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Pekmez
03-24-2004, 07:16 PM
If you had the mula to buy either , which one would you buy and why?

MK3HKS
03-24-2004, 07:20 PM
enzo!!!!!


mclaren f1 is too old, its was COOL back in the day for its record breaking speed of 398km/hr

i'd take the enzo because of newer technologly put into it and because of the name Ferrari:D

Konj
03-24-2004, 07:22 PM
sorry its 381km/h

Konj
03-24-2004, 07:26 PM
Mclaren has only 2 things better then enzo and that is a better 0-60 acceleration and the fact that it has a stereo ah thats about it and maybe the 3rd seat but if its so cool and popular why dont other supercars follow its path oh cause it sucks sorry


koji si ti mazlum smoto jedan nema veze bolji je enzo

Stratus_Power
03-24-2004, 07:26 PM
neither. i want a Zonda

GT3
03-24-2004, 07:28 PM
Mclaren f1

iceburns288
03-24-2004, 07:36 PM
Zonda sucks, Enzo wins... by far. Ferrari has the pedigree and racing history neither of the other two have. Actually, no one has a racing history like Ferrari... that's why it's the best. :thumbsup:

MM99lude
03-24-2004, 09:26 PM
enzo!! just so pimped... plus its a ferrari!

1badPT
03-24-2004, 09:29 PM
Enzo.

But as long as we are dreaming here, I want the ME-4-12 :D (Chrysler Supercar :thumbsup: )

mo_virgin
03-24-2004, 09:36 PM
I don't know.... i am much more a lambo fan than ferrari's

/////AMG
03-24-2004, 09:45 PM
I'm with mo_virgin

But if I had to choose. I'd say the McLaren.

dj_honda
03-24-2004, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Konj
...fact that it has a stereo ah thats about it...

if i had an enzo the last thing i would listen to is the stereo

ZorroAMG
03-24-2004, 11:35 PM
I'm with 1Badpt...ME four twelve!!

crazydriver
03-24-2004, 11:40 PM
ya i'm a lambo fan 2, but if i'm faced with those 2 choices.... i might get the Enzo... and for the crappy stero.. well who cares, i rather listen to the engine instead....

962 kid
03-24-2004, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by iceburns288
Zonda sucks, Enzo wins... by far. Ferrari has the pedigree and racing history neither of the other two have. Actually, no one has a racing history like Ferrari... that's why it's the best. :thumbsup:


WHAT!!!! zonda owns the enzo man, and ferrari hasnt won le mans since the GT-40!!

Team_Mclaren
03-25-2004, 12:03 AM
my name says it all!:D

noth like seatin in the middle like a true F1 car!

Wildcat
03-25-2004, 12:55 AM
f that, the koenigsegg gets my vote :D :thumbsup:

Impreza
03-25-2004, 01:19 AM
saleen s7! or zonda...but i would take an enzo too..hmm tough choices! i will take all 3

RiCE-DaDDy
03-25-2004, 01:52 AM
i get all of them, one for each of my girlfriends :bigpimp:

mo_virgin
03-25-2004, 06:32 AM
Check it out... its the "new enzo"

THe 2005 maserati MC12
Same enzo powerplant

http://www.maseratinet.com/IMAGES/MC12_geneva.jpg

http://www.maseratinet.com/IMAGES/MC12_34_front_closed2.jpg

Looks better in black don't you think?

http://www.maseratinet.com/IMAGES/mc12_04_G.jpg

C4S
03-25-2004, 12:11 PM
Mclaren f1 .... I think that is more "rare" ...

of course .. hard choice .. both super car ..both super fast .. one from the 90's one from the 00's ... :thumbsup:

QuasarCav
03-25-2004, 12:18 PM
I'd go with the enzo, that engine is all the radio you need.

As for cost. what was the asking price for both????

not the price to buy one now but what ferrari was selling them for?

C4S
03-25-2004, 12:52 PM
I think Enzo is around $650K us ( suppose)

and the F 1 was $1.1 M us 10 yrs ago .. :eek: :eek:

Hakkola
03-25-2004, 12:59 PM
Anybody see the topgear with the Zonda? Doesn't it hold the track record? Or did the koenigsegg take it??

