Floyd Mayweather to fight Conor McGregor in boxing match in August

[tonytiger55]

Any Boxing fans here..?
Mayweather to fight McGregor in August...

Not much info on the link.. But what are everyone's thoughts on this?

http://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/40283206

[jabjab]

This will a funny to watch! I feel Mcgregor has a 5% percent chance of winning this fight. Mayweather will make him look extremely silly. Lets hope the undercard is actual good boxing cause the main event will look like an amateur vs a top pro.

The hotels and flights to Vegas aren't even that expensive for this, thinking about going myself.

[roopi]

McGregor gets paid and never fights again. Well I guess Mayweather will do the same. Unless he has another chance to make 250 million in a night.

[max_boost]

yup. this is why boxing is and will always be King. The money is insane!

[JRSC00LUDE]

I'd rather watch spikerS argue with a solicitor at his door than watch these two pieces of shit "fight".

[spikerS]

I'd rather watch spikerS argue with a solicitor at his door than watch these two pieces of shit "fight".

Dude, Mentions are working now. Learn how to use them JRSCOOLUDE . Fucking get with the times old man.

and this fight is retarded. Connor has basically zero chance

[ExtraSlow]

I'd PPV spikerS verbally abusing door-to-door solicitors.

[Team_Mclaren]

wait... so they are boxing>? not fighting in the cage right? I fucking hate both, but how does mcgayer stand a chance?

[spikerS]

wait... so they are boxing>? not fighting in the cage right? I fucking hate both, but how does mcgayer stand a chance?

That's just it. He won't. He is going into Gayweather's world.

[tonytiger55]

Dude, Mentions are working now. Learn how to use them JRSCOOLUDE . Fucking get with the times old man.

and this fight is retarded. Connor has basically zero chance


This fight reminds me of the first Rocky movie... Hell I wonder if Connor plays the theme music on his entrance.

Im kinda curious to see how Mayweather will tactically approach Connor.

[colinxx235]

This fight reminds me of the first Rocky movie... Hell I wonder if Connor plays the theme music on his entrance.

Im kinda curious to see how Mayweather will tactically approach Connor.

Tactically he will sit back and pick him apart 10/8 or 10/7 every round lol

[Doozer]

Wish I could remember the radio station, but one of the Calgary DJs yesterday afternoon was going on record saying he thinks that McGregor will destroy him. Says he's younger, faster, and more motivated.

Personally, I don't see it. The main reason I opened this thread was to make sure I wasn't the only one thinking Mayweather will walk him.

[JRSC00LUDE]

Dude, Mentions are working now. Learn how to use them JRSCOOLUDE . Fucking get with the times old man.

I have no idea what you're talking about but if you think you sent me a notification of some kind, it didn't work!

[dirtsniffer]

if mayweather was the least bit entertaining to watch fight I would maybe watch. no fucking way i'm watching him counter jab a punter for mcgregor for 12 rounds.

[eglove]

I hate mayweather. Hope McGregor punches the shit out of him

[Disoblige]

Well, you never know what will happen. Mayweather might be the favorite, which is all the reason why it wouldn't be a bad idea to put $100 or something on McGregor for kicks. I wonder if the odds are going to change a lot closer to fight day.

[Kloubek]

Mayweather should win this, hands down. It should be noted that Conor DOES have experience with just boxing though.... it was a while back before he got into MMA, but he isn't 100% void of such talents.

[sexualbanana]

McGregor gets paid and never fights again. Well I guess Mayweather will do the same. Unless he has another chance to make 250 million in a night.

That's my concern (which I said in the MMA thread).

Worst case scenario for everybody except Floyd and McGregor is that they realize that everybody expects Mayweather to walk all over McGregor. So an "upset" win by McGregor is only going to pump the PPV buys for a rematch.

[lasimmon]

That's my concern (which I said in the MMA thread).

Worst case scenario for everybody except Floyd and McGregor is that they realize that everybody expects Mayweather to walk all over McGregor. So an "upset" win by McGregor is only going to pump the PPV buys for a rematch.

Heard there is a no rematch clause in the contract. Any truth to that? Or would that even matter?

[sexualbanana]

Heard there is a no rematch clause in the contract. Any truth to that? Or would that even matter?


I don't know about a rematch clause, but apparently there are clauses in the contract that call for huge punishments if McGregor tries to do a non-boxing/MMA-influenced move like a kick or takedown.

[Manhattan]

Mayweather is the most boring champ. He's all defense so I don't see what the hype is all about. Mayweather vs Pacman was hyped so much and that was a terrible fight.

[austic]

Odds are astronomical on this one. Watch Mayweather bets 100mil on connor, takes a dive and walks away from the game a billionaire.

[JordanEG6]

I can view this objectively as I don't care for either. This is an easy win for Mayweather IMO, it's a fight that he better win for the sport's sake too. Even if McGregor were to do any kind of damage to Mayweather, no matter what anyone says, the judging will favor Mayweather to preserve the sport. You're getting boxing judges judging a boxing match, promoted by Showtime (not UFC), where Mayweather is the pro and McGregor is the amateur. There is no chance McGregor is going to win unless he knocks Mayweather out, which is also a very slim chance.

