Explosion at Manchester Arena

[heinz256]

19 confirmed dead, Scores more injured.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-security-manchester-idUSKBN18I2OP


A blast on Monday night at a concert in the English city of Manchester where U.S. singer Ariana Grande had been performing left at least 19 people dead and about 50 injured in what British police said was being treated as a terrorist incident. Police said they were responding to reports of an explosion and that there were a number of confirmed fatalities and others injured at the arena, which has a capacity for 21,000 people. A witness who attended the concert said she felt a huge blast as she was leaving the arena, followed by screaming and a rush as thousands of people trying to escape.

[Melinda]

Teenage girls and their parents. What a weird crowd to target. This is so sad 🙁

[max_boost]

Terrible. :thumbsdow :thumbsdow :thumbsdow

[TomcoPDR]

Disgusting

[spikerS]

Originally posted by Melinda
Teenage girls and their parents. What a weird crowd to target. This is so sad 🙁

Cowards like this don't really care who the people are, they just pick places where they will wreak the most havoc and/or cause the most damage and/or casualties/injuries.

So most likely, they were targets because there were going to be crowded into a relatively small area where their weapons of choice would be most effective, and get the most media coverage.

RIP.
:cry:

[SportEL]

Yep Mass migration is just working great. Not too long ago the Westminster attack where scores of people were run over and a police offer stabbed to death, and now this bomb where a Nail bomb was reportedly used. Not only that you have the BBC come out with a series covering the rapes of young English girls by Muslim grooming rape gangs over the past 10 years. It's sick. These innocent young children are fair game to attack.

Yet you have politicians saying terror attacks are part and parcel of living in a big city or Terror attacks are part of life like the London Muslim Mayor and new French President Emmanuel Macron.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by Melinda
Teenage girls and their parents. What a weird crowd to target. This is so sad 🙁

Assuming this was another typical Muslim "radical", is there anything more disgusting to them than females freely partaking in that type of environment? Serious question. And, how long do you think till that's Roger's Place or Vancouver/Montreal?

Also, in before racist/islamophobe/generic liberal insult. :zzz:

But within a week you'll hear our worthless PM cowtow to more of this bullshit agenda of "tolerance" and continue to force a mixing of oil and water.

[Sonic]

My question is how was the bomb brought in? Makes you wonder if this could happen at a Flames game...

Also, how many Muslim youth do you think were at this concert... Get your racists heads out of your asses.

I'm against mass immigration too and letting every refugee in without properly vetting them but don't try and say Muslims can't integrate with us. That is just nonsense.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Sonic
My question is how was the bomb brought in? Makes you wonder if this could happen at a Flames game...

I don't think you can carry anything with size that can make that kind of damage. But of course chance is never zero.

[FraserB]

Originally posted by Sonic


Also, how many Muslim youth do you think were at this concert... Get your racists heads out of your asses.

Muslim is a race now? And here I was thinking that it was a term describing a follower of a religion.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by FraserB


Muslim is a race now? And here I was thinking that it was a term describing a follower of a religion.

Called it lol

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE


Assuming this was another typical Muslim "radical", is there anything more disgusting to them than females freely partaking in that type of environment? Serious question. And, how long do you think till that's Roger's Place or Vancouver/Montreal?

Also, in before racist/islamophobe/generic liberal insult. :zzz:

But within a week you'll hear our worthless PM cowtow to more of this bullshit agenda of "tolerance" and continue to force a mixing of oil and water.

:thumbsup:




Originally posted by Sonic


Also, how many Muslim youth do you think were at this concert... Get your racists heads out of your asses.

How do you propose such a terrorist can guarantee no Muslims are killed in a public bombing? It's also obvious that it's not much of a concern for them. In their minds, those Muslims are dying as martyrs.

[Melinda]

Originally posted by Sonic
My question is how was the bomb brought in? Makes you wonder if this could happen at a Flames game...

It happened just outside the arena as people were leaving the show.

[Seth1968]

From the article:


British counter-terrorism police have said they are making on average an arrest every day in connection with suspected terrorism.

Wow.

[SportEL]

Originally posted by Sonic
My question is how was the bomb brought in? Makes you wonder if this could happen at a Flames game...

Also, how many Muslim youth do you think were at this concert... Get your racists heads out of your asses.

I'm against mass immigration too and letting every refugee in without properly vetting them but don't try and say Muslims can't integrate with us. That is just nonsense.

Music is Haram to Muslims. They certainly wouldn't be allowed to listen to Ariana Grande. Muslims are of multiple races; Arabs, Africans, Asians..

If they are integrating so well, why do they congregate together and don't mix with other non-Muslims forming no Go zones?This 'experiment' of Muslims in Europe is going so well with 80 some Sharia Courts in the UK, hundreds of No-go zones throughout Europe, vast areas where people don't feel safe walking outside especially women, because they may be harassed or raped. There is so much crime caused by the Muslim migration such as drugs, shootings, murder and rape. Why is it that Sweden is the rape capital of Europe and isn't it so nice that the government and media is trying to cover it up as they get away with a slap on the wrists for their crimes because they don't want to be 'deemed' racist or they are told from the powers above not to pursue the crimes.

[Sonic]

Originally posted by SportEL


Music is Haram to Muslims. They certainly wouldn't be allowed to listen to Ariana Grande. Muslims are of multiple races; Arabs, Africans, Asians..

If they are integrating so well, why do they congregate together and don't mix with other non-Muslims forming no Go zones?This 'experiment' of Muslims in Europe is going so well with 80 some Sharia Courts in the UK, hundreds of No-go zones throughout Europe, vast areas where people don't feel safe walking outside especially women, because they may be harassed or raped. There is so much crime caused by the Muslim migration such as drugs, shootings, murder and rape. Why is it that Sweden is the rape capital of Europe and isn't it so nice that the government and media is trying to cover it up as they get away with a slap on the wrists for their crimes because they don't want to be 'deemed' racist or they are told from the powers above not to pursue the crimes.

What the hell are you talking about?!...have you ever been there, you said it yourself, the mayor or London is a Muslim. Ya, I bet you think he goes home at the end of the day in his home in the "no-go zone" right. :rolleyes: Done talking you, you obviously have spent too much time reading Rebel News or not enough time talking to people in your own city in your every day life.

Just read your other posts too...wow...take a break and go outside in the world.

[SportEL]

Originally posted by Sonic


What the hell are you talking about?!...have you ever been there, you said it yourself, the mayor or London is a Muslim. Ya, I bet you think he goes home at the end of the day in his home in the "no-go zone" right. :rolleyes: Done talking you, you obviously have spent too much time reading Rebel News or not enough time talking to people in your own city in your every day life.

Just read your other posts too...wow...take a break and go outside in the world.

No, the Political elite and rich celebrities people that are for Open borders and mass muslim migration are just those people that don't have to deal with the situation. They live in their posh location in their countryside and don't have to feel the effects of what they are advocating for. They are just virtue signallers. The lefties protesting are just making the situation worse for themselves voting these sympathisers in.