I'd take both of them over the Enzo, I'm not a big fan of it, I love ferrari's, but the Enzo is actually my least favorite even though it has the best performance. I'm not a fan of it. I'd actually prefer an SLR over the Enzo as well.

VWhooligan
03-25-2004, 01:13 PM
i'd take koenigsegg without a doubt.

DJ Lazy
03-25-2004, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by VWhooligan
i'd take koenigsegg without a doubt.




:werd: Koenigsegg OWNZ JOO!!!..

So Pimp... the enzo is to.. square... boxy... sweet performance.. not the best looking... I love a smooth car.. not sharp edges...

The for me:
1. Koenigsegg
2. Pagani Zonda
3. Macleran F1 (or just a REAL F1.... :D )

Wildcat
03-25-2004, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by Hakkola
Anybody see the topgear with the Zonda? Doesn't it hold the track record? Or did the koenigsegg take it??

I'd take both of them over the Enzo, I'm not a big fan of it, I love ferrari's, but the Enzo is actually my least favorite even though it has the best performance. I'm not a fan of it. I'd actually prefer an SLR over the Enzo as well.

koenigsegg has the fastest acceleration and top speed i beleive :burnout:

edit: and who was it that said koenigsegg in the first place? ya thats right, it was ME! :D

Gondi Stylez
03-25-2004, 01:44 PM
if i had a choice it would be

enzo then the koenigsegg!! but that new mc12!! :eek: now trhat in black!! sexy sexy!! o wait! how bout all 3!! :bigpimp:

mcshow
03-25-2004, 01:49 PM
Definately the enzo, because ferrari is such a huge status symbol. Plus you know the car must be freakin amazing since you have to already own 2 other rare ferrari's to even be considered to buy an enzo.

Car and Driver puts it best: "If this car isn't your dream car, then we think you have the wrong dream"

hyperwhite
03-25-2004, 02:08 PM
this pic say it all :drool:

syeve
03-25-2004, 02:47 PM
just a few more...this car is bad ass
http://www.koenigsegg.com/graphics/imagearchive/49_640.jpg http://www.koenigsegg.com/graphics/imagearchive/25_640.jpg

:love:

GT2NV
03-25-2004, 04:46 PM
:hitit: damn... it gets my vote too

infamous
03-25-2004, 05:04 PM
okay, here's my reasoning....

mclaren: i didn't like it. in the us you could only have one seat (because of crash test ratings and such) and so you couldn't have anyone else with you. i don't enjoy the center driving position, because basically every other car out there is either left or right hand drive. you can't have both...lol

i don't know much about the konisegg, so i am not going to comment on that.....

now the :bigpimp: enzo: looks abosolutely wicked, performs awesome, and just the name alone gives it a lot of credit. you look at all the other ferrari cars ever made and put them all into a blender and the enzo is what comes out. hands down winner imo....

Konj
03-25-2004, 05:17 PM
WHAT!!!! zonda owns the enzo man, and ferrari hasnt won le mans since the GT-40!! [/QUOTE]

yeah but its been dominating in Formula 1... and btw they would be winning the Le Mans if they had enough money to keep on producing Ferrari F50 GT one of the best cars ever made by far.... but it was too much to operate.

Konj
03-25-2004, 05:22 PM
Koenigg and Zondas are both sweet cars but the problems are they are not Naturally inspired like the mclaren and enzo... both of them are turbo charged... Meaning if u take the turbos out they would have like what only 300-400 horsepower? as when u have a naturaly inspired 660 horsepower beast that u can supercharge/turbocharge it to make it even more powerfull...