Eitherway, it'll be ducking/running and counter punching for 12 rounds and Mayweather with a UD.

[spikerS]

I can view this objectively as I don't care for either. This is an easy win for Mayweather IMO, it's a fight that he better win for the sport's sake too. Even if McGregor were to do any kind of damage to Mayweather, no matter what anyone says, the judging will favor Mayweather to preserve the sport. You're getting boxing judges judging a boxing match, promoted by Showtime (not UFC), where Mayweather is the pro and McGregor is the amateur. There is no chance McGregor is going to win unless he knocks Mayweather out, which is also a very slim chance.

Eitherway, it'll be ducking/running and counter punching for 12 rounds and Mayweather with a UD.

you know that they use (or at least did) boxing judges for UFC fights? It has evolved over time and the judges have gotten more experienced with MMA, but they used to all come from the Nevada state athletic commission which was almost exclusively boxing. Judging has been a sore point with the UFC from the start.

[Disoblige]

Odds are astronomical on this one. Watch Mayweather bets 100mil on connor, takes a dive and walks away from the game a billionaire.
That's not allowed, lol.

[GTR_Auto]

I can't wait to watch this!

[bjstare]

I can't stand macgregor, I hope Mayweather beats the shit out of him haha.

Either way, despite the fact that they're both losers, they're both winners at the end of the day. I'm in the wrong career.

[J-hop]

Why so many counting out mcgregor?

Floyd hasn't fought in what 2 years? He's 40, 2 years out of the ring at that age might as well be a decade.

Connor is much younger (28) isn't going to have to fight off ring rust, and has a 5 cm reach advantage.

Granted I don't watch much boxing but I watched the pacquiao fight and it was embarrassing for mayweather. He didn't want to engage and relied on the fact that manny couldn't reach him, maybe a strategic tactic but that won't fly with mcgregor.

I don't get why people are beaking mcgregor's boxing. A major component of mma is striking, something mcgregor is no stranger to.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say mcgregor wins. I think he'll push a pace and aggression that mayweather can't keep up with.

Boxing sucks though, so boring.

[civic_stylez]

Sucks that this fight will overshadow the Canelo Alvarez vs Triple G which will be a REAL boxing match worthy of my hard earned dollars for PPV.

[spikerS]

Why so many counting out mcgregor?

Floyd hasn't fought in what 2 years? He's 40, 2 years out of the ring at that age might as well be a decade.

Connor is much younger (28) isn't going to have to fight off ring rust, and has a 5 cm reach advantage.

Granted I don't watch much boxing but I watched the pacquiao fight and it was embarrassing for mayweather. He didn't want to engage and relied on the fact that manny couldn't reach him, maybe a strategic tactic but that won't fly with mcgregor.

I don't get why people are beaking mcgregor's boxing. A major component of mma is striking, something mcgregor is no stranger to.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say mcgregor wins. I think he'll push a pace and aggression that mayweather can't keep up with.

Boxing sucks though, so boring.

McGregor can strike, but striking is only a part of MMA, not the whole picture. Mayweather;s whole life was boxing.

So between the two, muscle memory and reflex conditioning are going to be in 2 completely different states. McGregor's is attuned for MMA, while Mayweather is attuned for boxing. two completely different fight and survival mentalities.

I drive to work every day, hit up speeders for 5 laps every week, no at fault accidents or tickets. That makes me a pretty decent all around driver. But, does that mean I am good enough to take on Lewis Hamilon on an F1 track? It means I am going to get made a mockery of.

The stupid thing is, these 2 can never have a "true" fight to figure out who is better as their life's training is in 2 completely different diciplines and have become masters of their domains /Sienfeld

If you trust that limb you are standing on, I got a $20 on Mayweather.

[OTown]

This fight is stupid. Purely hype and money. These guys are laughing all the way to the bank.

Connor has boxing experience, but nowhere near the skill and experience of Mayweather. I'm thinking May has the advantage, but given the money on this fight they are both winners one way or another.

With that said, I'll probably ironically watch it for curiosity's sake.

[J-hop]

McGregor can strike, but striking is only a part of MMA, not the whole picture. Mayweather;s whole life was boxing.

So between the two, muscle memory and reflex conditioning are going to be in 2 completely different states. McGregor's is attuned for MMA, while Mayweather is attuned for boxing. two completely different fight and survival mentalities.

I drive to work every day, hit up speeders for 5 laps every week, no at fault accidents or tickets. That makes me a pretty decent all around driver. But, does that mean I am good enough to take on Lewis Hamilon on an F1 track? It means I am going to get made a mockery of.

The stupid thing is, these 2 can never have a "true" fight to figure out who is better as their life's training is in 2 completely different diciplines and have become masters of their domains /Sienfeld

If you trust that limb you are standing on, I got a $20 on Mayweather.

I don't think that is necessarily a fairly comparison between driving 40mins a day and someone that trains daily to be the best driver possible. No offence but I know you're not a skilled driver because driving isn't your career so you don't have even have the seat time to take on someone that competes for living.

Comparing MMA to boxing IMO is more like comparing F1 to NASCAR. Connor is well known for his striking (and also his skill as a boxer in his teens), I honestly don't think he will have much trouble retooling for a boxing match.