Why would anyone want to go visit Western Europe now? Where it would have been safe a decade ago, it has only gotten worse and worse. There's more crime, dirtier streets, more people sleeping on the street. Tourism is down 80% in France.

[max_boost]

Anything can happen anywhere. What is preventing anyone from driving a truck into a crowd of people? But fk this is upsetting to me. Not cool.

[RedDawn]

Originally posted by SportEL


No, the Political elite and rich celebrities people that are for Open borders and mass muslim migration are just those people that don't have to deal with the situation. They live in their posh location in their countryside and don't have to feel the effects of what they are advocating for. They are just virtue signallers. The lefties protesting are just making the situation worse for themselves voting these sympathisers in.

Why would anyone want to go visit Western Europe now? Where it would have been safe a decade ago, it has only gotten worse and worse. There's more crime, dirtier streets, more people sleeping on the street. Tourism is down 80% in France.

France was the top tourist destination in the world last year - same as 2015 - despite a fall of only 1.3% from 2015. Not even close to 80%.

I'm genuinely curious where you get your news from. Care to share?

[vengie]

Originally posted by SportEL


No, the Political elite and rich celebrities people that are for Open borders and mass muslim migration are just those people that don't have to deal with the situation. They live in their posh location in their countryside and don't have to feel the effects of what they are advocating for. They are just virtue signallers. The lefties protesting are just making the situation worse for themselves voting these sympathisers in.

Why would anyone want to go visit Western Europe now? Where it would have been safe a decade ago, it has only gotten worse and worse. There's more crime, dirtier streets, more people sleeping on the street. Tourism is down 80% in France.

Well I just left London on the Eurostar train after spending 4 days there. Was a great experience.

Heading to Paris now for the next week. Should be just as good!

[SportEL]

Originally posted by RedDawn


France was the top tourist destination in the world last year - same as 2015 - despite a fall of only 1.3% from 2015. Not even close to 80%.

I'm genuinely curious where you get your news from. Care to share?

Honest typo. I meant down 8% --> https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-07/france-to-add-security-for-tourists-as-arrivals-are-down-8

In Paris alone, the huge drop in tourists of 1 million visitors has cost revenue of $750 Million Euros comparing 2016 to 2015.
-->http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3754447/France-suffers-industrial-catastrophe-tourism-drops-750m-wake-terror-attacks.html
-->http://jetsettimes.com/2016/08/26/paris-tourism-major-decline/

They can add extra security all they want, but that doesn't exactly quell fears or threats of any kind.

[HiTempguy1]

Who are Sonic and SportEL? Have never seen posts from them until like three weeks ago :rofl:

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1
Who are Sonic and SportEL? Have never seen posts from them until like three weeks ago :rofl:

Social media brigade of the new Alberta conservative party.

:rofl:

Seriously tho. Not all Muslim are bad, but the bad ones are beyond twisted. If we keep changing out mindset based on the act of these few, they win.

It sucks but it will continue to suck. Terrorism isn't going to stop because it exploits human mental defects and there is plenty of that going around.

[Gestalt]

Muslims can integrate into society just fine. You guys visited a mall lately?

You have extremely bad attitudes.

An of course people congregate into groups they identify it. Flames fans, homosexuals, Irish, Punjabi, Kenney supporters, China Town,

Britain and France are at war tough, so they should shut their borders, not because Muslims can't integrate tough but because being at war makes these countries a target.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by Gestalt
Muslims can integrate into society just fine.

Of course they can and the majority do, anyone who would say otherwise is being stupid. It's the way immigration is being allowed and/or forced over the last few years in Europe that has caused the major issues. But to deny there are issues and such things as "no go" zones in some of these cities is just as stupid. These are a result of religious ideals and cultural lifestyles that are NOT compatible with the society they've been dropped into. Period. Obviously homegrown radicals are an entirely different animal and they come from all colors/religious vents too.

It's mostly a case of the age old adage that a bad apple spoils the whole barrel. At some point, there has to be a backlash and it's likely being engineered by these continued "attacks" of cowardice. There are people trying to incite a "holy" war so to speak, how do you stop it? Continued lax immigration and changing of laws to accommodate archaic beliefs that don't belong in a modern or "western" style society? That's just going to further the agenda of starting one at a slow burn.

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by Melinda
Teenage girls and their parents. What a weird crowd to target. This is so sad 🙁

I don't think it's weird at all - they want to create fear, chaos, feelings that nobody is safe, etc. It's also an easy target with minimal security and high concentrations of people. They use women and children as literal human shields every day in actual combat, to retrieve bodies and weapons from sniper casualties, and also as suicide bombers. Absolutely disgusting in every sense, but that is totally normal for them and their choice of venue for attack does not surprise me at all.

[SportEL]

Mluslims are peaceful and tolerant at first because they are the minority. When they become the majority, their true face will show. It's been shown through history. If these 'moderate' muslims are peaceful, then why don't they disown the Quran's text where 3 out of 5 words talks about non-Muslims (kafirs/infidels) unflatteringly? The 109 verses of commands of violence towards unbelievers? Why is a war-mongering, thieving, murdering, raping pedophile seen as the perfect human being Muslims are told to emulate? They see them as superior to infidels and think nothing more of non-Muslims as animals worthy of slaughter. I would like to see an Imam bring their ideology out of its barbaric roots, but it is not happening.

Islam has been trying to sell this ideology's lies that is peaceful when it actually translates to submission; submission to their god Allah and submission of the whole world until it becomes an Islamic caliphate under Sharia Law. Muslims are obligated to turn the nation they live in into a Muslim nation. If not, they are not a true Muslim, and/or they are employing Taqiyaa which is permissible lying to advance Islam when Jihad is the end goal. This is what happened when Muhammad broke a peace treaty when he was strong enough to take over. They can pretend to be peaceful, gracious and compliant until they are strong enough to take control. This has been actually explained how they want to do it by imams out in plain view. 270 million people have been killed by Jihad in Islam's 1400 year history while invading and conquering through death and destruction.

[SportEL]

ISIS has claimed responsibility for this cowardly attack. And they are the true Muslims though you'll have some Muslims claim through permissible lying (Taqiyaa) that they aren't. They are doing just as Muhammad did.

Here is the translated text.

With Allah’s grace and support, a soldier of the Khilafah managed to place explosive devices in the midst of the gatherings of the Crusader in the British city of Manchester, in revenge for Allah’s religion, in an endeavor to terrorize the mushrikin, and in response to their transgressions against the lands of the Muslims. The explosive devices were detonated in the shameless concert arena, resulting in 30 Crusaders being killed and 70 others being wounded. And what comes next will be more severe on the worshippers of the Cross and their allies, by Allah’s permission. And all praises due to Allah, Lord of the creation.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by SportEL
Christians are peaceful and tolerant at first because they are the minority. When they become the majority, their true face will show. It's been shown through history.

Funny... this works just as well. :rofl:

[BavarianBeast]

All religions are fucking stupid..

