boy cars are quick

[r3ccOs]

Didn't realize how many low-mid 5 economical cars there are out there these days...

got a rental A3 2.0 Quattro and just reading some road tests, they are 5.4 to 60 and can quarter just under 14... and a lot thanks to the DSG

but wow, I mean well built small displacement turbo engines are really all the rage, and I'm feeling that not only has drivability improved, but with the fat low end torque these engines produce, mid-200 hp cars are making it very economical to purchase speed.

I was very very surprised how quick my neighbor's 228i, and how if you look at hp/torque figures... how is it possible that this car has figures that can keep up with much higher HP vehicles?

To shave off half a second off the performance of the 228 on the 0-60 or even quarter mile time, you need what appears to be either substantially more displacement or boost.

Is this 4 cyl mid-200 hp w/ 260lbs of torque @ 1200 RPM the new normal?

With how VAG started this trend with the TFSI, Ford 2.3/2.7 engines are being shoehorned everywhere, Hyundai and Kia's boosted 2.0, Volvo's supercharged/turbo'd 2.0 and now the Germans... I think it must be

[Aleks]

Originally posted by r3ccOs
Didn't realize how many low-mid 5 economical cars there are out there these days...

got a rental A3 2.0 Quattro and just reading some road tests, they are 5.4 to 60 and can quarter just under 14... and a lot thanks to the DSG

but wow, I mean well built small displacement turbo engines are really all the rage, and I'm feeling that not only has drivability improved, but with the fat low end torque these engines produce, mid-200 hp cars are making it very economical to purchase speed.

I was very very surprised how quick my neighbor's 228i, and how if you look at hp/torque figures... how is it possible that this car has figures that can keep up with much higher HP vehicles?

To shave off half a second off the performance of the 228 on the 0-60 or even quarter mile time, you need what appears to be either substantially more displacement or boost.

Is this 4 cyl mid-200 hp w/ 260lbs of torque @ 1200 RPM the new normal?

With how VAG started this trend with the TFSI, Ford 2.3/2.7 engines are being shoehorned everywhere, Hyundai and Kia's boosted 2.0, Volvo's supercharged/turbo'd 2.0 and now the Germans... I think it must be

You've driven the two of the best 2.0T engines in the world. Not all small turbo engines are equal and then it highly depends what vehicles they are in. Some German manufacturers also underrate their engine outputs.

[Buster]

I think a lot of the time the engines are under-rated as well...especially the midlevel ones. That's always been BMWs trick.

[BavarianBeast]

Under 4 seconds 0-60 is quick nowadays.

[btimbit]

Very true. Even a new Golf with the 1.8 Turbo is no slouch. Especially considering how much cheaper one could be had compared to a gTI with the 2.0.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by r3ccOs
Is this 4 cyl mid-200 hp w/ 260lbs of torque @ 1200 RPM the new normal?

Yes. This should replace traditional V6 except when the vehicle is heavy or need tow something.

Turbo 4s are now being brought on to due with emission/CAFE standard imposed by governments.

Now that there are 10 states that also have ZEV mandates, expect EV to improve and replace ICE market share as well.

[born2workoncars]

VAG motors are nuts.

This guy is into his s4 for $25-30k USD including the car itself. 20 year old motor technology. I don't think you could build a faster car for less money? The new motors are very impressive, but I think the 2.7t might end up as the GOAT.

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[90_Shelby]

Originally posted by born2workoncars

I don't think you could build a faster car for less money?



An Audi??????????? :nut:

[Sugarphreak]

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[That.Guy.S30]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Let's not get crazy here...

How much is an Accord 6-6 these days?


More than you can afford pal... vtec

[max_boost]

Tempted to pick up a girly TT-RS lol

[Redlined_8000]

Bolt ons and tune on the Golf R gives it potential to run 11s in the 1/4 (some guy just did it in Edmonton 2 weeks ago)

Cars are getting crazy. Its awesome.

