Cutting out meat/ Gluten Free/ Vegan

[tonytiger55]

Has anyone cut out meat, refined sugars, milk and wheat in their diet?

Ive started doing it after seeing a ayurvedic doctor last month after conventional doctors could not diagnose my sickness.
Its been only two weeks. The first week was hell, No fucking joke. The sugar cravings were insane (the headaches..oh god the headaches..).

Im eating a lot more fruit, vegetables, lentils and fish.

I noticed in the first week I would piss a lot more and I was not thirsty as much. I don't need to drink as much water as I used to.
Int his second week my energy level seems much more level. Im not hungry as I used to be. I eat very little i I am hungry and don't have big hunger binges.
I was not expecting to feel like this in the second week, I would thought it would take longer.

Have anyone made any similar changes to their diet?

[craigcd]

Good job! Is it addressing your issues/sickness?

Stopped eating meat(including fish) three years ago and the health benefits are insane. I maintain the same weight that I do when I am marathon training and only get out for jogs here and there. I come from a meat eating family (not a hippy haha) and my friends make a point to bug me at every opportunity. I still do eat some dairy as in I wont not eat something because it contains eggs or milk. That being said I wouldn't make eggs for breakfast and drink a glass of milk. I am on the fence with wheat, yes I would likely benefit from dropping it but you have to have some vice and I think meat is 100%worse than wheat.

Honestly the hardest thing on your list to kick (and keep with) will be sugar. I go in spits and spurts of how regimented I am but when I am following the no refined sugar strictly I drop weight instantly. The first week is a nightmare. Then I feel fine.

Since my change, my brother who was a avid BBQ'er has sold off all his BBQing and smoking gear and done the same. Another OG beyonder who no longer posts has also followed suit and lost weight and is maintaining it without even trying.

Including myself these are all people who you would never expect be vegetarians (ish)

[tonytiger55]

Its a bit early to say if its addressing the sickness. I still have the exact same issues.

A friend had the same issues she went vegan and got better after six months. My Ayurvedic doctor said I wont start to feel better till 3rd-4th month. Im taking a shit ton of herbal bills she has prescribed too.

I can still eat eggs, no yolk. Small amount of chicken/turkey but has to be grilled. But really I avoiding it all together, or eating small scraps.
Im drinking soy milk.. holy shit who would have thought this shit tastes so good?
No Kidney Beans or chick peas, no nuts except almonds.
Its inetresting what you say about the weight. Im 20lb over weight in terms of body fat. Will be interesting to see what happens, I wonder if I will shrivel up like a prune..

In terms of cuisines, what do you eat? I have reverted to eating more food native to my parents culture(East Indian) lentils, cooked vegetables with spices. But im strugling with eating so much rice.. No naan bread or chappatis:(

[RickDaTuner]

I really need to get on this kind of diet, I've have recently developed arthritis in all my joins, which has no imfamitory markers on blood tests. My current rheumatologist suspects Sjogren's syndrome which if thats the case, there is no cure just treatment, but loosing the excess weight could only help to reduce the joint inflammation.

I don't know enough about eating vegan though, is there sites that you guys reccomend that give you recipes to not make it so monotonous?

[craigcd]

I really need to get on this kind of diet, I've have recently developed arthritis in all my joins, which has no imfamitory markers on blood tests. My current rheumatologist suspects Sjogren's syndrome which if thats the case, there is no cure just treatment, but loosing the excess weight could only help to reduce the joint inflammation.

I don't know enough about eating vegan though, is there sites that you guys reccomend that give you recipes to not make it so monotonous?

Vegan is massive leap. Look up plant based diet- lots of resources out there. You dont need to start out 100% vegan, just make small changes or it wont last.

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Its a bit early to say if its addressing the sickness. I still have the exact same issues.

A friend had the same issues she went vegan and got better after six months. My Ayurvedic doctor said I wont start to feel better till 3rd-4th month. Im taking a shit ton of herbal bills she has prescribed too.

I can still eat eggs, no yolk. Small amount of chicken/turkey but has to be grilled. But really I avoiding it all together, or eating small scraps.
Im drinking soy milk.. holy shit who would have thought this shit tastes so good?
No Kidney Beans or chick peas, no nuts except almonds.
Its inetresting what you say about the weight. Im 20lb over weight in terms of body fat. Will be interesting to see what happens, I wonder if I will shrivel up like a prune..

In terms of cuisines, what do you eat? I have reverted to eating more food native to my parents culture(East Indian) lentils, cooked vegetables with spices. But im strugling with eating so much rice.. No naan bread or chappatis:(

If you stick to it you will lose the weight from cutting sugar alone I bet. If you stay on track I cant see how you wouldnt lose a ton of weight.

If you're allowed almonds, try almond milk-its awesome, stay away from the sugar added stuff though!

Meal prep is key, cut up vegetables in advance for a couple days and have them ready to go. Most of the time you resort to crappy choices out of convenience. There are lots of veg restaurants in Calgary and even some that have meal prep options like "Hearts Choice".

[revelations]

I've been slowly moving away from sugars/red meats/milk over the years. With sugars, its the insulin response thats definitely the biggest factor for me. The hormones in cow milk also play a factor for me, I switched to almond milk (sugarless).

Allowing yourself a "cheat" day a few times a month isnt also the end of the world. In reality, with family there will always be that

Also with alcohol - I drink vodka mixed with V8 and water.

[Seth1968]

Just about the worst for health is refined sugar. If I had my way, refined sugar would be deemed a toxin. Especially in the outrageous quantities that it's found in food and drink.

Red meat and the mammary gland secretions of an animal (milk), are a close second. The propaganda from the dairy industry tells you it's healthy. Well, long story short, it's destroying your bones among other things.

BTW- Kudos to the poster that mentioned almond milk, and another that mentioned taking it slow.

My desire to be Vegan contradicts my other desire to just not give a fuck.

[Darkane]

I’m not one to judge or care much about this, but for the love of god don’t drink soy milk.

It can ruin you.

[tonytiger55]

I really need to get on this kind of diet, I've have recently developed arthritis in all my joins, which has no imfamitory markers on blood tests. My current rheumatologist suspects Sjogren's syndrome which if thats the case, there is no cure just treatment, but loosing the excess weight could only help to reduce the joint inflammation.

I don't know enough about eating vegan though, is there sites that you guys reccomend that give you recipes to not make it so monotonous?

Im in the same boat. I struggle with online recipes. So what I do is try different 'authentic' foods, cook the Indian foods my mother made or try and replicate dishes when I backpacked south east Asia.

I spoke with some east european friends last night. They mentioned they do this thing with cooking vegetables. They put the veg in boiling water and turn the heat right down and partially let the water evaporate. Not sure what this process is but will look into this more.

But as Craig said, start slow. When I was working out a few years back, I would cut my meat by 1 and increase the veg portions (i.e one chicken breast instead of two and load up on the veggies.)


If you stick to it you will lose the weight from cutting sugar alone I bet. If you stay on track I cant see how you wouldnt lose a ton of weight.

If you're allowed almonds, try almond milk-its awesome, stay away from the sugar added stuff though!

Meal prep is key, cut up vegetables in advance for a couple days and have them ready to go. Most of the time you resort to crappy choices out of convenience. There are lots of veg restaurants in Calgary and even some that have meal prep options like "Hearts Choice".

I struggle with the vegetarian restaurants here. The food they serve has no taste, masala or spice.


Here is the funny thing about the food im finding here. So a couple of years ago I was making a full English breakfast and I was getting the baked beans out. This time instead of using the the Bush brand I saw some UK Heinz Bakes beans and a grabbed a few cans. The UK heinz tasted weird... could not figure it out. I ate the Bush brand and it tasted good, so I looked at the Bush brand and ingredients. They add fucking sugar to it. Its the fucking sugar that gets you hooked. Fucking wankers.

I will try the almond milk next.

[craigcd]

A good veg restaurant is on par with any other restaurant. Replicating that at home is the challenge haha. Try "Hearts Choice" its like a deli, good food but its spendy. Also try "The Coup" on 17th (its hipster central so beware lol)

[tonytiger55]

A good veg restaurant is on par with any other restaurant. Replicating that at home is the challenge haha. Try "Hearts Choice" its like a deli, good food but its spendy. Also try "The Coup" on 17th (its hipster central so beware lol)

Ive ben to the Coup a couple of times. I find it waaay too bland.. No spices, sauces or anything.
I'l try the Hearts Choice..