[spikerS]

I don't think that is necessarily a fairly comparison between driving 40mins a day and someone that trains daily to be the best driver possible. No offence but I know you're not a skilled driver because driving isn't your career so you don't have even have the seat time to take on someone that competes for living.

Comparing MMA to boxing IMO is more like comparing F1 to NASCAR. Connor is well known for his striking (and also his skill as a boxer in his teens), I honestly don't think he will have much trouble retooling for a boxing match.

Sounds like you are pretty confident, take my bet! :pimp:

[J-hop]

Sounds like you are pretty confident, take my bet! :pimp:

I think leaving my post to be ridiculed is better.

I don't bet on sporting events, losing $20? meh. winning $20? Not really worth the gas money to collect and I have zero interest in taking your money :)

[spikerS]

I think leaving my post to be ridiculed is better.

I don't bet on sporting events, losing $20? meh. winning $20? Not really worth the gas money to collect and I have zero interest in taking your money :)

In the world of EMTs...I can now judge how much faith you have in your argument. LOL

Will be a spectacle to watch, either way.

[max_boost]

If Connor has a decent showing I wonder if he would switch to boxing?

[jabjab]

Foot work, cardio, angles are all completely different. The closest skill comparison to Mcgregor would be Andre Berto, he couldn't land for the life of him on Mayweather. Mcgregors only chance would be to knock him out cold and I give that the 5% punchers chance.

[rage2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnyftZZ880s

[JordanEG6]

Why so many counting out mcgregor?

Floyd hasn't fought in what 2 years? He's 40, 2 years out of the ring at that age might as well be a decade.

Connor is much younger (28) isn't going to have to fight off ring rust, and has a 5 cm reach advantage.

Granted I don't watch much boxing but I watched the pacquiao fight and it was embarrassing for mayweather. He didn't want to engage and relied on the fact that manny couldn't reach him, maybe a strategic tactic but that won't fly with mcgregor.

I don't get why people are beaking mcgregor's boxing. A major component of mma is striking, something mcgregor is no stranger to.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say mcgregor wins. I think he'll push a pace and aggression that mayweather can't keep up with.

Boxing sucks though, so boring.

Because Connor McGregor is competing in a different sport as an amateur boxer against one of the greatest boxers of all time whom is undefeated. McGregor is a good striker with decent boxing skills, I don't think anyone believes that he sucks at boxing, but he is nowhere near a professional level. In MMA, you reply on different skill sets to fill in the gaps and utilize for 3-5 rounds, McGregor is having to use a single skill set 100% of the time against a master of that skill set for 10 rounds.

Not a fan of either personally, and people can talk all they want about Mayweather and his boring boxing style, but he's made a living picking apart the best boxers of all time and no ones been able to touch him ever (Pac, Hatton, Marquez, De La Hoya, Judah, Cotto, Mosely etc.). Age matters a bit less in boxing as fighters still compete heavily in their late 30s, early 40s and if you're Berndard Hopkins, in your 50s. Mayweather has the knowledge base, footwork and timing that far exceeds McGregor's in boxing. It's going to be Mayweather breaking him down with defense and counters for 10 rounds and come up with the UD.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geCXKT0hhdI

Hopefully for his sake and for the people paying for this, he improved since last year. Because by the looks of this sparring match against a Welterweight champ, any decent professional has the capacity to beat him at a boxing level. If he drops his hands this much without the ability to throw a kick, Floyd might actually get a TKO.

[ExtraSlow]

SpikerS, I'll put $20 on Connor. Whatever happened to that betting thread? Should this go there? Anyway, post if you accept.

[J-hop]

Because Connor McGregor is competing in a different sport as an amateur boxer against one of the greatest boxers of all time whom is undefeated. McGregor is a good striker with decent boxing skills, I don't think anyone believes that he sucks at boxing, but he is nowhere near a professional level. In MMA, you reply on different skill sets to fill in the gaps and utilize for 3-5 rounds, McGregor is having to use a single skill set 100% of the time against a master of that skill set for 10 rounds.

Not a fan of either personally, and people can talk all they want about Mayweather and his boring boxing style, but he's made a living picking apart the best boxers of all time and no ones been able to touch him ever (Pac, Hatton, Marquez, De La Hoya, Judah, Cotto, Mosely etc.). Age matters a bit less in boxing as fighters still compete heavily in their late 30s, early 40s and if you're Berndard Hopkins, in your 50s. Mayweather has the knowledge base, footwork and timing that far exceeds McGregor's in boxing. It's going to be Mayweather breaking him down with defense and counters for 10 rounds and come up with the UD.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geCXKT0hhdI

Hopefully for his sake and for the people paying for this, he improved since last year. Because by the looks of this sparring match against a Welterweight champ, any decent professional has the capacity to beat him at a boxing level. If he drops his hands this much without the ability to throw a kick, Floyd might actually get a TKO.

I'd argue Bernard hopkins is a great example that age does matter. 6/8 losses were after he turned 40.

I think you're right in that they can still compete later in their years though as boxing does not take near the explosiveness, flexibility or just general physical lability as something like MMA or kickboxing does.

