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max_boost
08-17-2017, 12:37 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/barcelona-attack-las-ramblas-van-shooting-victims-injured-spain-city-centre-a7898681.html

Another one

bigbadboss101
08-17-2017, 01:16 PM
Cowards!

Antonito
08-17-2017, 01:36 PM
Spain is a country that kind of doesn't give a fuck, hopefully if they catch them alive they'll skin them or something suitably brutal for vermin like this

tonytiger55
08-17-2017, 01:44 PM
Spain is a country that kind of doesn't give a fuck, hopefully if they catch them alive they'll skin them or something suitably brutal for vermin like this

What a cunt. Catch the fucker and put him on a bull run with a dead end.

phreezee
08-17-2017, 07:24 PM
What did Spain do to become a target?

max_boost
08-17-2017, 07:44 PM
What did Spain do to become a target?

Nothing. Just part and parcel of living in a big city.

Xtrema
08-17-2017, 09:22 PM
What did Spain do to become a target?

All western world are targets. Whatever they can do to stir up more hate. I don't think these events should be reported at all to give them the satisfaction but that's just me.

Kloubek
08-18-2017, 09:13 AM
All western world are targets. Whatever they can do to stir up more hate. I don't think these events should be reported at all to give them the satisfaction but that's just me.

Spain is in the West? Man - do I ever fail in geography. :)

Mitsu3000gt
08-18-2017, 09:24 AM
What did Spain do to become a target?

Hotspot for Western (N/A and Europe) tourists, and proximity. Any 'Western' country is a target.

HiTempguy1
08-18-2017, 09:28 AM
Spain is in the West? Man - do I ever fail in geography. :)

Well, you do fail at context and geopolitical orientation. :p

"Western world" refers to basically 1st world democratic countries, primarily made up "western europe" and North America.

Xtrema
08-19-2017, 08:32 AM
Spain is in the West? Man - do I ever fail in geography. :)

Part of EU block and just a rubber raft ride from Morocco. These incidents are designed to fan racism, nationalism and immigration issues to perpetuate the hate. They are design to break us up from within, change people's mind so we will undo ourselves. Use as way to stop the economy so everyone suffers and fall more to these extreme ideologies.

If you look at what's happening in US and Europe, terrorists have already won. We are tearing ourselves apart.

phreezee
08-22-2017, 09:30 AM
One of the more positive marches of late.

https://www.rt.com/news/400467-barcelona-muslims-rally-terrorism/

J-hop
08-22-2017, 03:05 PM
One of the more positive marches of late.

https://www.rt.com/news/400467-barcelona-muslims-rally-terrorism/

Yea like him or hate him Sam Harris has a great point that it is Muslims that need to step up and take a leading role in the dialogue and action against these extremists.

msommers
08-22-2017, 06:14 PM
Muslim leaders have spoken out time and time again against terrorism but it fall on deaf ears. Idiots have made up their minds already that Muslim = terrorist. Terrorists kill more Muslims than anyone else but it just doesn't sink in. The fact these people need to march to separate themselves from terrorists is incredibly concerning. Marginalization much?

https://www.indy100.com/article/isis-kill-mostly-muslims-manchester-kabul-7768751

J-hop
08-22-2017, 07:54 PM
Muslim leaders have spoken out time and time again against terrorism but it fall on deaf ears. Idiots have made up their minds already that Muslim = terrorist. Terrorists kill more Muslims than anyone else but it just doesn't sink in. The fact these people need to march to separate themselves from terrorists is incredibly concerning. Marginalization much?

https://www.indy100.com/article/isis-kill-mostly-muslims-manchester-kabul-7768751

Totally agree, but the fact remains this is a uniquely Islamic problem. Christianity does not have the same problems. Has it in the past? Absolutely. Is it a better religion? absolutely not.

Islamic leaders claim ISIS cherry picks messages from the Quran and ignores contradicting verses. The Quran however (like the Christian bible) is riddled with inconsistent and contradicting messages leaving broad ranges of interpretations. I've read some of an English translation and it is a difficult read for someone thinking critically and regardless of your interpretation it is full of hints (and direct) distain towards non-believers.

At this point atheists and non-Muslims are not going to be taken seriously in these discussions. It is up to Muslims to influence change from within

phreezee
08-22-2017, 08:37 PM
Muslim leaders have spoken out time and time again against terrorism but it fall on deaf ears. Idiots have made up their minds already that Muslim = terrorist. Terrorists kill more Muslims than anyone else but it just doesn't sink in. The fact these people need to march to separate themselves from terrorists is incredibly concerning. Marginalization much?

https://www.indy100.com/article/isis-kill-mostly-muslims-manchester-kabul-7768751

Hmmm, and yet all over the world at least 1/3 of muslims believe jihad is justifiable. In some places closer to 1/2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_toward_terrorism

Mitsu3000gt
08-23-2017, 09:24 AM
Looks like Spain doesn't have the death penalty, unfortunately.

Antonito
08-23-2017, 09:45 AM
Hmmm, and yet all over the world at least 1/3 of muslims believe jihad is justifiable. In some places closer to 1/2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_attitudes_toward_terrorism
It would be nice if they could have had a control question to give context about what is justifiable. If it's just to kill infidels, then fuck those guys. If it's to avenge the slaughter of your family by someone specific, eh ok there's at least some reasoning. I'd imagine if Americans were asked if drones are justifiable most would say yes. Most of those people would likely answer that it's only justifiable if no civilians get hurt. But to someone that lives in a country that gets drones that original "yes" would sound horrific given the rate of civilian casualties