[jwslam]

The importance of commas: I was wondering what "girl cars" are slow? :dunno:

[Sonic]

Quick girl cars....Audi TT, Mercedes SLK, Mini Cooper S

[Sugarphreak]

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[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Let's not get crazy here...

How much is an Accord 6-6 these days?

Better snap one up quick, no V6 for 2018. I think it's amazing to own a fuel sipping, quiet, reliable daily driver that is as fast as a '94 LT1 Corvette.

It's a great time to be a car enthusiast imo.

UpiMi24mwjE

My brother's MK7 GTI is unbelievable for a little 2.0 turbo 4 cylinder. It gives you a nice big hit of low end torque off the line and pulls pretty hard.

[J-hop]

The LT1 corvette isn't a fast car by today's standards man. Not to mention that car is 2 years away from being able to get classic car insurance! New vettes are running in the 11s/low 12s depending which one you buy.

Crazy to see how emissions killed performance for a long while. Our parents generation were building backyard 12 second cars and now we get excited about breaking into the 13s.

Good to see guys going to turbo v8s. The phrase of the early 2000s of "boost - a replacement for displacement" is such BS. Boost complements displacement :rofl:

[jwslam]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Regular mini coopers, Miata's, every Lexus convertible, Beetles, Ford Expeditions... :D
Not sure when 2 series became "boy cars" LOL

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by J-hop
The LT1 corvette isn't a fast car by today's standards man. Not to mention that car is 2 years away from being able to get classic car insurance! New vettes are running in the 11s/low 12s depending which one you buy.

Crazy to see how emissions killed performance for a long while. Our parents generation were building backyard 12 second cars and now we get excited about breaking into the 13s.

Good to see guys going to turbo v8s. The phrase of the early 2000s of "boost - a replacement for displacement" is such BS. Boost complements displacement :rofl:

If I told you in 1994 that my accord could give your 6 speed LT1 corvette a good race you'd never believe it. You're kinda missing what I'm getting at. We have camrys, accords, golfs that are as fast or faster than some of the top dog V8 muscle cars were 20 years ago. Now that is progression!

I'm not too thrilled about this move to forced induction across the board. I think it's great for people who don't keep cars out of warranty though and just want something quick.

[mr2mike]

They went forced induction back in the early 80s for production vehicles. I'm assuming it was cut because most people don't maintain their vehicle and would run problems that cost way too much to repair.

Doesn't the BMW 335 motor have issues a few years down the road with carbon build up? Now guys are working on a way to clean that up cost effectively?

Guess we do run a more, use and dispose society now.

[jabjab]

Originally posted by Sonic
Quick girl cars....Audi TT, Mercedes SLK, Mini Cooper S

The TT with some tuning is a very fun and fast car. Handles amazing too

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by mr2mike
They went forced induction back in the early 80s for production vehicles. I'm assuming it was cut because most people don't maintain their vehicle and would run problems that cost way too much to repair.

Doesn't the BMW 335 motor have issues a few years down the road with carbon build up? Now guys are working on a way to clean that up cost effectively?

Guess we do run a more, use and dispose society now.

You just nailed it, we are in a disposal society 100%. Drive today, junk tomorrow. How long can that last?? :rofl:

[J-hop]

Everyone wants new is the problem. No one wants a 94 vette when they can get a new accord 6-6 :)

Out of curiosity how many people here don't have a car younger than 10 years old? I'm guessing almost no one but me (ok my youngest car is 9 years old if I'm honest)

How many people actually wrench on their own cars? Probably more but I bet a lot less on here than you'd think.

[Disoblige]

Originally posted by J-hop

Out of curiosity how many people here don't have a car younger than 10 years old? I'm guessing almost no one but me (ok my youngest car is 9 years old if I'm honest)
Don't have a car younger? So confusing lol :nut:
So... A car older than 10 years old, that's a lot of people. That's 2006 and older basically, which is still so "new" when you think about it.

[Jonathanl10]

The new Civic 1.5T practically dynos at 200 HP and torque from the crank and Car and Driver ran it 6.8 0-60mph on shit Firestone tires so a lot of cars nowadays aren't as slow as you think.