Wildcat
03-25-2004, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by Konj
Koenigg and Zondas are both sweet cars but the problems are they are not Naturally inspired like the mclaren and enzo... both of them are turbo charged... Meaning if u take the turbos out they would have like what only 300-400 horsepower? as when u have a naturaly inspired 660 horsepower beast that u can supercharge/turbocharge it to make it even more powerfull...

koenigsegg is a supercharged V8 actually, the 2 models (CC8S and the CCR) both have highly different stats.

the CC8S (i suppose it can be called the base model :nut: ) has 655hp, with a 0-100km/hr time of 3.5 and topspeed of 390km/hr

as for the CCR (the orange car, featured above) well... its a beast. 806hp, 0-100km in 3.2 or less and a topspeed of 395+km/hr. hot dayammm

:werd:

iceburns288
03-25-2004, 06:26 PM
-if they had enough money-

I highly doubt this is one of Ferrari's concerns at the moment... ;)

calgarys13
03-25-2004, 06:51 PM
it goes liek this 4 me
clk-gtr-->me412-->koeniggsegg-->enzo-->mclaren f1

MK3HKS
03-25-2004, 06:52 PM
Originally posted by Konj
sorry its 381km/h


um.......ok der :rolleyes:


watch the video of the Mclaren F1 tested on the highway in germany, its 398km/h

962 kid
03-25-2004, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by Konj
Koenigg and Zondas are both sweet cars but the problems are they are not Naturally inspired like the mclaren and enzo... both of them are turbo charged... Meaning if u take the turbos out they would have like what only 300-400 horsepower? as when u have a naturaly inspired 660 horsepower beast that u can supercharge/turbocharge it to make it even more powerfull...

The zonda is a NA 7.3 litre

Konj
03-25-2004, 08:10 PM
no its 381 km/h i am sure i watched it convert 240.01 mph into km/h

Konj
03-25-2004, 08:14 PM
"The zonda is a NA 7.3 litre" - no sorry buddy Zonda uses a AMG engine meaning its supercharged because all AMG engines are supercharged. go read it at www.mercedes-benz.com

/////AMG
03-25-2004, 08:31 PM
I take my vote back

i want a CLK-GTR :thumbsup:

Hakkola
03-25-2004, 09:01 PM
Originally posted by Konj
Meaning if u take the turbos out they would have like what...
Why on earth would you take the turbos out?


Originally posted by 962 kid


The zonda is a NA 7.3 litre :D I believe this fellow to be correct, they use the old AMG engines bored out, not positive that it's NA but I think it is.

Hakkola
03-25-2004, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by Konj
"The zonda is a NA 7.3 litre" - no sorry buddy Zonda uses a AMG engine meaning its supercharged because all AMG engines are supercharged. go read it at www.mercedes-benz.com

Wrong, how about reading it before you tell someone else to read it, the newer 500hp engines are supercharged, but not all the AMG engines are. The G55 for example, not supercharged, neither is the CLK55, or the C55 (this year). It also doesn't say that the E55 is supercharged, although I believe it is.

Another piece of information to take note of is that the Zonda's AMG engine is more than 3 years old I believe, so it's not one of the newer supercharged engines.

calgarys13
03-25-2004, 10:10 PM
Originally posted by Porsche_944
I take my vote back

i want a CLK-GTR :thumbsup:


http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/jj.wijnstok/Mercedes%20clk%20gtr%20super%20sport-A.jpg

http://www.libero.co.kr/upload/tmc_psd/clk_gtr.jpg
SOFA KING FINE:drool: :drool: :bigpimp: :hitit: :hitit: :hitit:

afchack
03-25-2004, 10:23 PM
/\/\/\/\ OMG that car is ugly. it's like 20 feet too long

Konj
03-25-2004, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by Hakkola


Wrong, how about reading it before you tell someone else to read it, the newer 500hp engines are supercharged, but not all the AMG engines are. The G55 for example, not supercharged, neither is the CLK55, or the C55 (this year). It also doesn't say that the E55 is supercharged, although I believe it is.

Another piece of information to take note of is that the Zonda's AMG engine is more than 3 years old I believe, so it's not one of the newer supercharged engines.

no ur wrong its SUPERCHARGED trust me the best i could find is this http://www.mercedes-benz.com/omb/amg/en/company/manufaktur/motoren/montage.htm

in middle of the thingi t says supercharger is assembled if you dont believe me email customer help and find out :)

A2VR6
03-25-2004, 10:35 PM
I would take a VW Nardo over any of those but since it really isnt a production car, I would say Koenigsegg then Zonda.

