PART 8 - Has your office laid people off - With poll

[ExtraSlow]

Continuation of the previous threads for May 2017. Discussing the economic climate of Calgary and Alberta in regard to this petroleum industry slowdown and the effect it has on the rest of the economy.

See poll and post comments.

[ExtraSlow]

I'll start by saying I was laid off and although I have started my own business, I make essentially zero dollars from it, so I'm counting myself in group 1 for the poll.

[Sugarphreak]

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[finboy]

Category 2, got laid off twice since 2014, went back to sait for a 4 month course, and started working 2 days after I finished. Dropping $9k into debt to pay for school was a hard pill to swallow, but being a "student" got me way more networking opportunities/interviews than "looking for new opportunities" status. The risk paid off as I'm actually making a good (albeit stagnant) wage in a similar field to my past, in a different industry.

The upside is that I am doing very well at my job, and the department is rapidly growing, so there is stability for now.

[colinxx235]

Was laid off in 2015, took until quite a bit into 16 to get back at an epcm, since then been through 2 more epcms due to zero work/contracting and now at a fabricator.

Hard to say how things will keep going for yyc, i found similar work but also make less than 3 years ago, need more options in poll :rofl:

[tonytiger55]

Other.
Company restructured and I did not have as job.
Different department hired me, after looking at my resume my boss explained to me that the role is entry level. I did not care. Job is a job and I got a mortgage to pay.

Company announced more big cuts are coming. Im not surprised. Surprisingly the issue is not the slow down. Its outdated labour laws that go back to the 1980's (no exaggeration) and people just putting their friends into roles and not people with the right skill set.

Im earning below national average and I have not seen a pay rise in two years. :banghead:

[Xtrema]

4 - hind sight is 20/20, leaving O&G in 2011 doesn't seem that bad of a decision now.

[rage2]

Originally posted by Sugarphreak
Overall life is good... my biggest problem is housing prices in Vancouver, and which sub 100K super car I want to buy to try and fit in here.
Oh snap, do I get to welcome you to team Mercedes-AMG in the near future?

[brucebanner]

Stayed employed throughout the downturn, although we took multiple pay decreases in that time. Recently left a contractor to work directly with an o&g company. Everything has improved with that decision.

[killramos]

Originally posted by rage2

Oh snap, do I get to welcome you to team Mercedes-AMG in the near future?

There is a team? :love:

No - I have not been laid off; Quit my job to find work in a different but related industry :goflames:

Admittedly I would have almost certainly been laid off if I hadn't quit based on what I am hearing from people since I left...

[DTTB_36]

I have not been laid off. But I moved countries for a project that was just starting up (already one year in). Hopefully when it finishes us, Calgary is doing better. Company is still laying off folks, just subtly now keeping it under the reportable number. My guess is that will be like this at my company for at least 1-2 more years if not longer.

[riander5]

Originally posted by killramos


There is a team? :love:

No - I have not been laid off; Quit my job to find work in a different but related industry :goflames:

Admittedly I would have almost certainly been laid off if I hadn't quit based on what I am hearing from people since I left...

New job, new car.

[Sugarphreak]

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[sabad66]

Been pretty lucky throughout the downturn. Not laid off yet and actually received raises and relatively big bonuses. At a producer

That said, my role technically expires at the end of the year so I need to either find something else internally before then or I will be laid off

[alanaround]

Luckily not been laid off, tons of layoffs at my place though and separately my industry (IT) is going through some change too. We got some projects approved this year though so tons to do.. I'll keep showing up until my card stops working. :thumbsup:

[flipstah]

I was laid off but now work in a different industry.

Things happen for a reason, because I wouldn't have ended up with the Mini if I didn't get laid off.

Now I'm sexy as fuck

[max_boost]

^^^

Yes. Yes you are. :bigpimp:

[Abeo]

edit: same response as the last thread

[blownz]

Has your office laid people off, and then a poll asking if you have been laid off... doesn't make much sense... and what is the time frame? This year? This recession (2+ years)? Or in all time? lol

To answer several questions, I was in an O&G company that laid off a ton, I quit and took a job with a company more in commercial. So still down, but not like O&G and in general no layoffs.