I also get 35 mpg in it :poosie:

[J-hop]

Originally posted by Disoblige

Don't have a car younger? So confusing lol :nut:
So... A car older than 10 years old, that's a lot of people. That's 2006 and older basically, which is still so "new" when you think about it.

Yea don't have a car younger, as in none of the cars you own are younger than 10 years old. My 08 (yea I know 9 years) car feels like a brand new right off the showroom car to me haha.

This comment was directed at the "disposable" attitude people take towards cars which I think is based a lot on image and having to have the latest stuff.

[revelations]

Originally posted by J-hop

This comment was directed at the "disposable" attitude people take towards cars which I think is based a lot on image and having to have the latest stuff.

Welcome to North America. In the rest of the world, this mindset is no where near as prevalent (save for big cities in Mainland China).

[benyl]

Originally posted by Hallowed_point

If I told you in 1994 that my accord could give your 6 speed LT1 corvette a good race you'd never believe it. You're kinda missing what I'm getting at. We have camrys, accords, golfs that are as fast or faster than some of the top dog V8 muscle cars were 20 years ago. Now that is progression!


You have to either compare "top dogs" or compare same year vehicles. Comparing a 20 year newer vehicle to the middle of the road corvette doesn't make the most sense.

The V6 accord made 170 hp in 1995.

The LT1 made 300hp.

The "top dog" as you call it was the ZR-1 with an LT5 that made 405hp and did 0-60 in 4.4 seconds.

Your 6-6 doesn't match any of that performance.

Yes, there has been progress, but if you compare the performance of any model that was available in 1994 to it's current counter part, you will see progress.

[riander5]

Originally posted by Hallowed_point


Better snap one up quick, no V6 for 2018. I think it's amazing to own a fuel sipping, quiet, reliable daily driver that is as fast as a '94 LT1 Corvette.

Yea but... then the ls1 came out 3 years later. So your car is faster than a 20 year old muscle car, but not a 17 year old one.

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by riander5
Yea but... then the ls1 came out 3 years later. So your car is faster than a 20 year old muscle car, but not a 17 year old one.

Splitting hairs but yes, you're correct. And it's more just how far everyday cars have come along performance wise. A sub 6 second 0-60 used to be serious muscle car or even exotic car performance benchmark 25-30 years ago.

As an earlier poster said, 4's are the new 5's :nut: What freaks me out is joe suburban dad/wifey in his RS7 which 0-60's in what 3.4 seconds? Unlike the old days where cars that did a 0-60 in under 5 were summer only toys like F40's and only came with 3 pedals.

We have all season cars that have insane performance with next to none of the compromise. That scares me to think of that level of performance in the hands of someone who does not respect it.

Everything ain't for everyone imo. High performance has become a little too accessible and "easy" for a lack of a better word. With that in mind, restrictive safety/nannies and auto transmissions are the future.

[Sonic]

Originally posted by Jonathanl10
The new Civic 1.5T practically dynos at 200 HP and torque from the crank and Car and Driver ran it 6.8 0-60mph on shit Firestone tires so a lot of cars nowadays aren't as slow as you think.

I also get 35 mpg in it :poosie:

6.8 is considered decent now? Lol...Hondas :rolleyes:

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by benyl


You have to either compare "top dogs" or compare same year vehicles. Comparing a 20 year newer vehicle to the middle of the road corvette doesn't make the most sense.

The V6 accord made 170 hp in 1995.

The LT1 made 300hp.

The "top dog" as you call it was the ZR-1 with an LT5 that made 405hp and did 0-60 in 4.4 seconds.

Your 6-6 doesn't match any of that performance.

Yes, there has been progress, but if you compare the performance of any model that was available in 1994 to it's current counter part, you will see progress.

Fair enough. What I meant by that is cars considered to be general benchmarks for affordable performance such as the LT1 Corvette, Mustang Cobra (non 03/04 models!) I don't think I've ever even seen an LT5 ZR1 on the streets here. I'm talking performance cars which were accessible to the average middle class guy. Vipers, ZR-1s etc wouldn't be in that category to me.