Ducati
03-25-2004, 11:53 PM
"i rather listen to the engine instead...."

I am biased. I like Eye-tie cars....however.....Nothing wrong with a Mercedes Benz...

962 kid
03-25-2004, 11:59 PM
Originally posted by Konj


no ur wrong its SUPERCHARGED trust me the best i could find is this http://www.mercedes-benz.com/omb/amg/en/company/manufaktur/motoren/montage.htm

in middle of the thingi t says supercharger is assembled if you dont believe me email customer help and find out :)


no you are wrong, and ignorant to boot. Hakkola is right, those all have NA V8s and the zonda is a NA v12, which im pretty sure is a bored out S class engine from a w140, as hakkola said

zonda beats koenigsegg around a track :D

Hakkola
03-26-2004, 12:27 AM
Pagani Zonda C12-S 7.3
Configuration M120 AMG, 60 Degree, V12

At the center of the Zonda is a Mercedes-Benz, AMG V12. New for 2002 is the 7.3 liter unit found in the 1995 SL 7.3 AMG. This is one of the largest V12s ever used in a road-going car. With increased displacement, no additional horsepower is realized. What the increased displacement offers is more torque earlier in the rpm band.

To cope with the additional torque, the Zonda now equipped with traction control. This is a new feature of the 7.3.

When considering the Zonda, it is hard not to compare it to the Ferrari Enzo. Both cars have a carbon fiber monocoque with a mid ship, V12 driving the rear wheels. Easily, the Ferrari still has many advantages. It wins in shifting, braking, aerodynamics and handling. Remember, these are the most important aspects concerning a race car. Despite that, the Zonda wins based on price and build quality (especially in the carbon fiber department). Both exclusive cars sprint to 60 mph in roughly the same time so you 0-60 junkies can call the cars 'even'.



BOO-YAH!

Hakkola
03-26-2004, 12:43 AM
:drool:

Hakkola
03-26-2004, 12:43 AM
:thumbsup:

Hakkola
03-26-2004, 12:43 AM
:)

Hakkola
03-26-2004, 12:44 AM
:love: I've decided the Zonda is my favorite car.

Hakkola
03-26-2004, 12:47 AM
1 more, different rear.

mo_virgin
03-26-2004, 12:49 AM
Man exaust is awsome!!!

Hakkola
03-26-2004, 12:52 AM
Lambo's are pretty sweet as well.

MK3HKS
03-26-2004, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by Konj
yea MK3HKS is right, 398 km/h is the record time for the mclaren F1, i just dont know what iam talkin about...

:D

sorry man , i just dont feel like argueing because i saw the clip with my own eyes and how fast he was goin;)

Wildcat
03-26-2004, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by 962 kid
zonda beats koenigsegg around a track :D

i dunnnnnoooo.... ill have to believe it when i see it, the CCR if pretty nutty :nut:

962 kid
03-26-2004, 08:09 AM
Originally posted by Wildcat


i dunnnnnoooo.... ill have to believe it when i see it, the CCR if pretty nutty :nut:

well not the CCR, thats not even fair ;)

Konj
03-26-2004, 08:29 AM
let me repeat my self one more time AMG SUPERCHARGERS ENGINES. But its a 7.3L and only 550 horsepower so maybe its not supercharged > <. 7.3L and only 550 horsepower that skinda like a muscle car maybe AMG should stick to supercharing. Ill do some research on this.

and sorry i just redownloaded the mclaren top speed video this is what he says "390km/h 391km/h it wont go ever 391 km/h. 391km/h is quite fast is't it?"

Konj
03-26-2004, 08:31 AM
the interior of that zonda is fucking SICK.

962 kid
03-26-2004, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by Konj
let me repeat my self one more time AMG SUPERCHARGERS ENGINES they dont increase the discplacement without supercharing PERIOD..........................................

and sorry i just redownloaded the mclaren top speed video this is what he says &quot;390km/h 391km/h it wont go ever 391 km/h. 391km/h is quite fast is't it?&quot;

oh my god!! you idiot!! are you so stupid that you would completely ignore everything that has been said? Hakkola and I have not only figured out that the Pagani is NA, that AMG does make non-supercharged engines, he even figured out what engine the car is from. And yet you still sit there 'AMG dont make no unsupercharged engines, hyuck.' Why? Because some AMG site mentions superchargers. Great work numbnut.