[NissanFanBoy]

Not a vegan but am vegetarian...I get dark chocolate almond milk from Superstore, tastes even better than real milk!

Anyone tried the veggie burger at Burger King, best one I've had so far, can't even tell the difference...

[tonytiger55]

So I switched to Almond milk. Its pretty impressive how good it tastes. How did I not know this shit before..?:nut:

I can't eat fried stuff, or wheat (bun) *sigh*..do you know if the Veggie burger at Burger King is flame grilled?
I coud kill for a whopper right now.. :cry:

From memory..Mcdonalds Veggie burgers (UK) fucking taste amazing. The grocery chain in the UK (Tesco) do some of the best veggie burger I have ever tasted.

Do any of you guys eat root vegetables? If so how do you like to cook them? I throw mine in the oven sprinkled with some salt, blackpepper, maybe some herbs.

[max_boost]

Ive ben to the Coup a couple of times. I find it waaay too bland.. No spices, sauces or anything.
I'l try the Hearts Choice..

my ex took me to the coup and told me this tastes like beef lol it does not. beef tastes like beef!

[ExtraSlow]

When I eat beets I stain my sheets. I don't even know why.

[duaner]

I've dropped 20lbs in the last 8 weeks without really trying, although I think about 5lbs was muscle mass. Switched to somewhat of a ketogenic diet--low carb, medium protein, high fat--combined with intermittent fasting. First thing was to cut out sugar from coffee and use coffee cream or, preferably, whipping cream. The worst part is just having a bit of self-control, although I still enjoy a few too many carbs here and there, but can eat a lot of things like bacon, eggs, cheese, and butter. Just need to find the time and energy (both have been in shorter than usual supply since school started) to workout and get some muscle mass back.

Got all that from Jason Fung's The Complete Guide to Fasting. Pretty interesting stuff, especially what fasting does for the body in general but can also cure type II diabetes, for example. It's all about insulin response.

https://www.amazon.ca/Complete-Guide-Fasting-Intermittent-Alternate-Day/dp/1628600012/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1508208691&sr=8-1&keywords=jason+fung

Having said all that, now that I have benefits again, through school, I am going to try and get a food allergy test to see if there is anything I can improve on. Personally, I don't believe the hype about going gluten-free, unless one has an insensitivity. I've slowed down a bt with meat but could never cut it out. But...people just need to find what works for them and what is sustainable and motivating long-term.

[dirtsniffer]

I've done the whole30 twice. Always makes me feel great.

I like booze too much to do it full time. Clean eatings two months a year is good enough for me. Also whole30 allows all the meat. Doesn't seem to bother me.

[KPHMPH]

Hey what do you guys do for lunches ?!

Suppers seem to be okay to make but I’m having trouble with lunches. Currently I’m on wraps: wrap, cheese, lettuce tomato, onion and then a protein ( chicken or tuna ) so what do I replace those with?!

[taemo]

I've dropped 20lbs in the last 8 weeks without really trying, although I think about 5lbs was muscle mass. Switched to somewhat of a ketogenic diet--low carb, medium protein, high fat--combined with intermittent fasting. First thing was to cut out sugar from coffee and use coffee cream or, preferably, whipping cream. The worst part is just having a bit of self-control, although I still enjoy a few too many carbs here and there, but can eat a lot of things like bacon, eggs, cheese, and butter. Just need to find the time and energy (both have been in shorter than usual supply since school started) to workout and get some muscle mass back.

Got all that from Jason Fung's The Complete Guide to Fasting. Pretty interesting stuff, especially what fasting does for the body in general but can also cure type II diabetes, for example. It's all about insulin response.

https://www.amazon.ca/Complete-Guide-Fasting-Intermittent-Alternate-Day/dp/1628600012/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1508208691&sr=8-1&keywords=jason+fung

Having said all that, now that I have benefits again, through school, I am going to try and get a food allergy test to see if there is anything I can improve on. Personally, I don't believe the hype about going gluten-free, unless one has an insensitivity. I've slowed down a bt with meat but could never cut it out. But...people just need to find what works for them and what is sustainable and motivating long-term.

been on a IMF diet for the past 2 weeks and have dropped 10lbs already without really changing my diet.
started with 18/6 right off the bat with no issues, might start doing 16/8 on weekends later on.
my diet has consisted mostly of veggies, low sugar fruits, eggs, cheese, meat and small amount of carbs.
cup of coffee in the morning and mostly tea and water during the day.

I feel like I have more energy and not craving food as much, I thought I would go weak while working out/cycling but it hasn't been an issue so far.

[craigcd]

Hey what do you guys do for lunches ?!

Suppers seem to be okay to make but I’m having trouble with lunches. Currently I’m on wraps: wrap, cheese, lettuce tomato, onion and then a protein ( chicken or tuna ) so what do I replace those with?!

My meal plan looks like this:

Morning- oatmeal, plain nothing added oatmeal. Sometimes I add berries but I have eaten this for the past 10 years and its what I am used to. I can relate the texture and taste to paper mache but it fills me up haha. Cup of coffee. Mid morning fruit of some sort. Late morning bag of vegetables- heavy on broccoli. (Keep in mind am up at 5:15 AM and typically don't eat lunch till noon)

Lunch- typically a bit more challenging. Sometimes I make wraps which are basically salads in a tortilla, very similar to what you have listed above KPHMPH but add in something rather than meat- avocado, chick peas, whatever. I have also gotten onto pre-packaged vegan bowls from the health food section. I know they might not be the best choice but they are quick and reasonably priced so they work in a pinch. More fruit.

Dinner- this could really be anything but typically involves wild brown rice, beans, vegetables, salad, etc

I typically eat fruit throughout the day and put no limit on how much I eat. This might be a issue for some people but it isn't for me. Honestly for me, part of eating vegetarian and healthy is eating pretty repetitive stuff which doesn't bother me at all. On the other hand, it drives my wife nuts. It might not be ideal for everyone, I am sure I could make it better, but it is for sure better than what 80% of people do!

[tonytiger55]

Hey what do you guys do for lunches ?!

Suppers seem to be okay to make but I’m having trouble with lunches. Currently I’m on wraps: wrap, cheese, lettuce tomato, onion and then a protein ( chicken or tuna ) so what do I replace those with?!

Im usually eating some Dhaal (Lentils) with rice. A vegetable stirfry, or salmon with vegetables (or do a sneaky run to Freshii). Some grape tomatoes on the side sometimes.

I find I don’t eat as much.
Im eating a lot more fruit like apples, grapes and oranges.

Do any of you guys get cramps? Im starting to get lower back pain due to muscles tightening on occasion, im wondering if it’s a mineral deficiency.

[riander5]

Good job! Is it addressing your issues/sickness?

Stopped eating meat(including fish) three years ago and the health benefits are insane. I maintain the same weight that I do when I am marathon training and only get out for jogs here and there. I come from a meat eating family (not a hippy haha) and my friends make a point to bug me at every opportunity. I still do eat some dairy as in I wont not eat something because it contains eggs or milk. That being said I wouldn't make eggs for breakfast and drink a glass of milk. I am on the fence with wheat, yes I would likely benefit from dropping it but you have to have some vice and I think meat is 100%worse than wheat.

Honestly the hardest thing on your list to kick (and keep with) will be sugar. I go in spits and spurts of how regimented I am but when I am following the no refined sugar strictly I drop weight instantly. The first week is a nightmare. Then I feel fine.

Since my change, my brother who was a avid BBQ'er has sold off all his BBQing and smoking gear and done the same. Another OG beyonder who no longer posts has also followed suit and lost weight and is maintaining it without even trying.

Including myself these are all people who you would never expect be vegetarians (ish)

You cut out ONLY meat and then felt great? Thats odd, i've never heard of anyone doing that.

I agree we need much less meat. I try to stick to organic chickens and wild fish when I buy my own meat. That being said people cutting out meat and ingesting grains (any and all) and possibly dairy boggle my mind.

[msommers]

GF and I have done the LowFOD Map diet restriction and now introducing known irritants back in the diet. It's generally advised by GI specialists and has been pretty enlightening of what a normal digestion should feel like vs. what I've known for most of my life.

Hate to be doucher about gluten-free but when it comes to pasta, breads etc I don't feel nearly as tired after eating or bloated.

Some pretty common things can subtly disagree with people: onions, garlic, apples, beans, for example.