You don't need to believe in some fake prophecy to have a good set of morals.
:eek:

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok
Funny... this works just as well. :rofl:

Oh no, the Catholics never hurt, murdered or attempted genocide on anyone. Shut your whore mouth! :rofl:

- sincerely, RELIGOPHOBE.

The only way out of this shit long term is for science to take over and finally decimate these archaic fools. Of all stripes.

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by BavarianBeast
All religions are fucking stupid..

You don't need to believe in some fake prophecy to have a good set of morals.
:eek:

Not only fake prophecy, but an invisible man. When a child believes in an invisible person, we know it's a psychological crutch typically caused by loneliness and a lack of love. When an adult does it, it's A-OK! To add insult to injury, an adult will harm others for their invisible man, and it's still A-OK! One example of this is Christians / Catholics encouraging suffering by opposing dying with dignity.

Religionists who think morality is only derived by believing in an invisible man, are truly beyond ignorant and delusional.

[Gestalt]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE


Of course they can and the majority do, anyone who would say otherwise is being stupid. It's the way immigration is being allowed and/or forced over the last few years in Europe that has caused the major issues. But to deny there are issues and such things as "no go" zones in some of these cities is just as stupid. These are a result of religious ideals and cultural lifestyles that are NOT compatible with the society they've been dropped into. Period. Obviously homegrown radicals are an entirely different animal and they come from all colors/religious vents too.

It's mostly a case of the age old adage that a bad apple spoils the whole barrel. At some point, there has to be a backlash and it's likely being engineered by these continued "attacks" of cowardice. There are people trying to incite a "holy" war so to speak, how do you stop it? Continued lax immigration and changing of laws to accommodate archaic beliefs that don't belong in a modern or "western" style society? That's just going to further the agenda of starting one at a slow burn.

Sounds different that your racist post.

But within a week you'll hear our worthless PM cowtow to more of this bullshit agenda of "tolerance" and continue to force a mixing of oil and water.

[Seth1968]

Remember that thread from about six months ago that really got into the Islam topic? I believe it was the one that got InRich banned.

Anyway, someone posted about the fundamental nuts being a small minority among Muslims, and someone else countered it with shocking poll that showed that they aren't a minority at all. Basically, the poll asked Muslims if they think Sharia law should be introduced. If I remember correctly, around 30% said yes.

I then added that the percentage would likely be even higher given:

1) The poll included Muslim men and woman. I suspect the men would say yes much more so than the woman given that Sharia law means the woman is treated like shit.

2) Many of those polled would likely say no (even if they they want Sharia law) simply because it's a public poll and they don't want their true thoughts exposed...yet.

Make no mistake, the desire of Islamists are to take over the world, then again, that's also true of Christians and Catholics.

[revelations]

I would suggest that these attacks are intended to bring on hatred and divisiveness, rather than just fear.

[SportEL]

Originally posted by Tik-Tok


Funny... this works just as well. :rofl:

Oh really? Tell me the last time a Christian has blown up people because of their god. Because their religion compelled them to rape a woman or have sex with a child because it was in their holy book and their prophet did it. Did Jesus do whatever horrible atrocities Muhammed did? Do Christians or any other religion have some sex for murder clause of the promise of 72 virgins for blowing up themselves while killing innocents? No, there is no comparison. There is no other religion like Islam that inspires its violence.

[Gestalt]

Everytime a drone is used?

[born2workoncars]

Originally posted by SportEL


Oh really? Tell me the last time a Christian has blown up people because of their god. Because their religion compelled them to rape a woman or have sex with a child because it was in their holy book and their prophet did it. Did Jesus do whatever horrible atrocities Muhammed did? Do Christians or any other religion have some sex for murder clause of the promise of 72 virgins for blowing up themselves while killing innocents? No, there is no comparison. There is no other religion like Islam that inspires its violence.

Obviously you haven't read 'Under the Banner of Heaven'. Extremism isn't isolated to Islam.

[SOAB]

the comparison between christianity and islam is funny.

christianity has evolved over the centuries, changing with the times. the current pope has said that being gay is ok. you don't see any public witch burnings anymore, do you?

islam on the other hand has not changed since the dark ages. they have not changed any of their beliefs from what may have been acceptable in the 1400's.

having said all that, religion just needs to go. all of them.

[SportEL]

Again, where are these Christian extremists today? Hindu Extremist? Buddhist extremist? They must be some darn near unheard of breed in existence. Are these religious folk claiming that it's because of their religion that they killed?

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
The only way out of this shit long term is for science to take over and finally decimate these archaic fools. Of all stripes.

Praise the almighty Google AlphaGo.

[Gestalt]

Growing up, the kid next door wsa form some eruopean country, I don't remember.

Everytime his parents were mad at him they told him they were going to fuck his mother. We were about 5 or 6, and this is just how they talked. His mother said it, his father did. It was confusing.

And when they got mad at me, they said they would fuck my mother, when the lawn mower broke, they told it they were going to fuck its mother.

in there language of course, but thats the translation.

No massive rape of mothers occured.

Same with I think my lebanese freind. His parents were always saying they were going to kill him when he messed up. He's still alive, I see him on facebook.

It's perspective, point of view, and actions peak louder than words.

Lets be honest. in recent history, who has killed the most people, and the most innocent people? The guys yelling Ill Kill You, or the quiet ones pretending they are victims.

[revelations]

Originally posted by SportEL


Oh really? Tell me the last time a Christian has blown up people because of their god. Because their religion compelled them to rape a woman or have sex with a child because it was in their holy book and their prophet did it. Did Jesus do whatever horrible atrocities Muhammed did? Do Christians or any other religion have some sex for murder clause of the promise of 72 virgins for blowing up themselves while killing innocents? No, there is no comparison. There is no other religion like Islam that inspires its violence.

I wouldnt make the claim that present-day Christians are not prone to extremism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism#Contemporary

Having said that, the percentage of incidents per 1000 "christians" as opposed to per 1000 "muslims" is probably a lot less - even though there are more muslims than christians around.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by Gestalt


Sounds different that your racist post.

But within a week you'll hear our worthless PM cowtow to more of this bullshit agenda of "tolerance" and continue to force a mixing of oil and water.

It actually sounds exactly the same as my post (there's no racism there buddy, you can't be racist to ideology). You're mixing oil and water, cultures and ideologies that do not match. And those "radicals" or extremely devout who cannot handle the society they are now supposed to be part of are the ones who will do the damage. How do you weed them out? I don't know the answer, no one does. But to pretend it isn't an issue is stupidity and has NOTHING to do with racism.

[Seth1968]

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[Seth1968]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE
The only way out of this shit long term is for science to take over and finally decimate these archaic fools. Of all stripes.

That would be great, but it's not what's happening.

The dumbest in society (religionists) far out bread the sane agnostics and atheists. In other words, society is, and will continue to be...fucked.