Konj
03-26-2004, 08:42 AM
"Because some AMG site mentions superchargers. Great work numbnut." some AMG site? try official AMG site fukk face

Konj
03-26-2004, 08:43 AM
and yes i just realised that its not supercharged cause its a 7.3L with low horsepower...

962 kid
03-26-2004, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by Konj
and yes i just realised that its not supercharged cause its a 7.3L with low horsepower...

very good inspector gadget, this post not only proves were right, but contradicts ALL of your other posts


Originally posted by Konj
&quot;Because some AMG site mentions superchargers. Great work numbnut.&quot; some AMG site? try official AMG site fukk face


Originally posted by Konj
&quot;The zonda is a NA 7.3 litre&quot; - no sorry buddy Zonda uses a AMG engine meaning its supercharged because all AMG engines are supercharged. go read it at www.mercedes-benz.com


Originally posted by Konj


no ur wrong its SUPERCHARGED trust me the best i could find is this http://www.mercedes-benz.com/omb/amg/en/company/manufaktur/motoren/montage.htm

in middle of the thingi t says supercharger is assembled if you dont believe me email customer help and find out :)


Originally posted by Konj
let me repeat my self one more time AMG SUPERCHARGERS ENGINES. But its a 7.3L and only 550 horsepower so maybe its not supercharged &gt; &lt;. 7.3L and only 550 horsepower that skinda like a muscle car maybe AMG should stick to supercharing. Ill do some research on this.

You do your research, because you have no clue

A2VR6
03-27-2004, 11:28 AM
:thumbsup:
http://www.oricom.ca/vwklub/w12-2.jpg

Konj
03-27-2004, 11:54 AM
Originally posted by 962 kid


very good inspector gadget, this post not only proves were right, but contradicts ALL of your other posts









You do your research, because you have no clue

Jao STfu u fag fukking tough guy wtf u know if u where smart u would't think that zonda owns ferrari stupid dipshit.

and guess what u fag the zonda is supercharged you cockface i just got the email from AMG bitch so suck my dick jizz licker

962 kid
03-27-2004, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by Konj


Jao STfu u fag fukking tough guy wtf u know if u where smart u would't think that zonda owns ferrari stupid dipshit.

and guess what u fag the zonda is supercharged you cockface i just got the email from AMG bitch so suck my dick jizz licker

Um, I never said that zonda owns ferrari, especially considering that zonda is the car, not the company. As for your email, I bet that the people at AMG are laughing just as hard as I am. Great ernglishes by the way.

How old are you, you inbred moron

Wildcat
03-27-2004, 03:09 PM
Originally posted by Konj


Jao STfu u fag fukking tough guy wtf u know if u where smart u would't think that zonda owns ferrari stupid dipshit.

and guess what u fag the zonda is supercharged you cockface i just got the email from AMG bitch so suck my dick jizz licker

dood your a fucking idiot, 962 kid lays down the facts and so does Hakkola. you cant accept the fact that your wrong and have no idea what your talking about, so you go about personally attacking him? this post of yours makes you sound even more credible... get real kid. :rolleyes:

90_Shelby
03-27-2004, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by Konj
Koenigg and Zondas are both sweet cars but the problems are they are not Naturally inspired like the mclaren and enzo... both of them are turbo charged... Meaning if u take the turbos out they would have like what only 300-400 horsepower? as when u have a naturaly inspired 660 horsepower beast that u can supercharge/turbocharge it to make it even more powerfull...


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This is the stupidest post I've read in a long time.:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

calgarys13
03-27-2004, 03:32 PM
my question is whats a normally "inspired" car?????:rofl: :rofl:

Joe Malms
03-27-2004, 10:08 PM
the pagani zonda is NOT supercharged turdboy.
http://www.supercars.net/cars/2002@$Pagani@$Zonda%20C12-S%207.3g.html

D'z Nutz
03-27-2004, 10:13 PM
Thread closed. Too much arguing.