[jwslam]

Originally posted by Sonic
6.8 is considered decent now? Lol...Hondas :rolleyes:
Considering a 0-60 on a 1992 Civic Si is 8.4 while the EX was 9.3, yes that is fast.

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by jwslam
Considering a 0-60 on a 1992 Civic Si is 8.4 while the EX was 9.3, yes that is fast. That's crazy. And agree. For what it is, it's fast. Heck, that's almost as fast as the prior gen Si (sub 7 second 0-60.)

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Sonic


6.8 is considered decent now? Lol...Hondas :rolleyes:

dial back 2 decades, you need a 3.5L v6 to get that.

And once you hit that 7s mark, cars are much more driveable, especially when transmission isn't manual.

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by Xtrema


dial back 2 decades, you need a 3.5L v6 to get that.

And once you hit that 7s mark, cars are much more driveable, especially when transmission isn't manual. Funny guy :rofl:

[Sugarphreak]

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[killramos]

I wonder how many more posts before "supercar" gets tossed around...

[ercchry]

Originally posted by jwslam

Considering a 0-60 on a 1992 Civic Si is 8.4 while the EX was 9.3, yes that is fast.

There is nothing "fast" about 0-60.... you're only doing 60 at the end of it! The word is quick... cars are quick these days, you can be quick with the right gearing and power band, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be a fast car

[Sugarphreak]

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[killramos]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


But.... I live my life 50 feet at a time

Maybe in Vancouver traffic :rofl:

[R!zz0]

Fast cars? Honda?

My lug nuts require more torque than your Honda makes :rofl:

[Sugarphreak]

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[killramos]

Lol I just bought my car to listen to the V8

Also reading > SP

https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehicles/model/class-C/model-C63WS

But who's counting... :rofl:

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by R!zz0
Fast cars? Honda?

My lug nuts require more torque than your Honda makes :rofl: If your lug nuts require more than 250 ft lbs, I want to know what you're driving.

Always thought that was a strange saying as most wheels are torqued to a max of what 100 ft lbs? Even the lowly civic makes more than that and has for quite awhile.

[Sugarphreak]

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[JustinL]

Another factor that hasn't been touched on in this thread yet is tire technology. I don't know what tires came with a '94 Vette, but I'm pretty sure they would be considered junk by today's standards. I'd bet an F40 with modern tires could demolish it's 1987 0-60 time.

I have the same problem with 'ring times. The new civic set a fast time, and they made all kinds of lists of iconic cars that it's faster than... but they've never put those same tires on say a 2002 996 GT2 and re-run the older cars to see what they can do today.

[killramos]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Oh... my bad, I didn't realize you had a US one and not the slower Canadian version. :D

Mercedes-AMG C 63 S Sedan (2017)MSRP* $84,100.00
General technical data
Fuel type: Premium
Net power (503 hp)
Acceleration 0-100 km/h: 4.0 s
Top speed: 290 km/h
Fuel economy
Fuel consumption - city 13.4 l/100 km****
Fuel consumption - highway 9.6 l/100 km****


Leave it to a drafter to screw up the units :rofl:

:poosie:

I really don't care, but at least get your burns right man :burnout:

:love:

[Sugarphreak]

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[killramos]

You live in Vancouver now. Just buy a tesla and be done with it :rofl:

[Sugarphreak]

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[Sonic]

Originally posted by ercchry


There is nothing "fast" about 0-60.... you're only doing 60 at the end of it! The word is quick... cars are quick these days, you can be quick with the right gearing and power band, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be a fast car

Tell that to every Honda Civic coupe, Kia Forte, Dodge Dart, and Chevy Cruze owner in this city :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ...a lot trash talk about BMW drivers overcompensating, but I find the owners of those 4 cars much worse :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: especially the Dodge Darts, wtf is with those owners?!?

[J-hop]

Originally posted by jwslam

Considering a 0-60 on a 1992 Civic Si is 8.4 while the EX was 9.3, yes that is fast.


There is a huge difference between "fast" and "fast for a..."