[craigcd]

You cut out ONLY meat and then felt great? Thats odd, i've never heard of anyone doing that.

I agree we need much less meat. I try to stick to organic chickens and wild fish when I buy my own meat. That being said people cutting out meat and ingesting grains (any and all) and possibly dairy boggle my mind.

I wouldn't say I cut out only meat. I follow a plant based diet for the most part. That was the only change I had to make as I was generally eating healthy to begin with.

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Im usually eating some Dhaal (Lentils) with rice. A vegetable stirfry, or salmon with vegetables (or do a sneaky run to Freshii). Some grape tomatoes on the side sometimes.

I find I don’t eat as much.
Im eating a lot more fruit like apples, grapes and oranges.

Do any of you guys get cramps? Im starting to get lower back pain due to muscles tightening on occasion, im wondering if it’s a mineral deficiency.

Careful with Freshi- they use a lot of sugary sauces and their portion sizes are HUGE!

[riander5]

I wouldn't say I cut out only meat. I follow a plant based diet for the most part. That was the only change I had to make as I was generally eating healthy to begin with.

Fair enough. I think the whole vegan thing is overblown and what the health was a fucking abomination, but if its actually working for you, then good on ya

[Kloubek]

Sure, I'll share what I'm going through right now because it's related to this topic.

So, for about 2-3 years now I experience pretty bad stomach pain from time to time. Usually late at night or early morning, and it seems to originate from just under my rib cage on the LEFT side. (Yet when it is full on, it affects my entire stomach area)

It will come on like a stomach ache but once fully developed a few minutes later I end up doubled over sweating with an elevated heart rate and moaning on the ground. The very first "attack" was a 9/10 pain and subsequent attacks have been anywhere from 3-8 on the pain scale. The pain lasts for up to 45 minutes and then will subside about 80% in a matter of 20-30 seconds. Sometimes the pain comes in waves and sometimes it's one attack and it's over. When I get repeated attacks, my stomach feels like it is in knots for up to a day.

Then as of a few months ago, my stomach started feeling unsettled virtually ALL the time. It can audibly be heard growling constantly, and my bowl movements are all over the place from constipated to outright butt explosion. It feels similar to being super hungry, yet my appetite is pretty low much of the time. If I exert myself physically to any degree (even for a few seconds) I want to hurl, as do I if I bend over. (In fact, I have spontaneously thrown up under those exact circumstances)

I have gallstones, but the surgeon didn't believe my symptoms quite matched gallstone attacks because people generally feel the pain where their gallbladder is on the right side. Had my stomach scoped a couple of weeks ago and it looks perfect. So the doctors have no idea what is going on, the attacks continue to happen every couple of weeks, and the discomfort/unsettled stomach has been going on for about 5 months straight. Every day, every hour.

In desperation I've done research and tried to flush out any possible issue that had similar symptoms. I ended up finding that Crohns disease, Celiac Disease, lactose intolerance and stomach cancer all seem to contribute similar symptoms. (Is it strange that not one of these things were mentioned by any doctor I've seen thusfar?) I ruled out stomach cancer after the endoscopy, and the symptoms seemed to most closely match Celiac disease.

So around Wednesday of last week I started trying to cut gluten from my diet. I'm not going to lie - I fucking hate it. Not only is gluten in many foods, unless you have a degree it is really hard to know what foods might have a form of it hidden in their ingredient list. I am not sure if it was just placebo effect but I almost immediately started feeling better with the stomach only being slightly unsettled. That was until night before last after I ate a lebanese salad with donair beef. That beef is processed and might have grain fillers/binders in it. An hour later, my stomach was all over the place again and I was on the toilet for an hour. I really don't know if the donair meat is a problem or if I even have Celiac disease, but this condition certainly did flare up after I ate that.

I have been told that it may take like, a MONTH for me to feel better on a gluten-free diet, and that's only if I am more careful than I have been since trying this. I really ought to get a test done, but I've heard even those are hit and miss. The doctor that did the endoscopy also suggested I go on a paleo diet, but I refuse to do that while I am already trying to determine if I have Celiac disease or not.

So I'm not really contributing anything here, unfortunately except to say that I can relate to how difficult it is to even go to a gluten-free diet. This sucks. I want a donut. As a side note, I also limit my red meat due to gout so I'm really starting to get limited in what I eat. Which sucks, since I love food and have never had to watch anything until now.

[tonytiger55]

Sure, I'll share what I'm going through right now because it's related to this topic.

So, for about 2-3 years now I experience pretty bad stomach pain from time to time. Usually late at night or early morning, and it seems to originate from just under my rib cage on the LEFT side. (Yet when it is full on, it affects my entire stomach area)

It will come on like a stomach ache but once fully developed a few minutes later I end up doubled over sweating with an elevated heart rate and moaning on the ground. The very first "attack" was a 9/10 pain and subsequent attacks have been anywhere from 3-8 on the pain scale. The pain lasts for up to 45 minutes and then will subside about 80% in a matter of 20-30 seconds. Sometimes the pain comes in waves and sometimes it's one attack and it's over. When I get repeated attacks, my stomach feels like it is in knots for up to a day.

Then as of a few months ago, my stomach started feeling unsettled virtually ALL the time. It can audibly be heard growling constantly, and my bowl movements are all over the place from constipated to outright butt explosion. It feels similar to being super hungry, yet my appetite is pretty low much of the time. If I exert myself physically to any degree (even for a few seconds) I want to hurl, as do I if I bend over. (In fact, I have spontaneously thrown up under those exact circumstances)

I have gallstones, but the surgeon didn't believe my symptoms quite matched gallstone attacks because people generally feel the pain where their gallbladder is on the right side. Had my stomach scoped a couple of weeks ago and it looks perfect. So the doctors have no idea what is going on, the attacks continue to happen every couple of weeks, and the discomfort/unsettled stomach has been going on for about 5 months straight. Every day, every hour.

In desperation I've done research and tried to flush out any possible issue that had similar symptoms. I ended up finding that Crohns disease, Celiac Disease, lactose intolerance and stomach cancer all seem to contribute similar symptoms. (Is it strange that not one of these things were mentioned by any doctor I've seen thusfar?) I ruled out stomach cancer after the endoscopy, and the symptoms seemed to most closely match Celiac disease.

So around Wednesday of last week I started trying to cut gluten from my diet. I'm not going to lie - I fucking hate it. Not only is gluten in many foods, unless you have a degree it is really hard to know what foods might have a form of it hidden in their ingredient list. I am not sure if it was just placebo effect but I almost immediately started feeling better with the stomach only being slightly unsettled. That was until night before last after I ate a lebanese salad with donair beef. That beef is processed and might have grain fillers/binders in it. An hour later, my stomach was all over the place again and I was on the toilet for an hour. I really don't know if the donair meat is a problem or if I even have Celiac disease, but this condition certainly did flare up after I ate that.

I have been told that it may take like, a MONTH for me to feel better on a gluten-free diet, and that's only if I am more careful than I have been since trying this. I really ought to get a test done, but I've heard even those are hit and miss. The doctor that did the endoscopy also suggested I go on a paleo diet, but I refuse to do that while I am already trying to determine if I have Celiac disease or not.

So I'm not really contributing anything here, unfortunately except to say that I can relate to how difficult it is to even go to a gluten-free diet. This sucks. I want a donut. As a side note, I also limit my red meat due to gout so I'm really starting to get limited in what I eat. Which sucks, since I love food and have never had to watch anything until now.

Thanks for sharing. That was a interesting read.

I get something similar, stomach cramps, then the feeling of needing to go to the loo, my ass exploding when I get there. Then severe cramps, & then hot flashes. The pain in my stomach is so bad ive been close to blacking out or calling 911. Though there is no pattern and its happens rarely. I did a allergy test but nothing really came up.

Stick with it. Im on the third week. I could kill for a juicy burger and a nice toasted bun right now... Hunger binges are starting to come back BIG TIME, I had to get a coffee (black) to keep my focus at work today.

craigcd, I hear what your saying about Fresshii. I noticed the sugar too. The portion sizes are ok for me, im not getting enough calories un my day anyways. I guess it helps with me getting rid of the Summertime Nenshi look.

[Kloubek]

Thanks for sharing. That was a interesting read.