[NRGie]

Originally posted by SportEL
Mluslims are peaceful and tolerant at first because they are the minority. When they become the majority, their true face will show. It's been shown through history. If these 'moderate' muslims are peaceful, then why don't they disown the Quran's text where 3 out of 5 words talks about non-Muslims (kafirs/infidels) unflatteringly? The 109 verses of commands of violence towards unbelievers? Why is a war-mongering, thieving, murdering, raping pedophile seen as the perfect human being Muslims are told to emulate? They see them as superior to infidels and think nothing more of non-Muslims as animals worthy of slaughter. I would like to see an Imam bring their ideology out of its barbaric roots, but it is not happening.



Google Shia Ismailis. It's also not fair to judge a group of people based on the actions of a few.

Im a Muslim, but I see where you're coming from. It's hard to defend the religion when you have extremist nuts running around doing the shit that they are doing. But I don't agree with you when you say that we all just become rowdy nuts when our numbers start to rise. Also please quote me the exact text in the Quran that says explicitly that 72 virgins are rewarded after blowing yourself to little bits.

You're right that many imams aren't helping Islam by mistranslating the text or even just plain making shit up, but you should also do your own research before spewing bullshit

[hurrdurr]

Sad!

[ZenOps]

Conventional chemical explosive in all likelihood.

That's a pretty impressive blast if he managed to carry it in on foot.

[SportEL]

^NRGie, do you disown all the commands of violence against Non-Muslims? If not, how come? The only way to move forward with peace is not to have a book that preaches hate and intolerance.

-->https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx


72 virgins are the in the Hadiths (Sayings and Deeds of Muhammad for those that don't know)

Narrated Al-Miqdam bin Ma'diykarib:
That the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) said: "There are six things with Allah for the martyr. He is forgiven with the first flow of blood (he suffers), he is shown his place in Paradise, he is protected from punishment in the grave, secured from the greatest terror, the crown of dignity is placed upon his head - and its gems are better than the world and what is in it - he is married to seventy two wives along Al-Huril-'Ayn of Paradise, and he may intercede for seventy of his close relatives."

--> https://muflihun.com/tirmidhi/20/1663

Again, I fail to understand how a prophet that committed so many atrocities is a perfect human being Muslims are told to emulate. Please explain it. It's all in the Hadiths what Muhammad did.

Imams or Sheiks aren't mistranslating the text or making it up when it's taken straight from the Quran and Hadiths. I would say they need to push for reforming the religion, which is impossible if you are going to be charged with Blasphemy and it's accompanying punishment of fines, imprisonment or beheading. So what will it take?

[Sugarphreak]

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[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Even if you were able to build a society without religion, it would still creep up eventually.

Agreed. Like I said earlier, clearly I don't know the answer. Who does? Some of these guys are too daft to even ask anything resembling the right questions though. :nut:

[CompletelyNumb]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE


The only way out of this shit long term is for science to take over and finally decimate these archaic fools. Of all stripes.


:werd:

There's no place for religion in a modern, educated world.

[Sugarphreak]

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[JRSC00LUDE]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Selective breeding would get the human race back on track for the long term, fix our overpopulation problem, likely weed out a lot of the idiots that cause all of the major issues in society these days, and as a side benefit also fix a lot of the garbage and climate change issues.

In before Hitler :rofl:

In reality that's a more far-fetched notion than eradicating archaic and nonsensical religion. And that's not an attack on spirituality, but literal interpretation of some of this ancient bullshit is literal insanity.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Hard to believe they would target a venue full of kids, this is going to have a major long term impact on Manchester, as it will be ingrained in an entire generation of kids growing up.

Well that's exactly who you would go after to maximize the damage by seeding hatred and then build up ultra right wing ideology to undo human progress.

[mazdavirgin]

Originally posted by JRSC00LUDE


Agreed. Like I said earlier, clearly I don't know the answer. Who does? Some of these guys are too daft to even ask anything resembling the right questions though. :nut:

Well first off you're going to have to stop being disingenuous. There's obviously problems with Christianity but comparing it to other far less progressive religions is asinine. The religious texts of Christianity advocate non violence and pacifism. That's a far better place to start as compared to a religion which advocates violence against pretty much everyone and anyone in their religious texts.

End of the day that bombing was no mistake. It was done on purpose as a rejection of the freedoms afforded to women in western countries which these barbarians see as immoral. Shove your head in the sand all you want but I'd much rather have a country of christians or buddhists rather than a country filled with folks of a religion based on codified warfare.

The bomber is going to be praised for having killed "immoral" children. Those girls should have never been dancing, singing, walking alone without a male relative, or wearing "revealing" clothing... Really they brought it upon themselves. :rolleyes:

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Hard to believe they would target a venue full of kids, this is going to have a major long term impact on Manchester, as it will be ingrained in an entire generation of kids growing up.


That's exactly what they want though. This shouldn't surprise anyone - this has been their MO forever. Women & children are nothing to them, and are often used both as targets and human shields. It is the most cowardly possible way to fight, and it's a huge part of their strategy on the battlefield as well. They surround themselves with women & children when they are making "last stands" in certain areas to prevent more effective attacks by the USA or whoever, and to maximize collateral damage for their propaganda. They have women & children place IED's (or accompany them while they place them). They also use women & children for suicide attacks, and to retrieve their dead and other things (like weapons) on the battlefield because there is a lower chance that someone will pick them off. It really doesn't get more despicable. Even more sad is that these sorts of attacks aren't even close to the worst things they do to people.

I've always thought that Religion is the single scariest thing in the world in general. It was in the past and it probably will be in the future as well.

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
I've always thought that Religion is the single scariest thing in the world in general. It was in the past and it probably will be in the future as well.

Exactly.

People go on and on about global economic destruction, global warming, super bugs, etc, but we can adapt to all of those. With religionists, there's nothing we can do, as again, they breed like rats.

[NRGie]

Originally posted by SportEL
^NRGie, do you disown all the commands of violence against Non-Muslims? If not, how come? The only way to move forward with peace is not to have a book that preaches hate and intolerance.

-->https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx


72 virgins are the in the Hadiths (Sayings and Deeds of Muhammad for those that don't know)

Narrated Al-Miqdam bin Ma'diykarib:
That the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) said: "There are six things with Allah for the martyr. He is forgiven with the first flow of blood (he suffers), he is shown his place in Paradise, he is protected from punishment in the grave, secured from the greatest terror, the crown of dignity is placed upon his head - and its gems are better than the world and what is in it - he is married to seventy two wives along Al-Huril-'Ayn of Paradise, and he may intercede for seventy of his close relatives."

--> https://muflihun.com/tirmidhi/20/1663

Again, I fail to understand how a prophet that committed so many atrocities is a perfect human being Muslims are told to emulate. Please explain it. It's all in the Hadiths what Muhammad did.

Imams or Sheiks aren't mistranslating the text or making it up when it's taken straight from the Quran and Hadiths. I would say they need to push for reforming the religion, which is impossible if you are going to be charged with Blasphemy and it's accompanying punishment of fines, imprisonment or beheading. So what will it take?

The imams are mistranlating/ misinterpreting it the same way you are.

The verse you quoted mentions 72 virgins but doesn't explicitly say you get 72 virgins for killing other people.

in the link you posted this verse was under 'virtues of jihad'

Jihad doesn't mean go to war and kill a bunch of non-believers or whatever. It's meant in reference to overcoming a difficult task or to push oneself for spiritual enlightenment.