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by Sonic
Tell that to every Honda Civic coupe, Kia Forte, Dodge Dart, and Chevy Cruze owner in this city :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ...a lot trash talk about BMW drivers overcompensating, but I find the owners of those 4 cars much worse :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: especially the Dodge Darts, wtf is with those owners?!? Yeah, I agree on Dodge Darts. I have a buddy with horrible credit who has one and that was all he could get. He's upgraded the exhaust and has also done all sorts of other questionable cosmetic mods to it. It sounds terrible.

[Sentry]

Originally posted by ercchry
There is nothing "fast" about 0-60.... you're only doing 60 at the end of it! The word is quick... cars are quick these days, you can be quick with the right gearing and power band, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be a fast car
This. Also quoting magazine times on an NA car doesn't mean shit for Calgary's 3500ft elevation.


Originally posted by JustinL
Another factor that hasn't been touched on in this thread yet is tire technology. I don't know what tires came with a '94 Vette, but I'm pretty sure they would be considered junk by today's standards. I'd bet an F40 with modern tires could demolish it's 1987 0-60 time.

I have the same problem with 'ring times. The new civic set a fast time, and they made all kinds of lists of iconic cars that it's faster than... but they've never put those same tires on say a 2002 996 GT2 and re-run the older cars to see what they can do today.
Also this. 94 Vette probably had some 480 treadwear Goodyear Gatorbacks or some shit. :rofl:

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by Sentry

This. Also quoting magazine times on an NA car doesn't mean shit for Calgary's 3500ft elevation.


Also this. 94 Vette probably had some 480 treadwear Goodyear Gatorbacks or some shit. :rofl:

Goodyear eagle GS-3's. 220 treadwear. I mean, we are not talking old school white wall tires here.

If you're comparing one N/A car to another, elevation is irrelevant.

[Jonathanl10]

Well... Considering how the new Civic pulls equally if not faster compared to the 9th gen Si and gets 50% better fuel economy doing it, I'd say that's an improvement that is relevant to this thread. Also, my 2014 1.8 CVT took like 8.5 seconds so it went from 'dangerously slow' to 'pleasantly surprised'.

But wait, it's Beyond and therefore everyone circlejerks over their AMG and how 'quick' is defined as 3 seconds... Which 90% of people on this planet don't have the benefit of.

[Jonathanl10]

Originally posted by Hallowed_point
If your lug nuts require more than 250 ft lbs, I want to know what you're driving.

Always thought that was a strange saying as most wheels are torqued to a max of what 100 ft lbs? Even the lowly civic makes more than that and has for quite awhile. Well it's a joke, but to be perfectly honest, considering the new engine is practically making 200 ft lbs at the crank at 1700 rpm, the whole stereotype of Hondas that are torqueless is starting to fade. Hell, my car doesn't even have VTEC but it does shove me into my seat a little now, something past Hondas have never done. (Except the 6-6)

[max_boost]

Lol beyond.

It ain't the car. It's who's behind the wheel. - Dom

In a straight line give me launch control and PDK all day.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by Jonathanl10


But wait, it's Beyond and therefore everyone circlejerks over their AMG and how 'quick' is defined as 3 seconds... Which 90% of people on this planet don't have the benefit of.

It's closer to 99.5%

:rofl:

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by Jonathanl10
But wait, it's Beyond and therefore everyone circlejerks over their AMG and how 'quick' is defined as 3 seconds... Which 90% of people on this planet don't have the benefit of.
:werd: I agree. Fastest car I've owned was in the 4.5 second range for 0-60. That was more than fast enough for a street car (for me.) Once you get into the 3 second range, I can't see how you could enjoy that power on the street without losing your licence. It would be awesome to enjoy that kind of acceleration if our speed limits weren't so neutered. No 3 pedals = no care.