I get something similar, stomach cramps, then the feeling of needing to go to the loo, my ass exploding when I get there. Then severe cramps, & then hot flashes. The pain in my stomach is so bad ive been close to blacking out or calling 911. Though there is no pattern and its happens rarely. I did a allergy test but nothing really came up.

In a previous post you mentioned back pain. Is that the same pain you mention from the stomach? Where is it exactly.... Right side front, back, left side, high.... Low....? Does it appear connected to fatty food? Spicy food? Is the pain a bit after meals or all over the clock?

[tonytiger55]

Its Sacralic Joint/muscular. Its non related to the stomach.
Back muscles tighten up, lowerback locks up, mostly on left side. Left side/glute does not work as hard as right, thats the cause. I did yoga ages ago and it slowly addressed this. But because of this sickness, I cant do any activity.

But I noticed my the back tightness happening last week. Then decreases as muscle relaxed over few days. Happened again Monday. Im thinking electrolights/minerals deficiency as im figuring out what the fuck to eat half the time and body is adjusting to different foods (or lack of) coming in. I cant meal prep as much as im so sick. Last sunday I was so sick I could not get out of bed to make food.

[finboy]

Non-fatal heart attacks seem to be a thing in my family, I decided I’d rather not deal with that and get my diet under control about a month ago. Diet has never been an issue for me as I’ve always been a skinny guy, I thin the heaviest I’ve ever been is 155 at 5’9, but my grandpa was skinny and needed a quadruple bipass in his 60’s (lived to 91). Because I never looked overweight, and I’m a big fan of convenience, grabbing food on the go was always easiest, with fast food being the top choice.

Now that I’m in my 30’s, age is catching up to me, and small signs (flexibility is non existent, holding some weight around my waist), I’ve started to realize I’m no longer an invincible teenager. I started pulling things out on a week by week basis as cold turkey has failed in the last when life gets stressful and I don’t have time to plan.

First week was meat, with exceptions for special meals and going to people’s houses (I don’t want to be that guy, I have no dietary restrictions that aren’t my own choosing). I used to eat meat at almost every meal and skip breakfast so this was tough. Second week I was so happy I cut out candy and only drank water (I don’t drink much, but I LOVE energy drinks and candy). This was VERY hard, when I was bored at my desk all I could think of was running down to the convenient score to grab a red bull, I countered this with over the counter caffeine pills and am working myself off those by trying to get a better nights sleep and exercise. After the first two weeks it was way easier dropping things, donuts were week three, chips week four, etc.

Meal prep is a pain and my gf definitely wants me to help out with it more, so I will be trying to find some classes on cooking healthy. Luckily she is on boars with the new diet as she does have digestive problems. I could see this being a way bigger issue if those around you don’t want to change as well, cooking for one sucks. During the day I usually bring carrots and almonds, I sit at a desk all day so I don’t burn many calories, it’s easy to stave off hunger with these foods and plenty of water.

Things I have noticed, results were pretty surprising for getting more mid section definition without even working out much. I also started reading labels of “healthy” choices at Safeway, very depressing and makes you move towards raw ingredients. Because I’m not relying on convenience as much, there are dollar savings in making my own food, but you definitely pay more for convenient healthy meals if you can even find them downtown.

[riander5]

If you guys are feeling hunger pangs, experiment with bulletproof coffees. For me I can have one in the morning and dont get hungry until around 2pm. Ill only eat before then if I workout at lunch

[tonytiger55]

Non-fatal heart attacks seem to be a thing in my family, I decided I’d rather not deal with that and get my diet under control about a month ago. Diet has never been an issue for me as I’ve always been a skinny guy, I thin the heaviest I’ve ever been is 155 at 5’9, but my grandpa was skinny and needed a quadruple bipass in his 60’s (lived to 91). Because I never looked overweight, and I’m a big fan of convenience, grabbing food on the go was always easiest, with fast food being the top choice.

Now that I’m in my 30’s, age is catching up to me, and small signs (flexibility is non existent, holding some weight around my waist), I’ve started to realize I’m no longer an invincible teenager. I started pulling things out on a week by week basis as cold turkey has failed in the last when life gets stressful and I don’t have time to plan.

First week was meat, with exceptions for special meals and going to people’s houses (I don’t want to be that guy, I have no dietary restrictions that aren’t my own choosing). I used to eat meat at almost every meal and skip breakfast so this was tough. Second week I was so happy I cut out candy and only drank water (I don’t drink much, but I LOVE energy drinks and candy). This was VERY hard, when I was bored at my desk all I could think of was running down to the convenient score to grab a red bull, I countered this with over the counter caffeine pills and am working myself off those by trying to get a better nights sleep and exercise. After the first two weeks it was way easier dropping things, donuts were week three, chips week four, etc.

Meal prep is a pain and my gf definitely wants me to help out with it more, so I will be trying to find some classes on cooking healthy. Luckily she is on boars with the new diet as she does have digestive problems. I could see this being a way bigger issue if those around you don’t want to change as well, cooking for one sucks. During the day I usually bring carrots and almonds, I sit at a desk all day so I don’t burn many calories, it’s easy to stave off hunger with these foods and plenty of water.

Things I have noticed, results were pretty surprising for getting more mid section definition without even working out much. I also started reading labels of “healthy” choices at Safeway, very depressing and makes you move towards raw ingredients. Because I’m not relying on convenience as much, there are dollar savings in making my own food, but you definitely pay more for convenient healthy meals if you can even find them downtown.

Check out superstore. Some locations run cooking classes, I did mine at Heritage. Not so much participating.
I took one for Thai food (I fucking LOVE THAI FOOD). They have a chef cook in front of you. He went through each ingredients one by one and showed how to make the paste from scratch. The he calmly cooked three dishes, explaining the process with tasters.
What I liked was how calm he was through the whole process (when I first started cooking Asian food I looked like a fat man huffing around the kitchen.). I found it useful seeing how my favourite cuisine is made by a pro as it helped refine small details that i was getting wrong.

Just found the link.

http://www.pccookingschool.ca/LCLOnline/cookingSchool_home.jsp?province=AB&city=Calgary

[finboy]

Cheers, will look into that

[Kari_310]

I can't eat fried stuff, or wheat (bun) *sigh*..do you know if the Veggie burger at Burger King is flame grilled?
I coud kill for a whopper right now.. :cry:



Yes they are flame broiled and on a separate belt than the whoppers but on the same belt as the grilled chicken.

[Kari_310]

I have been told that it may take like, a MONTH for me to feel better on a gluten-free diet, and that's only if I am more careful than I have been since trying this. I really ought to get a test done, but I've heard even those are hit and miss. The doctor that did the endoscopy also suggested I go on a paleo diet, but I refuse to do that while I am already trying to determine if I have Celiac disease or not.

So I'm not really contributing anything here, unfortunately except to say that I can relate to how difficult it is to even go to a gluten-free diet. This sucks. I want a donut. As a side note, I also limit my red meat due to gout so I'm really starting to get limited in what I eat. Which sucks, since I love food and have never had to watch anything until now.

It took me 2 months to get the gluten out and 6 months to stop craving it every day/feeling endlessly hungry. Eating gluten free is a lot easier now a days since the ingredient list must list all common allergies clearly, wheat being one of them so no more guessing if "food coloring" has wheat in it or not.
Watch out for lactose and eggs once you go fully gluten free those are the 2 most common foods to give you trouble after (your body is finally healed from celiac and now absorbing them for the first time fully).
I still eat cheese with lactose pills and 1 egg at a time but all 3 have very similar symptoms.

As for lunch ideas, i stick strictly to leftover dinners (make dinner for a family of 4) or salads (prep work) or soups when i'm in a hurry.
Mexican and asian dishes are best for leftovers at lunch.

[bigbadboss101]

In general I think we now know we all need to eat more greens for the micro nutrients. Lot of greens, some fruits, good lean protein, fiber, etc etc. My wife is vegan, I am the opposite. I found myself eating a lot more veggies now and cutting down on gluten, processed meat and processed food.

Vegetarian is one thing, vegan is another. My wife is now doing a 20+ day juice fast. My opinion is that it might be good for a few days. Any longer we will be short of fiber, protein, and other nutrition. Plus any weight loss will be back on once back to eating normally, eg. bread, pasta.

[johnlennon]

Everyone I know who has cut out milk completely eventually can never have Ice cream / certain desserts / fancy starbucks drinks ..etc, etc. Or if they go to a restaurant and their meal tends to have more cream then they expected, they usually have to use the bathroom after they finish. I have cut down on dairy a ton but I will still have it every once and a while just so that I don't have the same symptoms as my friends.