[schurchill39]

Originally posted by blownz
Has your office laid people off, and then a poll asking if you have been laid off... doesn't make much sense... and what is the time frame? This year? This recession (2+ years)? Or in all time? lol

Because there has been 7 other threads on this subject over the years and the polls have developed over time. Title stays the same as a way to link them all together.


I was fortunate to keep my job throughout the downturn despite having to pack up many of my friends offices and cubicles. We did some major downsizing but are back in a growth phase. I've found myself in a position where I'm getting offers outside of my job now. Its very interesting times.

I work on the service side of O&G so we tend to see the swings a lot quicker. Judging when producers started to see layoffs they are about 8 months behind our side of things so I think smaller batch layoffs are still going to be happening.

[HomespunLobster]

Company was bought out last year, and then bought out again this year. I don't want to deal with the corporate crap coming down the chutes, so I quit and changed jobs. Start my new job this week in an unrelated field.

[pheoxs]

We just laid a few more people off this past week unfortunately. Though it still seems to be reshaping our staff as we hired on new people to fill other roles at the same time

[flipstah]

This new aggressive push to get tech companies into Calgary could be a game-changer. Complementary economies.

[HiTempguy1]

Holy crap, I think we may have just got hit with layoffs. Dunno if this is good or bad for me, guess we'll find out.

There was an announced meeting scheduled this afternoon on Monday, I kind of figured shit was going down :(

Edit-
Yep, layoffs happened. I'm still around for now.

[vw_rabbit2.5]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1
Holy crap, I think we may have just got hit with layoffs. Dunno if this is good or bad for me, guess we'll find out.

There was an announced meeting scheduled this afternoon on Monday, I kind of figured shit was going down :(

Edit-
Yep, layoffs happened. I'm still around for now.
yikes, which company? any idea on how many?

[Impreza]

I know Baytex just did some layoffs as well, but they are also hiring :dunno:

[ExtraSlow]

Fascinating that of the respondents to this poll, 29% have been laid off at some point in this downturn.

[CompletelyNumb]

Really the "no" category should be split into 2 parts: "I wasnt laid off, and I still work full time at my normal wage", and "i wasnt laid off, but I took a pay cut or reduction in hours".

I know of a handful of engineers downtown who kept their jobs and work maybe a day a week now. Massive overall reduction in yearly earnings. More than EI however, so they stay aboard.

[Type_S1]

Originally posted by vw_rabbit2.5

yikes, which company? any idea on how many?

He works for the government and it's about time they started taking cuts.

[holden]

Originally posted by CompletelyNumb
Really the "no" category should be split into 2 parts: "I wasnt laid off, and I still work full time at my normal wage", and "i wasnt laid off, but I took a pay cut or reduction in hours".

I know of a handful of engineers downtown who kept their jobs and work maybe a day a week now. Massive overall reduction in yearly earnings. More than EI however, so they stay aboard.

Isn't max EI like $50K for a year? I wouldn't mind working 1 day a week for >$50K, even if the job security was low.

[flipstah]

Originally posted by ExtraSlow
Fascinating that of the respondents to this poll, 29% have been laid off at some point in this downturn.

Too bad it wasn't locked per thread, as I'm curious what the trend is of affected citizens from Part 1 to 8.

[realazy]

Originally posted by holden


Isn't max EI like $50K for a year? I wouldn't mind working 1 day a week for >$50K, even if the job security was low.

Max insurable is ~$50k

The EI payment is 50% of insurable..

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by Type_S1


He works for the government and it's about time they started taking cuts.

Not really disagreeing. I told them a year ago we needed to lay people off. However I don't really work for the gov. Its convoluted :dunno: Arms length corporation that earns profits. Call it whatever you like.


Originally posted by vw_rabbit2.5

yikes, which company? any idea on how many?

I'm sure if people want to dig they'll be able to find it pretty easily, don't really feel it appropriate to blatantly post it.

Only around 20 people out of ~600 staff (including people like janitors).

But we had a round of layoffs last year that was the "you should retire" round. So I'd say in the past 12 months 40-60 people gone, close to 10% of the staff.

Dunno whether to be happy or sad to be kept on. Tough to drop a good job with decent benefits and pay, its basically perfect, but skills definitely atrophying. Would be nice to take the severance and invest it in myself or business opportunities.