Of course I don't encourage violence against anyone, be it Muslim or non-muslims. In fact religion doesn't even pop up in my mind when interacting with people.

I usually don't get involved in internet debates about religion but I wanted you to know that not all Muslims are crazy radicals. From your previous posts in this thread it seemed like you had a crazy hard-on against Muslims and that's fine, because this is Canada and everyone is free to have an opinion and participate in a conversation.

Fyi, we've been in Canada for 24 years now and our numbers have grown drastically and if anything my family has become more Canadian, as opposed to how you see it.

My nieces and nephews now wake up to Christmas gifts and my brothers set up Christmas trees in their homes. We do up our houses for Halloween, and are pretty much normal, I guess?

[Sugarphreak]

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[duaner]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt
I've always thought that Religion is the single scariest thing in the world in general. It was in the past and it probably will be in the future as well.
"Religion." You say that as though there is only one religion. Which religion(s) is(are) the "single scariest thing in the world"? And why?

[jabjab]

Originally posted by SportEL
^NRGie, do you disown all the commands of violence against Non-Muslims? If not, how come? The only way to move forward with peace is not to have a book that preaches hate and intolerance.

-->https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx


72 virgins are the in the Hadiths (Sayings and Deeds of Muhammad for those that don't know)

Narrated Al-Miqdam bin Ma'diykarib:
That the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) said: "There are six things with Allah for the martyr. He is forgiven with the first flow of blood (he suffers), he is shown his place in Paradise, he is protected from punishment in the grave, secured from the greatest terror, the crown of dignity is placed upon his head - and its gems are better than the world and what is in it - he is married to seventy two wives along Al-Huril-'Ayn of Paradise, and he may intercede for seventy of his close relatives."

--> https://muflihun.com/tirmidhi/20/1663

Again, I fail to understand how a prophet that committed so many atrocities is a perfect human being Muslims are told to emulate. Please explain it. It's all in the Hadiths what Muhammad did.

Imams or Sheiks aren't mistranslating the text or making it up when it's taken straight from the Quran and Hadiths. I would say they need to push for reforming the religion, which is impossible if you are going to be charged with Blasphemy and it's accompanying punishment of fines, imprisonment or beheading. So what will it take?

SportsEL has a masters in religion, so whatever he says must be truth.

[Tik-Tok]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak


5) Selective breeding / Passive population control measures

The only one of the above that doesn't involve a massive amount of death is option 5.

Isn't the government already doing that? CHEMTRAILS MANNNN!

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Basically as it stands now, we are rapidly headed down the route of #3. The only one of the above that doesn't involve a massive amount of death is option 5.

I like door #6 please.

Robots take all the jobs, the 1%er make all the $, take all the resource and move to space, earth dwellings all became terrorists.

http://pop-verse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Matt-Damon-in-Mexico.jpg

[Mitsu3000gt]

Originally posted by duaner

"Religion." You say that as though there is only one religion. Which religion(s) is(are) the "single scariest thing in the world"? And why?

No, religion is simply a belief in a higher power or god, which applies to any of the religions (at least all the big ones I'm aware of). I think any religion, when taken to the extreme, forced on others, left with questionable/ambiguous material to interpret, or used in important decision making processes that affects anyone other than that individual is terrifying. You don't even have to look further than US politics to see this, let alone groups like ISIS. If you want to peacefully practice religion by yourself or with like-minded people and without harming or bothering anyone else, great.

Look at how much of the worlds most horrible conflicts, killings, terrorism, etc. is caused by religion of some kind, including extremism. I find beliefs like that very scary and they have been proven impossible to get rid of for as long as history can show.

I think a big part of it comes down to most religions being centered around what happens AFTER death. It's perfectly designed so that believers always have something to cling on to while at the same time making it impossible to get any proof of what they believe in. If I had to bet on one thing always existing for as long as humans exist, it would be religion of some kind.

[tonytiger55]

Muslims is a broad term there are different sects.…Muslims integrating is I guess is a even broader term.
I would not take a Muslim from Iran in the same league of someone from Pakistan.
The idea that they integrate is questionable . Take a look at Bradford, Luton, or East London or perhaps work with a few Muslims. There is a difference.

Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, Jews etc all get on. Its that group (Muslims) that sometimes may not. Ask most liberal Sikh, Hindus who they can they can marry… they can bring home anyone. Just not a Muslim..
At university I distinctly remember everyone mixing, but then you had the Muslims. Sure you would get the odd one who did. We are talking in a general sense.
A few of my best friends (Muslims) started hanging out with us in the second and third year as they were fed up with hanging with the solo group of Muslims who would not mix. Even they gave a insight of the troubles they were having within their own community of people, parents etc refusing to integrate in any way or form (music, grocery shopping, going out, tv etc).

A one point I even entered a discussion with Muslims about the book the Satanic verses. I was threatened, accused of insulting them etc. It was only when I was at a sheesha bar in the Arab district in London (Edgeware Road) that I was invited by a friendly Muslim Scholar to sit down. I asked questions about the book and I was given a good insight and a good answer. But that is few and far between.

I have worked with Muslims, during their holy festival of fasting. I innocently asked if they wanted water, I was accused of insulting them. People would manipulate their religion for breaks, prayer etc when you can blatantly see it was bullshit.

These are not isolated incidents with myself. There has a been a lot of people with similar experiences.
It seems like there is one rule for them and another for everyone else. The South Park episode of the different faiths sums it up.

It leads to a quote from Animal Farm… Some Animals are more equal than others.

The argument of London having a Muslim mayor is a sign of integration is nonsense. One needs to look at the contact of the London mayor election. You had a conservative government that has done some very bad austerity cuts. Their candidate was Zack Goldsmith. Sadiqu Khan was a Labor party candidate. His dad was a bus driver. He is a ethnic minority. London is a multicultural city. People did not vote for Sadiq because he was a Muslim. Its because people can identify with him (not his religion).

If I or anyone else can’t discuss this without being called a racists etc. People stay silent and then this line of thought/discussion goes underground. This is where the right wing extremists and the neo liberals come to polarize this and bigotry comes in. This is what you don’t want.

This is not a Anit Muslim Post. Whilst we sit here on beyond and have this wankfest of how Muslims are integrated, rub each others dick in unison under the umbrella of multiculturalism . I would like to make the point… are Muslims integrated..?(a general sense), some would say yes. Are they as integrated as other minorities? I cant speak for Canada much. But in the UK..I would say no they are not. Until I can or any other non Muslim can openly and constructively debate and call nonsense on the majority of them without being threatened, called a racists, do a drawing for satire on their faith and prophet. ..I can argue they are not integrated.

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by duaner

"Religion." You say that as though there is only one religion. Which religion(s) is(are) the "single scariest thing in the world"? And why?

Uh duh.

Religionists believe in an invisible man and his holy book. A book that you claim is the invisible man's sacred and infallible word, yet there are many examples throughout history in which the bible books have not only been altered to suit the king at the time, but whole books removed for that and other reasons.