[nzwasp]

What sort of things do you guys that have gone vegan eat as snacks when at home - I would not consider myself any of those things but we do tend to cook around 20% of our meals as vegan or vegetarian.

I love eating carrots and garlic flavored hummus and also been eating tonnes of those green onion pancakes from superstore lately.
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[Kloubek]

It took me 2 months to get the gluten out and 6 months to stop craving it every day/feeling endlessly hungry. Eating gluten free is a lot easier now a days since the ingredient list must list all common allergies clearly, wheat being one of them so no more guessing if "food coloring" has wheat in it or not.
Watch out for lactose and eggs once you go fully gluten free those are the 2 most common foods to give you trouble after (your body is finally healed from celiac and now absorbing them for the first time fully).
I still eat cheese with lactose pills and 1 egg at a time but all 3 have very similar symptoms.


Sorry - I don't understand this. Why would I need to watch out for dairy? Because my body wasn't fully absorbing them due to the celiac disease? (If that's what I actually have).

I have a lot of research to do....

[tonytiger55]

What sort of things do you guys that have gone vegan eat as snacks when at home - I would not consider myself any of those things but we do tend to cook around 20% of our meals as vegan or vegetarian.

I love eating carrots and garlic flavored hummus and also been eating tonnes of those green onion pancakes from superstore lately.
80345

I eat Kiwi''s.. :poosie:

No just kidding. Im still learning, right now its a been a shit ton of fruit, & pickles. Mostly grapes last two weeks.

[Kari_310]

Sorry - I don't understand this. Why would I need to watch out for dairy? Because my body wasn't fully absorbing them due to the celiac disease? (If that's what I actually have).

I have a lot of research to do....

Yup exactly, I didn't notice it until a while after going gfree but I still eat a bit of cheese to keep it in my system. Dairy is tricky, if you cut it completely out then there is no going back not even a little.

[Kloubek]

Interesting. Thanks - I had NO clue.

[Seth1968]

Interesting. Thanks - I had NO clue.


Like I said, eliminate dairy (the ingestion of bovine secretions), and we might have something to talk about.

[syscal]

I’m not one to judge or care much about this, but for the love of god don’t drink soy milk.

It can ruin you.

Soy Milk? or Soy? I've heard people not eating soy due to estrogen, but that's easily debunked so do you have other reasoning for your statement? Genuinely curious since I had a carton a month or so ago and really didn't mind it.

[J-hop]

Anyone know if they’ve figured out the exact cause of vegan jaundice?

A lot of vegans call it a “healthy glow” but in reality they look sickly and jaundice. I only know two real vegans and they both suffer from this. I’ve heard a lack of B12 absorption might be the cause as with the additional elimination of dairy they pretty much remove all major sources of B12. But vegans always find some way to claim this isn’t the issue and that in some alternate reality it’s what human skin is supposed to look like.

[nzwasp]

That must be why they highlight B12 in some vegan foods, we had a vegan girl stay with us at the weekend and two of the things we bought her to eat (one was nutritional yeast) said they were high in B12.

[Maxx Mazda]

How is red meat bad for you?

[syscal]

https://youtu.be/SavsJYXWgm8

[89coupe]

https://www.buzzworthy.com/science-proves-gluten-sensitivity-isnt-real-people-are-just-whiners/

[tonytiger55]

Ok so its been about 9/10 weeks since I started this.

It has not been easy, but I kinda got into the routine. (My god I miss eating cakes).
The meat cravings have really subsided.

My skin is a lot better. Drinking water actually quenches my thirst. Im also not as thirsty anymore. My energy levels are a lot more balanced, I don't feel tired anymore. Kinda hard to explain that.
Ive lost 17 pounds. Im 5'7, I was 183lb and now im roughly 166lb. My trousers (pants) are a lot looser.
My mood is a lot more flatter... but in a good way. I can think a lot more clearly, more analytically. I taste a lot more when eating things.

[Matty_10]

Been doing keto for about 3 months now and just started doing keto + IF and holy shit is it a world of difference to my health. Bro science says I am carbohydrate intolerant as anytime I eat a relatively high carb meal I bloat up, heartburn, IBS, headache and joint pain. Down 25 pounds.
Keto is pretty strict, so for some they can just get away with low carb 100g carb a day.
Also electrolytes, its what our bodies crave. I cook with half sodium half potassium shaker and take a magnesium pill before bed.

[lasimmon]

Been doing keto for about 3 months now and just started doing keto + IF and holy shit is it a world of difference to my health. Bro science says I am carbohydrate intolerant as anytime I eat a relatively high carb meal I bloat up, heartburn, IBS, headache and joint pain. Down 25 pounds.
Keto is pretty strict, so for some they can just get away with low carb 100g carb a day.
Also electrolytes, its what our bodies crave. I cook with half sodium half potassium shaker and take a magnesium pill before bed.

Been doing Keto for the last week and a bit. Been really good so far. Haven't been able to weigh myself yet since I started but I feel better.

That being said my actual favorite thing is the money I have saved by not buying lunches at work or drinking.

(Extremely small sample so far though haha)

[nzwasp]

My wife and I are thinking of changing our diet to more of a plant based diet in the next few weeks - we have a tonne of meat taking up our freezer that we need to burn through first though.

Mostly plant based because shes got wierd intolerance issues and ive got a disease that basically means I should be eating less meat and other stuff to reduce stomach acid.
I dont know if vegan and plant based are the same - most vegan people ive met are vegan because they dont want the animals to die.

[craigcd]

My wife and I are thinking of changing our diet to more of a plant based diet in the next few weeks - we have a tonne of meat taking up our freezer that we need to burn through first though.

Mostly plant based because shes got wierd intolerance issues and ive got a disease that basically means I should be eating less meat and other stuff to reduce stomach acid.
I dont know if vegan and plant based are the same - most vegan people ive met are vegan because they dont want the animals to die.

Lots of decent documentaries on NetFlix to help get you motivated. Start with Forks Over Knives then google the rest. Gets you off to a good start.

[bigbadboss101]

My wife is vegan because of health and skin issues. She started to eat eggs when she was pregnant with our 1st and do eat eggs now. Our almost 3 year old daughter eats a flexible diet. She likes veggies, eggs, and wonton! I eat whatever but I have been eating a lot more greens, and lot less processed foods.

Good to hear it's working for some of you.

[J-hop]

Lots of decent documentaries on NetFlix to help get you motivated. Start with Forks Over Knives then google the rest. Gets you off to a good start.

Be very careful what you take from Netflix docs. In fact be cautious of anything you take from someone who has a monetary stake in the game. Always fact check on google scholar. I’ve only seen one or two (related to vegan/veggie)like fat sick and nearly dead and they were wrought with bad science.

Like watching gasland, 90% of the material came from people that had not even cursory knowledge of drilling or fracc’ing hahaha

[craigcd]

Be very careful what you take from Netflix docs. In fact be cautious of anything you take from someone who has a monetary stake in the game. Always fact check on google scholar. I’ve only seen one or two (related to vegan/veggie)like fat sick and nearly dead and they were wrought with bad science.

Like watching gasland, 90% of the material came from people that had not even cursory knowledge of drilling or fracc’ing hahaha

I agree. I haven't actually watched the the docu you listed above (I have seen gasland). I wouldn't make my decision based on a documentary, but it might be a starting point to further research. Regardless of the scholarly information available at a certain point you need to make a decision on why you want to do it and justify your decision for doing so. For every article that shows health benefits there will be another showing negative health impacts.

[suntan]

Zzzz... Lost almost 60 lbs just counting calories. Ate whatever I wanted, just ate less.

Hey it's almost like the laws of thermodynamics are real.

[taemo]

Zzzz... Lost almost 60 lbs just counting calories. Ate whatever I wanted, just ate less.

Hey it's almost like the laws of thermodynamics are real.

Been doing IF 18/6 for 8 weeks now and have lost over 15lbs and 2" from my waste line.
I haven't change what I eat and don't count calories but because of the shorter eating window and shorter breaks between meals, I definitely eat less calories as well.