[b_t]

Originally posted by J-hop
Everyone wants new is the problem. No one wants a 94 vette when they can get a new accord 6-6 :)

Out of curiosity how many people here don't have a car younger than 10 years old? I'm guessing almost no one but me (ok my youngest car is 9 years old if I'm honest)

How many people actually wrench on their own cars? Probably more but I bet a lot less on here than you'd think.

daily turns 10 years old in just a couple months

weekend car turns 30 next year. I wrench on it. feels good to work on a car again

classics have always been more interesting than new cars and that is more true now than ever

[never]

Originally posted by Hallowed_point

:werd: I agree. Fastest car I've owned was in the 4.5 second range for 0-60. That was more than fast enough for a street car (for me.) Once you get into the 3 second range, I can't see how you could enjoy that power on the street without losing your licence. It would be awesome to enjoy that kind of acceleration if our speed limits weren't so neutered. No 3 pedals = no care.

It's easy...you just don't have to drive like a douchebag all of the time. My last car could do 0-60 in about 2.7-2.8 seconds based on the logs. But it's not like you're trying to do that at every light. And for me, with lots of power comes more mellow driving...I know what the car can do so there's no need to drive it flat out all of the time. Not to say that "spirited" driving didn't occur in certain circumstances.

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by never
It's easy...you just don't have to drive like a douchebag all of the time. My last car could do 0-60 in about 2.7-2.8 seconds based on the logs. But it's not like you're trying to do that at every light. And for me, with lots of power comes more mellow driving...I know what the car can do so there's no need to drive it flat out all of the time. Not to say that "spirited" driving didn't occur in certain circumstances. I guess it depends on the car and whether or not it's a rocket stock with good street ability or heavily modified with aggressive gearing and poor street ability. It's like anything else, once you become accustomed to the power it loses that initial buzz. Truth be told, I hardly ever lit up the tires in the camaro because it was red and loud..too much of a heat score already. So I agree with you on that. I wasn't too worried about beating some dude in his Cobalt LT.

[never]

Originally posted by b_t


daily turns 10 years old in just a couple months

weekend car turns 30 next year. I wrench on it. feels good to work on a car again

classics have always been more interesting than new cars and that is more true now than ever

It's weird because my daily is a 2006 and I don't think of it as being that old. But in the 90s, having a car from the 80s felt ancient!

[never]

Originally posted by Hallowed_point
I guess it depends on the car and whether or not it's a rocket stock with good street ability or heavily modified with aggressive gearing and poor street ability. It's like anything else, once you become accustomed to the power it loses that initial buzz. Truth be told, I hardly ever lit up the tires in the camaro because it was red and loud..too much of a heat score already. So I agree with you on that. I wasn't too worried about beating some dude in his Cobalt LT.

That's the cool thing about newer performance cars like the Cadillac I had...it was that fast with some minor mods, was comfy as a daily, it went on a 4000 km road trip without any problems, cornered well, and had all of the creature comforts. No real sacrifices there.

When I was at the drag strip all of the time in the 90s, fast street legal cars were running 9s and 10s...and they generally weren't very streetable. A 12 second regular driving streetcar was fast. Now at a Castrol street legal, you see luxury sedans running 10s or 11s on back-to-back passes and 12 second passes are so common that no one really cares. It is really impressive how much quicker everything is these days.

[rage2]

15 years later, Honda fanboys are still so defensive. :rofl:

[jwslam]

Originally posted by never
It's weird because my daily is a 2006 and I don't think of it as being that old. But in the 90s, having a car from the 80s felt ancient!
It's also relative to age and what your friends are driving.

i.e. High school days - Rich friends all have brand new cars and you're in a 10 year old "clunker"

Also if you think about it, if 20 year old today drives a 1998 accord, that's driving a vehicle almost the same age as the driver. Whereas a 40 year old driving a 1998 accord, that might've been the first car they bought when they got a job!

I also think it has to do with aging in general, that when you're 18 you're keeping up constantly with new models coming out thinking "that car is 3 years old", whereas nowadays you're barely looking at "oh that was 3 generations ago"

[killramos]

Originally posted by rage2
15 years later, Honda fanboys are still so defensive. :rofl: :rofl:

[ercchry]

I find I still use my right foot a lot... mostly due to traffic patterns in this fucking city, if I punch it just right, and weaved myself to the front of the line before it turned red then I have a 60% chance of actually making the next light :rofl:

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by never
That's the cool thing about newer performance cars like the Cadillac I had...it was that fast with some minor mods, was comfy as a daily, it went on a 4000 km road trip without any problems, cornered well, and had all of the creature comforts. No real sacrifices there.