[ExtraSlow]

And EI is fully taxable, so your net take-home is less than that.

At max EI of $543/week times 52 weeks you could theoretically gross $28,236 per year. If you were single and had no other income, you'd pay about three grand in federal and provincial taxes.
So taking home around $25k/yr.

It's a great deal compared to nothing, but it's not what most folks are used to living on.

[Type_S1]

Originally posted by HiTempguy1


Not really disagreeing. I told them a year ago we needed to lay people off. However I don't really work for the gov. Its convoluted :dunno: Arms length corporation that earns profits. Call it whatever you like.



I'm sure if people want to dig they'll be able to find it pretty easily, don't really feel it appropriate to blatantly post it.

Only around 20 people out of ~600 staff (including people like janitors).

But we had a round of layoffs last year that was the "you should retire" round. So I'd say in the past 12 months 40-60 people gone, close to 10% of the staff.

Dunno whether to be happy or sad to be kept on. Tough to drop a good job with decent benefits and pay, its basically perfect, but skills definitely atrophying. Would be nice to take the severance and invest it in myself or business opportunities.

They should be cutting 25% of staff from every government agency and instead we just keep racking up debt. The fact that you post on beyond all day while at works is an issue when you are supposed to be working for the people of this province.

Edit: not my issue anymore as I became a non-resident last month anyways. I still think overbloated staffing at government unions will be the death of Canada though.

[HiTempguy1]

Originally posted by Type_S1


The fact that you post on beyond all day while at works is an issue when you are supposed to be working for the people of this province.

You have no idea the work I do or don't do :) Needless to say, its probably a lot more than you considering you've had the time to reply. I think I just went a solid 7+ days without a single post here :dunno:

Go be angry elsewhere though. In this economy, anybody would take a decent paying job. I've lucked out. Get over yourself :rolleyes:

Edit-
I also notice that you just merrily skipped by the fact that I pay for my own wages. :dunno:

[suntan]

Well, my wife's department is being shut down. Expected end date is February.

No one's really quite sure though. It's being totally bungled.

[FraserB]

Accepting an offer this afternoon, glad to be going back to work.

[killramos]

^ Congrats

[Sugarphreak]

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[ganesh]

Accepting an offer this afternoon, glad to be going back to work.

Congrats.

[flipstah]

Fraser winning again! Yay!

[mazdavirgin]

Survived the whole downtown without a layoff and just signed a new offer with a new company for more pay and more vacations :) Looks like things are picking up out there!

[adam c]

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[austic]

went with other...no layoffs slightly lower raises and still large bonuses.

[BerserkerCatSplat]

Accepting an offer this afternoon, glad to be going back to work.

Attaboy! Glad to hear it.

[Gestalt]

As much as I dislike the socialists, im surprised how minor this speed bump was, and the brief pause allowedsome upgrades and investments for the wife and I.

Good luck to the remaining few unemployment.

[89coupe]

I know many who are still unemployed, many who have moved and have changed professions. The industry is far from recovered, and is still in a very critical state. Congrats to those who have risen above and gained employment, but there are many who are still struggling and many who are still in a state of uncertainty. Don't be naive into thinking the industry is on the upswing, because it's the farthest from the truth.

[g-m]

It's certainly on the upswing. You're just not going to see $100bbl oil anytime soon or maybe ever and companies are much leaner with higher standards so not everyone will get back in

[killramos]

Agreed that things are on the upswing, no one is saying its 2013 double meat subs for everyone and every useless idiot who can wake up in the morning gets to make a 6 figure salary, but that things are reversed from getting worse to getting better. Hopefully at a sustainable pace that doesn't lead to another crash in the next 5 years.

[suntan]

About 25K people laid off from the downtown area, about 50K everywhere else in Calgary.

Minor. Yup.

[mr2mike]

NOT on upswing. Media is lying to you.
It's not like there's jobs everywhere. Most have given up this industry and moved on or just "retired". Hiring freezes and salary cuts still here.
Buildings around here are still half empty. Probably of the people that were severed, they've hired back 0.01% of them.