[tonytiger55]

Why so many counting out mcgregor?

Floyd hasn't fought in what 2 years? He's 40, 2 years out of the ring at that age might as well be a decade.

Connor is much younger (28) isn't going to have to fight off ring rust, and has a 5 cm reach advantage.

Granted I don't watch much boxing but I watched the pacquiao fight and it was embarrassing for mayweather. He didn't want to engage and relied on the fact that manny couldn't reach him, maybe a strategic tactic but that won't fly with mcgregor.

I don't get why people are beaking mcgregor's boxing. A major component of mma is striking, something mcgregor is no stranger to.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say mcgregor wins. I think he'll push a pace and aggression that mayweather can't keep up with.

Boxing sucks though, so boring.


Floyd is a refined tactical boxer with many years experience. Yes he is older, but he has been boxing all his life. To put in perspective his bones, muscle memory are attuned to hitting pretty hard. Especially his footwork. Thats key.

McGregor is a MMA fighter he is trained to hit, wrestle and hit different parts of the body. He might be quick, but he may not be able to hit as hard or throw a punch tactically. His footwork is attuned to be different as he doe not always fight with his fists. He might have boxed, but the key here is refinement. Mcgregor might throw good punches, Im betting on Floyd shielding himself and taking it, he had been trained to do that all his life. But a half punch from Floyd to McGregor could mean serious trouble.

This fight if anything makes a mockery of the sport. Its a money spinner if anything. Look at the recent fighter that died. These two boxers are not a real match.

If the Rocky movies has taught me anything, Mcgregor should learn to take the punches and get a girlfriend called Adrienne...

[01RedDX]

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[tonytiger55]

Look at the footwork against Manny.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaiQTKwnW3Q

His footwork is key in this upcoming fight. Mcgregor wont beat him with his fists, its gona be how he moves his legs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JTwgrDGALM

Can one of the mods fix the embed links please? ta..

mod edit - please read this thread so you don't look silly next time: https://forums.beyond.ca/threads/147338-New-Forum-Feature-Youtube-and-Other-Video-Services-Linking

[J-hop]

Floyd is a refined tactical boxer with many years experience. Yes he is older, but he has been boxing all his life. To put in perspective his bones, muscle memory are attuned to hitting pretty hard. Especially his footwork. Thats key.

McGregor is a MMA fighter he is trained to hit, wrestle and hit different parts of the body. He might be quick, but he may not be able to hit as hard or throw a punch tactically. His footwork is attuned to be different as he doe not always fight with his fists. He might have boxed, but the key here is refinement. Mcgregor might throw good punches, Im betting on Floyd shielding himself and taking it, he had been trained to do that all his life. But a half punch from Floyd to McGregor could mean serious trouble.

This fight if anything makes a mockery of the sport. Its a money spinner if anything. Look at the recent fighter that died. These two boxers are not a real match.

If the Rocky movies has taught me anything, Mcgregor should learn to take the punches and get a girlfriend called Adrienne...

I don't think I agree fully. I think you're kind of implying MMA fighters don't know how to take strikes like boxers do. Which I think is 100% false considering a kick to the leg, body or head will do more damage than any punch. MMA fighters train to take and avoid kicks as 100s of fights have ended after well placed kicks.

Hard to say that tim Hague dieing had anything to do with boxing vs MMA, it was a freak occurance and could have happened in Either setting. Tim also specialized in jujitsu not striking. Whereas mcgregor is more specialized in striking.

[The_Penguin]

If Connor has a decent showing I wonder if he would switch to boxing?

I thought I saw something in my newsfeed a couple days ago that implied he won't be going back to MMA, as boxing is where the big money is.
I'll have to see if I can find it.

[tonytiger55]

I don't think I agree fully. I think you're kind of implying MMA fighters don't know how to take strikes like boxers do. Which I think is 100% false considering a kick to the leg, body or head will do more damage than any punch. MMA fighters train to take and avoid kicks as 100s of fights have ended after well placed kicks.

Hard to say that tim Hague dieing had anything to do with boxing vs MMA, it was a freak occurance and could have happened in Either setting. Tim also specialized in jujitsu not striking. Whereas mcgregor is more specialized in striking.

Yes and no. By your argument are you saying the punch from a MMA fighter is the same as a refined boxer? I'd argue its not. Hell no.
A kick would do damage, but a kick is not the same as a punch. But that I mean your footwork, positioning, angle of the kick is different. You would train your footwork, spacing between your opponent and movement for that. McGregors footwork for moving, and taking/absorbing kicks will be useless in this fight.

That leaves his punches. Im implying the footwork, counter punch/power from a refined boxer will be a lot harder and difficult to counter. Mayweather has trained for a long time, those bones and muscles are just for that. McGregor might be able to strike, but boxing is not all about hitting. Its the movement before and after. Check the videos I posted.

In regards to Tim Hague. My point was there were arguments raised on the radio this morning in the sense that the fighters being miss matched.