When I was at the drag strip all of the time in the 90s, fast street legal cars were running 9s and 10s...and they generally weren't very streetable. A 12 second regular driving streetcar was fast. Now at a Castrol street legal, you see luxury sedans running 10s or 11s on back-to-back passes and 12 second passes are so common that no one really cares. It is really impressive how much quicker everything is these days. True that man! Zero sacrifices with a V except for maybe fuel economy. But I think they have a pretty decent fuel capacity for a road trip.

I do agree. 400 hp used to be a lot. Now the envelope has been pushed so far that people barely pay attention unless you're making close to 1000. Where do we go from here? :rofl:

[b_t]

Originally posted by Hallowed_point
True that man! Zero sacrifices with a V except for maybe fuel economy. But I think they have a pretty decent fuel capacity for a road trip.

I do agree. 400 hp used to be a lot. Now the envelope has been pushed so far that people barely pay attention unless you're making close to 1000. Where do we go from here? :rofl:

electrics with 1,500lb-ft of torque from 0rpm

enjoy combustion engines while they last. I got a rotary so I can burn more gas and oil in the next 5 years than I've done in the last 15. Gotta go out with a bang yknow

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by b_t
electrics with 1,500lb-ft of torque from 0rpm

enjoy combustion engines while they last. I got a rotary so I can burn more gas and oil in the next 5 years than I've done in the last 15. Gotta go out with a bang yknow Yep. Sad reality. Especially for those of us who don't care about efficiency as much as having a car that makes noise.

I just pray that we can continue to purchase gas for many years.

[rage2]

Originally posted by ercchry
I find I still use my right foot a lot... mostly due to traffic patterns in this fucking city, if I punch it just right, and weaved myself to the front of the line before it turned red then I have a 60% chance of actually making the next light :rofl:
haha no doubt. This is also where having tons of hp and AWD has clear advantages. That 60% chance increases significantly if you have over 400hp at your disposal. :rofl:

[Sentry]

Oh man, going down 6ave from Macleod to Bow Tr. can take 4 minutes or 15 minutes depending on lights, and god help you if you get stuck at 9st waiting for Ctrains to pass.

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by rage2
haha no doubt. This is also where having tons of hp and AWD has clear advantages. That 60% chance increases significantly if you have over 400hp at your disposal. :rofl: If we didn't have so many tard drivers and 7 months of winter, a sport touring bike would be on my menu. The sheer size of a car makes it tough to get around all of the drones regardless of grip and hp.

[rage2]

Originally posted by Sentry
Oh man, going down 6ave from Macleod to Bow Tr. can take 4 minutes or 15 minutes depending on lights, and god help you if you get stuck at 9st waiting for Ctrains to pass.
The 4 car trains aren't helping. If a 4 car train gets stuck turning onto 7th Ave or has to wait to get across 5th Ave, the 4th car blocks 6th Ave for minutes at a time. I see that shit every single day.

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[rage2]

I guess the Tessa doesn't have this problem...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/video/motors/the-grand-tour-boys-discuss-the-most-pointless-invention-ever-created-on-a-car/

[ercchry]

Originally posted by rage2

haha no doubt. This is also where having tons of hp and AWD has clear advantages. That 60% chance increases significantly if you have over 400hp at your disposal. :rofl:

I guess my modest 4.4 0-60 only gets me 60% :cry:

Or the south end of town requires 500hp+ :rofl:

[rage2]

South end of town is 700ft lower than the NW side of town, so you get a bit of free hp there if you're NA.