[ExtraSlow]

Retirement is :bigpimp:

[phreezee]

NOT on upswing. Media is lying to you.
It's not like there's jobs everywhere. Most have given up this industry and moved on or just "retired". Hiring freezes and salary cuts still here.
Buildings around here are still half empty. Probably of the people that were severed, they've hired back 0.01% of them.

Agreed. We are still in a CEO must approve every hire situation.

[HiTempguy1]

NOT on upswing. Media is lying to you.
It's not like there's jobs everywhere. Most have given up this industry and moved on or just "retired". Hiring freezes and salary cuts still here.
Buildings around here are still half empty. Probably of the people that were severed, they've hired back 0.01% of them.

If I was laid off, I could not come remotely close to the jobs I've had since 2008. Definitely not a comeback in Alberta.

The rest of Canada is starting to recover. So the country as a whole is starting to look great, Alberta not so much. Suntans numbers are spot on, and all those jobs were for higher paying/professional positions. That's staggering :o

[flipstah]

Brookfield Place is almost done... Does Cenovus have enough bodies to fill that? Meanwhile, The Bow is empty af.

[R-Audi]

Brookfield Place is almost done... Does Cenovus have enough bodies to fill that? Meanwhile, The Bow is empty af.

Brookfieid place has been ready for tenant improvements for many months now... however I dont think there is a single floor with work being done, and that includes the 200k sf that Scotiabank is taking.

[flipstah]

Brookfieid place has been ready for tenant improvements for many months now... however I dont think there is a single floor with work being done, and that includes the 200k sf that Scotiabank is taking.

Really? Because they just started clearing the road so finally, we'll get 4 lanes again on 1st St SW!

[R-Audi]

Cenovus has their current space in the bow and future space in Brookfield up for lease, in hopes that something moves. Chances are slim right now though...they have major issues though, real estate covers something like 10% of their liabilities right now which is ridiculous.

[g-m]

NOT on upswing. Media is lying to you.
It's not like there's jobs everywhere. Most have given up this industry and moved on or just "retired". Hiring freezes and salary cuts still here.
Buildings around here are still half empty. Probably of the people that were severed, they've hired back 0.01% of them.

My comment wasn't based on anything I've read. But hey you're certainly entitled to your opinion

[Type_S1]

It's certainly on the upswing. You're just not going to see $100bbl oil anytime soon or maybe ever and companies are much leaner with higher standards so not everyone will get back in

Stuff is definitely opening up slowly but companies have the pick of the city on who they want to hire. What I've been seeing is the company picks their guy (who is usually jumping ship) and then another top performer elsewhere backfills him and this happens 5-10 times until a shop takes a risk on someone who is unemployed. This results in 5-10 new jobs for people but only 1 unemployed person being hired. This is because typically , and I mean 95% of the time, good people and high performers aren't out of work for long. If you have been out for a year you should step back and evaluate yourself because there is obviously a flaw and a reason you haven't been picked up (again, you may be the 5% so you decide). Unfortunately I don't think the average employees are required anymore for the current business level in Calgary. The above average employees of 3 years ago are now the average as all the dead weight is gone.

I have a feeling we will see a price rise going into "The IPO" next year. I just can't see how the Saudi's would IPO at the current price level...they will force something to happen in the next 6-12 months and we will see a jump at least to $60. This likely won't bring a ton of jobs back but will help those who are employed and investing.

[killramos]

I am confused, do people really think the definition of upswing is everything being back at peak?

Typical Alberta, don't know what was good until it's too late and you are saying prayers for "one more cycle"...

[Gestalt]

I am confused, do people really think the definition of upswing is everything being back at peak?

Typical Alberta, don't know what was good until it's too late and you are saying prayers for "one more cycle"...

I don't care if the industry never gets back to its previous state of excess. I was refering to the provijce as a whole. You are correct, upswing means exactly like it sounds. Like a kid on a swing, swingijg down, hits bittom, starts to come up.

The small downturn created fantastic opportunity for self improvement. Allowed ordinary people with a little money savings and common sense to double down and invest in this province and more impirtanty themselves. If some overpaid financed to the max newfie had to go back home, im mot upset. Hopefully smart enough to learn a lesson about rainy days, humility and being thankful for gifts and good times instead of feeling he is entitled to them.

[bjstare]

edit: woops wrong spot to post.