Further to that, religionists try to force this nonsense on others and subdue human rights. The most despicable example of such is again, wanting to force others to needlessly suffer even though they're begging to die.

[duaner]

Originally posted by Mitsu3000gt

Look at how much of the worlds most horrible conflicts, killings, terrorism, etc. is caused by religion of some kind, including extremism. I find beliefs like that very scary and they have been proven impossible to get rid of for as long as history can show.
That is what I thought. Let's look at what history actually shows us; let's look at facts:

"In fact, religious elements played no role at all in 14 (40%) of the 35 armed conflicts in the research, and only five (14%) had religious elements as their main cause, the report showed. All of the wars had multiple causes, and the much more common motivation was opposition to a government, or to the economic, ideological, political or social systems of a state, which was named as a main factor in nearly two thirds of the cases studied.

The Encyclopedia of Wars, an extensive study published in 2008, chronicles 1,763 wars throughout human history. It names just 123 as ‘religious in nature’ – a little under 7%.

....

Countries with the highest levels of atheism – mainly communist or former communist states like Russia and the Czech Republic – were not necessarily the most peaceful. North Korea, which has one of the lowest rates of people practising religion, was one of ten ‘least peaceful’ countries in world last year, according to the report."

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/11/14/religions-war-cause-responsible-evidence_n_6156878.html

The argument can easily be made that atheism is what is behind Communism, and tens upon tens of millions have been killed by Communist regimes, many of which were in the attempt to stamp out religion.


"Medieval and Renaissance wars were also typically about control and wealth as city-states vied for power, often with the support, but rarely instigation, of the Church. And the Mongol Asian rampage, which is thought to have killed nearly 30 million people, had no religious component whatsoever.

Most modern wars, including the Napoleonic Campaign, the American Revolution, the French Revolution, the American Civil War, World War I, the Russia Revolution, World War II, and the conflicts in Korea and Vietnam, were not religious in nature or cause. While religious groups have been specifically targeted (most notably in World War II), to claim that religion was the cause is to blame the victim and to misunderstand the perpetrators’ motives, which were nationalistic and ethnic, not religious.

Similarly, the vast numbers of genocides (those killed in ethic cleanses, purges, etc. that are not connected to a declared war) are not based on religion. It’s estimated that over 160 million civilians were killed in genocides in the 20th century alone, with nearly 100 million killed by the Communist states of USSR and China."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-alan-lurie/is-religion-the-cause-of-_b_1400766.html

It really seems that a religious world is safer than a non-religious one.

[Gestalt]

Creative religious interpretation is an excuse, not a cause.

[rx7boi]

I like how all of you have said "I'm done with you" to other posters at some point on Beyond and now you're back at it again :rofl:

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by duaner

That is what I thought. Let's look at what history actually shows us; let's look at facts:
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Don't even bother with Duaner.

He's a typical Christian apologist that fundamentaly believes that suffering is a good thing, and to a certain degree, he's right. That is, you wouldn't know pleasure without knowing pain. It's duality, it's the Yin Yang, it's required to be conscious.

The difference in all of that, is the the wisdom to know the difference between needed pain, and needless pain. Heck, that's what Jesus was all about. That stoner knew the difference.

Beat that Duaner:)

[duaner]

Originally posted by Seth1968


Don't even bother with Duaner.

He's a typical Christian apologist that fundamentaly believes that suffering is a good thing, and to a certain degree, he's right. That is, you wouldn't know pleasure without knowing pain. It's duality, it's the Yin Yang, it's required to be conscious.

The difference in all of that, is the the wisdom to know the difference between needed pain, and needless pain. Heck, that's what Jesus was all about. That stoner knew the difference.

Beat that Duaner:)
Beat what, your red herrings? :)

Is it the facts that are giving you trouble? A little too inconvenient, are they?

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by duaner

Beat what, your red herrings? :)

Is it the facts that are giving you trouble? A little too inconvenient, are they?

Are you sure you really want to go there?

[SportEL]

Originally posted by NRGie


The imams are mistranlating/ misinterpreting it the same way you are.

The verse you quoted mentions 72 virgins but doesn't explicitly say you get 72 virgins for killing other people.

in the link you posted this verse was under 'virtues of jihad'

Jihad doesn't mean go to war and kill a bunch of non-believers or whatever. It's meant in reference to overcoming a difficult task or to push oneself for spiritual enlightenment.

Of course I don't encourage violence against anyone, be it Muslim or non-muslims. In fact religion doesn't even pop up in my mind when interacting with people.

I usually don't get involved in internet debates about religion but I wanted you to know that not all Muslims are crazy radicals. From your previous posts in this thread it seemed like you had a crazy hard-on against Muslims and that's fine, because this is Canada and everyone is free to have an opinion and participate in a conversation.

Fyi, we've been in Canada for 24 years now and our numbers have grown drastically and if anything my family has become more Canadian, as opposed to how you see it.

My nieces and nephews now wake up to Christmas gifts and my brothers set up Christmas trees in their homes. We do up our houses for Halloween, and are pretty much normal, I guess?

The verse about the virgins actually does say it. " There are six things for the Martyr...". This martyrdom is described many other times in the Quran and Hadiths. Here's another:

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."


Please explain where the misinterpretation is. This isn't about radical , as there is no such thing. Islam is Islam. It's clear as day when the commands are there, and the stories of what Muhammad did are there, so please explain this. There are those that strive hard and fight with their lives and Allah prefers those in grade and promises them a greater reward over the other believers who sit. The 'moderates' don't take the same fight, but the same idea is there that they support the sayings in the Quran and what Muhammad did against non-Muslims.

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "


Do you not understand that when people identify as Muslim, and when non-Muslims have seen the Quran and Hadiths and then question how Muslims can sit up there and say, no we're peaceful, that is the most ironic when the Quran is concerned more about kafirs and it's intolerance against them versus how a Muslim should be praying. 61% of the Quran talks horribly about kaffirs. It's ironic when the Hadiths do talk about jihad as the inner struggle but that is only 3% of the time, while 97% of the time it is jihad as war against kafirs/infidels.

So why are we so many today accepting the ideology of Islam and its Quran and Hadiths while today we reject Hitler, his Mein Kampf and Nazis?

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by SportEL
[B Islam is Islam. It's clear as day when the commands are there/ snip/ [/B]

So is the Western's worlds invisible man:


Deuteronomy 17:

If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2015/01/22/yes-the-bible-does-say-to-kill-infidels/

[SportEL]

Originally posted by Seth1968


So is the Western's worlds invisible man:



http://www.patheos.com/blogs/dispatches/2015/01/22/yes-the-bible-does-say-to-kill-infidels/

Christianity has reformed with the New Testament and the teachings of Jesus Christ. The difference is Christians today disavows violence while Islam today celebrates it. I don't see any attempts of reform in Islam.

Christians have a model character in Jesus Christ. Muslims have Muhammad that murdered, tortured, raped, enslaved, and had a child bride that Muslims are told to emulate.