This fight is mismatched. But then again Mgregorys plan might be to strike. Just as Mike Tyson said... 'everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face...' lolz

[J-hop]

Yes and no. By your argument are you saying the punch from a MMA fighter is the same as a refined boxer? I'd argue its not. Hell no.
A kick would do damage, but a kick is not the same as a punch. But that I mean your footwork, positioning, angle of the kick is different. You would train your footwork, spacing between your opponent and movement for that. McGregors footwork for moving, and taking/absorbing kicks will be useless in this fight.

That leaves his punches. Im implying the footwork, counter punch/power from a refined boxer will be a lot harder and difficult to counter. Mayweather has trained for a long time, those bones and muscles are just for that. McGregor might be able to strike, but boxing is not all about hitting. Its the movement before and after. Check the videos I posted.

In regards to Tim Hague. My point was there were arguments raised on the radio this morning in the sense that the fighters being miss matched.

This fight is mismatched. But then again Mgregorys plan might be to strike. Just as Mike Tyson said... 'everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face...' lolz


That first vid you posted (no offence) looks like someone who had never even sparred captioned that. What he was pointing out was extremely basic, something any good fighter regardless of discipline would do. I don't even think he mentioned manny fought southpaw?

Bones don't form to boxing, muscle memory sure. No mcgregor's footwork won't be useless that is kind of silly to say as that would mean an MMA opponent would want to stand and bang with mcgregor which opponents rarely do against him as he is such a good striker.

You are acting like MMA and boxing are foreign to each other?

The tim Hague fight was not a mismatch due to discipline specifically. Tim was just not a top level fighter(no offence to him) he was cut from the UFC and I believe he was coming off several loses and a bad concussion. He should have never been allowed to take that fight.

Just out of curiosity what do you train in?

Edit: interesting read on Conor's striking from back in 2013 before this fight was even remotely on the radar. Note the parallels discussed between him and Floyd
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/8/16/4623842/judo-chop-striking-conor-mcgregor-ufc-mma-fight-night-shogun-sonnen-26-technique-gif-ko

[r3ccOs]

Yes and no. By your argument are you saying the punch from a MMA fighter is the same as a refined boxer? I'd argue its not. Hell no.
A kick would do damage, but a kick is not the same as a punch. But that I mean your footwork, positioning, angle of the kick is different. You would train your footwork, spacing between your opponent and movement for that. McGregors footwork for moving, and taking/absorbing kicks will be useless in this fight.

That leaves his punches. Im implying the footwork, counter punch/power from a refined boxer will be a lot harder and difficult to counter. Mayweather has trained for a long time, those bones and muscles are just for that. McGregor might be able to strike, but boxing is not all about hitting. Its the movement before and after. Check the videos I posted.

In regards to Tim Hague. My point was there were arguments raised on the radio this morning in the sense that the fighters being miss matched.

This fight is mismatched. But then again Mgregorys plan might be to strike. Just as Mike Tyson said... 'everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face...' lolz

I concur...

I boxed for 9 years, 6 of those as a competitive amateur and still consider myself a "boxer"... I also happened to have grown up with taekwondo and have good foundations in "kicking" as well as wrestled in high school, and trained with the Bisons when I played CIS football.

The last couple of years I took about a years worth of private classes with ex Mike Miles fighters, along with some drop ins in years past.

While still coaching, in the early 2000's I went to a few Vale Tudo invites for fun, and I'll tell you what between striking and grapplers there is nothing more polarized than muay thai and a ground game... grapplers love being close, with many even enjoying being on their backs, while muay thai love their space...

Boxing was always my advantage period. In Vale Tudo, sometimes I'd get hit by a Tiep in the sternem and man that hurt, and the knees are something to watch for... but I was always good at slipping strikes and was a heavy handed counter puncher who could deliver hard kicks and spraw if needed.

My hand and foot speed even while infighting, with my ability to counter a takedown due to wrestling training made me effective against most grapplers other than sometimes getting caught by an experienced Judo fighter. **Judo takedowns are so unconventional to wrestling or jujitsu that they really are hard to guard, and luckily I didn't wear a Gi or a shirt.

Boxing vs a Muay Thai... Muay Thai fighters take hits, they learn to absorb kicks, punches and would rather make space than work on insight fighting as they have very little foot work and head movement, yet they still clinch. On any given day, the better Mauy Thai figher could beat a boxer in Muay Thai and vice versa the better boxer would win in a boxing match (cept for klitschko who were actually very good kickboxers)

An elusive boxer who can kick, well there is a difference... I always believed that a kickboxer who's foundations were based on boxing rather than kickboxing soley always had an advantage.

Now, those who say that MMA is far more brutal than Boxing... I would say yes, and only to the fact that Dana and all these promoters/organizations retire their fighters too fast.

Boxing with the knockdown rules that vary and TKO thats discreationary I personally feel is more "brutal" being allowed to have a boxer knocked "down" and being given the ability to come back after a 10 or 20 count, and sometimes as many times until the Ref deems a TKO.
No doubt a straight knockout is a knockout, but in MMA a ref stoppage often is once someone is placed into a compromised position and not always where the conscience is beaten out of them. (i.e. rear naked choke, vs Tyson vs Larry Holmes)

I'd reckon that if one were to compare the potential or CTE type damages experienced by a Boxer (who has taken an ungodly amount head shots while training, as an amateur and pro) would be worse than that of a typical MMA fighter.

