that students come here for the great government support or maybe it's because we know that the NDP cares more about communities that companies.
The Human Rights Museum is just one example.

It's really too bad that some people feel this way. Not only is the Human Rights Museum going to be a great educational tool, it will also bring huge revenue to Winnipeg, Manitoba and Canada. A hostel is also being built beside this world class building. The Museum is expected to bring over 100,000 people per year, many of whom will be students travelling to open their minds.
The fact that you'd rather visit a gopher museum says a lot. No wonder you're conservative.

This will be a $60 Million dollar project blocks away from the poorest and scariest area of Winnipeg. Hopefully that doesnt scare away the tourists that plan on visiting the museum.

I think that $60 Million would go a long way in repairing Winnipegs crumbling infrastructure or go into the health care situation that Gary Doer has yet to even start fixing. Even though he promised it in his election campaign 6 years ago.

As for Manitoba having the largest increase in 2003 I would really like to see where you got that statistic from.

As for low cost of living, Winnipeg has had recently had a huge housing boom lately. This has caused housing prices to skyrocket in the past year. For you this must be a problem, so are companies supposed to start paying more to compensate for the increase in the cost of living? How do you expect them to do that if the government keeps taxing them so heavily?