[NissanFanBoy]

Haven't watched any of those docs other than Food Inc, even then I only remember the scene of the chickens heads being smashed into the conveyor belt one by one. For me the decision to give up meat including seafood was an ethical one, I simply don't believe in killing animals for food I don't care how well they're treated. It's wrong. Especially in a time when we don't need to eat them to be healthy and in many cases, if done right, are actually better off not eating them. It all just make no sense to me, we don't eat dogs and cats for the same reasons vegans give and yet we scoff at people who choose not to eat cows or pigs?

I wouldn't go as far as to say that I'm a ripped 37 year old but my abs are still visible and this summer I hiked up Ha Ling Peak passing a ton of people and doing up past the tree line in flip flops, I did it first when I was 28 (a mainly meat eater, drinker, and body builder) and back then was gasping for air every five minutes. I know consider it an "easy" hike and can't wait to go back and do it as a jog/trail run, hopefully before I'm 40.

Not trying to brag, just trying to make a point that you can be every bit as strong as a non meat eater.

I eat a lot of eggs, tofu, spinach, veggies in general, had maybe less than 10 full drinks of alcohol in the last 8 years, I do smoke pot about 2 nights a week though which often leads to junk food eating... Working on that.

[Kloubek]

I eat a lot of eggs, tofu, spinach, veggies in general, had maybe less than 10 full drinks of alcohol in the last 8 years, I do smoke pot about 2 nights a week though which often leads to junk food eating... Working on that.

Absolutely you can cut those things out and still be healthy. It's a bit more difficult, but absolutely doable. Protein is the hardest, but if you are cool with eggs and such you'll be just fine. Full-out vegan is a challenge, but still possible. Most vegans I know tend to get sick all the time so I question how healthy of a lifestyle that truly is. It's just that animal products are usually the most loaded and easy to access with the good stuff.

To me, as long as an animal is treated well I'm fine with farm raising animals for food. I can appreciate the perspective of not wanting to kill another animal for your own well-being though, and even though we don't share that opinion I purposely conveniently "forget" where my meat comes from.

[tonytiger55]

I had a burger at the flames game last night. First time I had meat in 10 weeks. I felt so muuuurrgh after. I drank about a litre in water and was still thirsty.

I watched a documentary on youtube ten years ago. It had no commentary. It was called 'Our Daily Bread'. It just showed where out fruit, vegetables and meat comes from.. processed and sorted. Upon seeing that I cut down a lot of my meat consumption.

[riander5]

Did your burger have a white bread bun, and some nice deep fried fries? You seem to have this big belief built up that meat immediately makes you feel like shit... for 99% of people grains and gluten are short term and easily noticable effects.. meat is usually longer term.

On the other hand congrats on eating healthier overall, make sure you get your vitamin b12 supplements!

[tonytiger55]

Did your burger have a white bread bun, and some nice deep fried fries? You seem to have this big belief built up that meat immediately makes you feel like shit... for 99% of people grains and gluten are short term and easily noticable effects.. meat is usually longer term.

On the other hand congrats on eating healthier overall, make sure you get your vitamin b12 supplements!

Im a avid meat eater. I've eaten lamb, (minced lamb OMG OMG SO TASTY), chicken stir frys, steaks etc on their own. It gets harder as you get older. I've eaten vegetarian meals with my vegetarian friends and I have noticed I don't feel as bloated. My belief is built up on how I feel after eating meat. One does feel heavy after eating meat and poultry compared to eating plants. Each to their own I guess. Just depends on age and how much one pays attention to their body.

Our bodies are biologically set up for eating plants.

[J-hop]

Im a avid meat eater. I've eaten lamb, (minced lamb OMG OMG SO TASTY), chicken stir frys, steaks etc on their own. It gets harder as you get older. I've eaten vegetarian meals with my vegetarian friends and I have noticed I don't feel as bloated. My belief is built up on how I feel after eating meat. One does feel heavy after eating meat and poultry compared to eating plants. Each to their own I guess. Just depends on age and how much one pays attention to their body.

Our bodies are biologically set up for eating plants.

All about preparation. I saw you mentioned being extremely thirsty after your burger at the game. Undoubtedly absolutely nothing to do with the meat and rather the extreme sodium content.

Eat a bro diet (plain chicken breast, broccoli and rice) and you will never feel bloated or unusually thirsty.

I actually feel disgusting after eating veggie at nourish in Banff or the coup in Calgary. Nothing to do with the veggies but rather the amount of sauce on everything to make it taste delicious.

I notice this a lot in people that go gluten free. They claim to feel much better which to them means they were gluten intolerant. In reality they ate so shitty before that their gut flora was over stressed and they were having problems. They go gluten free and by default cut a ton of crap out and feel better. Not saying they shouldn’t do that but they draw unfounded conclusions.

Edit: and yea the claim that we can eat only veggies is fine. But suggesting we evolved to only eat veggies is factually incorrect

[tonytiger55]

All about preparation. I saw you mentioned being extremely thirsty after your burger at the game. Undoubtedly absolutely nothing to do with the meat and rather the extreme sodium content.

Eat a bro diet (plain chicken breast, broccoli and rice) and you will never feel bloated or unusually thirsty.

I actually feel disgusting after eating veggie at nourish in Banff or the coup in Calgary. Nothing to do with the veggies but rather the amount of sauce on everything to make it taste delicious.

I notice this a lot in people that go gluten free. They claim to feel much better which to them means they were gluten intolerant. In reality they ate so shitty before that their gut flora was over stressed and they were having problems. They go gluten free and by default cut a ton of crap out and feel better. Not saying they shouldn’t do that but they draw unfounded conclusions.

Edit: and yea the claim that we can eat only veggies is fine. But suggesting we evolved to only eat veggies is factually incorrect

I agree the thirst is related to is sodium content.

What did you eat in Baniff? (and who the hell goes to Banff to eat veggie, ;))

You are right, it does depend on the prep, but thats more to do with taste. I disagree on the chicken, veggi and rice. Your talking about flavour. I have eaten that vs a vegetable dish. That's why I say each to their own, meat and poultry sits heavy on me. But personally I call bullshit on it feeling the same vs veggies. No way eating minced lamb/chicken is going to sit the same on the stomach vs eating stir fried pan Asian vegetable dish.
My vegetarian reference is to do with Indian food and pan Asian food. The coup is fucking tastless, I would not even put that on as a comparison for veggies vs meat argument. Coup is good for checking out the hot chicks that are going through the vegan, ugg boot and yuppi dog phase of their life.

The gluten is a interesting debate, I know people who ate well before giving it up. For me its been calories and how it flows through my gut and out of my ass. Im still on the fence regards to gluten free.

I never claimed we can eat only veggies. My claim was we are set up for it but I retract my above statement, as what I was thinking and what I wrote were two separate things. My claim was we are set up for eating plants as my thinking was pointing towards science and biological aspect of it in terms of the intestines. But yes, you are right.. we are Omnivores.

As for the B12 supplements, I dont need to take any. I eat fish....:poosie:

[J-hop]

I agree the thirst is related to is sodium content.

What did you eat in Baniff? (and who the hell goes to Banff to eat veggie, ;))

You are right, it does depend on the prep, but thats more to do with taste. I disagree on the chicken, veggi and rice. Your talking about flavour. I have eaten that vs a vegetable dish. That's why I say each to their own, meat and poultry sits heavy on me. But personally I call bullshit on it feeling the same vs veggies. No way eating minced lamb/chicken is going to sit the same on the stomach vs eating stir fried pan Asian vegetable dish.
My vegetarian reference is to do with Indian food and pan Asian food. The coup is fucking tastless, I would not even put that on as a comparison for veggies vs meat argument. Coup is good for checking out the hot chicks that are going through the vegan, ugg boot and yuppi dog phase of their life.

The gluten is a interesting debate, I know people who ate well before giving it up. For me its been calories and how it flows through my gut and out of my ass. Im still on the fence regards to gluten free.

I never claimed we can eat only veggies. My claim was we are set up for it but I retract my above statement, as what I was thinking and what I wrote were two separate things. My claim was we are set up for eating plants as my thinking was pointing towards science and biological aspect of it in terms of the intestines. But yes, you are right.. we are Omnivores.

As for the B12 supplements, I dont need to take any. I eat fish....:poosie:

Man if you haven’t eaten at nourish in Banff you have to check it out. Phenomenal veggie food.