Now back to the topic at hand.

I've read all sorts of stores generating hyperbole regarding Connor's boxing career.... but this is what I understand: He stopped as an amateur at 16 to persue MMA

Connor's Irish... Boxing is to the Irish as a curry is to an Indian or rice to an Asian. It is a relgion to them and in the UK they bet on fights like we do on horse races.

If he was anywhere near as gifted of a boxer as Floyd, it would have been immediately recognized and all the doors would be open in order to get the right promotions to get the right fights arranged as a professional.

Fact is, in a boxing ring.. he'd probably get whooped by a retired Oscar, Manny or Hopkins, let alone Mayweather who truely outboxed each of them.

[spikerS]

SpikerS, I'll put $20 on Connor. Whatever happened to that betting thread? Should this go there? Anyway, post if you accept.

It's on like Donkey Kong!

[J-hop]

Now, those who say that MMA is far more brutal than Boxing... I would say yes, and only to the fact that Dana and all these promoters/organizations retire their fighters too fast.

Boxing with the knockdown rules that vary and TKO thats discreationary I personally feel is more "brutal" being allowed to have a boxer knocked "down" and being given the ability to come back after a 10 or 20 count, and sometimes as many times until the Ref deems a TKO.
No doubt a straight knockout is a knockout, but in MMA a ref stoppage often is once someone is placed into a compromised position and not always where the conscience is beaten out of them. (i.e. rear naked choke, vs Tyson vs Larry Holmes)

I'd reckon that if one were to compare the potential or CTE type damages experienced by a Boxer (who has taken an ungodly amount head shots while training, as an amateur and pro) would be worse than that of a typical MMA fighter.


This is one reason I think straight boxing is such a dumb sport. If a fighter can't intelligently defend themselves the fight shouldn't continue, that is barbaric. I've seen a couple boxing matches where one boxer went full potato in the ring and they still let it continue. Basically zero concern for the athlete.

Stopping fights when fighters are taking severe unanswered damage and retiring fighters early means MMA doesn't leave a trail of broken lives behind it to the extent boxing does.

[Hallowed_point]

I don't particularly care for McGregor but I cannot stand money mayfeather. But floyd will do his usual running man bs and it's gonna be tough to catch him.

[r3ccOs]

I don't particularly care for McGregor but I cannot stand money mayfeather. But floyd will do his usual running man bs and it's gonna be tough to catch him.

All boxers are cocky and more so if they have been dominant for so long.

Fact is, if you watch Money and can't pick up on the subtleties of his work, you will think he is boring. But he has won in stoppages in over 50% of his pro career and as a "boxer" there is none finer in the craft.

[tonytiger55]

That first vid you posted (no offence) looks like someone who had never even sparred captioned that. What he was pointing out was extremely basic, something any good fighter regardless of discipline would do. I don't even think he mentioned manny fought southpaw?

Bones don't form to boxing, muscle memory sure. No mcgregor's footwork won't be useless that is kind of silly to say as that would mean an MMA opponent would want to stand and bang with mcgregor which opponents rarely do against him as he is such a good striker.

You are acting like MMA and boxing are foreign to each other?

The tim Hague fight was not a mismatch due to discipline specifically. Tim was just not a top level fighter(no offence to him) he was cut from the UFC and I believe he was coming off several loses and a bad concussion. He should have never been allowed to take that fight.

Just out of curiosity what do you train in?

Edit: interesting read on Conor's striking from back in 2013 before this fight was even remotely on the radar. Note the parallels discussed between him and Floyd
https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/8/16/4623842/judo-chop-striking-conor-mcgregor-ufc-mma-fight-night-shogun-sonnen-26-technique-gif-ko

In regards to your first paragraph. I think you missed my point. R3CC0 well written post above summed up what I was attempting poorly to point out.

Bones do form stronger in relation boxing or condition training for that matter. Mu Thai might be another example. Specific types of training will increase bone density. Bones will break on a micro level and re-heal denser.

I don’t think McGregors footwork will be entirely useless. Not at all, His boxing footwork will be good, I just don’t think it will be as refined as Mayweather’s. His footwork for kicking, grappling etc will be irrelevant in a boxing match.
Though thanks for posting the link, that was a interesting read.

As for what I train in. I think that question subtly shifts the perspective away from the valid arguments I have presented. My validating my training(or lack of) for your curiosity is not the argument or discussion here.
I think focus should be on the arguments and the exploration of the discussion.

I think I would agree to disagree on the points raised.

R3CC0, your right, he is Irish.. he has heart.

[J-hop]

The reason I asked what you trained in was related to my first comment. The subtleties aren't really that astounding. Sure he may be extremely refined but there was only basics pointed out in that vid.

In regards to your comment about bone density, how would that be different from someone that trains MMA? The differences you are talking about will be negligible.

[01RedDX]

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[r3ccOs]

Further to that, the padding and gloves used in boxing amplify the impact dramatically and cause more diffuse traumas, esp. over time and esp. in the brain. Getting hit with a bare knuckle will cause more localized damage, sure it can knock you out, but is less likely to cause permanent damage.