--->https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by SportEL
[B]

Christianity has reformed with the New Testament and the teachings of Jesus Christ. /B]


How about we end ALL superstitious thought right here, and start something akin to rational thought?

[NRGie]

Ayyy I feel like your grasping at straws SportEL. The Global Center for Pluralism (which is supposed to study and advance a peaceful society) was an initiative of the Shia Ismailis. What would you say this is an example of?

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/global-centre-for-pluralism-looks-to-the-future-with-one-foot-in-the-past/article35057207/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&service=mobile

There are good and bad in all religions. I can knit pick and pull up biased websites that would denounce Christianity but I just don't feel like it.

[SportEL]

Originally posted by NRGie
Ayyy I feel like your grasping at straws SportEL. The Global Center for Pluralism (which is supposed to study and advance a peaceful society) was an initiative of the Shia Ismailis. What would you say this is an example of?

https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/global-centre-exp-pluralism-looks-to-the-future-with-one-foot-in-the-past/article35057207/?ref=http://www.theglobeandmail.com&service=mobile

There are good and bad in all religions. I can knit pick and pull up biased websites that would denounce Christianity but I just don't feel like it.

What am I grasping at straws about? You have not provided one example of misinterpretation. You are offering no argument. Pick one verse from the Quran and explain misinterpretation. Like this one:

Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures. (Quran 98:6)

How can there not be a problem with Islam and Violence? 109 calls for violence against infidels. Are you saying that the Quran is wrong and not the words from Allah? Are you seriously implying that non-Muslims should disregard the Facts? The main thing that Muslims (Sunnis/Shias) can agree is that Kafirs are inferior. In the western world, everyone is seen as equal.
--->https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

There will not be peace until the verses are striked out or abrogated. Muhammed's earlier life was more about peace and tolerance.
He preached the religion of Islam for 13 years in Mecca and only gained 150 followers. He then moved to Medina where he became a politician and warrior. After 10 years of violence he became ruler of all Arabia without a single enemy left standing. He was involved in an event of violence every 6 weeks for the last 9 years of his life. So now with his successors, why is there not a move to peace and updating with the times, and updating the Quran?

What is the main thing you can say against Christianity? Just name the main one. I like to hear the argument and not just empty words.

By the way, do you support Sharia Law?

[NRGie]

I just gave you examples of Islam not being all radical and crazy but you choose to ignore them.

I told you I don't condone violence, I told you we celebrate Christmas and all other holidays like a normal Canadian, so obviously no I don't support sharia law.

But you win. All us Muslims are crazy cave people.

[born2workoncars]

The irony is that SportEL doesn't realize that there are commonalities between his thought process and that of a religious extremist. Absolutism.

[SportEL]

Originally posted by NRGie
I just gave you examples of Islam not being all radical and crazy but you choose to ignore them.

I told you I don't condone violence, I told you we celebrate Christmas and all other holidays like a normal Canadian, so obviously no I don't support sharia law.

But you win. All us Muslims are crazy cave people.

And yet you have not addressed the Root Cause of the problem of Islam, and why hate and why persecution and violence is allowed against non-believers. The problem will not go away if this is not addressed.

All are crazy? When did I say that? You chose to ignore the fact when I brought it up that there are those who act outwardly with violence against non-Muslims, and there are those other sit by. Yet, Allah rewards more that fight for the cause more. Those 'peaceful' ones who don't are seen as less worthy. However, both support the book of hate and intolerance. By being Muslim, you support hate against us Kafir and sit in the background. So what do you have to say about that?

You have not talked about Muhammad's character? Do you believe he is the perfect human being?

How can we believe what a Muslim says when they use permissible lying, Taqiyaa to lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam, to drop our guard and then when they gain strength in numbers, they take over and bring in Sharia Law.

Okay, so you are doing things against your faith by celebrating Christmas and other holidays. And you don't support Sharia Law. What that is according to your religion is you are labeled a hypocrite Muslim. This is the exact reason why Muslims are killing other Muslims. Any Muslim who denies the truth of the Sharia is a hypocrite and is kufr (has thoughts of unbelief).


Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."

[SportEL]

Originally posted by born2workoncars
The irony is that SportEL doesn't realize that there are commonalities between his thought process and that of a religious extremist. Absolutism.

Re-read my posts. Can one be a Nazi and not be a racist and anti-semite? Can one be a Muslim and not hate kafirs?

For everyone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4vWR5BpDdQ

[ZenOps]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/24/world/europe/manchester-bomber-salman-abedi.html?_r=0

Victims were technically outside the venue, probably lining up to get in. Which means they probably didn't even make it to the security check.

Family of Abedi supposedly fled the former Khadafi regime. Its an unknown unknown, but the ghost of Khadafi may be coming back to haunt everyone OR it could just be a power vacuum that was created by his passing.

Really though, the death of Khadafi whether directly or indirectly may have consequences for decades to come.

[Xtrema]

Originally posted by ZenOps
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/24/world/europe/manchester-bomber-salman-abedi.html?_r=0

Victims were technically outside the venue, probably lining up to get in. Which means they probably didn't even make it to the security check.

Family of Abedi supposedly fled the former Khadafi regime. Its an unknown unknown, but the ghost of Khadafi may be coming back to haunt everyone OR it could just be a power vacuum that was created by his passing.

Really though, the death of Khadafi whether directly or indirectly may have consequences for decades to come.

There is no history. It's just someone picked up an ideology and run with it. It could happen to anyone and any races. All you need is mental illness and at any given time, 1 in 5 is not right in the head. All you need is a subset of that attached to some dangerous ideology and someone dies.

Speaking of which, looks like ISIS wins again:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/red-deer-high-school-protest-anti-syrian-refugee-school-fight-controversy-1.4127344

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by SportEL
Okay, so you are doing things against your faith by celebrating Christmas and other holidays. And you don't support Sharia Law. What that is according to your religion is you are labeled a hypocrite Muslim. This is the exact reason why Muslims are killing other Muslims. Any Muslim who denies the truth of the Sharia is a hypocrite and is kufr (has thoughts of unbelief).

There is only 1 spiritual truth, and if one knows it, then one is a hypocrite. It is Duality, it is the Yin and the Yang, it is Buddhism.

The meaning of life is to reduce self hypocrisy as much as possible. It's the way of Jesus, and the way of Buddhism.

Typical Christians and Catholics have been corrupt with shit spirituality. They need to be shown that Jesus was a Buddhist.

[revelations]

1.2 billion Muslims globally.

Estimates of radicalization, 10-20%. That means around 120 million people want the Western way of life to collapse and die.

The silent, peaceful majority are irrelevant, as they have been during numerous other atrocities in global history (Germany, Japan, etc.)

[SportEL]

Who wants Sharia Law in Canada? I for sure don't. You may think it won't happen in the near future. But look decades down the line. Look at what has happened in Europe in such a short time. It's been predicted that places like Germany and France will be Muslim countries in 20-30 years. I do not like that a nation's culture and identity is slowly eroded away and taken over along with its liberties.