And always eat veggie in Banff, the local wildlife is generally pretty beat up and disease ridden :p

[bigbadboss101]

How is everyone doing with this now? I have been doing a lot of reading and also following vegan groups on FB. There are some buff and strong vegan peeps! Tom Brady supposedly is mostly plant based. Liam Hemsworth is vegan and tried to talk his brother into being a vegan.
Since end of February I have pretty much cut out sugar, pastries, wheat, gluten, dairy. Also drastically reduced meat and caffeine consumption. My wife said my skin complexion is better. I guess my concern like many would be the amount of protein consumed. Range has been around 60 to 100g depending on what I eat. If I don't eat meat then the 100 is hard to get unless I down some protein shakes. The 'meat" society say we need 1g of protein per lb of body weight. The vegetarian world say 1g per kg of lbm.

Will keep going and see how energy, health, skin and other aspect improve.

[nzwasp]

We eat 2 or so vegan meals a week on average. And im tracking my calories with myfitnesspal now too, trying to slim down to 200 or so from 235 (currently) although one thing Im finding from actively tracking and actively eating better is im really gassy, and I imagine this is from eating more fiber.

[NissanFanBoy]

We eat 2 or so vegan meals a week on average. And im tracking my calories with myfitnesspal now too, trying to slim down to 200 or so from 235 (currently) although one thing Im finding from actively tracking and actively eating better is im really gassy, and I imagine this is from eating more fiber.

What kind of fibre you getting? I think it depends...

Also I highly recommend searching online for recipes... Me and my wife have been vegan since Jan 1, she is baking and cooking lots of tasty food including vegan chocolate cupcakes...

I've found after going vegan that I now turn down donuts and most chocolate and pastries, ice cream, cake, etc.

When spring rolls and I'll be getting back into bodybuilding and loading up on beans and tofu and what not for protein.

Lots of online content for proof that you don't need meat to be strong and healthy and when articles on NFL players reaping benefits.

[KRyn]

We eat 2 or so vegan meals a week on average. And im tracking my calories with myfitnesspal now too, trying to slim down to 200 or so from 235 (currently) although one thing Im finding from actively tracking and actively eating better is im really gassy, and I imagine this is from eating more fiber.

Google "low fodmap foods", you can thank me later.




I'll be getting back into bodybuilding

When is your next show?

[msommers]

And always eat veggie in Banff, the local wildlife is generally pretty beat up and disease ridden :p

Animals or Aussies?

[J-hop]

What kind of fibre you getting? I think it depends...

Also I highly recommend searching online for recipes... Me and my wife have been vegan since Jan 1, she is baking and cooking lots of tasty food including vegan chocolate cupcakes...

I've found after going vegan that I now turn down donuts and most chocolate and pastries, ice cream, cake, etc.

When spring rolls and I'll be getting back into bodybuilding and loading up on beans and tofu and what not for protein.

Lots of online content for proof that you don't need meat to be strong and healthy and when articles on NFL players reaping benefits.

Not to burst your bubble but you shouldn’t be using any pro athletes as examples. They are all undoubtedly on gear, even uni level football players are hitting the gear.

What you can do as an enhanced athlete does not translate a single bit to natural athletes.

This isn’t a bash on veganism just don’t look to people like that for any useful information.

[NissanFanBoy]

Not to burst your bubble but you shouldn’t be using any pro athletes as examples. They are all undoubtedly on gear, even uni level football players are hitting the gear.

What you can do as an enhanced athlete does not translate a single bit to natural athletes.

This isn’t a bash on veganism just don’t look to people like that for any useful information.

Wow, that's like saying every single Russian athlete cheats.

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Google "low fodmap foods", you can thank me later.



When is your next show?

Haha Natural Bodybuilding competition, Masters division, Small Town, USA

[vengie]

Not to burst your bubble but you shouldn’t be using any pro athletes as examples. They are all undoubtedly on gear, even uni level football players are hitting the gear.

What you can do as an enhanced athlete does not translate a single bit to natural athletes.

This isn’t a bash on veganism just don’t look to people like that for any useful information.

Lol, yeah... alright.

[J-hop]

Guys, pro sports are plagued with gear use. A naturally average player on gear will blow the doors off a naturally exceptional player off gear. As a result even the naturally gifted athletes have to get on gear to keep up.

Look at how Lance went in a couple years from a sub average (for the tour) rider to the top of the pack. Meanwhile the public thought he was clean and he evaded all testing no problem even though he was doing copious amounts of drugs. Look at Serena Williams, in a sport where drugs wouldn’t give you as much of an uplift she just happened to mistake a USADA agent coming to take a sample as a threat and hid in her panic room and called the police. Look at how long people thought Arnold Schwarzenegger was clean.

And yes in russia while not every single athlete is on gear their is no doubt they were running/are still running a state sponsored drug program. Even the ex head of the testing lab for Sochi who fled to the US has confirmed this and explained how they achieved this. Also look at russia’s Medal count in sochi at 33 before disqualifications it was the highest winter Olympic medal count they’ve ever had by far.

Not trying to make this a gear debate, just be very careful who you use for advice. Like Nissan for example you would never even think of using Phil heath for natural bodybuilding advice, you can agree that would be silly

[msommers]

Nissan, if you’re feeling better and still getting gains to boot, keep doing what you’re doing because it’s working for you.

The End.

[roll_over]

Not trying to make this a gear debate, just be very careful who you use for advice. Like Nissan for example you would never even think of using Phil heath for natural bodybuilding advice, you can agree that would be silly

Also, there is no such thing as a truly ‘natural’ competition. Everyone still runs gear, it’s just a different body type. I can’t even think of a truly natural body builder that would qualify for a natural show, let alone actually be able to make it to the stage.

[vengie]

Also, there is no such thing as a truly ‘natural’ competition. Everyone still runs gear, it’s just a different body type. I can’t even think of a truly natural body builder that would qualify for a natural show, let alone actually be able to make it to the stage.

Statements like this show your ignorance...

I have two family members who compete naturally, one is a double pro card holder, the other placed second in a masters class.

The double card holder is a trainer and has helped numerous others reach the stage/ place as well naturally, nutrition and proper training my friend.

I don’t claim to be an expert, but I am very familiar with the world of NATURAL body building.

[scboss]

Statements like this show your ignorance...

I have two family members who compete naturally, one is a double pro card holder, the other placed second in a masters class.

The double card holder is a trainer and has helped numerous others reach the stage/ place as well naturally, nutrition and proper training my friend.

I don’t claim to be an expert, but I am very familiar with the world of NATURAL body building.


Im gonna have to agree here. I train 2 people that have got pro cards and 1 that has a high potential to get one at the next INBF show. All 3 of them look better then most guys in the sauce leagues because they hit stage weight 2-3 weeks out and dont have to water cut because nutrition is on point.

On a side note I have no clue how I would hit my protein numbers as a vegan without supplementing hard. Any of you guys hitting 200+ for prot?

[NissanFanBoy]

I should probably clarify that when I say I'm getting back in to bodybuilding I mean I'm hitting the weights and building back some muscle to look somewhat muscular...I have no interest in looking like Arnold nor am I actually going to enter competitions haha

[tonytiger55]

How is everyone doing with this now? I have been doing a lot of reading and also following vegan groups on FB. There are some buff and strong vegan peeps! Tom Brady supposedly is mostly plant based. Liam Hemsworth is vegan and tried to talk his brother into being a vegan.
Since end of February I have pretty much cut out sugar, pastries, wheat, gluten, dairy. Also drastically reduced meat and caffeine consumption. My wife said my skin complexion is better. I guess my concern like many would be the amount of protein consumed. Range has been around 60 to 100g depending on what I eat. If I don't eat meat then the 100 is hard to get unless I down some protein shakes. The 'meat" society say we need 1g of protein per lb of body weight. The vegetarian world say 1g per kg of lbm.

Will keep going and see how energy, health, skin and other aspect improve.

I stopped this from January this year.

The vegan thing was a interesting experiment. Personally im not sure I could keep it up. As a single guy on a low income. It costs a lot to eat healthy, it sounds really stupid writing that. I struggled with it at times.

But it was a great exercise to see what works with your body and how it reacts. I found I was losing too many minerals and as others have said the issue of B12.

I was in SE Asia from March to beginning of May. My eating habits changed a lot there. I ate once or maybe twice a day. I ate a lot of soups, pho and ramen type dishes.
I lost a shit ton of body fat. I lost so much weight my old shorts did not fit me. I bought another pair there and after a while they stopped fitting me too.
The hard part I found when travelling there was eating enough protein. They don't give you much.