I wish Conor luck, sincerely, as he's going to need it. Even with his teenage boxing exp and training every day for 6 months (or however long they've been talking about this fight.)

Mayweather's foot and handspeed is nuts... I mean the speed, counterpunching and movement of a lightweight, flyweight, welterweight, mid weight fighters is incredible at a pro level, and he's at an altogether level. Don't get me wrong Connor is in the same weight class, but to me, it would be doubtful if he could solidly land on Sugar Shane Mosley, who as elusive as he was, isn't as good as Floyd at the same game.

[r3ccOs]

Further to that, the padding and gloves used in boxing amplify the impact dramatically and cause more diffuse traumas, esp. over time and esp. in the brain. Getting hit with a bare knuckle will cause more localized damage, sure it can knock you out, but is less likely to cause permanent damage.

I wish Conor luck, sincerely, as he's going to need it. Even with his teenage boxing exp and training every day for 6 months (or however long they've been talking about this fight.)

I believe it has been proven that CTE doesn't result from just significant one time large blows to the head, and as you ellude to above, I would say that the padding though more permanently damaging, allow for the sustained repetitive blows.

Hey, I've also sparred and fought in situations where I was more defensively tactical, won, and still felt worse than taking a stinger that's dropped me. Just by putting your glove to your Chin and bracing for impact doesn't prevent your brain from sloshing around in there.

Also, check this highlights of Mosley/De La Hoya out... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktVqFsFBokY

I've never seen an exchange in MMA nearly as intense or competitive.

Definitely we will not be seeing this in August.

[01RedDX]

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[Hallowed_point]

Make no mistake, I'm excited for this fight if it even lives up to a portion of the hype which I'm sure it will.

Have to give McGregor credit for being willing to step up to the plate.

[r3ccOs]

Make no mistake, I'm excited for this fight if it even lives up to a portion of the hype which I'm sure it will.

Have to give McGregor credit for being willing to step up to the plate.


For even 1 million dollars, I'll fight Money

[01RedDX]

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[Supa Dexta]

The press conferences are turning out to be quite a spectacle themselves. This event is interesting for the sheer size of itself.

[89coupe]

I hope McGregor KO's him, it would rock the boxing world.

[hks]

Mcgregor gonna get schooled.
Imagine what would happen to him if he got into the ring with manny, canelo, maidana, mosley etc etc. He would get knocked the fuck out.
Now imagine how Floyd made those same guys look.

This fight is not going to be close

[ExtraSlow]

The lead-up to this fight is currently meeting expectations.

[Power_Of_Rotary]

The lead-up to this fight is currently meeting expectations.


Sadly mayweather would not have the balls to step into the octagon. I dont like either of these 2. Hope they knock each other the fuck out.

[adam c]

McGregor has a better chance boxing that Mayweather has in the octagon..

[JordanEG6]

Watch out, Rinaldo :rofl:


https://youtu.be/9o7KPoS0HGs

[dj_patm]

Sadly mayweather would not have the balls to step into the octagon. I dont like either of these 2. Hope they knock each other the fuck out.

A boxer would die in an MMA fight. All of boxing comprises of one very specific skill that's not even that important for MMA.

You can't even say with certainty that a boxers stand up would be better than every MMA fighter as boxing ignores all kicks, knees and elbows. I assume Muay Thai and Tae Kwon Do could match up well with a boxer standing up.

[J-hop]

A boxer would die in an MMA fight. All of boxing comprises of one very specific skill that's not even that important for MMA.

You can't even say with certainty that a boxers stand up would be better than every MMA fighter as boxing ignores all kicks, knees and elbows. I assume Muay Thai and Tae Kwon Do could match up well with a boxer standing up.

Yea I can't think of any boxer that has had true success in MMA. The closest might be holly holm. But she also started kickboxing long before MMA and fought at a very high level so she didn't come directly from strict boxing.

[rx7boi]

Why would it matter if Mayweather doesn't stand a chance in the octagon?

They're boxing unless I'm missing something.

[Supa Dexta]

Well played indeed -

http://www.totalprosports.com/2017/07/23/conor-mcgregor-trolls-mayweather-with-cj-watson-jersey-who-slept-with-ex-girlfriend/

[OTown]

The lead-up to this fight is currently meeting expectations.

They are just actors in a big game, trying to hype their fight up as much as possible. Whether they win or lose, they will get their millions upon millions and laugh at the whole thing.

[ExtraSlow]

I'd replace the word "actors" with "entertainers ", but yes.
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[JfuckinC]

I don't know about a rematch clause, but apparently there are clauses in the contract that call for huge punishments if McGregor tries to do a non-boxing/MMA-influenced move like a kick or takedown.


Could he do like a spinning backhand though? would that be legal in boxing? haha

[Disoblige]

Could he do like a spinning backhand though? would that be legal in boxing? haha
No, it's not legal to hit someone with the back of your glove. And even if it was legal, it would be super dumb for McGregor to do lol.

[max_boost]

Mcgregor gonna get schooled.
Imagine what would happen to him if he got into the ring with manny, canelo, maidana, mosley etc etc. He would get knocked the fuck out.
Now imagine how Floyd made those same guys look.