[KappaSigma]

Managed to avoid layoffs. Actually switched companys, went down to part time and still make above 6 figures. In the process of closing a small asset purchase to start my own producing company as well (fingers crossed). Been lucky but also driven during this downturn.

[sabad66]

Been pretty lucky throughout the downturn. Not laid off yet and actually received raises and relatively big bonuses. At a producer

That said, my role technically expires at the end of the year so I need to either find something else internally before then or I will be laid off

Just accepted a new job (internally) today. Won't be laid off after all!

[The Cosworth]

We just are going through a round of 35 postings closing. We never laid anyone off but let lots of people retire. We're all sorts of screwed now.

[firebane]

I was "laid" off last week :\ Wasn't obviously expecting it but it happened.

[speedog]

We just are going through a round of 35 postings closing. We never laid anyone off but let lots of people retire. We're all sorts of screwed now.

But on beyond there are many who would argue that getting rid of the senior employees is a good thing so the younger, more engaged employees can do a better job. Using this logic, how can you be screwed?

[J-hop]

But on beyond there are many who would argue that getting rid of the senior employees is a good thing so the younger, more engaged employees can do a better job. Using this logic, how can you be screwed?

I think retiring senior people in large lumps makes succession planning and knowledge transfer a real problem. It's one thing to plug gaps, it's another to swiss cheese an organizations' skill base and have the young guys run off their feet to catch up. In general I agree with idea of freshening up your workforce but especially in really technical roles there is a certain level of expertise that can't be taught it comes with years of experience.

[adam c]

But on beyond there are many who would argue that getting rid of the senior employees is a good thing so the younger, more engaged employees can do a better job. Using this logic, how can you be screwed?

Not enough skilled people to do the job?

[ExtraSlow]

I know a reputable place to get top level experienced guys in on short term or part time contracts to help fill those experience gaps. Cheaper than you may think too.

[The Cosworth]

But on beyond there are many who would argue that getting rid of the senior employees is a good thing so the younger, more engaged employees can do a better job. Using this logic, how can you be screwed?

Just to be clear (as I wasn't) we didn't 'retire' too many, 2 or 3. A good couple dozen left on their own for various reasons and we just didn't backfill. The department I used to run had 19 people when I moved jobs, they now have 7 due to moves due to the backfilling.


I know a reputable place to get top level experienced guys in on short term or part time contracts to help fill those experience gaps. Cheaper than you may think too.

Thanks for the offer but different industry than yours. Also most of our guys just come back part time in between their trips to Hawaii and other shit. Quite annoying for us middle guys who replaced them. haha

[Type_S1]

Not enough skilled people to do the job?

Good senior people either a) run/work at small shops or b) are executives at midsize and large shops. Typical senior employees were the reason midsize and large companies were in such bad shape G&A wise. You had a bunch of people who may know a bit more then younger staff (although probably not because if they were worth a shit they would be doing something better then plugging away at a mid sized/big shop) but were typically lazy and took way too long to do simple tasks because they couldn't work technology (print, write documents, figure out excel formulas, use basic software etc.).

I think a good Company should only employ a very select few of senior people, and I mean get some top talent and pay out the ass for it, and the rest of your guys should be 5-10 year guys (top performers for this age range) that are full of piss and vinegar and will kick ass and take names. Luckily we changed the culture at my shop to this (other then support staff like techs and admins who are inherently lazy/useless) and it helped the company tremendously. The business is getting younger due to the schooling and technological advances In the industry. Do you really need a 25+ year engineer that has drilled 100 verticals or an old school geologist that has tried finding conventional plays for the last 25 years? The answer is no, no you don't.

[ExtraSlow]

Your top talent needs to do one of these things really well. Either produce a lot of work, produce specialized work the mid level people can't, lead teams or mentor and develop people.

Ideally not just one but two or three of those. I do agree that at many shops they aren't providing full value in enough of those areas to justify the large full time salaries.

[Sugarphreak]

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[RealJimmyJames]

Calgary isn't like that any more. Have to get past the online process if you want a hope.

[tonytiger55]

But on beyond there are many who would argue that getting rid of the senior employees is a good thing so the younger, more engaged employees can do a better job. Using this logic, how can you be screwed?