I noticed when I eat here in Canada, the portions are too big. The meat size is double and taste is a bit whacky.
Im changing my habit to eating once or twice a day. Since I got laid off I just can't afford to eat much anyway.
Im cutting down the sugars, carbs, snacking, excess wheat/gluten, less red meat as before. My portion sizes have come down.

Though I will see how it goes as I ramp this up over the summer.

[bigbadboss101]

Sorry to hear of the layoff. What sector/area of expertise are you in? Lot of that still happening to coincide with hiring.

Yes I am not sure if the vegan lifestyle is sustainable. I can see it if one does it for humane reason. For nutrition balance, cost I don't know. Plus so many yummy food out there!

[ExtraSlow]

One thing that's both healthy and cheap is cutting down on snacking and buying drinks. Pop, fancy coffee and other purchased drinks add no nutrition and can add a lot to the cost of a meal or a trip to the grocery store.

Cutting alcoholic drinks even more so, but I haven't taken that step.

[tonytiger55]

Sorry to hear of the layoff. What sector/area of expertise are you in? Lot of that still happening to coincide with hiring.

Yes I am not sure if the vegan lifestyle is sustainable. I can see it if one does it for humane reason. For nutrition balance, cost I don't know. Plus so many yummy food out there!

I was in databases/marketing in the grocery segment. There was layoffs a couple of years ago and I lost my job. I managed get a entry level job on the other side of the company just to get some sort of income coming in as I had just bought a place. Last March there was massive layoffs. Unfortunately I was in that avalanche.
Im looking to move completely into a different industry. Insurance perhaps, so will see how that goes.

If I lived back in the UK, I don't think I would have too much of a problem in eating a more pescetarian/ vegetarianish diet. Easy access to vegetables (and variety) from cornershops and the cost of food is lower.

[nzwasp]

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My wife has recently been diagnosed with some arthritis type disease in her Jaw joint and also been getting alot of inflammation in her joints as well as a tonne of other inflammatory markers in her body, always bloats after eating basically anything, stomach cramps all the time, frequent diarrhea (infact she used to think diarrhea every couple of days was normal) she also suffers from really bad fatigue. Everything at the doctor seems to come up normal though. We looked at perhaps seeing a Functional Doctor although now have discovered that is $$$$$ (tests alone are up to $10,000). So she wants to do the AIP (autoimmune protocol) diet which is basically a restrictive paleo diet. Im onboard as I would like to try lowfodmap/paleo anyway. I think biggest change for me would be no alcohol/no sugar. Regardless we start next week, preparing for it this weekend.

[Darkane]

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My wife has recently been diagnosed with some arthritis type disease in her Jaw joint and also been getting alot of inflammation in her joints as well as a tonne of other inflammatory markers in her body, always bloats after eating basically anything, stomach cramps all the time, frequent diarrhea (infact she used to think diarrhea every couple of days was normal) she also suffers from really bad fatigue. Everything at the doctor seems to come up normal though. We looked at perhaps seeing a Functional Doctor although now have discovered that is $$$$$ (tests alone are up to $10,000). So she wants to do the AIP (autoimmune protocol) diet which is basically a restrictive paleo diet. Im onboard as I would like to try lowfodmap/paleo anyway. I think biggest change for me would be no alcohol/no sugar. Regardless we start next week, preparing for it this weekend.

Good luck.

The brofessors in the bodybuilding world call it an elimination diet.

Do one ingredient meals at a time to see what affects you.

Eg: breakfast 5 eggs, nothing else. Tomorrow just oats
Lunch chicken breast, tomorrow chicken breast and carrots
Dinner salmon, tomorrow salmon and broccoli.

Keep going like that until You get a list of foods that work. Then you can mix and match more.

Keep meals 5-6 hours apart. If you don’t and say have a snack of raisins 2 hours after lunch, you don’t know which food affected you.

First three-four days will be hard, gets easier as more food is available.

Edit: NO SPICES or condiments. Those are ingredients, add them in one at a time to foods that work.

[msommers]

Thread Bump:

My wife has recently been diagnosed with some arthritis type disease in her Jaw joint and also been getting alot of inflammation in her joints as well as a tonne of other inflammatory markers in her body, always bloats after eating basically anything, stomach cramps all the time, frequent diarrhea (infact she used to think diarrhea every couple of days was normal) she also suffers from really bad fatigue. Everything at the doctor seems to come up normal though. We looked at perhaps seeing a Functional Doctor although now have discovered that is $$$$$ (tests alone are up to $10,000). So she wants to do the AIP (autoimmune protocol) diet which is basically a restrictive paleo diet. Im onboard as I would like to try lowfodmap/paleo anyway. I think biggest change for me would be no alcohol/no sugar. Regardless we start next week, preparing for it this weekend.

A friend of ours was recently diagnosed with MS and her diet has played a huge part in inflammation control, in addition, to properly managing stress levels as this greatly affects her flare-ups. Her diet includes very little sugar, no gluten, no lactose.

The local support of Low-FODMAP is in short, abysmal. My wife has done this herself and is in the works of making up her own website (https://littlemissvegetable.com/); if you want her meal plan for a week just let me know and I'll send it for free, or just to chat she has lots of science-based info to share with your wife. Additionally, this app is critical for checking and maintaining Low-FODMAP (https://www.monashfodmap.com/ibs-central/i-have-ibs/get-the-app/) for various foods. Low-FODMAP was originally developed at the Monash University in Australia, and frankly has very little support or guidance here. It's often applied to IBS/IBD patients but has helped my wife and my friend with MS, so I think it's worth trying.

There are some naturopaths in the city that might be worth considering, I can refer you if you want because there are some nutjobs. The financial part of this is naturopaths are typically only partly covered by insurance and will require testing of varying degrees from 3rd party companies. These types of tests are either never done by AHS at all and/or not covered and therefore can become costly (not anywhere close to $10,000 though).

Gut stuff is very interesting but immensely complex. There are local studies she can become a part of if she is willing to contribute in that manner at the UofC (http://imaginespor.com/imagine-spor-2/). Microbiome composition, influence and factors, brain-gut connections are cutting-edge science right now.

Feel free to PM me if you'd like.

[roopi]

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My wife has recently been diagnosed with some arthritis type disease in her Jaw joint and also been getting alot of inflammation in her joints as well as a tonne of other inflammatory markers in her body, always bloats after eating basically anything, stomach cramps all the time, frequent diarrhea (infact she used to think diarrhea every couple of days was normal) she also suffers from really bad fatigue. Everything at the doctor seems to come up normal though. We looked at perhaps seeing a Functional Doctor although now have discovered that is $$$$$ (tests alone are up to $10,000). So she wants to do the AIP (autoimmune protocol) diet which is basically a restrictive paleo diet. Im onboard as I would like to try lowfodmap/paleo anyway. I think biggest change for me would be no alcohol/no sugar. Regardless we start next week, preparing for it this weekend.

My wife has gone through inflammation. They are trying the FODMAP route right now. She has definitely noticed a difference with some foods.

[spike98]

Her diet includes very little sugar, no gluten, no lactose.

My wife has ankylosing spondylitis which is more or less rheumatoid arthritis of the spine. She went this route and it has help immensely. All of the autoimmune diseases will benefit from reducing inflammatory foods. She does however offer hear a cheat once a week. Be it a beer or some candy. It makes her stomach upset but its worth it for her sanity (so she says).

[nzwasp]

Im mostly doing the AIP diet to support my wife who is doing it, not for myself. I have some issues with flatulence due to eating dairy but regarding the AIP diet - 3 days in since starting, no sugar and no caffeine has me tired and hungry all the time.
Also I could lose about 40 lbs.

[nzwasp]

Been on AIP for 7 weeks now - I would say I'm about 90% compliant. My wife is 100% compliant. We have so far added back in: Eggs, White Rice, and Coffee. As I suspected I've had no problems with any of the additions. My wife discovered that she gets an upset stomach, diarrhea, cramps if she drinks coffee so she's decided not to drink that.

I've lost about 15lbs so far. Down from 246 to 231 still pretty big for my 6'1 frame. About 6 weeks ago we decided that we would work out every day as well and we have a rotation of:

Cardio, and Core
Strength, and Core
Pilates and Yoga.

About 3 weeks ago we added in a 10 min stretch class to every day and I'm proud to say that I can finally touch my toes with straight legs for the first time since I was 15.