[Aleks]

Originally posted by ercchry


I guess my modest 4.4 0-60 only gets me 60% :cry:

Or the south end of town requires 500hp+ :rofl:

I think you're only at 60% because your 0-60 is probably closer to 5.5s, unless you drive to the NW for whatever reason, then add another few tenths.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


"quick" is a relative term though

In a world where any car worth talking about goes 0-60 in the 4 second range, it isn't really quick anymore.

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I would say anything around 5 seconds 0-60 or under 14 seconds 1/4 mile is quick. Below 4 seconds or under 13 second 1/4 mile is in fast territory.

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by heavyD
I would say anything around 5 seconds 0-60 or under 14 seconds 1/4 mile is quick. Below 4 seconds or under 13 second 1/4 mile is in fast territory. Yep...at or around 5 seconds or under 14 is more than enough to get around 90% of other cars on the road.

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[killramos]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak

Giving feel good labels to slow cars like "Quick" or "Sporty" is just honda talk

ftfy

[J-hop]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
I subscribe to the theory that "If you ain't fast, you're slow"

Giving feel good labels to slow cars like "Quick" or "Sporty" is just millennial talk

Have to agree. It's fine to be slow too, not everyone wants to or can afford to daily a race car haha.

It's funny to compare the perspective of guys that build "real" cars to those that don't (myself included obviously). A mildly boosted LS powered car is only considered "quick" while we argue about who's 13+ second cars is faster

Toma would probably die laughing :(

[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by J-hop
Have to agree. It's fine to be slow too, not everyone wants to or can afford to daily a race car haha.

It's funny to compare the perspective of guys that build "real" cars to those that don't (myself included obviously). A mildly boosted LS powered car is only considered "quick" while we argue about who's 13+ second cars is faster

Toma would probably die laughing :( Totally true. I wish Toma was still on here actually. He had a lot of knowledge to share in spite of the political type posts.

I have no desire to daily a race car, but I love having a daily that can run with an STi :love: Zero compromise.

[ercchry]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
I subscribe to the theory that "If you ain't fast, you're slow"

Giving feel good labels to slow cars like "Quick" or "Sporty" is just millennial talk

Says the FiST owner :rofl:

Had an STi try to keep up yesterday, that was cute

[never]

Originally posted by Hallowed_point
Totally true. I wish Toma was still on here actually. He had a lot of knowledge to share in spite of the political type posts.

I have no desire to daily a race car, but I love having a daily that can run with an STi :love: Zero compromise.

But STis are slow???? :dunno:

[heavyD]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
I subscribe to the theory that "If you ain't fast, you're slow"

Giving feel good labels to slow cars like "Quick" or "Sporty" is just millennial talk

Ha ha ha. You are a weird dude. Millennials didn't invent the word quick and it's been used to describe peppy cars long before you were in diapers.

[heavyD]

Originally posted by never


But STis are slow???? :dunno:

Yeah they are kind of slow stock unless you drive them extremely hard. They can do 4.6 sec 0-60 with a hard (on the car and clutch) launch but the more realistic on the street 5-60 mph time of 6.7 seconds IMO is kind of on the slower side compared to its competition.

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[Hallowed_point]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Haha, I was wondering how long I could drag this out before somebody brought that up... so kudos, lol

Although I will be the first to tell you my car is slow... I just drive it fast! If I drove a fast car fast I'd probably be dead.



By people butt hurt they didn't have a fast car no doubt ;)

They were just before their time

Fastest around them pylons though! :burnout:

[Sugarphreak]

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[ercchry]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


Slow is fast!

I am way more about drivers cars that have a purist feel more than fast cars.

Why can't we have both?!?

[Sugarphreak]

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[killramos]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak

Of course killramos ruined that.... you bastard! haha

http://68.media.tumblr.com/04147111492e893e46b15faa441e6bbc/tumblr_ok2bv42tTT1v2fjfbo3_540.gif

[ercchry]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


I've been looking... best I can find is the M2

Of course killramos ruined that.... you bastard! haha

As for purist cars that can go 0-60 in under 4 seconds.... not much out there under the 150K mark

I have one... just need a $15k supercharger kit :rofl:

[Sugarphreak]

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