When I worked in London over ten years ago. I had a very senior manager that would push me into bringing fresh ideas. This was great as there was a huge technology and generation gap in how people interact with technology and interfaces. In turn I got to learn how his side worked and he had a wealth of knowledge to parts of the business I did not know. In turn our side of the business, we were world leaders in our speciality.

In Calgary, Im just working as admin and I can see senior people (the ones I have worked with) don't take on younger people ideas. Its a very 1970's work mentality where younger people are promoted and just told what to do (i.e 'Yes' people). Ive seen a 26 year old white middle class guy promoted over a 36 year old Filipino who had a wealth of experience and knowledge. He just gets told what to do.

If they just tapped into my experience or that of the Filipino girl, I/we could have shown them a business case where they could increase productivity, increase sales without having to spend any money. But work culture is such that taking ideas from below goes against the entire culture of the business.

I don't think we should get rid of senior people, I think there needs to be a two way knowledge transfer.

[dirtsniffer]

Hahaha how did the two persons race effect that story at all?

[tonytiger55]

Hahaha how did the two persons race effect that story at all?

People tend to recruit with who they can identify with. I would not say race is a direct factor, more of a subtle subconscious one. In this particular story you have a old management and HR that is mid to late 50's. So recruiting a white middle class 25 year old is something they can emotionally identify with as their son, nephew, cousin etc and with similar cultural reference points. Compare that to a 36 year old Filipino with perfect english, a degree, Canadian and international work experience and exact same if not better understanding of the role and skills. I would pick the Filipino. In my old role in management I would pick her as I would tap into that experience to overall enhance the processes and if anything make my job easier.

But that was not the only factor in the story, HR in our company is blatant on hiring people they know rather than people good for the job. In that factor it seemed a bit blatant to me as your not recruiting the best person for the role.
In the company Ive been overlooked several times for roles I have been qualified for. I was so frustrated at one point that I emailed a copy of the company handbook to a lawyer friend abroad. She asked if this was some sort of joke as she said the codes of conduct/company policy on recruiting is like something from the 1980's. This is a big Canada wide company thats on the stock exchange.

Im not attacking it to be a white thing. In my ethnic background, people who run their businesses in Calgary ONLY hire people of that background and sub sect. So its not exclusive to a particular race. Its just the way of the world sometimes.

I just finding it interesting coming from my role in the UK where everything was skills and experience based and HR was held accountable. It was just a bit of a time machine culture shock to me.

[legendboy]

I gave up 8 more months of ei and went back to work for the company i was at for 10 years, 7 years ago. See how things go :)
I got to choose a job title so i made it "internal technical support" lol
HVAC oem, louvers, dampers, ahu, mau, custom, dx cooling...etc. :zzz:

[Xtrema]

Good senior people either a) run/work at small shops or b) are executives at midsize and large shops. Typical senior employees were the reason midsize and large companies were in such bad shape G&A wise. You had a bunch of people who may know a bit more then younger staff (although probably not because if they were worth a shit they would be doing something better then plugging away at a mid sized/big shop) but were typically lazy and took way too long to do simple tasks because they couldn't work technology (print, write documents, figure out excel formulas, use basic software etc.).

I think a good Company should only employ a very select few of senior people, and I mean get some top talent and pay out the ass for it, and the rest of your guys should be 5-10 year guys (top performers for this age range) that are full of piss and vinegar and will kick ass and take names. Luckily we changed the culture at my shop to this (other then support staff like techs and admins who are inherently lazy/useless) and it helped the company tremendously. The business is getting younger due to the schooling and technological advances In the industry. Do you really need a 25+ year engineer that has drilled 100 verticals or an old school geologist that has tried finding conventional plays for the last 25 years? The answer is no, no you don't.

Typical private company may be. When you have an union, and the customer only has a single choice, there are still a lot of 30-40 yr of service guys that stay pretty close to the ground and could be sorely missed because they have "seen it all".

It's both a blessing and a curse really.

On one end, you have someone really knowledgeable working forever. But you don't have enough new blood coming into the systems because that role is being occupied for that long.


Uggg.. well if I don't quit, I am going to get canned. I was in a very bad mood and to make a long story short, basically told my boss I plan to quit... fuck I am a real idiot sometimes.