This fight is not going to be close

My thoughts too lol I just don't see how Connor has a chance?! :nut:

[rage2]

Spoiler Alert for anyone who hasn't watched the Great White Hype: http://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/la-sp-mayweather-mcgregor-hernandez-20170717-story.html

This fight has been following this script so close that they might as well re-release the movie afterwards haha.

[spikerS]

Spoiler Alert for anyone who hasn't watched the Great White Hype: http://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/la-sp-mayweather-mcgregor-hernandez-20170717-story.html

This fight has been following this script so close that they might as well re-release the movie afterwards haha.

you are so vain. you only found that story from a google alert for "Shelton" :rofl:

[rx7boi]

Is anyone putting down bets on the fight? Which bookmaker did you guys go with?

[Disoblige]

Can't believe the fight is actually happening tomorrow.
4.5 hours until weigh-in. It will be interesting to see how much the weight difference is on fight night. It's estimated McGregor may be near 170 lb based on previous experience.

As for fight hype, I honestly wish they hyped it up differently than emphasizing how rich both these guys are going to be. I think they would have sold a lot more tickets that way. Oh well.

[ExtraSlow]

Someone live-post the fight for me. I'll be working while it's happening.
Still gonna make $20 when the Irish boy wins tho.

[tonytiger55]

Where is everyone watching the fight?

J-Hop, you still feeling the love for Irish..? Are gonna show your support by drinking Guinness tomorrow night? :poosie:

[Mostwanted]

Is anyone putting down bets on the fight? Which bookmaker did you guys go with?

WilliamHill is where i place all my sportsbets

[J-hop]

Where is everyone watching the fight?

J-Hop, you still feeling the love for Irish..? Are gonna show your support by drinking Guinness tomorrow night? :poosie:

Who dah fook is dis guy here ah???

Yea I'm still on the mcgregor side. Will graciously accept a good flaming Sunday if mayweather takes it

[max_boost]

lol McGregor is gonna get schooled for 12 is my guess. He's a warrior and will take an absolute beating but he'll stand there and say fk the free world (eminem) or some shit and then challenge floyd to the octagon haha oh ya, and collect his 25/50/75/100mill or whatever cut he gets laughing all the way to the bank lol

[tonytiger55]

I was listening to this on Talk sport Radio. I found a youtube of the radio podcast.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrlVePvD5tk

[88CRX]

As for fight hype, I honestly wish they hyped it up differently than emphasizing how rich both these guys are going to be. I think they would have sold a lot more tickets that way. Oh well.

Word. Not a chance I'm paying $100 to buy the fight.

Floyd's just gonna wander around the ring dodging punches anyways. Probably be a snooze fest.

[Gestalt]

Word. Not a chance I'm paying $100 to buy the fight.

Floyd's just gonna wander around the ring dodging punches anyways. Probably be a snooze fest.

A fool and his money are eazily parted.

I cant believe people fall for this crap. Wbo gives a crap about a sales ploy thats guaranteed pre determined.

[J-hop]

A fool and his money are eazily parted.

I cant believe people fall for this crap. Wbo gives a crap about a sales ploy thats guaranteed pre determined.

There are tons of places showing this for free, plus that isn't the only fight you know. There are 7 undercard fights that will probably be more interesting to watch ignoring the hype of the main event.

Tell me what is wrong with watching a sporting event with a few friends, having beers and a good time? The only time I'd say it's silly is if you don't have any friends, shell out $100 to sit alone in your basement.

[Gestalt]

There are tons of places showing this for free, plus that isn't the only fight you know. There are 7 undercard fights that will probably be more interesting to watch ignoring the hype of the main event.

Tell me what is wrong with watching a sporting event with a few friends, having beers and a good time? The only time I'd say it's silly is if you don't have any friends, shell out $100 to sit alone in your basement.

Its meaningless, bit if its on in the background while you bond with the boys anyway, its fine. People excited by it are suspect to me. Or women.

[blairtruck]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BoxingStreams/ is where i will be finding it for free

[J-hop]

Its meaningless, bit if its on in the background while you bond with the boys anyway, its fine. People excited by it are suspect to me. Or women.

Maybe it's not your sport or maybe you just don't like sports? I don't think you wondering about people in this thread is going to trigger anyone if that was your intent? I wonder about people that go into threads about things they have absolutely zero interest in or understanding of and try to criticize them, like you're looking for an e-fight

[spikerS]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BoxingStreams/ is where i will be finding it for free

Thanks for that. I thought I was going to have to miss it.

[J-hop]

Just watched most of the weigh ins. Floyd is WAY underweight. Weighed in at 149.5 and looked really fluffy at that weight. Never realized how much bigger mcgregor is than him

mcgregor will for sure have about 20 pounds on him in the ring tomorrow

[Gestalt]

Maybe it's not your sport or maybe you just don't like sports? I don't think you wondering about people in this thread is going to trigger anyone if that was your intent? I wonder about people that go into threads about things they have absolutely zero interest in or understanding of and try to criticize them, like you're looking for an e-fight

Sport? Dont get carried away. Its more of a drama or an opera.

[colsankey]

Man you watch some weird ass opera ...

[rage2]

Man you watch some weird ass opera ...

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