If you value Freedom of Speech, Democracy, Western Civil Liberties, Equal Rights for both man and women, Equal rights no matter, race or religion, and No Barbarism, and living under daily violence, then Please sign and share the Parliament petition --->https://petitions.ourcommons.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-909

Differential justice based on an individual’s religion is prejudicial and preferential, therefore, an amendment to the Constitution Act of 1982 would ease the minds of all Canadians and ensure equal treatment for everyone under the Criminal Code of Canada.

We, the undersigned, citizens of Canada, call upon the Government of Canada to propose an amendment to the Constitution Act of 1982, under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, stating that Sharia Law or separate Sharia family courts will never have a place in the Canadian Justice System.


The precursor to Sharia has already started in Canada. If you are not aware, an Anti-Islamophobia motion was passed back in March called M-103.

Another one in Ontario M37 recently passed surprisingly with Zero opposition. Subscribe to Kevin J. Johnston. He's been putting out good videos ---> https://youtu.be/_qsvsn7KJks


All these motions are a precursor to Sharia Law and we must put a stop to this. Why does one religion need special protection? Especially one like Islam? One should freely be able to criticize an ideology, doctrine, or religion. Is it to stop the truth from getting out? I know we have been fed lies for a long time, and after looking into what Islam really is, my thinking on it has done a complete 180.

[01RedDX]

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[SportEL]

^Which Catholics are not disgusted about that and disavowing it? Though it's not allowed in Catholicism, the big difference is it's actually allowed in Islam. Muhammad had a 6 year old bride which he 'thighed' until she was 9 years old and raped her. That is why it's sickeningly happening today where child marriage is happening in places. Also look up Bachi Bazi, though you might be sickened.

Did any of those people ever give credit that what they did was because of their religion? Timothy McVeigh was not a religious man (in fact, he stated explicitly that he was agnostic and that "science" was his religion). At no time did he credit his deeds to religion, quote Bible verses, or claim that he killed for Jesus. His motives are very well documented through interviews and research. God is never mentioned. Dylann Roofe was a White supremacist and wanted to start a race war. Same with Aleandre Bisonnette who was a White Nationalist who had anti-Muslim views. Nothing to do with religion for either.

[Seth1968]

Originally posted by SportEL
Who wants Sharia Law in Canada? I for sure don't. You may think it won't happen in the near future. But look decades down the line. Look at what has happened in Europe in such a short time. It's been predicted that places like Germany and France will be Muslim countries in 20-30 years. I do not like that a nation's culture and identity is slowly eroded away and taken over along with its liberties..

Ya, that's what I've been saying all along, and we all get it.

So what's the solution?

[01RedDX]

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[Kloubek]

Originally posted by 01RedDX
:rofl: So why did we allow catholicism into Canada then? This caused untold millions of children to be molested and raped.

Not to mention the millions of deaths that occurred worldwide (and in our own country) against those who refused to convert to Catholicism. Really, it's no different. Trying to impose your will on others is a flat-out dangerous situation - whether it be for religious or political reasons.

This isn't about Islam. It is an easy tunnel-vision way to look at it for those who don't understand or wish to look at the details, or for those who give into their fear and want a tangible entity to fight back against. This isn't about people following a particularly flawed religion. This is about a group (albeit a rather large group) who wish to impose their will on others and rally behind Islam to justify it. I bet if you honestly spoke to muslim Canadians that few of them have any desire to convert anyone and only a tiny fraction of those have any desire to do so by violent means. This in itself proves that it isn't the religion itself that is at fault.

Of course, just like the neo-Nazi movement that some still follow, if one is weak and needs a sense of belonging, it doesn't take a heck of a lot to convert them to do your dirty work. It can, will, and IS happening here - but this is particularly true overseas where there has been a history of violence for centuries and it is far easier to brainwash people into believing in the cause.

The region around Syria and Iraq is lacking control and leadership, and extremists are making a push to rise up and use the opportunity to make their own Islamic state. Combine that with the violent nature of the region, and it is a perfect melting pot for an extended uprising. And there is no way a movement of this size will remain isolated in a world that is easier to access than ever.

I had a friend of mine on Facebook yesterday post that we should just kill them all. This was quite a stark statement from a normally quiet individual, but what she doesn't realize is that it isn't that easy. You cant just meet them on a battlefield, drop a couple of nukes and call it a day. These people are impossible to pick out of a crowd - and use that crowd to maximize collateral damage, which makes international intervention incredibly difficult. But besides physically hiding, they mentally hide. This is not an army - but a movement. And while you can keep their numbers down with military action, a movement is something that will live in the hearts and minds of thousands or tens of thousands for the rest of their lives - and very likely in the generations that follow.

Point is, we're likely going to hear about ISIS for the rest of our lives. This is the sort of thing that takes decades and centuries to end, and those who want to just "blow them up" simply don't recognize this fact. It is a different world now, people. This country will be under the threat of Muslim extremism for a very long time. The best we can do is protect our borders as best as we can, and ensure the Muslims living here are not made to feel as second class citizens or looked down on for their religion. It is also important that our Muslim citizens make a particularly concerted effort to educate their peers against extremism and are vigilant in keeping their eyes open for signs of such. This is particularly a problem in the US, where Trump is segregating Muslims even further which is the exact opposite of what he should be doing in order to try to keep his country safe.

[SportEL]

Originally posted by Seth1968


Ya, that's what I've been saying all along, and we all get it.

So what's the solution?

Like what I said, Everyone should sign and share the petition I linked, to all you know.

Watch the video I linked.
Do not vote back in or vote people who are against Freedom of Speech or sympathisers of this Islam Military Doctrine. Do not help vote back in Justin Trudeau, the Globalist Cuck Muslim sympathiser.

Call your constituents, join in protests, get vocal, spread the message, spread the truth, educate, don't back down when being called 'racist' or an Islamophobe.

We enjoy our freedom in Canada, and must stand up against losing it.

Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice.

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Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice. I like it

Goes well with the school protest in Red Deer yesterday.

So what would win, their freedom Of speech or my intolerance of their intolerance.?

So punching Nazis is ok after all? Excellent.

[dj_patm]

I was thinking if the media switched their tone when talking about these terrorists from calling them monsters, to ridiculing and laughing at them, if it'd be a deterrent for the young men who are being radicalized.

Publicly shame and humiliate these morons after they blow themselves up. Release every embarrassing thing they discover about them. Do everything we can to turn their memories into a joke vs. letting them take solace in the fact that they scared people.

[suntan]

I totally want Sharia law - totally free health care and guaranteed minimum income! Whoo!

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Originally posted by dj_patm
I was thinking if the media switched their tone when talking about these terrorists from calling them monsters, to ridiculing and laughing at them, if it'd be a deterrent for the young men who are being radicalized.

Publicly shame and humiliate these morons after they blow themselves up. Release every embarrassing thing they discover about them. Do everything we can to turn their memories into a joke vs. letting them take solace in the fact that they scared people.


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Should have left Saddam and Gaddafi in charge. What's next? Sounds like Iran is next up on the world tour.