This is where you need fuck you money before dropping the f bomb at your boss. Now if you don't quit, he knows he got you by the balls.

[s_havinga]

Uggg.. well if I don't quit, I am going to get canned. I was in a very bad mood and to make a long story short, basically told my boss I plan to quit... fuck I am a real idiot sometimes.



I have wondered this, can a company (legally) can you because you threaten to quit? I am not sure if that would be considered acceptable grounds for dismissal?

[HiTempguy1]

I have wondered this, can a company (legally) can you because you threaten to quit? I am not sure if that would be considered acceptable grounds for dismissal?

He probably is talking in a roundabout way of being laid off. I don't think an employer can fire you for talking about leaving.

[Xtrema]

I have wondered this, can a company (legally) can you because you threaten to quit? I am not sure if that would be considered acceptable grounds for dismissal?

No. But probably earn himself a note in HR file if he decided to move around in that company.

[Sugarphreak]

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[Disoblige]

...the bigger issue is more on their side; replacing somebody like me is not easy.
Sooo cocky lol. You know what you're worth.. I guess?

[Xtrema]

I have enough FY money to quit and not worry about it should things degrade, the bigger issue is more on their side; replacing somebody like me is not easy.

I don't think they can fire me for saying I was thinking about leaving, but no doubt the dirt collecting started the second I walked out of the room. The second they get slow or find somebody they think can replace me, I will get my notice.

Or it really depends on the rapport you got. I can do FU all day long because my boss knows if I don't drop enough of it, I ain't busy. :D

[Sugarphreak]

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[TomcoPDR]

I have enough FY money to quit and not worry about it should things degrade, the bigger issue is more on their side; replacing somebody like me is not easy.

I don't think they can fire me for saying I was thinking about leaving, but no doubt the dirt collecting started the second I walked out of the room. The second they get slow or find somebody they think can replace me, I will get my notice.

:thumbsup: yup, know your worth. I envy those who gets family business past down to them, open cashier straight in their pockets. :bigpimp:

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SP letting his boss know who the real boss is lol

I think I'm approaching FU territory too but I still need something to do haha

[TomcoPDR]

Yes yes... $2.5 mil cold hard cash fuck you everybody, work at McDick's for shits n giggles.

http://image.ibb.co/b0RJta/pfy.jpg

[HiTempguy1]

Or it really depends on the rapport you got. I can do FU all day long because my boss knows if I don't drop enough of it, I ain't busy. :D

Yea, my boss knows this as well. When I get quiet, that means there isn't much work.

I do enjoy popping my head out from behind the cubicle wall every once in a while when a subject that involves me is being discussed and surprising everyone that I'm around still :rofl:

You know what though? Employment is a two way street. You bust your ass for these people, there is a reason they hired you, they should listen to you if you aren't a whiner and have legitimate concerns. Doubt phreak just went off on something stupid.

[speedog]

No one is irreplaceable. Yupp, there are many who think they are but the world will keep turning, businesses will adapt and move on. I worked at TELUS long enough to see so many instances of people who thought they were irreplaceable and yet when they left, the company didn't skip a beat. Some adjustments here or there or someone stepped up to the plate and did it as well or even better in a different way but not once in all of my 26+ years there did I see the company plead with someone not to leave or beg them to come back. It was certainly quite the gob smack for some.

[Sugarphreak]

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[lasimmon]

I don't think anyone who actually has fuck you money says "I have enough fuck you money"

[Xtrema]

i don't think anyone who actually has earned their fuck you money says "i have enough fuck you money"

ftfu

You can always tell who in the organization got fuck you money tho.

[nzwasp]

So are the major oil companies done with their layoffs or are they just doing it in small numbers so people don't realize its actually going on?

[colinxx235]

So are the major oil companies done with their layoffs or are they just doing it in small numbers so people don't realize its actually going on?

I had been told from a few friends/past colleagues that places like Cenovus, Imperial, Conoco, Encana and a few others have been sitting just under the minimum every month for a good chunk of 2017 (and some even 2016) to prevent the news releases on lay offs.

Most of the people I know at EPCMs have been sitting under 40 hours/week unless they are lucky enough to have site gigs or some good projects came up.

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ftfu

You can always tell who in the organization got fuck you money tho.

and it's generally not the employees lol